Corn Syrup Reaction
prncsywrd
I've been reading all this wonderful discussion on food and I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for me. My son loves high fructose corn syrup because it give him a "high" feeling where he runs around laughing hysterically and having alot of energy. However, after this reaction subsides, he becomes very angry and sad and acts out aggressively. I've tried talking to him about this, but he sees me as trying to take away his "high" feeling that he likes by suggesting that maybe the corn syrup is bad for him. I don't want to tell him he cannot have the corn syrup. I want him to be free to make his own choices. I have no problems allowing him to have sugar as much as he wants and so I buy products with sugar instead of corn syrup. He says that he wants the corn syrup ones because he wants the "high" feeling. He doesn't connect the angry feelings with the "high" feelings and talking hasn't helped. Should I just buy a bunch of corn syrup products and let him have at it, hoping that someday he'll make the connection?
Thanks,
Bev
Thanks,
Bev
Sandra Dodd
-=-My son loves high fructose corn syrup because it give him a "high"
feeling where he runs around laughing hysterically and having alot of
energy.-=-
Did you tell him about that high and describe it to him yourself?
Because honestly, there is a young wives' tale that sugar makes kids
high, but the evidence is against it.
Perhaps if it's restricted, he gets happy to have it.
-=I've tried talking to him about this, but he sees me as trying to
take away his "high" feeling that he likes by suggesting that maybe
the corn syrup is bad for him.-=-
My thought was that you probably told him it would give him a high, he
would like to have a high, he looks for it, acts out, you react, he
reacts, then you say "bad" then you seem "bad."
Perhaps if you drop the whole thing completely and entirely and let
him have what he wants, after a while there will be nothing to act and
react about on either side.
-=-He doesn't connect the angry feelings with the "high" feelings and
talking hasn't helped. -=-
Maybe the talking is contributing to the anger. I bet you were
commenting on his behavior before he got angry each time.
-=-Should I just buy a bunch of corn syrup products and let him have
at it, hoping that someday he'll make the connection?-=-
Ah.
I think you should not "buy a bunch" of anything. I think you should
stop trying to ban corn syrup, be casual and calm, don't make a big
deal either way, and hopfully someday you'll see that there was no
connection.
Be his partner, not his adversary. Don't make it him and corn syrup
against you and your talking.
http://sandradodd.com/myths
Please look at the sugar links at the top there. I bet the same
applies to your situation.
Sandra
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feeling where he runs around laughing hysterically and having alot of
energy.-=-
Did you tell him about that high and describe it to him yourself?
Because honestly, there is a young wives' tale that sugar makes kids
high, but the evidence is against it.
Perhaps if it's restricted, he gets happy to have it.
-=I've tried talking to him about this, but he sees me as trying to
take away his "high" feeling that he likes by suggesting that maybe
the corn syrup is bad for him.-=-
My thought was that you probably told him it would give him a high, he
would like to have a high, he looks for it, acts out, you react, he
reacts, then you say "bad" then you seem "bad."
Perhaps if you drop the whole thing completely and entirely and let
him have what he wants, after a while there will be nothing to act and
react about on either side.
-=-He doesn't connect the angry feelings with the "high" feelings and
talking hasn't helped. -=-
Maybe the talking is contributing to the anger. I bet you were
commenting on his behavior before he got angry each time.
-=-Should I just buy a bunch of corn syrup products and let him have
at it, hoping that someday he'll make the connection?-=-
Ah.
I think you should not "buy a bunch" of anything. I think you should
stop trying to ban corn syrup, be casual and calm, don't make a big
deal either way, and hopfully someday you'll see that there was no
connection.
Be his partner, not his adversary. Don't make it him and corn syrup
against you and your talking.
http://sandradodd.com/myths
Please look at the sugar links at the top there. I bet the same
applies to your situation.
Sandra
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Lyla Wolfenstein
wow i never heard that about the company school. has anyone posted this site yet?
http://waldorfcritics.org/
lyla
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http://waldorfcritics.org/
lyla
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Julie V
Living in fear about purported truths can make anything seem true. When I lived in fear concerning my kids consuming sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup I could swear that it changed their behavior. Truthfully though, it didn't, and it still doesn't now that I've moved past living in fear.
Julie v.
http://lerendzonderschool.blogspot.com/
Julie v.
http://lerendzonderschool.blogspot.com/
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-My son loves high fructose corn syrup because it give him a "high"
> feeling where he runs around laughing hysterically and having alot of
> energy.-=-
>
> Did you tell him about that high and describe it to him yourself?
> Because honestly, there is a young wives' tale that sugar makes kids
> high, but the evidence is against it.
>
> Perhaps if it's restricted, he gets happy to have it.
>
> -=I've tried talking to him about this, but he sees me as trying to
> take away his "high" feeling that he likes by suggesting that maybe
> the corn syrup is bad for him.-=-
>
> My thought was that you probably told him it would give him a high, he
> would like to have a high, he looks for it, acts out, you react, he
> reacts, then you say "bad" then you seem "bad."
>
> Perhaps if you drop the whole thing completely and entirely and let
> him have what he wants, after a while there will be nothing to act and
> react about on either side.
>
> -=-He doesn't connect the angry feelings with the "high" feelings and
> talking hasn't helped. -=-
>
> Maybe the talking is contributing to the anger. I bet you were
> commenting on his behavior before he got angry each time.
