12/19/96 9:28:47 PM Opening “judyfaron chat 12/18” for recording.
JudyFAron : gee TD - my kids don't pretend either - on that we
seem to agree
TDrnkngGrd : And they can love learning.
Felicitas : Judy, does your hs program require testing?
JudyFAron : no no no
TDrnkngGrd : But you just accused ours of pretending.
JudyFAron : no testing
Clayvessel : This all started with my stating that my daughter
Clayvessel : by looking up answers if she learned something from
Clayvessel : subject in question was history.
JudyFAron : I didn't accuse yours - I was giving an example
MRothko : MY kids only pretend when they are playing together
KaeKaeB : Sara uses American School Correspondence...she reads
a section and then does a self test
JudyFAron : why do you think I am picking on you specifically?
Clayvessel : I want my daughter to understand that one persons
Clayvessel : interpretation of hsitoric events is not the only
TDrnkngGrd : Please do not use homeschoolers (in toto) as an
Estrgraham : Good night ladies. Merry Christmas and God bless you
HendyMom : Sometimes I pretend I know everything. My kids
BARB FRED : If no testing, then why all the fuss about
Felicitas : Oh, gee, Clay -- no one can remember everything
TDrnkngGrd : Bye, Estr.
Clayvessel : Sure she can read what the textbook manufactureers
think the answer should be.
Clayvessel : But does she agree with that?
TDrnkngGrd : Feliz Navidad.
Felicitas : I look up history all the time!
KaeKaeB : she uses the book to do the self-test.....That way
she does some "close reading" . I don't t
HendyMom : Good Nite Estragrahm
JudyFAron : I was giving an example because I was asked to by
sandra way back in the chat
Estrgraham : Nite Hendy
JudyFAron : then you all jumped on me
KaeKaeB : think that is cheating...they don't either, btw.
SandraDodd : When and why kids would have to fake knowing
something, I can't imagine. My kids are glad to
Felicitas : But do you think looking up history is cheating?
HendyMom : Judy are you happy with homeschooling and are your
KaeKaeB : But by this definition she would be faking knowing
SandraDodd : from any available source, and they're not afraid to
admit when they don't know something.
JudyFAron : we are extremely happy with homeschooling all of us
Clayvessel : I want her to learn to write her own answers. She's
Clayvessel : marvelously honest. So letting her read the answer
Clayvessel : actually force her to think and compare and go beyond
Clayvessel : obvious when writing her own answers.
RELTOND : Barb and KK: would you mind e-mail occasionally??
It sounds like we have similar sits.
BARB FRED : KK, my son uses American School...All of the test art
open book. I am sure Judy would
BARB FRED : call that "cheating"
Felicitas : That sounds good to me, Clay
JudyFAron : oh Barb - get real - that is not cheating either
KaeKaeB : Hendy, one day you will be wrong
JudyFAron : forget it - you all just want to argue
SandraDodd : "Get real" doesn't come from forgetting to use the
shift key, does it?
Felicitas : Open book tests aren't cheating?
BARB FRED : Sure REL
JudyFAron : goodnight - you are all hateful tonight
Clayvessel : 'Sorry Judy, didn't mean to be.
HendyMom : So I am not to proud to admit being wrong/
BARB FRED : REALLY, Judy?????
Felicitas : Judy, I'm not hateful, just enthusiastic.
KaeKaeB : SURE REL, I love to talk homeschooling, matter of
fact I'm becoming addicted.
TDrnkngGrd : I know that I am not a hateful person.
Anacabana : hello
TDrnkngGrd : YYE1111
TDrnkngGrd : yes!!
Felicitas : TD, ?
TDrnkngGrd : Oh, nothing. Just happy.
BARB FRED : I love a good debate...stirs the creative juices to
try to express myself with out CUSSING..
Felicitas : Oh, you're just hateful.
HendyMom : Does anyone celebrate Kwanzaa?
TDrnkngGrd : Me do.
KaeKaeB : BARB,. you......
Felicitas : I do too, Barb
TBarnell5 : Bye all. Going to eat a midnight snack. Enjoyed the
TDrnkngGrd : Iwas IMg. No guides there.
HendyMom : I would like some suggestions on Kwanzaa
TDrnkngGrd : Bye.
KaeKaeB : No, but after tonight I think I should....doesn't
that include honesty??
TDrnkngGrd : Like what.
SandraDodd : Should what?
TDrnkngGrd : Kwanzaa.
