Lisa

Hello!
After signing on to this group and reading posts for a couple weeks I
finally have time (unless the youngest awakens or the other three
burst in!)to post a quick intro. We are a homeschooling family with 4
kids--ages 8yrs (B), 6yrs(B), 4 1/2yrs (B), and 16 months (G). We
will soon be moving to Virginia after living in the UK and
homeschooling under Maryland and English HE laws. The HE laws in VA
will be something to get used to after having more freedom under the
MD and UK laws. But I am up for the challenge! I grew up in
Virginia and think it is a beautiful state, so it will be interesting
watching my own children grow up there now!

Lisa

Kathleen and David Gehrke

Welcome Lisa!
--- Lisa <yorkfamily@...> wrote:
> Hello!
> After signing on to this group and reading posts for
> a couple weeks I
> finally have time (unless the youngest awakens or
> the other three
> burst in!)to post a quick intro. We are a
> homeschooling family with 4
> kids--ages 8yrs (B), 6yrs(B), 4 1/2yrs (B), and 16
> months (G). We
> will soon be moving to Virginia after living in the
> UK and
> homeschooling under Maryland and English HE laws.
> The HE laws in VA
> will be something to get used to after having more
> freedom under the
> MD and UK laws. But I am up for the challenge! I
> grew up in
> Virginia and think it is a beautiful state, so it
> will be interesting
> watching my own children grow up there now!
>
> Lisa
>
>
>


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denisedthomas

Hi my name is Denise and I am new to this group.
I had sent my daughter to various preschool programs and to
Kindergarden before I decided to homeschool her. We sort of
"fell into" unschooling, but I didn't have much info about it and
was kind of lost and lonely. After doing it for one year, I
(mistakenly) put her back into school where she is right now.
She has asked to be homeschooled again, but wants to finish
the year, so we are going to homeschool her starting in May. I
am very excited about it and after some extensive research, have
decided to unschool again. This time I have read Holt and Gatto
and hooked up with you guys and other groups on line. I am
hoping for better success this time and am commited to this
long term! I also have a 4 year old who is in preschool and I will
be pulling him out as well. One of the reasons I put my dd back
in school is that I decided to return to College for my BA, but I
have found the classes less than satisfactory because we
frantically write notes only to memorize and regurgetate the info
on the tests. I have decided to look into a correspondence
program to become a naturopath, but I am nervous whether this
will conflict with my ability to be available to my kids when they
need me.
Any comments or advice is welcome (be gentle though please!)
Great to be here!
Denise Thomas

sharonjrt

Halloo Denise!
My DD is turning 4, and we've just begun the journey of explaning to
everyone that "We're Unschooling!"
If you spend a few moments explaning why you've chosen this path to
outsiders, I'm sure that you'll find that they sympatize with your
efforts to provide the best approach to education for your children.

Deirdre Aycock

Denise - I don't have any advice or suggestions. Actually what I have is a request. Can you occassionally post and tell us how things are going with you? I am interested in your idea of studying to be a naturopath while still being a mommy. I think trying to balance "getting something done" and still being there when the kids need something is challenging for me, and I'd like to hear how other people handle this. My kids are older now (11 and 9), and I have recently taken on a project--redoing a house next door to ours to use as rental property. I can go next door to work, or out in the garden to work, but there's a limit to how long I can work. My kids are old enough to do without me for long periods of time, that's not the issue. It's spending enough time with them. Face time. Your kids are younger, so once you get them home with you, you will be working on this same balancing act. How much of the non-mommy stuff to you get done while still making sure your kids get enough of your full attention.
I do know that when my kids come to me and ask for something, I drop what I am doing. Right that minute. And when they were younger, if I spent lots of time with them in the morning, they were less likely to need me in the afternoon. I could usually find a couple of hours to paint or sew.
Personally, I need something else going on besides just kids and housework. I like having something more visible. But I try very hard to keep from thinking, "Oh, please let me go work" when my kids want me to play video games with them.
Deirdre
One of the reasons I put my dd back
in school is that I decided to return to College for my BA, but I
have found the classes less than satisfactory because we
frantically write notes only to memorize and regurgetate the info
on the tests. I have decided to look into a correspondence
program to become a naturopath, but I am nervous whether this
will conflict with my ability to be available to my kids when they
need me.
Any comments or advice is welcome (be gentle though please!)
Great to be here!
Denise Thomas




