kind of off topic, more about the list and aberrations
Sandra Dodd
Someone who used to be on this list is posting elsewhere that I had
edited threads. I edited nothing. For the record, posts that are on
the list aren't edited.
I brought this because I just hate bullshit. I have comments at the
end.
First part is me responding to silly public claims out in public:
-=-.there is no way any other person beside Sandra or I can know the
extent our conversation because that thread has been edited and
moderated and private exchanges ignored.-=-
I edited nothing. I ignored nothing.
Guests who go into other people's homes (or lists or blogs) and start
insulting other guests will probably be asked to leave. Hostesses
have responsibilities to trusted guests who were already there.
Homeowners (and listowners, and blogowners) have more rights than
drive-by commenters have.
The implication that comments were edited by the listowner is untrue.
All e-mails were saved. It would be possible for ANYone to know what
passed, but I have better things to do than defend myself against
lies. Kirby will be 21 next month. He was unschooled throughout.
Other people's belief, disbelief, approval or disapproval can't
change his life, or Marty's, or Holly's. Sharing the details of their
lives has helped other families' lives. I won't stop doing that just
because a few people who don't want to unschool wish I would stop.
Melissa, you are kind and generous. I'm sorry someone brought strife
and meanness to your blog.
Posted by: Sandra Dodd | Jun 22, 2007 at 10:46 PM
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Not meant in a spirit of meanness or strife *at all* and this will be
my last comment on this subject on someone else's site. Anyone
wishing to discuss this with may contact me at tia AT sixredheads.com:
* I was never asked to leave Always Learning by the list owner. I
never meant to insult anyone there and apologized repeatedly to no
response. I think it was assumed I would be one more hurt and
offended woman on her list that would fade quietly into the background.
* My posts were certainly edited and I was scolded. Moreover, after
things were clearly going downhill in that discussion on the list (I
was feeling misunderstood and saddened others felt hurt by my words),
I shifted to private communication in an effort to clear things up.
This was very unsuccessful. But there are several emails in that
strain of the conversation that are invisible to anyone reading on
the list.
I am primarily disturbed by Sandra's attitude that "it doesn't
matter". She has offended several people who have tried different
levels of clearing communication for the benefit of good dialog. But
this underscores my repeated experience with her that some people
just don't matter. It is an attitude that is completely discordant
with mindfulness and the human respect unschooling is supposed to be
in support of. If her credibility and consistency does not matter to
her, what good is anything she has to say?
As I said, I'm moving on from this discussion on this website. I can
be reached at the email address above. My sincere apologies to
Melissa for the direction this discussion has gone into.
Posted by: Tia | Jun 23, 2007 at 06:59 AM
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-=- and apologized repeatedly to no response.-=-
In e-mail complaining about the list, there were repeated but
insincere seeming apologies.
It's true that I do assume that then I ask people to chill or to stop
being harsh or harrassing that they will stop, and that if they don't
want to stop they will go away. I put a "no solicitors" note on the
door yesterday. The Jehovah's Witnesses knocked anyway. Then my
phone rang and someone hung up. If someone had come into the back
yard I would've been pissed. If they'd gotten a loudspeaker and
started filling up the street with noise, that would be harrassment
and I would've called the police.
If someone goes to another place to badmouth this list it seems like
unhealthy obsession and harrassment to me.
-=-If her credibility and consistency does not matter to her, what
good is anything she has to say?-=-
I think I've been consistent for fifty three years. My "credibility"
with a person who won't even read before going off half-cocked isn't
valuable credibility. What I have to say is absolutely no good at
all to someone who can't or doesn't want to understand it. But that
doesn't mean I should change. I'm not trying to be everything to
everybody, nor everything to anyone. I'm trying to talk about
unschooling with unschoolers.
Six billion people on the planet, and one I don't even know is
obsessing about me!?
-=-I think it was assumed I would be one more hurt and offended woman
on her list that would fade quietly into the background.-=-
"Fade quietly into the background"?
"Hurt" is too strong a word for someone who came in insulting
unschoolers right off, whether it was on purpose or just clumsiness.
To anyone who would rather harrass me to change than to quietly go
elsewhere:
Get away and do something productive and real. Be with your family.
Find a list you like better. Build a pyramid of sugar cubes. Watch
all of the Monty Python videos. Make a quilt. Take your kids to
Disneyland. Go backpacking. Read all the Harry Potter books. Read
all the Patrick O'Brien novels, or Jane Austen. Plant vegetables.
Play Sudoku. here: http://www.websudoku.com/ Look at prairie dog
pictures and be glad your children are alive: http://sandradodd.com/
prairiedogs
Running around the internet obsessed about me and writing nonsense is
no good for anyone.
Sandra
edited threads. I edited nothing. For the record, posts that are on
the list aren't edited.
I brought this because I just hate bullshit. I have comments at the
end.
First part is me responding to silly public claims out in public:
-=-.there is no way any other person beside Sandra or I can know the
extent our conversation because that thread has been edited and
moderated and private exchanges ignored.-=-
I edited nothing. I ignored nothing.
Guests who go into other people's homes (or lists or blogs) and start
insulting other guests will probably be asked to leave. Hostesses
have responsibilities to trusted guests who were already there.
Homeowners (and listowners, and blogowners) have more rights than
drive-by commenters have.
The implication that comments were edited by the listowner is untrue.
All e-mails were saved. It would be possible for ANYone to know what
passed, but I have better things to do than defend myself against
lies. Kirby will be 21 next month. He was unschooled throughout.
