RVB: You can use ice trays, covered with foil to stick popsicle sticks into, too.
reneecabatic: Xander freezes anything in any plastic container and then uses a fork to scrape it out and eat
AussieTammy: then the other thing I worry about is that "all" they're eating is ice blocks, which is really just like drinking
all day, not really food. I guess they'll eat what they need though.
reneecabatic: Some days--especially hot days--all I can "eat" is liquid
SandraDodd: [Boomerings, by Discovery Toys]
And they fit into ice cube spots perfectly, and they're washable in the dishwasher.
AussieTammy: oh cute! I could make mini ice blocks. Thanks Sandra!
SandraDodd: We've tried using other things, but these really keep the juice frozen to the handle.
I thought measuring spoons should work, but they didn't.
LauraBowman: i have those rings...tried selling DT years ago...not my thing...but my kids still play with them.
AussieTammy: It is summer here. I guess eating liquid makes sense!
LauraBowman: great idea!!
SandraDodd: Tammy, we have a thing here that's very inexpensive. It's basically kool-aid (can someone translate
American to Australian when necessary please?) in plastic tubes.
AussieTammy: I know what kool-aid is ..:-)
SandraDodd: They're purchased thawed, and then you freeze them when you want to. cut the top off and squeeze up the
AussieTammy: yeah, we get those too.
SandraDodd: I know what lilly-pilly jelly is, too, but some things are UNNATURAL to know.
LauraBowman: never been a fan of those...they make me cough, but the kids like them
SandraDodd: So... abundance. Important concept. Kids can't choose to stop unless they had the choice NOT to stop.
AussieTammy: I guess I need to make sure there actually is an abundance and that will solve things.
I start thinking "I only made 12, and you've eaten 8 already, let's save some for tomorrow!"
AussieTammy: So having plenty would be better than stopping them before they're ready.
SandraDodd: Maybe an assortment of abundance. ,g> maybe find all the little plastic cups you can and make TOO
MANY of whatever juice is on sale or something. ALL kinds of shapes and flavors.
That's how it works, Tammy.
For getting people to pay to get back into the circus, "Always leave 'em wanting more" makes sense. For helping kids
really know when they're hungry or not, it's all ass backwards.
LauraBowman: i love abundance because i grew up with scarcity. i still feel it. like that last chip is the last chip forever
Alan (Guest76): me too, life long food issues my children will never have or even be able to imagine
SandraDodd: Me too, Laura . We grew up with measuring and counting food. There were four girls and two parents, and
so if a dozen somethings came into the house, TWO were mine. Never, ever three. Two. I would not under any
circumstances share my two.
So when I grew up and a dozen could be all mine, I ate too much.
AussieTammy: you know what I'm doing today right? running to the shops to buy juice on sale and make dozens and
dozens of ice blocks! .:-P
LauraBowman: yay tammy!
reneecabatic: YAY!! ice block partay!
SandraDodd: Frozen juice is good for that. It's been frozen already.
LauraBowman: i never did the overeat thing....but i always want to!!
Alan (Guest76): I gained weight as a pre-teen, and was never left alone about it. insured i'd stay overweight
RVB: I wonder if the concept of abundance also means that parents think "well, they can have as much as they want, until
they stop. And I hope that the stopping will happen soon, if I just give into this today. They will stop, won't they?"
What happens if they don't "stop"?
LauraBowman: i don't like the idea of "giving in"
SandraDodd: If the parents are indicating that worry in any subtle way, it doesn't work.
Laura, of giving in what to whom?
AussieTammy: since I've started reminding myself that I can have chocolate cake or cookies or whatever I feel like
whenever I want, I've actually started saying no more often. Now I just need to trust that my kids will do the same.
LauraBowman: what RVB said...."just give in today." i prefer not to think of it that way
RVB: I think that's important, not to worry even in a subtle way.
Alan (Guest76): ***So when I grew up and a dozen could be all mine, I ate too much. *** yes, that's me. There's an
empty bag of chips right here to prove it
SandraDodd: I think it's WAy easier for kids than adults. They don't have all those years of messages in their heads.
(If they're lucky; if we don't fill them up with mom-recordings)
None of my kids will eat if they're not hungry. It's very, very cool.
So Tammy's other concern is getting kids to try new foods.
LauraBowman: i've been seeing that more and more over the last year and a half of my letting go of control.