SandraDodd : After tonight you should cuss? have a midnight snack?
KaeKaeB : Celebrate Kwanzaa.....
BARB FRED : Fel, KK, REL, think of anything interesting we can
debate and be "hateful" about?? :-)
RELTOND : What's Kwanzaa??
KaeKaeB : Welll, snacking sounds good too.
SandraDodd : It would be cheating for me to celebrate kwanzaa.
TDrnkngGrd : Let's see, one kinara. 3 red canldles, 3 green, 1
HendyMom : Do you celebrate Kwanzaa TDrnkgnGrd?
KaeKaeB : BARB you are on a roll.
TDrnkngGrd : Yes I do.
KaeKaeB : SANDRA LOLPIMP
Felicitas : I dunno -- we could slam Kwanzaaa
SandraDodd : if you guys e-mail RaisenNSun and ask her for kwanzaa
info she can send it to you for sure.
Felicitas : :::::ducking::
TDrnkngGrd : We have a rather huge pot luck get together at my
SandraDodd : She did a workshop and it's all in one place. You'll
know tons of stuff.
KaeKaeB : Hey, her chat should be uploaded into the library by
HendyMom : I have an adopted black son and I would like to intro
him to Kwanzaa and the family too.
TDrnkngGrd : I've been cleaning it, for the party, over the past 3
BARB FRED : ooohhh Fel, You are treading in THIN ICE.....
KaeKaeB : Hendy, do youknow how to check the library for files
TDrnkngGrd : I am an adoptive mom also. Black child too.
Felicitas : LOL
HendyMom : Do you have any simple ideas or books you like. Yes
Kae Kae I have been to the Kwanzaa
SandraDodd : But you CHEATED, TDrnkngGrd.
BARB FRED : LOL Sandra
SAAldrich : My friends who send their kids to school tell me that
kids need to get on a schedule early
HendyMom : page but I like personal help
KaeKaeB : Yea, you started out African American!
Felicitas : Hey, I'm respectful of other peoples holidays... I
have enough weird ones of my own...
SAAldrich : to start learning the "real" world and about getting
up for work, etc.. I say they don't nee
TDrnkngGrd : Weel Sandra. Everytime a white person tells me that
they have adopted a Black child I say, so have I.
KaeKaeB : No, Hendy not a web site, but a chat was held on
Kwanzaa and the log should be in the librar
BARB FRED : SAA, ouch....sadists! If we are out of bed before 9,
the house is on FIRE!
SandraDodd : I would like to apologize to anyoe who was alarmed by
my tone this evening.
TDrnkngGrd : You've got to admit, it's a good laugh.
SAAldrich : 12 years of school to get prepared to get up and go
to work. Anyone getting the same kind
KaeKaeB : it would be filled with practical things to do.
SAAldrich : of stuff from their friends.
SandraDodd : Good answer, Donna (clapping as though we were on
BARB FRED : I hear the same stuff SA, I ignore it!!
TDrnkngGrd : You should see the looks on ther faces.
SAAldrich : BARB, exactly!!! We have slow mornings, sleep late,
and we love it. I don't want to get up
SandraDodd : I could have been more supportive of the the cheating
idea, but it wouldn't have been honest.
RELTOND : Folks, I honestly have never heard of Kawanzaa?
SAAldrich : early and take them all to school when it is 20
KaeKaeB : Donna, that's almost cruel.
BARB FRED : They are just JEALOUS, SA
TDrnkngGrd : Hendy, I'm African American, that's why we're joking
DonnaStaub : me cruel????
TDrnkngGrd : Cruel? Moi?
BARB FRED : Sandra, you crack me up....
SAAldrich : BARB, I think you are right because they are already
getting burned out hauling their kids
DonnaStaub : oh not me LOL
SandraDodd : RELTOND, e-mail RaisenNSun. Honest. You'll know
KaeKaeB : No Donna..TDrnk is a Donna...sorry
SAAldrich : all around town to different school and activities
starting when their kids are preschool a
SAAldrich : age
TDrnkngGrd : Rel it's an African American holiday that beginds the
day after Christmas.
HendyMom : Gee TDrnkngGrd when someone reaches out to you for
help you turn on them
SandraDodd : CONFUSING, and when I see SA I think it's me because
for most of my life my name was
SandraDodd : Sandra Adams, and it still starts SA.
RELTOND : TGD: Thank you. I understand.