>
> -=-Should I just buy a bunch of corn syrup products and let him have
> at it, hoping that someday he'll make the connection?-=-
>
> Ah.
> I think you should not "buy a bunch" of anything. I think you should
> stop trying to ban corn syrup, be casual and calm, don't make a big
> deal either way, and hopfully someday you'll see that there was no
> connection.
>
> Be his partner, not his adversary. Don't make it him and corn syrup
> against you and your talking.
>
> http://sandradodd.com/myths
> Please look at the sugar links at the top there. I bet the same
> applies to your situation.
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
prncsywrd
Sandra,
First off, I not only respect your opinion on sugar not causing hyperactivity but agree with it myself. We eat sugar in many forms and have no reactions to it. Two of my children have corn syrup without any reactions. My son, however, does seem to have a reaction to it. I liken it to when I take cough syrup and I feel "spacey". I know that others do not have this same reaction to cough syrup. It is simply how my body reacts to it.
"Did you tell him about that high and describe it to him yourself?"
No, I did not. When he asked me to buy the popsicles from the store (those with corn syrup in them), I asked him why he liked those better than the ones I make or the ones we get from the health store. He told me they make him feel "high" and "really happy". I asked what he meant by "high" and he said "lots of energy".
"Perhaps if it's restricted, he gets happy to have it."
This may be true and so I posted this post as trying to implement a very free, have all you want, approach.
" My thought was that you probably told him it would give him a high, he would like to have a high, he looks for it, acts out, you react, he reacts, then you say "bad" then you seem "bad.""
I didn't mean to suggest that I ever tell him it is bad. He has used this interpretation and so perhaps my efforts to help him understand that different foods may make his body feel differently, has given him an impression of "bad". This is completely my fault and I need to see how I am talking to him.
"Perhaps if you drop the whole thing completely and entirely and let him have what he wants, after a while there will be nothing to act and react about on either side."
Perhaps this is true and I certainly hope that it is. I guess my real question is one that should be reserved for a later date should it become necessary: "what if he has all he wants and has continual ups and downs which affect not only him, but everyone around him?"
" Maybe the talking is contributing to the anger. I bet you were
commenting on his behavior before he got angry each time."
Actually, I have never commented on his behavior until he got angry and started acting aggressively. I do not mind him having alot of energy and laughing hysterically. I do not like it when he starts hitting his siblings or yelling at people around him.
" I think you should not "buy a bunch" of anything. I think you should stop trying to ban corn syrup, be casual and calm, don't make a big deal either way, and hopfully someday you'll see that there was no connection.
Be his partner, not his adversary. Don't make it him and corn syrup against you and your talking."
This is the answer I was most looking for. I do hope there is not a real connection. However, I do believe that people do have allergic or adverse reactions to substances, for whatever unknown reason. I do also believe that these reactions or allergies can disappear over time.
Respectfully,
Bev
First off, I not only respect your opinion on sugar not causing hyperactivity but agree with it myself. We eat sugar in many forms and have no reactions to it. Two of my children have corn syrup without any reactions. My son, however, does seem to have a reaction to it. I liken it to when I take cough syrup and I feel "spacey". I know that others do not have this same reaction to cough syrup. It is simply how my body reacts to it.
"Did you tell him about that high and describe it to him yourself?"
No, I did not. When he asked me to buy the popsicles from the store (those with corn syrup in them), I asked him why he liked those better than the ones I make or the ones we get from the health store. He told me they make him feel "high" and "really happy". I asked what he meant by "high" and he said "lots of energy".
"Perhaps if it's restricted, he gets happy to have it."
This may be true and so I posted this post as trying to implement a very free, have all you want, approach.
" My thought was that you probably told him it would give him a high, he would like to have a high, he looks for it, acts out, you react, he reacts, then you say "bad" then you seem "bad.""
I didn't mean to suggest that I ever tell him it is bad. He has used this interpretation and so perhaps my efforts to help him understand that different foods may make his body feel differently, has given him an impression of "bad". This is completely my fault and I need to see how I am talking to him.
"Perhaps if you drop the whole thing completely and entirely and let him have what he wants, after a while there will be nothing to act and react about on either side."
Perhaps this is true and I certainly hope that it is. I guess my real question is one that should be reserved for a later date should it become necessary: "what if he has all he wants and has continual ups and downs which affect not only him, but everyone around him?"
" Maybe the talking is contributing to the anger. I bet you were
commenting on his behavior before he got angry each time."
Actually, I have never commented on his behavior until he got angry and started acting aggressively. I do not mind him having alot of energy and laughing hysterically. I do not like it when he starts hitting his siblings or yelling at people around him.
" I think you should not "buy a bunch" of anything. I think you should stop trying to ban corn syrup, be casual and calm, don't make a big deal either way, and hopfully someday you'll see that there was no connection.
Be his partner, not his adversary. Don't make it him and corn syrup against you and your talking."
This is the answer I was most looking for. I do hope there is not a real connection. However, I do believe that people do have allergic or adverse reactions to substances, for whatever unknown reason. I do also believe that these reactions or allergies can disappear over time.
Respectfully,
Bev
Sandra Dodd
-=-When he asked me to buy the popsicles from the store (those with
corn syrup in them), I asked him why he liked those better than the
ones I make or the ones we get from the health store. He told me they
make him feel "high" and "really happy". I asked what he meant by
"high" and he said "lots of energy".-=-
Happy makes people feel energetic.