RVB: I was really thinking of folks new to the concept of abundance. Perhaps the hope is that with limits off, kids will
grow tired of what they have a lot of. They might continue to say "yes" to what's offered.
Alan (Guest76): it never stops amazing me and my dd is only 6
reneecabatic: I used to do that--think well, if I let tham have a bunch they'll do the "right" thing-- all the while thinking: oh,
I hope they quit now!
RVB: I meant "BUT, they might continue to say "yes" to what's offered.
SandraDodd: People do that with TV and video games, too, hoping that letting them make choices will lead to the "ideal"
never choosing it at all.
SandraDodd: And some people do.
reneecabatic: Of course--it backfired--they new I was going to take it away
SandraDodd: Some teens whose families own game systems never play them.
reneecabatic: I had to really change the WAY I thought about what I was doing
SandraDodd: Ah. There's that BIG factor. And that's why the wife swap shows will never, ever work for unschoolers.
LauraBowman: and sometimes watching tv or playing video games is what they really truly want to do "all the time"...we
never think "if i let her read all she wants, eventually she won't do it so much"
Alan (Guest76): some people might like to a lot and not have a perfectly healthy weight and diet. for some reason we (our
culture) seem to think that's a disaster
SandraDodd: Anyone "trying" unschooling on a measured trial basis can do nothing but turn the children into maniacal
grasping hooting monkeys, because they KNOW this is ending in a week, or two weeks, or a month
reneecabatic: I am still changing it---my thinking, that is
Alan (Guest76): "like to eat a lot" sorry
RVB: Ooh, maniacal grasping hooting monkey! I like that.
LauraBowman: I've never watched a wife swap with unschoolers...sounds horridly scary!! it could be so easily twisted
SandraDodd: My kids have never been crazed like that, because they had a lot of freedom since before they knew it was
any big deal.
Alan (Guest76): and that irrational anxiety probably leads to the morbidly obese, serious health issue that plague some
Americans (in particular)
SandraDodd: It's interesting to go to unschooling conferences and be able to spot those whose freedoms are temporary
for the length of the conference, and they don't really have those choices at home.
AussieTammy: One of these days I want to save up and come to a conference over there!
RVB: I remember a Valentine's party we attended - the kids whose sugar was controlled went crazy. Michelle said "no
thanks" when offered chocolate, cookies or whatever.
SandraDodd: Alan, I bet so. Once you tell someone that obesity is rejection and death, why should they do anything but
just BE there? It's like bad grades in school. Little children are branded failures, and so they have no incentive to be any
Tammy, it would be less expensive for Australians to pool money and bring some speakers or good-example families
Alan (Guest76): yes, and they become anti-intelletual, being smart isn't cool
SandraDodd: Being smart is stupid.
and books are stupid.
Alan (Guest76): lol
Schuyler: Time it for the next visit we'll make to Australia and David and I could come.
SandraDodd: And I've seen health food mavens cause that in their kids, about healthy food.
Schuyler: Sorry, just dropped in, know nothing about what is going on and saw Sandra's comment about pooling money
LauraBowman: that was me sandra...i did that with my ideas of "healthy"
SandraDodd: Whatever the parents have required absolutely, and touted as "have to," the kids decide to never ever choose,
when they have a choice (sometimes, not always)
AussieTammy: I used to be like that with healthy food. I'm glad we're letting go of it while they're still so young.
RVB: We'd come to Australia, too. My husband has clients and we have friends to visit.
LauraBowman: me too tammy
Schuyler: Or they always feel guilty about the other food they eat, the stuff they were denied
SandraDodd: There can come a sin reaction, too.
Schuyler: They never eat anything without it being seasoned with the emotional aspects of good food versus bad food
Alan (Guest76): i'll come to Australia, my family's a good example of unschooling, really, I promise
AussieTammy: oh wow, this could be wonderful! I would love to meet some real-life unschoolers!
SandraDodd: If one has eaten one cookie, they might as well eat them all, because they've already "blown it"--sinned.
RVB: You have some there, already, Tammy.
LauraBowman: those are words i have finally figured out i had to get rid of...good vs. bad for food...it just doesn't make
reneecabatic: guilty food is not healthy food
AussieTammy: I know there must be others around, I just haven't found them yet
RVB: Yeah, and Australia's big!
Schuyler: But the population is largely on the coasts
RVB: Ah, yes, the beautiful coasts....