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J. Stauffer

<<<< If you spend a few moments explaning why you've chosen this path to
> outsiders, I'm sure that you'll find that they sympatize with your
> efforts to provide the best approach to education for your children.>>>>

Oh Grasshopper, Confucius say "You don't live in the Bible Belt, do you?"
<grin>

Many of us live in areas where children are viewed as possessions that are
born evil and must have the devil beat out of them.

Julie S.


>

sharonjrt

Okay, so I was being a tad optimistic about other prople being
sympathetic to your desire to provide the best for your children!

Really, I had the following realization while family (who are VERY
Board of Ed-oriented) were asking AGAIN, "So, how long are you
planning to homeschool her?" My desire to homeschool makes people
who've followed the "accepted" schooling methods feel that I disagree
with their choices for their own children. It also causes them to
feel insecure and defensive about their own education.
This makes me stop and think that maybe I too need to be more
accepting of others.

[email protected]

In a message dated 3/18/04 11:27:36 AM, sharonjrt@... writes:

<< Really, I had the following realization while family (who are VERY

Board of Ed-oriented) were asking AGAIN, "So, how long are you

planning to homeschool her?" >>

To that question I always said "As long as it seems to be working out" or
"until it doesn't seem like a good idea anymore."

Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 3/18/04 6:09:40 PM, cen46624@... writes:

<< Thanks for this, Sandra. This reply has served me well with my family
(retired schoolteachers). Hope springs eternal. I say, "Who can predict
the future, I just know we're doing it now." >>

Yeah, it sure shushes the teacher-friends. They have hope and trust that it
will NOT work, so they look forward to the day you put your kids back in
school and they can feel superior again.

I have lost two friends (teachers) over this homeschooling thing. Maybe
three. But their friendship wasn't worth compromising my beliefs or my children's
peace.

Sandra

Diane

Thanks for this, Sandra. This reply has served me well with my family
(retired schoolteachers). Hope springs eternal. I say, "Who can predict
the future, I just know we're doing it now."

:-) Diane


>"So, how long are you planning to homeschool her?" >>
>
>To that question I always said "As long as it seems to be working out" or
>"until it doesn't seem like a good idea anymore."
>
>Sandra
>

Diane

My folks aren't going to wait 'til it doesn't work to go ahead and feel
superior. They'll do that straight through. They baffle me, though. They
really *want* their kids and grand-kids to like them and voluntarily
spend time with them, but my Dad said over Christmas, "*I* wouldn't want
to be less controlling--other people might want me to, but not me!" I
had laryngitis so couldn't reply, but I was speechless anyway. Talk
about two conflicting goals!

:-) Diane


> Yeah, it sure shushes the teacher-friends. They have hope and trust
> that it
> will NOT work, so they look forward to the day you put your kids back
> in school and they can feel superior again.

Joanna Wilkinson

The news was on and I was walking by the tv when I heard the
newscaster say, "A new study shows that 90% of the people feel they
are morally superior to others".
I thought, Dang! it's just not me? ;-)
I thought it was really interesting.
Joanna

--- In [email protected], Diane <cen46624@v...> wrote:
> My folks aren't going to wait 'til it doesn't work to go ahead and
feel
> superior. They'll do that straight through. They baffle me,
though. They
> really *want* their kids and grand-kids to like them and
voluntarily
> spend time with them, but my Dad said over Christmas, "*I*
wouldn't want
> to be less controlling--other people might want me to, but not
me!" I
> had laryngitis so couldn't reply, but I was speechless anyway.
Talk
> about two conflicting goals!
>
> :-) Diane
>
>
> > Yeah, it sure shushes the teacher-friends. They have hope and
trust
> > that it
> > will NOT work, so they look forward to the day you put your
kids back
> > in school and they can feel superior again.

lentilsandrice34

Hi,

My name is Loreen Heavens I live in CT.Daughters ages 3.5 and 6.5. We
hope to correspond with AP unschoolers.We enjoy outdoors, animals and
time together.

