Sandra Dodd

This isn't about unschooling here for a minute, it's a side issue of
the list.

-=-maybe it would make a good set of posts for reference-=-

It's so hard to find old posts on this list, that's why I started
saving things. I save two for every one that ever gets onto a
webpage. I keep webpages of good posts because it's easier for
people to find them then than go through the list.

The Unschooling Discussion list moved to google.com so that people
can read through the archives better. Probably some-to-lots of you
are on that list as well as this one.

Those who aren't on that one can (if you're in the mood, have time,
care) look at what those archives look like, and how these look.
Maybe try searching for something in there, like something you
remember writing or reading.

And the question is... should we consider moving this list to
googlegroups?
If you want to write to me on the side my address is
Sandra@..., or you can write here, but try to keep it in
this subject line so people can ignore it if they don't care.

DEFINITELY I wouldn't just move the list. We had some problems doing
that. I'd probably set up a couple of easy ways to get there and let
each reader make the move or not.

If lots of people are comfortable here, we could just stay here.

A related question is...
Is there really any reason to have this list separate from
UnschoolingDiscussion? Originally, it was a list for people who did
want to be on a list with me, and who didn't mind moderation. Now
that one's more moderated than this one. But even though original
intents change, current realities might be comfortable enough that we
leave things as they are.

So...
Stay here/leave it alone?
Move?
Let this list go?

No one should feel obligated to vote or even to care. <g>
And if anyone's tired of this list and wishes they had better
beginning info, or a list for younger kids, check here:
http://sandradodd.com/lists/other
and
http://sandradodd.com/help

Sandra

dana_burdick

> And the question is... should we consider moving this list to
> googlegroups?
> If you want to write to me on the side my address is
> Sandra@..., or you can write here, but try to keep it in
> this subject line so people can ignore it if they don't care.

Would setting up a poll work for this?

-Dana

marji

At 18:18 4/12/2006, Sandra wrote:

>Penn & Teller proved that people would sign a petition against water,
>and someone Holly was telling me about was getting college-aged girls
>to sign a petition against women's suffrage.

Kinda related but not really: I have a friend named Michael who owns
a little store in a little town in New Hampshire. He was bored one
day so just to see what would happen, he took a coffee can, taped a
piece of paper on it that said only "GIVE" written by hand, and he
set it out on his front steps. Sure enough, people walking by
dropped money into the can, even though there was absolutely no
indication of what the money was being collected for!

Knowing stuff like this, one can better understand how some people
get elected to office!

~Marji

(You know, I'd like to sign that petition against women's
suffering. Sounds important!) <vbg>

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Sandra Dodd

On Apr 12, 2006, at 2:17 PM, dana_burdick wrote:

> > this subject line so people can ignore it if they don't care.
>
> Would setting up a poll work for this?


No, because I'm the benevolent dictator. I just want general
feedback and advisement. If a majority of the list voted to change
to a knitting list, I'd just ban everyone who voted against
unschooling. Bwa ah ha haa...

Sandra Dodd

On Apr 12, 2006, at 2:17 PM, dana_burdick wrote:

> Would setting up a poll work for this?

I should've been more specific. I hate petitions. Anyone will sign
a petition for anything. But to express one's own real opinion even
thought it might take as much trouble as writing words down and
hitting "send" is much more real.

Penn & Teller proved that people would sign a petition against water,
and someone Holly was telling me about was getting college-aged girls
to sign a petition against women's suffrage.