AussieTammy: the population of unschoolers? or Australians in general?
SandraDodd: Laura it's so hard sometimes for me/people who did that years ago to endure the taunts of the moms who
come and say I (or people like me) are too stupid to know the difference between a twinkie and a banana.
AussieTammy: I'm near the coast
LauraBowman: well they are both yellow
SandraDodd: There hasn't been a twinkie in this house for YEARS and years (since a schooled-kid bought some and
brought them here)
RVB: And kinda pale inside
SandraDodd: And we have bananas all the time. But if I even say that, to new unschoolers, they might say "SEE? You
know bananas are better and Twinkies are junk."
Alan (Guest76): i'm a vegan, and have strong feelings about the poor quality of a lot of processed foods. I've had to
realize that anxiety and stress about food does just as much harm as any food
SandraDodd: Uh.... it's not that simple.
AussieTammy: Alan, is your whole family vegan?
SandraDodd: At least Twinkies are local. I should get points with the eat-local group. Bananas are
from drug-producing tropical nations.
RVB: My daughter would choose meat or fish over Twinkies or bananas.
SandraDodd: So Tammy, about trying new foods...
I want to examine your motives.
Alan (Guest76): my wife is, my daughter started out so as a natural extension, but now she eats meat. my 5 mo just
LauraBowman: we're all vegetarians except my husband who is a chef
SandraDodd: Do you want them to eat more adult foods? To learn to eat more foods so you can go to more restaurants?
To try foods when they're guests, for reasons of etiquette?
Alan (Guest76): no dairy for dd because of a gluten/ casien sensitivity. another complication, but not a source of stress.
there's just no dairy around
SandraDodd: When my kids were little and I wanted them to try something, or they wanted to try something but were
afraid they might not like it, I always said "If you don't like it, you can spit it in my hand."
AussieTammy: we don't do restaurants much. they're too little and too active to sit still for long
SandraDodd: And I'd let them spit right there and then go and clean my hands.
AussieTammy: we do that too. they know they're welcome to spit it in my hand.
SandraDodd: I think it helped partly because it was amusing, and an honest and generous "back-up" offer. More often
than not they didn't like the thing they tasted. At least enough to finish the one taste.
Alan (Guest76): my dd does that without the offer beforehand, lol
SandraDodd: With Holly, she wanted to smell foods, and often would decide based on that alone. She's 17 now and a
pretty brave adventurer, with foods, though she's never liked beef or pork much unless it's ground to nothingness, maybe.
She probably won't wait for a hand, at her age!
(Sorry... Alan's daughter, not mine!!)
AussieTammy: My son (18mo) will try just about anything once. My daughter on the other hand, looks at it and
proclaims "I don't like it!"
SandraDodd: So Tammy...
How old are they again, and what are you hoping they'll try? Any particular class of food or social situation in mind?
AussieTammy: 18months and 3years - still very young!
LauraBowman: what are you wanting them to try?
SandraDodd: There are instincts in operation here, and that's good. Any three-year-old willing to tast anything she could
see or find would be in serious danger outside with plants with seeds and such.
Our culture has take most foods far from their origins, if not physically, in appearance.
AussieTammy: I don't know - anything!
LauraBowman: surely they are eating something
AussieTammy: I'm getting frustrated by the limitations DD seems to give herself.
SandraDodd: Parental motivation and intention are really important to consider here.
LauraBowman: maybe she has a good reason
SandraDodd: She's three. You have all kinds of foods in the house.
You're not limiting her to rice or poi.
reneecabatic: I have asked my kids to say "I don't care for that" rather than make faces and say "EEEEEWW YUCK--that
is disgusting"--they don't have to try anything if they don't want to
they try lots of foods
AussieTammy: Part of it is leftover from my own childhood, I'm sure. We had to try one bite of a new food before we
could say we didn't like it.
reneecabatic: Xander won't try anything white and creamy--he's lactose intolerant and knows to avoid that substance
one bite could hurt him
LauraBowman: we asked Sadie to try pizza over and over and over. she eventually did, and liked it for awhile. Now after a
year and a half of freedom she no longer chooses it...says she really doesn't like it.
AussieTammy: And I won't force her to eat new food. But I guess the idea is still there that "you can't know you don't
like it till you try it".