If he's happier with some that are long and skinny than short and fat,
that wouldn't mean skinny made him high.
Scientifically speaking, unless you had some that were identical
except for sugar or corn syrup, you wouldn't know that was the
difference.
Now that you mention that the choices were home made, health store or
"corn syrup," it seems much different to me. Health-food-store
popsicles often have all the parts of the plants and are bitter,
especially the pineapple ones. Some people like jelly much more than
they like jam because they don't like the texture of the skins and
seeds of the fruit, but they do like the juice and the flavor. Some
people only like strained orange juice. Maybe it's a texture thing
with him.
-=Actually, I have never commented on his behavior until he got angry
and started acting aggressively. I do not mind him having alot of
energy and laughing hysterically. I do not like it when he starts
hitting his siblings or yelling at people around him.-=-
Okay. Let's say you have a child who becomes aggressive and hits and
yells. Rather than looking for a cause, coach him about how to deal
with anger. Or be there before the anger and hitting and yelling
start. Maybe the siblings were being irritating. Maybe they did NOT
like his energy and laughter.
Maybe the corn syrup has nothing on earth to do with it. Maybe corn
syrup does. (I seriously doubt it.) But either way, he needs to
learn to deal with being kind and gentle, not deprived of food.
-=- However, I do believe that people do have allergic or adverse
reactions to substances, for whatever unknown reason. I do also
believe that these reactions or allergies can disappear over time.-=-
I agree with you but I'm also absolutely positive there are mothers
who hope their kids have an allergy because it's kind of a fad, and so
if the need for the child to have an allergy goes away, the mom can
say he grew out of the allergy. I know people can grow out of some
allergies, and into some others, over the course of a lifetime. In
recent years it's much more common for mothers to grow out of the need
for a child to have an allergy.
Sandra
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corn syrup in them), I asked him why he liked those better than the
ones I make or the ones we get from the health store. He told me they
make him feel "high" and "really happy". I asked what he meant by
"high" and he said "lots of energy".-=-
Happy makes people feel energetic.
If he's happier with some that are long and skinny than short and fat,
that wouldn't mean skinny made him high.
Scientifically speaking, unless you had some that were identical
except for sugar or corn syrup, you wouldn't know that was the
difference.
Now that you mention that the choices were home made, health store or
"corn syrup," it seems much different to me. Health-food-store
popsicles often have all the parts of the plants and are bitter,
especially the pineapple ones. Some people like jelly much more than
they like jam because they don't like the texture of the skins and
seeds of the fruit, but they do like the juice and the flavor. Some
people only like strained orange juice. Maybe it's a texture thing
with him.
-=Actually, I have never commented on his behavior until he got angry
and started acting aggressively. I do not mind him having alot of
energy and laughing hysterically. I do not like it when he starts
hitting his siblings or yelling at people around him.-=-
Okay. Let's say you have a child who becomes aggressive and hits and
yells. Rather than looking for a cause, coach him about how to deal
with anger. Or be there before the anger and hitting and yelling
start. Maybe the siblings were being irritating. Maybe they did NOT
like his energy and laughter.
Maybe the corn syrup has nothing on earth to do with it. Maybe corn
syrup does. (I seriously doubt it.) But either way, he needs to
learn to deal with being kind and gentle, not deprived of food.
-=- However, I do believe that people do have allergic or adverse
reactions to substances, for whatever unknown reason. I do also
believe that these reactions or allergies can disappear over time.-=-
I agree with you but I'm also absolutely positive there are mothers
who hope their kids have an allergy because it's kind of a fad, and so
if the need for the child to have an allergy goes away, the mom can
say he grew out of the allergy. I know people can grow out of some
allergies, and into some others, over the course of a lifetime. In
recent years it's much more common for mothers to grow out of the need
for a child to have an allergy.
Sandra
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prncsywrd
"I agree with you but I'm also absolutely positive there are mothers
who hope their kids have an allergy because it's kind of a fad, and so
if the need for the child to have an allergy goes away, the mom can
say he grew out of the allergy. I know people can grow out of some
allergies, and into some others, over the course of a lifetime. In
recent years it's much more common for mothers to grow out of the need
for a child to have an allergy."
I'm absolutely positive that there are people who like to judge other people and feel empowered by doing so.
Disappointed and dismayed,
Bev
who hope their kids have an allergy because it's kind of a fad, and so
if the need for the child to have an allergy goes away, the mom can
say he grew out of the allergy. I know people can grow out of some
allergies, and into some others, over the course of a lifetime. In
recent years it's much more common for mothers to grow out of the need
for a child to have an allergy."
I'm absolutely positive that there are people who like to judge other people and feel empowered by doing so.
Disappointed and dismayed,
Bev
Sandra Dodd
-=-I'm absolutely positive that there are people who like to judge
other people and feel empowered by doing so.-=-
I was talking about thousands of mothers, and I think you're talking
about me.
I could have kept the post off the list but I let it through.
What "power" might this be, this "judging other people"?
Why would a list like this exist if everyone here agreed with
everything, and said everything was equally good? Why have a list?
If all ideas are exactly the same, there's no point in communication
at all.
Sandra
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other people and feel empowered by doing so.-=-
I was talking about thousands of mothers, and I think you're talking
about me.