Felicitas : TD, that's St Stephen's day... :-)
TDrnkngGrd : We Celebrate the 7 priciples of the Black family and
how they've helped us survive our American exper
HendyMom : I hope my son does not turn out to sound bitter like
SAAldrich : My 4-yr-old son helped me make out Christmas cards
this year. He enjoys doing adult
SAAldrich : things whatever my husband and I are doing.
BARB FRED : TD, I never knew anything about Kwan
TDrnkngGrd : It ends on New Years Day. That's when the
Emmancipation Proclamation went into effect.
TDrnkngGrd : I sound bitter?
TDrnkngGrd : Really?
HendyMom : yes.
TDrnkngGrd : How?
HendyMom : scroll up
DonnaStaub : GleeBigg you still here???
TDrnkngGrd : I really do not understand?
BARB FRED : Handy....down girl....we are all friends here ,
KaeKaeB : Hendy, I'm emailing you a file, listen for the pop
SandraDodd : HendyMom, we're just joking around. I'm guessing
you misinterpreted something Donna said
Gleebigg : yes
BARB FRED : Hendy, not handy-sorry
SandraDodd : TDrnkngGrd is never mean or bitter
DonnaStaub : hello Glenda, how are you this evening/?
DonnaStaub : did you all get some of the flurries??
Gleebigg : just fine, COLD
DonnaStaub : they were beautiful
TDrnkngGrd : The African American experience has been a difficult
HendyMom : ok so sorry. but adopting a black child is nothing to
joke about. Do you make jokes about ot
HendyMom : other children.
DonnaStaub : yes me too cold
TDrnkngGrd : I am an adoptive mother.
Gleebigg : we were in Fay earlier and saw some flakes, the kids
TDrnkngGrd : I have adopted a black child.
TDrnkngGrd : I'm telling the truth.
BARB FRED : Was she joking?
DonnaStaub : LOTS of FLAKES in Fay. *lol*
BARB FRED : What is the deal Hendy?
Felicitas : Hendy, TD doesn't bite. She's even nice to ME. :-)
HendyMom : I worry very much about making his culture important
to him it is very difficult.
SandraDodd : I've seen this child in person. I can vouch for
Gleebigg : I'm hoping is doesn't snow, we leave Monday
RELTOND : Barb and KK: What time do you start your school
DonnaStaub : where ya heading/?
Gleebigg : WI of all places!!!!
TDrnkngGrd : I even nursed my adopted child for three years.
Clayvessel : Do tell?
SandraDodd : Heritage, not culture (just a little anthropological
DonnaStaub : I hope it snows then but after you get out of
DonnaStaub : Family there huh?
BARB FRED : TD, could you email me something explaining what
Kwanza is and why it is celebrated, etc?
HendyMom : I call it culture Sandra
Gleebigg : they're suppose to get snow on Mon
Felicitas : That's the real reason she's called The Drinking
Gourd, you know.
BARB FRED : REL...when we get up :-)
KaeKaeB : REL, we don't "do school", we jsut use materials to
DonnaStaub : LOL you can't hide from Frosty!!!!
Clayvessel : LOL
Gleebigg : LOL
SAAldrich : TD, that is so great that you nursed your adopted
child for 3 years, what a lucky child!
TDrnkngGrd : The Drinking Gourd is the Big Dipper. It leads to the
Clayvessel : So can we call her jugs for short?
KaeKaeB : LOL...Clay !
TDrnkngGrd : I wish they looked like jugs.
Felicitas : Oh, I know that, TD LOL!
BARB FRED : LOL
KaeKaeB : TD, did you use one of those relactate bags?? Did
HendyMom : I wish I knew more black people. When I reach out to
them they turn away which makes me
HendyMom : worry about my son.
TDrnkngGrd : I have to make a point here.
KaeKaeB : Hendy the Kwanzaa file should be in your mail box.
Felicitas : TD, my 6 y.o. knows the Big Dipper by TDG - credit
TDrnkngGrd : Most white families assume that Black families don't
adopt Black children.
KaeKaeB : Barb do you want it too?
HendyMom : thank you KaeKae
BARB FRED : YES KK, please!
TDrnkngGrd : They are surprised to find out that I have adopted a
AKMomOf3 : Good evening. Is this a homeschooling chat? May I
DonnaStaub : what is Kwanzaa
RELTOND : Barb: Have you graduated anyone yet??
BARB FRED : Really, I never thought that TD
TDrnkngGrd : I tell them I have to help them relax (plus it's
DonnaStaub : HI AKMom
SandraDodd : KaeKaeB, please send that file to DonnaStaub too.