RVB: Smell and visual appeal is important to adults - it should also be allowed to be important to children.
reneecabatic: maybe there are things about pizza she likes and other things she doesn't
Schuyler: But maybe she doesn't like how it looks. I hated lots of food simply because of how it looked.
LauraBowman: it's the sauce she doesn't like. We always order something different for her when we get pizza
Schuyler: Being able to choose what I ate wasn't an often if I hadn't tried it
So I would lie about where I had tried it.
I didn't start exploring food until I was in my 30s
I stuck with what I trusted and didn't balk at
option, not often, sorry
LauraBowman: i still don't try many new foods.
Schuyler: Simon doesn't like tomato paste on pizza, he likes just cheese grated on the top with potatoes and bacon and
AussieTammy: I guess I'll keep making the stuff she loves, offering new things occasionally, and I will be okay if she
doesn't want to try it.
Alan (Guest76): I naturally just eat a few staples. in my twenties I ate only rice and a few veggies for weeks at a time
Schuyler: Offer new stuff regularly, if you are eating new stuff
Don't be afraid of her no, and don't make a big deal out of it
RVB: I still do that, Tammy, with my almost 14 year old.
AussieTammy: She tried pear the other day when I put it on a monkey platter. Maybe that's the way to introduce new
SandraDodd: Tammy, most little kids love bland.
Even salt might be too much.
Pepper might ruin the meal completely.
Schuyler: Little kids have more taste buds than adults do.
LauraBowman: bland or lightly sweet....like breastmilk
Schuyler: They literally taste more than adults do.
reneecabatic: Monkey platters and buffet restaurants are great ways to introduce new things
Schuyler: If you know the song by They Might Be Giants, Supertaster, it's applicable to children
JennyC: Obviously there are exceptions, since Margaux loved flavor and spicy
LauraBowman: my husband jokes that i still have all my tastebuds!!
reneecabatic: my husband is still a super taster!
SandraDodd: Buffet restaurants. Marty used to get ALL white food. I was thinking the kid cited above who avoids white
and creamy could've gone partners with Marty
LauraBowman: i was labeled a picky eater as a child
SandraDodd: There are exceptions, but a young child who likes spicy can get it.
JennyC: I call it discerning taste
SandraDodd: One whose parents think she SHOULD like spicy might not find anything plain enough to eat
reneecabatic: his sister ate the totally white diet for a couple of months--Jack prat and all that!
RVB: My brother-in-law (45) still eats all white plates of food.
SandraDodd: Some cooks think they're not done until they've screwed the food up with stinky powders from long-dead
Seriously, some people cook with spices as the main ingredient.
Schuyler: Someone called me a gastronome a while ago, it completely flabbergasted me, I was always called a finicky
JennyC: I kept giving her bland, and she kept trying to eat my not so bland food! Chamille liked bland
reneecabatic: spicey is a sweet
SandraDodd: Little kids, more than anyone, need plain and recognizable simple things.
How else will they learn what they like or what makes their stomachs hurt or whatever, if they don't get to see and taste
the ingredients in their own real forms?
LauraBowman: me too
RVB: I'm always happy to see "pasta with butter" on kids' menus. It was Michelle's choice for years.
SandraDodd: Jenny, there y'go. If they have a choice, they can make a choice
Holly still wants Ramen or Kraft mac'n'cheese for comfort food.
AussieTammy: pasta with butter and cheese is a standby here
RVB: Yup, Michelle, too. I should have said "still her choice"!
Alan (Guest76): home made french fries
Schuyler: It's good food, pasta with butter and cheese
JennyC: I'm jumping in the middle of the conversation, so I could be way out of context... I just thought immediately of
Margaux and how she really surprised me with her love of spicy, which she called sour
Schuyler: Linnaea liked Bombay mix when she was little. She doesn't like it so much now, but does like a spicy japanese
It was available, along with many other options, because David and I liked them.
JennyC: Margaux doesn't like spicy as much, but she likes really complex flavors
SandraDodd: what is bombay mix, Schuyler?
JennyC: anymore, I mean
Alan (Guest76): my dd is fascinated with "spicy" she calls dr. pepper "spicy" she's working up to trying it. we've
purchased it and opened it, but she has yet to try a sip
RVB: Kids are surprising! Last night, I was making pasta with butter and cheese for Michelle, while we had
Indian Butter Chicken. Michelle isn't fond of spicy. But she came downstairs and said "that looks good." I gave her a
taste of mine.