I could have kept the post off the list but I let it through.
What "power" might this be, this "judging other people"?
Why would a list like this exist if everyone here agreed with
everything, and said everything was equally good? Why have a list?
If all ideas are exactly the same, there's no point in communication
at all.
Sandra
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Robin Bentley
>The first paragraph was not aimed at anyone in particular. It's a
> "I agree with you but I'm also absolutely positive there are mothers
> who hope their kids have an allergy because it's kind of a fad, and so
> if the need for the child to have an allergy goes away, the mom can
> say he grew out of the allergy. I know people can grow out of some
> allergies, and into some others, over the course of a lifetime. In
> recent years it's much more common for mothers to grow out of the need
> for a child to have an allergy."
>
> I'm absolutely positive that there are people who like to judge
> other people and feel empowered by doing so.
>
general statement made because Sandra has seen it. I've seen it. Maybe
another person reading will see this tendency in themselves.
Sometimes, discussions take off in another direction, encompassing
other possibilities and other people's lives.
Robin B.
Julie V
I actually had a friend tell me she was sort of glad her child was reacting negatively to dairy:( They lean towards being vegan and I'm guessing that was why. That way she had an excuse as to why her daughter couldn't have any dairy.
Julie v.
http://lerendzonderschool.blogspot.com/
Julie v.
http://lerendzonderschool.blogspot.com/
--- In [email protected], Robin Bentley <robin.bentley@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > "I agree with you but I'm also absolutely positive there are mothers
> > who hope their kids have an allergy because it's kind of a fad, and so
> > if the need for the child to have an allergy goes away, the mom can
> > say he grew out of the allergy. I know people can grow out of some
> > allergies, and into some others, over the course of a lifetime. In
> > recent years it's much more common for mothers to grow out of the need
> > for a child to have an allergy."
> >
> > I'm absolutely positive that there are people who like to judge
> > other people and feel empowered by doing so.
> >
> The first paragraph was not aimed at anyone in particular. It's a
> general statement made because Sandra has seen it. I've seen it. Maybe
> another person reading will see this tendency in themselves.
>
> Sometimes, discussions take off in another direction, encompassing
> other possibilities and other people's lives.
>
> Robin B.
>
Jenny Cyphers
***I'm absolutely positive that there are people who like to judge other people and feel empowered by doing so.
Disappointed and dismayed***
And I'm positive that some people like to insult others by some vague notion of feeling judged and not being able to talk about that directly.
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Disappointed and dismayed***
And I'm positive that some people like to insult others by some vague notion of feeling judged and not being able to talk about that directly.
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Sandra Dodd
-=-I'm positive that some people like to insult others by some vague
notion of feeling judged and not being able to talk about that
directly.-=-
I'm not allergic to being vaguely and indirectly insulted. When I was
in my 20's it might have made me cry.
In my 30's I would have tried to make sure the person would still like
me, and might lose sleep.
In my 40's I started to see the patterns in people's reactions and not
to take it so personally.
Now, in my 50's, I know that sometimes when one is in the throes of
change, there's some lashing out involved. It's very rarely about me
at all.
Sandra
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notion of feeling judged and not being able to talk about that
directly.-=-
I'm not allergic to being vaguely and indirectly insulted. When I was
in my 20's it might have made me cry.
In my 30's I would have tried to make sure the person would still like
me, and might lose sleep.
In my 40's I started to see the patterns in people's reactions and not
to take it so personally.
Now, in my 50's, I know that sometimes when one is in the throes of
change, there's some lashing out involved. It's very rarely about me
at all.
Sandra
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jennifer.neary
--- In [email protected], "Julie V" <thewekkenfam@...> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/5uene7
Most interesting to me was the study where they told the moms they were testing for the effects of sugar on behavior, but they were really testing the moms' reactions. It's in the article linked above, but here's the gist:
"why would a sizable chunk of the child-rearing population continue to swear it (the sugar/hyperactivity link) exists? For a crucial piece of the puzzle we turn to the Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology and a 1994 study by Daniel Hoover and Richard Milich, in which they looked at 31 boys ages five to seven and their mothers, all of whom had described their offspring as being "behaviorally affected by sugar."
The mom-son teams were split into the customary two groups: the moms in one were told their sons would be given extra-sugary Kool-Aid, while the others were told their kids were in the control group and would get a drink sweetened with aspartame. In reality, though, the same artificially sweetened stuff was administered to both sets of kids while the women got a sheaf of surveys to fill out. Mothers and children were then videotaped playing together, after which the moms were asked how they thought things went.
What did Hoover and Milich find? You guessed it: the moms who thought they were in the sugar group said their sons acted more hyper. In addition, they tended to hover over their children more during play, offer more criticism of their behavior, etc. The mother-son pairs in the other group were judged by observers to be getting along better. What's more, those moms who, going into the experiment, most strongly believed their kids were sugar-sensitive also scored highest on a test designed to gauge cognitive rigidity.
From there, of course, it's not too hard to whip up a hypothesis explaining why the sugar-high myth persists. Having always heard that sugar makes kids act crazy, some parents, particularly those hailing from the control-freak end of the spectrum, may go a little crazy themselves when the sugary stuff enters the picture. In situations where sweets are freely available to their children - like birthday parties or other high-stimulation events - they watch worriedly for any sign of obstreperousness, see it even if it's not there, call it hyperactivity, and attribute it to the cookies and cake. Kids, meanwhile, typically aren't oblivious to this sort of anxiety; consciously or not, they may well figure out that after taking on a load of candy they're expected to run amok and happily oblige."