We hope to hear from you soon,

Loreen

Janet Hamlin

Welcome, Loreen. I'm in CT, too, and have a dd age 9.5, and a ds age 5.5.
We're in New London county.

Janet

Betjeman and Barton Tea Merchants

Hi Loreen

I'm in CT too with a 4.5 year old daughter. Where are you located - we're down in Groton - SE corner of CT on the shore.

Welcome!

Karen


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Meadow

Hello! I just joined the group as we just spent time in Sandusky, Ohio
at the first ever Unschoolers Winter Waterpark Gathering...we are so
inspired now to broaden our community of unschoolers. We have a 10
year old daughter and a 6.5 year old boy and we've always been
unschoolers. Luckily for us, when I was pregnant with our oldest, a
friend handed me a copy of the Teenage Liberation Handbook and
introduced me to the idea of unschooling. We decided then and there
that this was the life for us and we truly love it. It gets better all
the time. We live in Evansville, Indiana (transplanted from Colorado)
and would really like to meet some like-minded families - so if anyone
is at all local-ish, I'd love to hear from you. I look forward to
being a part of this group!
Peace,
Meadow, Kirk, Indigo and Tashi

Susanne

Hello all,

I am a new member to this group. My name is Susanne, I am mother of 3,5 year old Veerle and we live in Rotterdam, The Netherlands. I work as a video editor, volunteer as a La Leche League leader and have a deep passion for natural parenting and gooooood food (as in delicious, not necessarily healthy).

Because I really disliked school, I decided while in high school even, to homeschool my children without a curriculum. I was thrilled to find the unschooling philosophy on my journey when looking for ways and means to homeschool my daughter, and especially radical unschooling gave me many insights.

I hope to learn and share on this list.

Bye, Susanne

thecugals

--- In [email protected], "Susanne" <suboeki@...> wrote:
--we live in Rotterdam, The Netherlands--

I thought homeschooling was illegal in NL unless the child was physically unable to go to school.

Beth C.

Sandra Dodd

-=-I thought homeschooling was illegal in NL unless the child was
physically unable to go to school.-=-

I've two orders for The Big Book of Unschooling from the Netherlands
this week. Something's happening.

Sandra

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Susanne

Well, not illegal, it doesn't 'exist' officially. In the '60's a law was passed that changed the obligatory learning for children in compulsory school attendance (I hope this is clear enough in my recreational English). Homeschooling was no longer allowed.

But you can have, by law, 'reasonable doubt' about the philosophies and religions the schools in the surroundings of 25 km from your home have. If none of them match your own religion or lifestyle philosophy, you can get exemption from the compulsory school attendance. You don't have to school your kids then, though all parents who go through the trouble of finding out how to keep their kids at home, off course DO school their kids, this is without even taking the unschooling thoughts in account, off course.
This is all mostly easy to do when your children haven't gone to school ever. If they did go to school at first, it is harder to 'proof' your reasonable doubt because you did, once, seem to agree enough with a nearby school's philosophy to send your children to that school.
Many parents end up in court, fighting for the right to homeschool. Most win, I think, but I'm not sure.

So people do, even legally, homeschool in Holland. In Germany it is totally illegal, I think, but not here.

Bye, Susanne

ps: and please excuse me for my 'illegal' introduction post, it wasn't after I posted it, that I found the list rules in my inbox.

--- In [email protected], "thecugals" <thecugals@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "Susanne" <suboeki@> wrote:
> --we live in Rotterdam, The Netherlands--
>
> I thought homeschooling was illegal in NL unless the child was physically unable to go to school.
>
> Beth C.
>

Mirjam Koopmans

Hi Beth,



It's not illegal, but it depends on where you live :-( if you'll be getting
in trouble or not.



Homeschooling is not technically recognized by Dutch law. However, many are
able to obtain a religious exemption to compulsory education (HSLDA site).