She wanted more and wants it again for dinner tonight.
Schuyler: Dr. Pepper disturbed me when my grandma told me it had prunes in it.
I wouldn't drink it for a long time after that.
RVB: It does?
reneecabatic: prunes are good!!!
JennyC: good for grandma to drink!
Schuyler: I didn't like prunes so I couldn't like Dr. Pepper
RVB: I love prunes, but can't stand Dr. Pepper.
AussieTammy: bhuja mix! my hubby eats that and DD will try it occasionally
Alan (Guest76): hippy vegans like us make pasta with nutritional yeast and flax oil.
SandraDodd: OH, FINE! I passed the spicy Japanese crackers over to my friend Ben, who's sitting across on Holly's
computer, and now he's gotten up to get us each a DP. You people are Bad INFLUENCES
JennyC: I just told Chamille that Dr Pepper, something she likes, is made with prunes and she wrinkled her nose in
RVB: I like nutritional yeast - it's cheesy!
Schuyler: It's good on popcorn
Schuyler: Linnaea really likes it and soy sauce on popcorn
reneecabatic: it's good on any steamed vegie
JennyC: Thanks Schuyler, Chamille is happy now
Schuyler: Glad to have stopped someone else from disliking Dr. Pepper because of lies
SandraDodd: So what about popcorn toppings or additives?
That's an easy and fairly inexpensive thing for little kids
JennyC: Margaux likes it with a special carmel sauce I make
SandraDodd: And if they don't like it, you can throw it out into the compost with good effect.
JennyC: Chamille likes it plain
reneecabatic: chili and lime
Alan (Guest76): olive oil on popcorn if one likes the tasts
SandraDodd: Jenny, what? like what? Making popcorn balls? Or what?
RVB: Michelle likes it with butter, lots of it.
JennyC: no drizzling over the top like butter and salt
AussieTammy: I love caramel popcorn. The kids like popcorn with butter and salt.
RVB: Does anyone remember pink popcorn?
reneecabatic: b-b-q powders--like rubs
JennyC: My niece and her dad invented this little recipe of caramel sauce and shared it with the rest of the family
SandraDodd: Pink popcorn balls, at Halloween, I remember
reneecabatic: oh--and our fave is cinnamon sugar
SandraDodd: Jenny, or anyone, if you want to send any recipes later I'll add them to the follow-up page.
AussieTammy: how do you colour popcorn? she would love it if I could make pink popcorn.
RVB: I used to love pink popcorn. We got it in bags. It was pink sugar, I'm sure. Sort of like caramel, but not as sticky.
AussieTammy: actually, if I could make all food pink, she'd try a lot more
JennyC: I'll send that one, it's good, a little like a cross of kettle corn and carmeled popcorn
LauraBowman: we use olive oil and salt...sometimes nutritional yeast too. or spritz braggs
RVB: There's an idea - make all food pink!!
Schuyler: I'm gonna go watch The Truman Show.
JennyC: I would eat everything on my plate when we had beets, because it turned everything pink, when I was a kid
RVB: Maybe google "pink food" and see what you come up with.
JennyC: bye Schuyler
RVB: Bye Schuyler.
AussieTammy: she's just noticed the background on this page actually and started saying "pink iceblock, yummy"
SandraDodd: Pickled eggs with beets make pink boiled eggs.
Do you have that there, tammy?
JennyC: Chamille, at 14, almost 15, bought ice cream based on the color, just yesterday!
AussieTammy: no, don't think so. but we could make some
SandraDodd: Ben suggests bubble-gum ice cream, that's pink.
RVB: You could add strawberry or raspberry syrup, if you can find it, to regular lemonade.
SandraDodd: Cherry Garcia is pink and brown
AussieTammy: our ice cream doesn't come in nearly as many flavours as yours
SandraDodd: I don't know what Australia has in the way of fancy ice cream.
AussieTammy: we were over there a couple of years ago, and I was just wishing I could pack a suitcase full of ice-cream
to bring home
Alan (Guest76): God bless Amerida
RVB: There are too many ice cream flavors for me!
Alan (Guest76): America, my hand slipped
RVB: Too many choices .
I might have to try all of them.
AussieTammy: I would happily try all of them.
I'm trying to think of the name of the one I really loved so you guys can tell me what's in it and I can try and recreate it
Moose something? With chocolate and nuts I think. Yummo.