BARB FRED : No, graduates yet
AKMomOf3 : Hi Donna!
DonnaStaub : no no
DonnaStaub : just wondering
Clayvessel : Hendy, I have a friend who has adopted several
Clayvessel : One black, one latino, several special needs.
DonnaStaub : so do you HS AK
BARB FRED : Hi AK
RELTOND : Barb: We're thinking about college. That's why the
AKMomOf3 : Yes.. 2 of the 3... 3rd is a baby..
KaeKaeB : That's what the media here in Huntsville would have
you believe. That no AA families ever a
KaeKaeB : adopt.
AKMomOf3 : Hi Barb.
DonnaStaub : cool
Clayvessel : She treats them all the same. Figures they have a
Clayvessel : culture. They all learn about different heritages.
DonnaStaub : what curri?
AKMomOf3 : me?
DonnaStaub : y
BARB FRED : REL, that is why we use American School. My son also
does a lot of other great stuff that
AKMomOf3 : Well, basically, we are unschoolers, but since dh is
a "structure guy"...
BARB FRED : he enjoys a lot more than American School
DonnaStaub : yeah we are moving towards that ourselves
TDrnkngGrd : Rel, the Colfax's were unstructured until their
children were about 16.
AKMomOf3 : we do use some district correspondence stuff.. just
to keep him calm :-)
RELTOND : Barb: Is Am Sc a Christian curric??
KaeKaeB : Donna there should be a Kwanzaa file in your mailbox.
TDrnkngGrd : they have a doctor, two lawyers and a Chef.
BARB FRED : My dh tends to be a structure guy too
KaeKaeB : DonnaSTaub that is.
HendyMom : yes Clay but in our family we are Swedish. And
everyone is dumb about Black Heritage.
DonnaStaub : dang you didn't need to do taht
TDrnkngGrd : Thanks KK. I'll use it for our party.
DonnaStaub : that
DonnaStaub : AK where from?
TDrnkngGrd : Harvard and Yale grads.
KaeKaeB : I think most men are stucture kinds
Gleebigg : couldn't agree more KaeKae
SandraDodd : My husband is so nice about homeschooling. He
resists things at first and then I'll overhear him
DonnaStaub : no stuctured guy here LOL none at all
TDrnkngGrd : Don't worry Hendy. I don't know much about the
Felicitas : TDG - doctor, lawyer, Indian CHEF?
BARB FRED : no REl, secular...been around for 100 years. Fully
accredited and has a college prep track
RELTOND : TGD: Who's Colfax?
KaeKaeB : they only think of one thing at a time.
AKMomOf3 : + dh wants the kids to have a "real" diploma.. I
think next year I'm dropping the district t
AKMomOf3 : though.
AKMomOf3 : I'm in Alaska
SandraDodd : defending something radically to his co-workers or
Clayvessel : Sounds like a research project. Course, that's what
Clayvessel : were asking us, wasn't it. :-)
DonnaStaub : bbbbrrrrr
SandraDodd : Right at the Thanksgiving table a couple of years ago
he was saying, "We just don't send our kids to
SandraDodd : the welfare school, that's all."
Gleebigg : dh makes suggestions, but then he goes out on the
road and we do our own thing
SandraDodd : Eek!
SandraDodd : I would've waited until after dessert, at least.
TDrnkngGrd : Grant Colfax was the first homeschooler to enter
Harvard in 110 years.
AKMomOf3 : Not too cold tonight... about 20+, snowing..
DonnaStaub : LOL Glenda
Estrgraham : I have always wanted to go to Alaska.
Felicitas : Guv'ment school!
DonnaStaub : aahhh I want some AK
Estrgraham : AK Do you have to get by plane like they show on TV?
DonnaStaub : me too EST
TDrnkngGrd : THe cockateil has been on my shouldre for about 2
Gleebigg : my 20 year old is in Alaska for Christmas with
Felicitas : Eeeww
RELTOND : TGD: is there a book about them?
TDrnkngGrd : Homeschooling For Excellence.
TDrnkngGrd : Bool.
BARB FRED : Yes..Homeschooling For Excellence!!
TDrnkngGrd : book
Clayvessel : Have you checked your shirt for extra items lately
AKMomOf3 : You can reach Alaska by car, train, boat, plane...