But there is a growing number of homeschoolers in Holland!! :-):-)



Mirjam :-), a Dutch homeschooler in the UK and learning so much from this
list and Sandra's book (!!!); started reading this week and love it!





Groetjes, Mirjam :o), met Adam (8), Boaz (5) en Levi (2).

http://www.leermeer.blogspot.com <http://www.leermeer.blogspot.com/>

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of thecugals
Sent: vrijdag 26 maart 2010 13:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: introduction







--- In AlwaysLearning@ <mailto:AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Susanne" <suboeki@...> wrote:
--we live in Rotterdam, The Netherlands--

I thought homeschooling was illegal in NL unless the child was physically
unable to go to school.

Beth C.





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Mirjam Koopmans

I reccomended your book :-), together with Eva Witsel, who is also on this
list :-)



Groetjes, Mirjam :o), met Adam (8), Boaz (5) en Levi (2).

http://www.leermeer.blogspot.com <http://www.leermeer.blogspot.com/>

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Sandra Dodd
Sent: vrijdag 26 maart 2010 14:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: introduction





-=-I thought homeschooling was illegal in NL unless the child was
physically unable to go to school.-=-

I've two orders for The Big Book of Unschooling from the Netherlands
this week. Something's happening.

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-But you can have, by law, 'reasonable doubt' about the philosophies
and religions the schools in the surroundings of 25 km from your home
have. If none of them match your own religion or lifestyle philosophy,
you can get exemption from the compulsory school attendance. -=-

Maybe someone could set up a computer to make maps to show places to
live where people are 25 km from any but one or two schools to make it
easier. :-)

-=-If they did go to school at first, it is harder to 'proof' your
reasonable doubt because you did, once, seem to agree enough with a
nearby school's philosophy to send your children to that school.-=-

How could you know you agree until you try it?
And people can change religions and beliefs, surely.

Interesting!

Sandra

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Susanne

*Maybe someone could set up a computer to make maps to show places to
live where people are 25 km from any but one or two schools to make it
easier. :-)*

Could have been easier, if Holland would have been a lot bigger and had less people living here- we are with 16,5 million people on a tiny part of land, the population density is about 400 people per km2. So wherever you go, loads of people and schools...


*How could you know you agree until you try it?
And people can change religions and beliefs, surely.*

Basically you can only get exemption with some known life philosophies or religions, and all the schools in Holland are either public or based on a religion or philosophy. Changing religion is def. a very good way to go to get exemption after school attendance, but some people don't like that option.

*Interesting!*

and weird...

Bye, Susanne

evawitsel

---Maybe someone could set up a computer to make maps to show places to live where people are 25 km from any but one or two schools to make it easier. :-) ---

The Netherlands is a very very small country with more than 16,5 million people living here. It is not possible to live anywhere that's 25 km away from a school. Usually there are at least 10-20 schools within that area.

---And people can change religions and beliefs, surely.---

That's what Dutch parents usually do when they want to homeschool their children that have already been to school. It is what we did anyway, my son went to school for three months and when we took him out of school, we had to claim we had suddenly adopted a new religion <g> Ah well, there are worse things in life, we don't have to prove we are actually practizing our religion <g> And now my son get's to stay home and that's wonderful!

Carole Lovesey

There was a post this week on one of the UK lists about a Dutch Home
Education Festival, which is being organised for the 3rd year running
this May .....

http://www.hetof.com/

There are photos from last year's festival on the Dutch part of the
site ......

http://www.hetof.nl/page1.php

Carole
+ Tess (6) & Brodie (4)
Hampshire, UK


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Sandra Dodd

-=There was a post this week on one of the UK lists about a Dutch Home
Education Festival, which is being organised for the 3rd year running
this May .....

http://www.hetof.com/ -=-

I've added that to the Netherlands links here:
http://sandradodd.com/world

As we're on the subject, if anyone has time and knowledge of regional
resources I should add there (the more unschooling the better; I can't
list all home education stuff in the world), please let me know.

Sandra



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