JennyC: you can also freeze chocolate dipped bananas
AussieTammy: I'll try that. They drink smoothies.
LauraBowman: any direction for this last half hour???
SandraDodd: Do you have a request, Laura?
AlexPolyKow: My son loves monkey platters (we call it goodies plate)
SandraDodd: Or Tammy, anything else you want to draw out of the assembled group?
LauraBowman: just curious
JennyC: Smoothies are a neverending variety of things mixed together
SandraDodd: If someone names a direction, there's a direction.
AussieTammy: No, you guys have been great. Lots of good ideas, thanks
AlexPolyKow: I really need more ideas for simple foods here , The monkey platter already helped
SandraDodd: That platter page will have photos in a couple of week. I already have a few collected for "the contest!" and
Now I'm hoping for an all-pink platter picture!
JennyC: cookie cutters and sandwiches are nice things to combine
AlexPolyKow: we are stuck we the same old - my son does not like mixed stuff or dipping
LauraBowman: i keep wanting to ask questions that start with how...but i seem to already know the answers before i ask
them. it's not really the how part i guess. it's still an internal struggle that is becoming more and more less external.
SandraDodd: Laura, you could ask anyway. It could be more like pep talk and mental-massage, if you already know.
AussieTammy: I want to do a bunch of single colour monkey platters now, just for fun. but I'll start with pink.
SandraDodd: Maybe just hearing the same thing in different words will help?
Guest69: I love the idea of monkey platters but seem to need to do one for each child or they result in arguing about
JennyC: Juice gelatin with odd things stuck in them, like gummy frogs
LauraBowman: it almost ALWAYS helps me to hear the same things over and over again until they are drilled in real
AlexPolyKow: I make one big one and they share
JennyC: us too
SandraDodd: Ben says Burger King has "apple fries" too
AlexPolyKow: sometimes I split in two plates if they want separate
JennyC: I do it more often when there are a lot of kids here
SandraDodd: Slices of apple
as an option for kid-meals, I guess
But they're shaped like fries
JennyC: I usually make a big platter and put out little plates
AlexPolyKow: That too Jenny
LauraBowman: i think they come with some godawful carmel dip too
SandraDodd: Wendy's has mandarin oranges
JennyC: peanut butter is a nice dip for apples
AlexPolyKow: My son is more picky. Nothing can be mixed
LauraBowman: and you can choose milk instead of a soda!!
for kid's meals
AlexPolyKow: My son likes chocolate shake and my daughter diet coke ( because of dad) she ends up drinking my
LauraBowman: i would like a little one liner to run by myself when that knee jerk reaction kicks in to super-push the
AussieTammy: yes, that would be helpful for me too
Well Diana/hahamommy has a visual, not an affirmation so much. But the idea that if your child were to die soon, how
important would this or that be?
LauraBowman: breathing helps...and saying "it's okay, it really is"
AlexPolyKow: A good think to do Laura is to just give your child what she wants and then make a monkey platter with
several different options of healthy stuff plus whatever makes you feel is " bad" and offer
SandraDodd: (I didn't like my foods mixed or touching when I was a kid.)
AlexPolyKow: That is my son
LauraBowman: wow, Sandra!! i don't think anything you've ever said has ever had the impact that just did!!
Guest69: we have 4 kids and typically cant afford the "happy meals" so I get a thing of apples and a thing of fries and
everyone is happy to split them
AlexPolyKow: My kids are so great about sharing their food.
LauraBowman: that's going on the fridge!!!
JennyC: what about stuff like hummus?
AlexPolyKow: They will give each other their cookies, candy, whatever
AussieTammy: I've started writing mantras on my notice board. Right now it says "JOY" with lots of smilie faces
JennyC: if you make it yourself you can make it very bland
AussieTammy: and also "Find a way to say YES"
JennyC: Chamille used to like cottage cheese and pineapple
AlexPolyKow: I gave my son a bag of Hershey chocolate eggs and he asked me to keep them fro him for eastern so i
could hide them and he could find them- no need to eat them now
JennyC: Yes, to yes!
Guest69: i have a child with peanut and milk allergies. would love ideas for dips for him. he likes to dip things and likes
ketchup and guacamole (sometimes)
JennyC: have you tried any of the non-dairy cream cheese?
that stuff is GOOD!