Jennie
>Absolutely. I've given up telling folks that sugar doesn't make kids hyper, they simply don't believe it. The link below will take you to a sweet little article that sums up the research done on this topic.
> Living in fear about purported truths can make anything seem true. When I lived in fear concerning my kids consuming sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup I could swear that it changed their behavior. Truthfully though, it didn't, and it still doesn't now that I've moved past living in fear.
http://tinyurl.com/5uene7
Most interesting to me was the study where they told the moms they were testing for the effects of sugar on behavior, but they were really testing the moms' reactions. It's in the article linked above, but here's the gist:
"why would a sizable chunk of the child-rearing population continue to swear it (the sugar/hyperactivity link) exists? For a crucial piece of the puzzle we turn to the Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology and a 1994 study by Daniel Hoover and Richard Milich, in which they looked at 31 boys ages five to seven and their mothers, all of whom had described their offspring as being "behaviorally affected by sugar."
The mom-son teams were split into the customary two groups: the moms in one were told their sons would be given extra-sugary Kool-Aid, while the others were told their kids were in the control group and would get a drink sweetened with aspartame. In reality, though, the same artificially sweetened stuff was administered to both sets of kids while the women got a sheaf of surveys to fill out. Mothers and children were then videotaped playing together, after which the moms were asked how they thought things went.
What did Hoover and Milich find? You guessed it: the moms who thought they were in the sugar group said their sons acted more hyper. In addition, they tended to hover over their children more during play, offer more criticism of their behavior, etc. The mother-son pairs in the other group were judged by observers to be getting along better. What's more, those moms who, going into the experiment, most strongly believed their kids were sugar-sensitive also scored highest on a test designed to gauge cognitive rigidity.
From there, of course, it's not too hard to whip up a hypothesis explaining why the sugar-high myth persists. Having always heard that sugar makes kids act crazy, some parents, particularly those hailing from the control-freak end of the spectrum, may go a little crazy themselves when the sugary stuff enters the picture. In situations where sweets are freely available to their children - like birthday parties or other high-stimulation events - they watch worriedly for any sign of obstreperousness, see it even if it's not there, call it hyperactivity, and attribute it to the cookies and cake. Kids, meanwhile, typically aren't oblivious to this sort of anxiety; consciously or not, they may well figure out that after taking on a load of candy they're expected to run amok and happily oblige."
Jennie
Sandra Dodd
Jennifer, I added that post to my site:
http://sandradodd.com/eating/sugar
Added it to the random page generator, too. Thanks.
I bet those moms were pretty furious with the researchers and said
they were ignorant. You'd think people would want to have their fears
relieved. But I know Christians don't want to hear that nobody
believes in the devil except for Christians, when they (at least the
Baptist and Pentecostal kind) have been assuring each other that
anyone who wasn't Christian worshipped the devil.
There are very likely people reading who think that mothers who don't
limit sugar must sugar-coat everything! That there must be ceremonies
of ingestion of raw sugar, with nekkid dancing after, or something.
Many of the moms who allow sugar in their homes have kids who can
ignore it for weeks or months on end. "Can." Not must, not should,
not "see? they discovered the evil on their own." Lack of the fear
of immediate evil might be one of the requirements for real
choicemaking.
Sandra
http://sandradodd.com/eating/sugar
Added it to the random page generator, too. Thanks.
I bet those moms were pretty furious with the researchers and said
they were ignorant. You'd think people would want to have their fears
relieved. But I know Christians don't want to hear that nobody
believes in the devil except for Christians, when they (at least the
Baptist and Pentecostal kind) have been assuring each other that
anyone who wasn't Christian worshipped the devil.
There are very likely people reading who think that mothers who don't
limit sugar must sugar-coat everything! That there must be ceremonies
of ingestion of raw sugar, with nekkid dancing after, or something.
Many of the moms who allow sugar in their homes have kids who can
ignore it for weeks or months on end. "Can." Not must, not should,
not "see? they discovered the evil on their own." Lack of the fear
of immediate evil might be one of the requirements for real
choicemaking.
Sandra
Robin Bentley
> That there must be ceremoniesCan I come? Sounds like fun to me <BEG>.
> of ingestion of raw sugar, with nekkid dancing after, or something.
Robin B.
Joanna
Yesterday we picked a friend up from a 4-H project. It was the last day, and a doughnut was involved at the very end. I sat with a mom as the kids happily lined up to "buy" their doughnuts and she turned to me and said that they had been on a sugar high ever since SMELLING the doughnuts, and now they'd be REALLY crazy. Huh?
I've seen this active group of boys play enthusiastically together on many occasions, and my guess is that sugar was probably not always involved. ;-) And let's not forget to mention that they'd been sitting through a class and were probably now really ready to move.
I think some people talk about a sugar high now in such commonly accepted terms, flying in the face of how science has shown us that bodies react to sugar, that its just a short-hand for a group of kids playing energetically. "Oh, they must be on a sugar high."
Joanna
I've seen this active group of boys play enthusiastically together on many occasions, and my guess is that sugar was probably not always involved. ;-) And let's not forget to mention that they'd been sitting through a class and were probably now really ready to move.