Sandra

lilith_pouia

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> This isn't about unschooling here for a minute, it's a side issue of
> the list.
>
> -=-maybe it would make a good set of posts for reference-=-
>
> It's so hard to find old posts on this list, that's why I started
> saving things. I save two for every one that ever gets onto a
> webpage. I keep webpages of good posts because it's easier for
> people to find them then than go through the list.
>
> The Unschooling Discussion list moved to google.com so that people
> can read through the archives better. Probably some-to-lots of you
> are on that list as well as this one.
>
> Those who aren't on that one can (if you're in the mood, have time,
> care) look at what those archives look like, and how these look.
> Maybe try searching for something in there, like something you
> remember writing or reading.
>
> And the question is... should we consider moving this list to
> googlegroups?
> If you want to write to me on the side my address is
> Sandra@..., or you can write here, but try to keep it in
> this subject line so people can ignore it if they don't care.
>
> DEFINITELY I wouldn't just move the list. We had some problems doing
> that. I'd probably set up a couple of easy ways to get there and let
> each reader make the move or not.
>
> If lots of people are comfortable here, we could just stay here.
>
> A related question is...
> Is there really any reason to have this list separate from
> UnschoolingDiscussion? Originally, it was a list for people who did
> want to be on a list with me, and who didn't mind moderation. Now
> that one's more moderated than this one. But even though original
> intents change, current realities might be comfortable enough that we
> leave things as they are.
>
> So...
> Stay here/leave it alone?
> Move?
> Let this list go?
>
> No one should feel obligated to vote or even to care. <g>
> And if anyone's tired of this list and wishes they had better
> beginning info, or a list for younger kids, check here:
> http://sandradodd.com/lists/other
> and
> http://sandradodd.com/help
>
> Sandra
>
I suppose since i'm new to the group i don't really have an opinion.
How are the archives set up now as opposed to how they would be if you
moved the group to google?

michele oquinn

I visit this list as well as UD and would prefer them
to be combined for simplicity sake.


--- Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

>
> On Apr 12, 2006, at 2:17 PM, dana_burdick wrote:
>
> > Would setting up a poll work for this?
>
> I should've been more specific. I hate petitions.
> Anyone will sign
> a petition for anything. But to express one's own
> real opinion even
> thought it might take as much trouble as writing
> words down and
> hitting "send" is much more real.
>
> Penn & Teller proved that people would sign a
> petition against water,
> and someone Holly was telling me about was getting
> college-aged girls
> to sign a petition against women's suffrage.
>
> Sandra
>
>


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Tami

Here's what I have to say about this:

I rather like this list being separate from UD. The tone is different,
and while I don't think I can really explain HOW it's different, it is, and
I like it.

I'm fine with the list staying here, or moving. I do like being able to
search the archives more easily, and the move to Google was not difficult
for me...but I'm not a moderator and was able to just delete all the whiny
"I don't like this" posts.

I have not read UD at Google, so I can't speak to that. However, since we
will be moving to the states and losing our email address, I might well be
reading lists at the "source" during the move. I get frustrated doing that
at Yahoo, but that could be just me.

Tami, depositing .02 into the box.


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Sandra Dodd

On Apr 12, 2006, at 4:54 PM, lilith_pouia wrote:

> > No one should feel obligated to vote or even to care. <g>
> > And if anyone's tired of this list and wishes they had better
> > beginning info, or a list for younger kids, check here:
> > http://sandradodd.com/lists/other
> > and
> > http://sandradodd.com/help
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> I suppose since i'm new to the group i don't really have an opinion.
> How are the archives set up now as opposed to how they would be if you
> moved the group to google?
>


OH! I'm sorry. I meant to put the links to the lists.

Our archives yahoo-style are here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysLearning/
(click on messages)

The other list is here:
http://groups.google.com/group/UnschoolingDiscussion
You see the messages right away, and they're sorted by subject line.

Melissa

You da boss, boss. It's six of one to me....
i think I'll make a blog of things to do for meals to save time. I
did that for my family on playing video games. They were not amused.
:-P
You see how much I care. I like my gameboy.
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose

share our lives at
http://360.yahoo.com/multimomma



On Apr 12, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:

>
>
> And the question is... should we consider moving this list to
> googlegroups?
> If you want to write to me on the side my address is
> Sandra@..., or you can write here, but try to keep it in
> this subject line so people can ignore it if they don't care.
>
> DEFINITELY I wouldn't just move the list. We had some problems doing
> that. I'd probably set up a couple of easy ways to get there and let
> each reader make the move or not.
>
> If lots of people are comfortable here, we could just stay here.
>
> A related question is...
> Is there really any reason to have this list separate from
> UnschoolingDiscussion? Originally, it was a list for people who did
> want to be on a list with me, and who didn't mind moderation. Now
> that one's more moderated than this one. But even though original
> intents change, current realities might be comfortable enough that we
> leave things as they are.
>
> So...
> Stay here/leave it alone?
> Move?
> Let this list go?
>
> No one should feel obligated to vote or even to care. <g>
> And if anyone's tired of this list and wishes they had better
> beginning info, or a list for younger kids, check here:
> http://sandradodd.com/lists/other
> and
> http://sandradodd.com/help
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> Visit your group "AlwaysLearning" on the web.
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [email protected]
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>



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Sandra Dodd

On Apr 12, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Melissa wrote:

> i think I'll make a blog of things to do for meals to save time


If you do (and that's a great idea!) please let us know the URL so it
can be linked and used as recommendation fodder in future!