Guest69: I've never seen it
LauraBowman: 69...can he eat cashews or almonds...they make nice butters too
AlexPolyKow: Gigi went to the grocery store yesterday with dad and both her brother chocolate chip cookies and some
other box of candy she knows he likes. She turned 3 last month
Guest69: he eats sunbutter. never really trusted nut butters
JennyC: guest 69, are you in the US?
JennyC: the stuff I get is called Better Than Cream Cheese
Toffuti makes one too
SandraDodd: Come on in, though guest4. We're talking about food
Alan (Guest76): hummus made with just chickpeas, oil, and salt.
Guest69: I will definitely look that one up. we have that brand icecream at our kroger
JennyC: BBQ sauce is good for dipping too
AussieTammy: we like to mix cream cheese (or the tofutti one) with a can of refried beans, heated just slightly. it's thick,
but great for dipping tortilla chips.
LauraBowman: you can make a good chocolate dip with avocadoes!! mash up with honey and cocoa
AlexPolyKow: salsa with cream cheese is great too
JennyC: It sounds weird and decadent, I might have to try that!
Alan (Guest76): btcc folks also make a sour cream sub, it's thinner, good on chips
Guest69: laura- like choc sauce or powder
LauraBowman: cocoa powder
or carob if you like
SandraDodd: with apples, sometimes just cutting them a new way is fun enough.
JennyC: we buy the non dairy sour cream too. I make a really good ranch dressing with it
LauraBowman: apples sliced to show the star in the middle is fun
Alan (Guest76): add olives tu hummus and process
JennyC: The greek olives?
AlexPolyKow: Sometimes I offer my son something new or he wants to try and he just touches his tongue and tells me
that he will like ti when he grows up.
AussieTammy: sundried tomatoes blended into hummus is nice too.
SandraDodd: If your kids are used to wedges, maybe run one through a food processor or cut them like rings (cored and
round, as for drying)
LauraBowman: when I make hummus I always have to make extra chick peas because they like those best by themselves
to eat as finger food.
Alan (Guest76): yes, greek, or green
JennyC: I discovered that both my kids will eat spinach if it's in lasagna
AussieTammy: mine like spinach and feta rolls. like a sausage roll. do you guys have sausage rolls?
Guest69: i will definitely look for the cream cheese. He likes to eat non dairy versions of foods we eat. Like soy cheese.
He is pretty particular but does eat some interesting things.
LauraBowman: Sadie likes raw spinach in a bowl spritzed with braggs/soy sauce
JennyC: edemame beans are very popular at our house
Guest69: we tried those, they were not a hit
LauraBowman: looove edemama!
Guest69: I thought they were good
Alan (Guest76): i have spinach issues, forced to eat cooked as a child, yuck!
AlexPolyKow: MD likes raw baby spinach leaves in his monkey platter
JennyC: both my girls like inari rolls, they are time consuming to make, but you can make a ton and they last a while and
can be eaten warm or cold
Guest69: we had sausage balls the other day and the kids loved those
Guest4: That sounds like it's missing "on a stick"
JennyC: I am going to make sloppy joes today, as a request from one of my kids. That's easy and messy and relatively
SandraDodd: Kirby's second Christmas box arrived today. Today, March 4
Guest69: they are great, sausage, biscuick and chedder cheese
SandraDodd: I mailed it December 10.
He's moving out of the apartments into a house, today
and went to the office to ask for some cleaning supplies or something, and they said he had a package.
JennyC: I've got to go all, I'm in high demand right now.... bye all
SandraDodd: But in the package was a tin of (bye, Jenny) rum balls
I made him
AussieTammy: Bye Jenny
Guest4: Were they still good?
AlexPolyKow: bye Jenny
SandraDodd: and a Ninja turtle lunchbox full of bizcochitos.
Still good. !
And some ho ho ho boxer shorts and Christmas candles he'll just have to save for next year.
When he checked several times in December and January it was never there, so he gave up.
My food story of the day
Alan (Guest76): my dd ate 5 popsicles during this chat so far
AlexPolyKow: The other day I had kids over at my house that are not really limited but candy and stuff is scarce in
their home and they could not stop eating all the candy and chocolate I had in my house
Alan (Guest76): you are not alone, tammy
AussieTammy: My kids just stopped eating chocolate on their own. They brought me the block, and every time they
asked for more, I broke more off for them. I thought we would finish the block. But they've stopped on their own and
have moved onto dancing around
the living room now
LauraBowman: i have a yummy recipe i used to make a long time ago and haven't in years and i just thought of it.