I think some people talk about a sugar high now in such commonly accepted terms, flying in the face of how science has shown us that bodies react to sugar, that its just a short-hand for a group of kids playing energetically. "Oh, they must be on a sugar high."
Joanna
--- In [email protected], "jennifer.neary" <pcjen@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In [email protected], "Julie V" <thewekkenfam@> wrote:
> >
> > Living in fear about purported truths can make anything seem true. When I lived in fear concerning my kids consuming sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup I could swear that it changed their behavior. Truthfully though, it didn't, and it still doesn't now that I've moved past living in fear.
>
>
> Absolutely. I've given up telling folks that sugar doesn't make kids hyper, they simply don't believe it. The link below will take you to a sweet little article that sums up the research done on this topic.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5uene7
>
> Most interesting to me was the study where they told the moms they were testing for the effects of sugar on behavior, but they were really testing the moms' reactions. It's in the article linked above, but here's the gist:
>
>
> "why would a sizable chunk of the child-rearing population continue to swear it (the sugar/hyperactivity link) exists? For a crucial piece of the puzzle we turn to the Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology and a 1994 study by Daniel Hoover and Richard Milich, in which they looked at 31 boys ages five to seven and their mothers, all of whom had described their offspring as being "behaviorally affected by sugar."
>
> The mom-son teams were split into the customary two groups: the moms in one were told their sons would be given extra-sugary Kool-Aid, while the others were told their kids were in the control group and would get a drink sweetened with aspartame. In reality, though, the same artificially sweetened stuff was administered to both sets of kids while the women got a sheaf of surveys to fill out. Mothers and children were then videotaped playing together, after which the moms were asked how they thought things went.
>
> What did Hoover and Milich find? You guessed it: the moms who thought they were in the sugar group said their sons acted more hyper. In addition, they tended to hover over their children more during play, offer more criticism of their behavior, etc. The mother-son pairs in the other group were judged by observers to be getting along better. What's more, those moms who, going into the experiment, most strongly believed their kids were sugar-sensitive also scored highest on a test designed to gauge cognitive rigidity.
>
> From there, of course, it's not too hard to whip up a hypothesis explaining why the sugar-high myth persists. Having always heard that sugar makes kids act crazy, some parents, particularly those hailing from the control-freak end of the spectrum, may go a little crazy themselves when the sugary stuff enters the picture. In situations where sweets are freely available to their children - like birthday parties or other high-stimulation events - they watch worriedly for any sign of obstreperousness, see it even if it's not there, call it hyperactivity, and attribute it to the cookies and cake. Kids, meanwhile, typically aren't oblivious to this sort of anxiety; consciously or not, they may well figure out that after taking on a load of candy they're expected to run amok and happily oblige."
>
>
> Jennie
>
marcella dufault
Hi All! I have perused all comments on this issue and decided to chime in
about the other evils found in high fructose corn syrup. Perhaps many of you
are already aware, but I thought I would share my sister's research: High
Levels of Mercury in corn syrup. Now retired, and teaching spec ed kids in
Hawaii, she worked at/for the FDA researching the effects of Mercury
poisoning in our children, specifically "whistle blowing" that the FDA
ignored her findings quiet. Her findings have since been published in
Environmental Health and can be read online and have been echoed and further
explored by other scientists in the field. She is now working on a
publication, book, which continues her efforts to educate the public and
draw pressure on the industrialist machine. Have I stopped buying all
products containing high fructose corn syrup? No..but knowing what I know
now, I read the labels, and I sure as heck limit the amounts Eli ingests
simply by choosing other products that are free of HFCS. He can have all the
unprocessed natural cane sugar products he wants with the "sugar high" or
not! The taste is what drives us both!!!!
If anyone is interested, here is the link to my sister's article/research
findings: (Renee DuFault):
http://www.ehjournal.net/content/8/1/2
Additional Reading/Responses (albeit there are many.just a couple here for
those who may be interested):
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Dufault_Renee_382621020.aspx
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hatfield/our-melamine-theres-mercu_b_16
1334.html
Well, just another point of view on the subject of sweetners!
Love and Light,
Marcie Dufault
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Joanna
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Corn Syrup Reaction
Yesterday we picked a friend up from a 4-H project. It was the last day, and
a doughnut was involved at the very end. I sat with a mom as the kids
happily lined up to "buy" their doughnuts and she turned to me and said that
they had been on a sugar high ever since SMELLING the doughnuts, and now
they'd be REALLY crazy. Huh?
I've seen this active group of boys play enthusiastically together on many
occasions, and my guess is that sugar was probably not always involved. ;-)
And let's not forget to mention that they'd been sitting through a class and
were probably now really ready to move.
I think some people talk about a sugar high now in such commonly accepted
terms, flying in the face of how science has shown us that bodies react to
sugar, that its just a short-hand for a group of kids playing energetically.
"Oh, they must be on a sugar high."