Other people's belief, disbelief, approval or disapproval can't
change his life, or Marty's, or Holly's. Sharing the details of their
lives has helped other families' lives. I won't stop doing that just
because a few people who don't want to unschool wish I would stop.
Melissa, you are kind and generous. I'm sorry someone brought strife
and meanness to your blog.
Posted by: Sandra Dodd | Jun 22, 2007 at 10:46 PM
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Not meant in a spirit of meanness or strife *at all* and this will be
my last comment on this subject on someone else's site. Anyone
wishing to discuss this with may contact me at tia AT sixredheads.com:
* I was never asked to leave Always Learning by the list owner. I
never meant to insult anyone there and apologized repeatedly to no
response. I think it was assumed I would be one more hurt and
offended woman on her list that would fade quietly into the background.
* My posts were certainly edited and I was scolded. Moreover, after
things were clearly going downhill in that discussion on the list (I
was feeling misunderstood and saddened others felt hurt by my words),
I shifted to private communication in an effort to clear things up.
This was very unsuccessful. But there are several emails in that
strain of the conversation that are invisible to anyone reading on
the list.
I am primarily disturbed by Sandra's attitude that "it doesn't
matter". She has offended several people who have tried different
levels of clearing communication for the benefit of good dialog. But
this underscores my repeated experience with her that some people
just don't matter. It is an attitude that is completely discordant
with mindfulness and the human respect unschooling is supposed to be
in support of. If her credibility and consistency does not matter to
her, what good is anything she has to say?
As I said, I'm moving on from this discussion on this website. I can
be reached at the email address above. My sincere apologies to
Melissa for the direction this discussion has gone into.
Posted by: Tia | Jun 23, 2007 at 06:59 AM
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-=- and apologized repeatedly to no response.-=-
In e-mail complaining about the list, there were repeated but
insincere seeming apologies.
It's true that I do assume that then I ask people to chill or to stop
being harsh or harrassing that they will stop, and that if they don't
want to stop they will go away. I put a "no solicitors" note on the
door yesterday. The Jehovah's Witnesses knocked anyway. Then my
phone rang and someone hung up. If someone had come into the back
yard I would've been pissed. If they'd gotten a loudspeaker and
started filling up the street with noise, that would be harrassment
and I would've called the police.
If someone goes to another place to badmouth this list it seems like
unhealthy obsession and harrassment to me.
-=-If her credibility and consistency does not matter to her, what
good is anything she has to say?-=-
I think I've been consistent for fifty three years. My "credibility"
with a person who won't even read before going off half-cocked isn't
valuable credibility. What I have to say is absolutely no good at
all to someone who can't or doesn't want to understand it. But that
doesn't mean I should change. I'm not trying to be everything to
everybody, nor everything to anyone. I'm trying to talk about
unschooling with unschoolers.
Six billion people on the planet, and one I don't even know is
obsessing about me!?
-=-I think it was assumed I would be one more hurt and offended woman
on her list that would fade quietly into the background.-=-
"Fade quietly into the background"?
"Hurt" is too strong a word for someone who came in insulting
unschoolers right off, whether it was on purpose or just clumsiness.
To anyone who would rather harrass me to change than to quietly go
elsewhere:
Get away and do something productive and real. Be with your family.
Find a list you like better. Build a pyramid of sugar cubes. Watch
all of the Monty Python videos. Make a quilt. Take your kids to
Disneyland. Go backpacking. Read all the Harry Potter books. Read
all the Patrick O'Brien novels, or Jane Austen. Plant vegetables.
Play Sudoku. here: http://www.websudoku.com/ Look at prairie dog
pictures and be glad your children are alive: http://sandradodd.com/
prairiedogs
Running around the internet obsessed about me and writing nonsense is
no good for anyone.
Sandra
Sandra Dodd
-=-Six billion people on the planet, and one I don't even know is
obsessing about me!?-=-
Okay, wait.
Six billion isn't a fair number. Over a billion of them only speak
Chinese, and another billion or two probably don't even have
electricity.
Someone give me a more realistic number, of people with internet who
read and write English please. And many of that billion in India DO
read English and have internet, so don't forget India.
I don't want to be unfair.
Sandra
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obsessing about me!?-=-
Okay, wait.
Six billion isn't a fair number. Over a billion of them only speak
Chinese, and another billion or two probably don't even have
electricity.
Someone give me a more realistic number, of people with internet who
read and write English please. And many of that billion in India DO
read English and have internet, so don't forget India.
I don't want to be unfair.
Sandra
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Susan
> -=-Six billion people on the planet, and one I don't even know is obsessing about me!?-=-Even if there were only 10 people on the planet who know English and
>
> Okay, wait. Six billion isn't a fair number. <snip> Someone give me a more realistic number, of people with internet who read and write English please.
have internet access, it's still ridiculous that anyone would spend so
much time & energy on something like this -- does she not have
anything better to do? Is this the most pressing and exciting event in
her life right now? Good grief.
-- Susan
marji
At 13:06 6/23/2007, you wrote:
less challenging for her to spend time obsessing about Sandra than it
would be for her to confront her own demons, whatever they are. Right?
I *adore* Sandra's healthy attitude about stuff like this, though!
When *I* grow up... ;)
~Marji
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>Is this the most pressing and exciting event in her life right now?No, I'm guessing it's not. But, it's probably a whole lot easier and
less challenging for her to spend time obsessing about Sandra than it
would be for her to confront her own demons, whatever they are. Right?
I *adore* Sandra's healthy attitude about stuff like this, though!
When *I* grow up... ;)
~Marji
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