Sandra

diana jenner

lilith_pouia wrote:

>--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
>
>>This isn't about unschooling here for a minute, it's a side issue of
>>the list.
>><snip>
>>The Unschooling Discussion list moved to google.com so that people
>>can read through the archives better. Probably some-to-lots of you
>>are on that list as well as this one.
>><snip>
>>And the question is... should we consider moving this list to
>>googlegroups?
>>If you want to write to me on the side my address is
>>Sandra@..., or you can write here, but try to keep it in
>>this subject line so people can ignore it if they don't care.
>><snip>
>>If lots of people are comfortable here, we could just stay here.
>>
>>A related question is...
>>Is there really any reason to have this list separate from
>>UnschoolingDiscussion? Originally, it was a list for people who did
>>want to be on a list with me, and who didn't mind moderation. Now
>>that one's more moderated than this one. But even though original
>>intents change, current realities might be comfortable enough that we
>>leave things as they are.
>>
>>So...
>>Stay here/leave it alone?
>>Move?
>>Let this list go
>>
>>

This post is an example of why we should move to google -- this is the
third response I've read to the original, but I've yet to receive the
original itself. The UD mail has been coming chronologically since the
move to google.
This is a nice group, keeping it would be okay, it's smaller than UD,
even if it has the same feel, it's more intimate, and you've got my
blessing on letting something leave your already-full plate. So I leave
you as muddled as I found you <g>
:) diana


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Angela S.

Hi Sandra,

I guess I'd vote to go to the google lists. :-) I like the search function
and the way you can read posts by topic. I didn't have any of the problems
other people had with the switch. My emails kept coming into my inbox and
then being sorted into my folders just like they always did.



Angela

game-enthusiast@...

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Joanna Wilkinson

I read at the sites. No mail.
I guess I'm just use to yahoo.
I go to the google group and feel overwhelmed.
It all in it's own subjects, which sounds like it's easier, but I'm
use to yahoo's running the posts by date and time. Can I change that
feature at google?
I guess I should ask there.
I'll follow if you go, but I'm happy here.

Joanna

Paula Sjogerman

On Apr 13, 2006, at 8:00 AM, Joanna Wilkinson wrote:

> I read at the sites. No mail.
> I guess I'm just use to yahoo.
> I go to the google group and feel overwhelmed.
> It all in it's own subjects, which sounds like it's easier, but I'm
> use to yahoo's running the posts by date and time. Can I change that
> feature at google?
> I guess I should ask there.
> I'll follow if you go, but I'm happy here.
>
> Joanna
>
>
>
The move doesn't matter much if you get individual posts. If you want
to read on digest, google sucks. Threading doesn't work well because
we don't all respond nice and neatly to only the subject heading -
discussions grow out of various ideas and much of the time the
heading is meaningless.

So for me, I get this list individually, so it would be fine, but
I've pretty much stopped reading UD :(

Paula

"We worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that the
child is already someone today." - Stacia Tauscher

queenjane555

I basically agree with Joanna. All of my groups, except UD, are at
yahoo groups, and since i read online only i dont deal with email at
all. (Still gotta delete those hundreds of msgs that got sent to my
inbox from UD before i changed my settings though!)But if others feel
strongly about moving to google, i'll follow.

I kinda like Always Learning being separate from UD...as someone else
mentioned, its different, though i can't put my finger on why.


Katherine


--- In [email protected], "Joanna Wilkinson"
<jbwilkinson6@...> wrote:
>
> I read at the sites. No mail.
> I guess I'm just use to yahoo.
> I go to the google group and feel overwhelmed.
> It all in it's own subjects, which sounds like it's easier, but I'm
> use to yahoo's running the posts by date and time. Can I change
that
> feature at google?
> I guess I should ask there.
> I'll follow if you go, but I'm happy here.
>
> Joanna
>

Katy Jennings

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
wrote:
>> So...
> Stay here/leave it alone?
> Move?
> Let this list go?
>

I started reading all of my yahoo lists at the website because it
drives me crazy that they do not arrive in my email in order.