Joanna
--- In [email protected]
<mailto:AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com> , "jennifer.neary" <pcjen@...>
wrote:
syrup I could swear that it changed their behavior. Truthfully though, it
didn't, and it still doesn't now that I've moved past living in fear.
little article that sums up the research done on this topic.
the moms' reactions. It's in the article linked above, but here's the gist:
puzzle we turn to the Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology and a 1994 study
by Daniel Hoover and Richard Milich, in which they looked at 31 boys ages
five to seven and their mothers, all of whom had described their offspring
as being "behaviorally affected by sugar."
others were told their kids were in the control group and would get a drink
sweetened with aspartame. In reality, though, the same artificially
sweetened stuff was administered to both sets of kids while the women got a
sheaf of surveys to fill out. Mothers and children were then videotaped
playing together, after which the moms were asked how they thought things
went.
tended to hover over their children more during play, offer more criticism
of their behavior, etc. The mother-son pairs in the other group were judged
by observers to be getting along better. What's more, those moms who, going
into the experiment, most strongly believed their kids were sugar-sensitive
also scored highest on a test designed to gauge cognitive rigidity.
makes kids act crazy, some parents, particularly those hailing from the
control-freak end of the spectrum, may go a little crazy themselves when the
sugary stuff enters the picture. In situations where sweets are freely
available to their children - like birthday parties or other
high-stimulation events - they watch worriedly for any sign of
obstreperousness, see it even if it's not there, call it hyperactivity, and
attribute it to the cookies and cake. Kids, meanwhile, typically aren't
oblivious to this sort of anxiety; consciously or not, they may well figure
out that after taking on a load of candy they're expected to run amok and
happily oblige."
about the other evils found in high fructose corn syrup. Perhaps many of you
are already aware, but I thought I would share my sister's research: High
Levels of Mercury in corn syrup. Now retired, and teaching spec ed kids in
Hawaii, she worked at/for the FDA researching the effects of Mercury
poisoning in our children, specifically "whistle blowing" that the FDA
ignored her findings quiet. Her findings have since been published in
Environmental Health and can be read online and have been echoed and further
explored by other scientists in the field. She is now working on a
publication, book, which continues her efforts to educate the public and
draw pressure on the industrialist machine. Have I stopped buying all
products containing high fructose corn syrup? No..but knowing what I know
now, I read the labels, and I sure as heck limit the amounts Eli ingests
simply by choosing other products that are free of HFCS. He can have all the
unprocessed natural cane sugar products he wants with the "sugar high" or
not! The taste is what drives us both!!!!
If anyone is interested, here is the link to my sister's article/research
findings: (Renee DuFault):
http://www.ehjournal.net/content/8/1/2
Additional Reading/Responses (albeit there are many.just a couple here for
those who may be interested):
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Dufault_Renee_382621020.aspx
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hatfield/our-melamine-theres-mercu_b_16
1334.html
Well, just another point of view on the subject of sweetners!
Love and Light,
Marcie Dufault
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Joanna
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Corn Syrup Reaction
Yesterday we picked a friend up from a 4-H project. It was the last day, and
a doughnut was involved at the very end. I sat with a mom as the kids
happily lined up to "buy" their doughnuts and she turned to me and said that
they had been on a sugar high ever since SMELLING the doughnuts, and now
they'd be REALLY crazy. Huh?
I've seen this active group of boys play enthusiastically together on many
occasions, and my guess is that sugar was probably not always involved. ;-)
And let's not forget to mention that they'd been sitting through a class and
were probably now really ready to move.
I think some people talk about a sugar high now in such commonly accepted
terms, flying in the face of how science has shown us that bodies react to
sugar, that its just a short-hand for a group of kids playing energetically.
"Oh, they must be on a sugar high."
Joanna
--- In [email protected]
<mailto:AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com> , "jennifer.neary" <pcjen@...>
wrote:
><mailto:AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com> , "Julie V" <thewekkenfam@> wrote:
>
>
> --- In [email protected]
> >I lived in fear concerning my kids consuming sugar and/or high fructose corn
> > Living in fear about purported truths can make anything seem true. When
syrup I could swear that it changed their behavior. Truthfully though, it
didn't, and it still doesn't now that I've moved past living in fear.
>hyper, they simply don't believe it. The link below will take you to a sweet
>
> Absolutely. I've given up telling folks that sugar doesn't make kids
little article that sums up the research done on this topic.
>testing for the effects of sugar on behavior, but they were really testing
> http://tinyurl.com/5uene7
>
> Most interesting to me was the study where they told the moms they were
the moms' reactions. It's in the article linked above, but here's the gist:
>swear it (the sugar/hyperactivity link) exists? For a crucial piece of the
>
> "why would a sizable chunk of the child-rearing population continue to
puzzle we turn to the Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology and a 1994 study
by Daniel Hoover and Richard Milich, in which they looked at 31 boys ages
five to seven and their mothers, all of whom had described their offspring
as being "behaviorally affected by sugar."
>one were told their sons would be given extra-sugary Kool-Aid, while the
> The mom-son teams were split into the customary two groups: the moms in
others were told their kids were in the control group and would get a drink
sweetened with aspartame. In reality, though, the same artificially
sweetened stuff was administered to both sets of kids while the women got a
sheaf of surveys to fill out. Mothers and children were then videotaped
playing together, after which the moms were asked how they thought things
went.
>were in the sugar group said their sons acted more hyper. In addition, they
> What did Hoover and Milich find? You guessed it: the moms who thought they
tended to hover over their children more during play, offer more criticism
of their behavior, etc. The mother-son pairs in the other group were judged
by observers to be getting along better. What's more, those moms who, going
into the experiment, most strongly believed their kids were sugar-sensitive
also scored highest on a test designed to gauge cognitive rigidity.
