I am grateful to Qays Muhammad Lila, an unschooled teen in Ontario, for creating one clean sound file of what were originally two sides of a cassette tape.
Kelly Lovejoy, the conference organizer, allowed me to provide free access to recordings that once were for sale.
Marty Dodd was 14 in the recording above; he is nearly 20 years older, as it is being uploaded to my site in April 2022.
People who have met my kids never say another negative thing about unschooling. It’s kind of amazing.
When I figured that out, as my kids got older, I started trying always to take one of them with me to any conference where I spoke. Because my words might be fun and inspiring, but they’re no “proof.” But when a nervous parent spends any time talking with Kirby or Marty or Holly, their fears dissolve.