AlexPolyKow: I think they feel their parents don't really feel confident letting him eat certain things
SandraDodd: Laura, I'd be glad to add any recipes you want to send, or links to where they are online or something.
AlexPolyKow: I would love recipes and new ideas
AussieTammy: I have a good link for popcorn recipes somewhere, let me find it
SandraDodd: Here's something that can be made without the meat. Cheese and flour and additives
grated apple and honey and ground nuts have breen a good combo.
They're good warm or cold, can be made tiny like the size of the end of your thumb, or more the size of a regular
They keep well and aren't too messy, even if you use sausage.
LauraBowman: easy carob/chocolate treats:
1/4 cup carob/cocoa powder,
1 cup nut butter of choice, 1 ripe banana -
1/4 cup chopped nuts (optional),
1/4 cup unsweetened shredded coconut (optional).
SandraDodd: Good camping food. You can take them frozen which keeps other things cold, and eat them thawed out
LauraBowman: combine all and mix well, form into a log and wrap in wax paper and freeze. slice off desired amount as
Guest69: The last week or so I have let go of alot of food controls. i have to remind myself and sometimes will backstep
but for the most part things have gone well. Having a little trouble convincing my husband
SandraDodd: !!! Laura! that's like the peanut butter balls they used to make at our school cafeteria, kind of.
They would roll them in coconut, refrigerate the long rolls, and cut them into inch-long sections for us at lunch.
Not with chocolate or peanut butter, but how cool that will be! I'm making those for sure.
AlexPolyKow: Sandra do you have links to those videos and limiting that bbc has and pbs?
One is on Joyce's site ( the PBS video link )
on her first link about food.
The other is here:
down on how to feed you kids/ does forbidding snacks work
Hope it helps!
SandraDodd: I have some fancy nut butter from the health food store. Pistachio and almond I think
Alan (Guest76): g69 - congrats, good for you
LauraBowman: i like the frozen aspect of most anything =)
SandraDodd: alex, don't know what you mean
AlexPolyKow: They could be really good to help dads
LauraBowman: frozen = yum
AussieTammy: frozen grapes = better than candy!
SandraDodd: guest69, until your husband feels better about it, maybe think of it saying yes more, instead of "letting go."
LauraBowman: alex...those links are on joyce's site i think???
AlexPolyKow: There are two videos on food, one by bbc and the other by pbs on limitting foods and how it backfires,
they show how children react to limits
SandraDodd: I'm willing to put links to Joyce's links or whatever.
If you know where they are, please send me a note.
Guest69: i have been looking at it definitely as saying yes more. he has seen that and I think my example has helped
LauraBowman: yes, tammy i agree with that...when they go on .99 sale...i buy about 40 pounds to freeze!!
AlexPolyKow: I will look for them
SandraDodd: I might not finish the follow-up page of this until next week,
because I need to go to Arizona Friday morning and I'm not altogether prepared for that
Guest69: but the philosophy behind it he just won't agree to.
SandraDodd: So that gives you all a few days to send me cool stuff for it!
AlexPolyKow: Sure I will get them sometime no worries
I know I can find them somewhere
SandraDodd: Guest69, look in the other food chat at some of what Schuyler's husband wrote about food controls and the
effect, especially on girls.
search for "David"and I think you'll find them easier.
David works at a medical school, teaching, so it must be true!
Alan (Guest76): there was a mainstream news report last year, i'll look for it
Guest69: will do. we are actually both great examples of people who had very strict controls on our food intake
SandraDodd: There's a page on longterm effects on my food page, too. And my first attempt at a random link generator.
AlexPolyKow: Last time Schuyler was here with David and the kids, Simon was all into eating peaches and nectarines
despite all the cookies, chocolate and candy we always have at home
WERE here! ..;-)
Guest4: David's ideas make sense. Looking at it from a survival perspective, if a food is desired and is also in low supply,
then we'll have an urge to get as much as we can because it is scarce.
Or Schuyler or whoever's idea it was
Sandra - this is the report I mentioned in the March 4th food chat. When I found it I was reminded that it was from a PBS program narrated by Alan Alda. I mentioned it towards the end when someone suggested finding scientific evidence to help convince a reluctant husband.