>explaining why the sugar-high myth persists. Having always heard that sugar
> From there, of course, it's not too hard to whip up a hypothesis
makes kids act crazy, some parents, particularly those hailing from the
control-freak end of the spectrum, may go a little crazy themselves when the
sugary stuff enters the picture. In situations where sweets are freely
available to their children - like birthday parties or other
high-stimulation events - they watch worriedly for any sign of
obstreperousness, see it even if it's not there, call it hyperactivity, and
attribute it to the cookies and cake. Kids, meanwhile, typically aren't
oblivious to this sort of anxiety; consciously or not, they may well figure
out that after taking on a load of candy they're expected to run amok and
happily oblige."
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Jennie
>
Sandra Dodd
-=-Hi All! I have perused all comments on this issue and decided to
chime in
about the other evils found in high fructose corn syrup. Perhaps many
of you
are already aware...-=-
No one said corn syrup was a superior substance and we should all
bathe in it.
The objection was to a mother being reactionary, and unknowingly
dishonest.
The objection was to baseless limits.
-=Well, just another point of view on the subject of sweetners!-=-
The discussion was never about sweeteners, though it might have seemed
to have been. The topic of EVERY discussion here should be unschooling.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
chime in
about the other evils found in high fructose corn syrup. Perhaps many
of you
are already aware...-=-
No one said corn syrup was a superior substance and we should all
bathe in it.
The objection was to a mother being reactionary, and unknowingly
dishonest.
The objection was to baseless limits.
-=Well, just another point of view on the subject of sweetners!-=-
The discussion was never about sweeteners, though it might have seemed
to have been. The topic of EVERY discussion here should be unschooling.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Julie V
I wonder if some of the paranoia concerning kids and sugar has something to do with the over/mis-diagnosis of ADD/ADHD that is now prevalent in our society. It's as though people are looking for an excuse as to why their child has sooo much energy, instead of realizing that it is perfectly normal for children to be "in motion" for a good part of their existence. Having lots of energy is seen as a negative trait in children nowadays it seems. "Calm down" is a frequent phrase I hear from parents when out in public or at relative's houses. I would think that a child that is in school would have even more (pent up) energy than those that are not in school, and thus need more opportunities in which to be free to run and play outdoors or at a bounce house or skating rink, ect...
A good friend of mine (who is also an unschooler), had an experience last summer with a neighbor boy who had come over to play. The mom walked the boy over and when the neighbor boy and my friends boy saw each other, they sort of went "wild" with excitement to play with each other (perfectly normal in my friends eyes). They were both whooping and hollering and genuinely excited to be able to play together. Well, when the mother noticed her son getting excited, she said "oh, I forgot, he hasn't had his pill", and my friend said "what?" and the lady said "I need to take him home so he can have his pill". My friend "said, "it's o.k., he's fine, they just want to play", but the mother insisted and when he returned, he was noticeably calmer:(
Two of my nephews have noticeably higher energy than the rest of the nephews which IMO can easily be directed by going and doing something physical outside. One cousin is on ritalin, and the other was "diagnosed" by his pediatrician to be "borderline ADHD". The one that isn't on ritalin gets a lot of "calm down's" and/or time out's because of his high energy levels:( Interesting to note that neither of my nephews parents having any paranoia concerning sugar making their kids hyper. Maybe because they have the ADD/ADHD excuse?
Julie van der Wekken
http://lerendzonderschool.blogspot.com/
A good friend of mine (who is also an unschooler), had an experience last summer with a neighbor boy who had come over to play. The mom walked the boy over and when the neighbor boy and my friends boy saw each other, they sort of went "wild" with excitement to play with each other (perfectly normal in my friends eyes). They were both whooping and hollering and genuinely excited to be able to play together. Well, when the mother noticed her son getting excited, she said "oh, I forgot, he hasn't had his pill", and my friend said "what?" and the lady said "I need to take him home so he can have his pill". My friend "said, "it's o.k., he's fine, they just want to play", but the mother insisted and when he returned, he was noticeably calmer:(
Two of my nephews have noticeably higher energy than the rest of the nephews which IMO can easily be directed by going and doing something physical outside. One cousin is on ritalin, and the other was "diagnosed" by his pediatrician to be "borderline ADHD". The one that isn't on ritalin gets a lot of "calm down's" and/or time out's because of his high energy levels:( Interesting to note that neither of my nephews parents having any paranoia concerning sugar making their kids hyper. Maybe because they have the ADD/ADHD excuse?
Julie van der Wekken
http://lerendzonderschool.blogspot.com/
--- In [email protected], "Joanna" <ridingmom@...> wrote:
>
> Yesterday we picked a friend up from a 4-H project. It was the last day, and a doughnut was involved at the very end. I sat with a mom as the kids happily lined up to "buy" their doughnuts and she turned to me and said that they had been on a sugar high ever since SMELLING the doughnuts, and now they'd be REALLY crazy. Huh?
>
> I've seen this active group of boys play enthusiastically together on many occasions, and my guess is that sugar was probably not always involved. ;-) And let's not forget to mention that they'd been sitting through a class and were probably now really ready to move.
>
> I think some people talk about a sugar high now in such commonly accepted terms, flying in the face of how science has shown us that bodies react to sugar, that its just a short-hand for a group of kids playing energetically. "Oh, they must be on a sugar high."
>
> Joanna
>
> >
>