Google arrives in order, and I love that, so I read UD in my email
(sorted into its neat little folder), and all yahoo stuff on the
site. I like Google, I would tentatively vote for that, but would
not be unhappy if it stayed here.

I appreciate all of you list owners and moderators and all of the
work that you do, I think whatever you decide is great.

Katy J. in Southern NM

Sandra Dodd

On Apr 13, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Paula Sjogerman wrote:

> So for me, I get this list individually, so it would be fine, but
> I've pretty much stopped reading UD :(

I think I'll just leave it here. Thanks.

I think for those who are reading just a bit and think there's too
much, reading the google list online is good! It's quite like a
message board, and I've used it a couple of times to respond to
something a few days old. I can respond to things WEEKS old if I
want. <g> Maybe the people who are reading e-mail will wonder what
I'm talking about, but those reading by topics won't. You can
subscribe to topics.

Sandra

Julie W in AR

> >> So...
> > Stay here/leave it alone?
> > Move?
> > Let this list go?
> >
>

Ya know, this is the only homeschooling/unschooling
(it ended up being the only one I read, the others
just ended up pissing me off at some point)list I am
on anymore so I will follow where ever you go.

Julie W
www.damngoodvintage.com

Joanna Wilkinson

--- In [email protected], "queenjane555"
<queenjane555@...> wrote:

(Still gotta delete those hundreds of msgs that got sent to my
> inbox from UD before i changed my settings though!)<<

I don't know how people get all that mail each day.
I had it coming from UD for 2 days before I figured out how to go to
no mail.
Talk about overwhelming!

Joanna

Loon

--- Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
> So...
> Stay here/leave it alone?
> Move?
> Let this list go?
>


To add my voice, for what it's worth, if no one minds...

I am signed up for digest mode on most of my subscribed lists.

I find the digest mode easier to read for Google Groups because the
replies are sorted according to topic. Plus there's a link to the
entire thread so that I can go back and check previous posts or
check new posts in that thread, reply to others, etc.
I also find it easier to read at the website because you can view
the topics as in tree format which helps to know who replied to what
poster and when.

However, this list is not as overwhelming in message traffic as some
of the other lists (although it's been busy the past few days! <g>),
so I don't mind if it stays at Yahoo.

But in either case, I vote to maintain this list seperate from UD.
It has its own distinctive tone, and to me there's definitely a
separate "voice" UD.
UD seems to me to be more about discussing helping unschooling work
better, while AL is more people who are doing unschooling and
sharing their experiences in it.

Okay, that was still pretty muddy in explanation. I tried! :)

And a mini-intro from me. Sorry to tack it on but I've been on most
of these lists over a year already and have been reading, reading,
reading, implementing more and more of the unschooling lifestyle and
am just now tentatively posting....
I'm Terri (my online handle is usually Loon, both meanings of that --
"crazy as a" and the beautiful birds). I'm able to stay at home
with my daughter who's almost 4. My DH is in the military
(currently in Iraq, but due home soon!) I enjoy reading at these
lists and getting help to further our unschooling life.

Terri
(aka Loon)

ChelleBelle

--- Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
> So...
> Stay here/leave it alone?
> Move?
> Let this list go?
>


I like the way this list runs now, so my vote is to keep things the way there are. I only know how to join Yahoo Groups and really love this group. If It moves, please let me know!

Thanks,
Michelle


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[email protected]

In a message dated 4/14/2006 9:01:35 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
chellebelle0412@... writes:


I like the way this list runs now, so my vote is to keep things the way
there are. I only know how to join Yahoo Groups and really love this group. If
It moves, please let me know!



I just joined, and I'm not a member of any google groups, so I know nothing
of those groups. I would be lost if you moved, so please don't, I'm just now
getting to feel like I have the "hang" of this group.

Mandy

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Sandra Dodd

On Apr 14, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Loon wrote:

> UD seems to me to be more about discussing helping unschooling work
> better, while AL is more people who are doing unschooling and
> sharing their experiences in it.
>
> Okay, that was still pretty muddy in explanation. I tried! :)

===============

No, it was good.

I'll just leave this one as is. But if any of you find yahoo or this
list irritating or insufficient for your unschooling needs, don't
forget unschooling discussion.

Sandra