DonnaStaub : LOL
BARB FRED : LOL clay
Felicitas : Kayak
Felicitas : Snowshoe
Gleebigg : AK> also snowshoes, skis,
AKMomOf3 : What's the hs for excellence?? I was too busy
DonnaStaub : sled team
Felicitas : Dogsled!
DonnaStaub : HI Eagleing
DonnaStaub : I have to go Hubby's turn
SandraDodd : ferry
BARB FRED : The book by the Colfaxes
DonnaStaub : He just got home
AKMomOf3 : dogsled, snowshoe, skies, snowmobile.. yep.. those
SandraDodd : Bye, DonnaStaub!
Gleebigg : bye Donna
KaeKaeB : I HAVE GOT TO GO! My dh is going to leave me if I
dont let him online. Night, night folks
TDrnkngGrd : For some reason, it doesn't poop on people.
DonnaStaub : paratrooping hang gliding......LOL
BARB FRED : bye donna
TDrnkngGrd : We've had her for two weeks. Great bird.
DonnaStaub : LOL Kae same here
DonnaStaub : * byebey*
Estrgraham : What I meant was do you live in town or way out in
the country somewhere?
DonnaStaub : *byebye*
Felicitas : Lucky people!
AKMomOf3 : Colfaxes.. are they the ones that had one called
Growing Without Schooling?
Estrgraham : Night KK
TDrnkngGrd : No.
SandraDodd : Growing Without Schooling is a magazine founded by
Eagleing10 : hi room!!!
TDrnkngGrd : THat's John Holt.
AKMomOf3 : Estre... Sorry... Yes, I live in a town.. North
TDrnkngGrd : Hello.
BARB FRED : YES AK, now you got it!!
KaeKaeB : Nghty night!
Gleebigg : Hi Eagle
TDrnkngGrd : Hey, did that lady really homeschool her children?
Estrgraham : Merry Christmas KK
RELTOND : Good night KK.
Felicitas : I have to go, too, I think.
Felicitas : Kiddos need to go beddy bye
Estrgraham : TD,Read her profile. It says so
TDrnkngGrd : Why Fel.
Eagleing10 : whats happening?
AKMomOf3 : Barb.. ya'll are too fast 4 me... got what??
Felicitas : and i need to go, period.
TDrnkngGrd : Got a date?
Estrgraham : We are discussing Homes schooling
Clayvessel : Nite all.
Felicitas : Only with ER in an hour
BARB FRED : "Homeschooling for Excellence" was written by David
and Micki Colfax!
Estrgraham : Night Fel. Merry Christmas
TDrnkngGrd : I thought we were discussing affairs?
Felicitas : My date is working tonight, which is why I was HERE
TDrnkngGrd : Date?
BARB FRED : I type a lot faster now than I did two weeks ago when
I first got on-line!!
Felicitas : Oh, you know, the usual one.
RELTOND : Barb: Thanks, I'll check it out.
BARB FRED : Hubby??
Felicitas : Yea, that guy.
SandraDodd : So dh stands for date/husband now?
TDrnkngGrd : Oh, him.
Felicitas : Date/nut?
BARB FRED : anytime REL....It is a wonderful book!
TDrnkngGrd : Always thinking about food.
Felicitas : Yeah, that's the one!
SandraDodd : Flakey.
Felicitas : Hey, I haven't had dinner yet!
AKMomOf3 : Sandra... THANKS for the
English/Shakespeare/Chaucer/etc. lesson on the
Felicitas : I was too enthralled with you all!
SandraDodd : Anytime, AKMom.
TDrnkngGrd : Aw, shucks.
RELTOND : Good night all, must go. Have a Blessed Christmas.
BARB FRED : Hi mob and eagle
TDrnkngGrd : Bye.
SandraDodd : I spew and spout in spurts.
TDrnkngGrd : More like a volcano but we love her dearly.
BARB FRED : Bye REL, I will email sometime!!
Felicitas : I'd better go lest I moisten my computer chair.
MobTx : hi barb
AKMomOf3 : I've got a semi-long hs question.. is anyone up to
listening and tying to answer??
BARB FRED : LOL fel
Felicitas : You didn't really want to know that, did you?
BARB FRED : ASK me, AK
AKMomOf3 : I do not believe I received a quality ps education
myself.. very basic, VERY limited...
BARB FRED : Hi Yes
AKMomOf3 : and of couse, like the other parents here..
BARB FRED : Hi dhr
D HR LADY : hello room
AKMomOf3 : we have realized that the ps system isn't going to be
the best place for our children..
SandraDodd : Felicitas, forbear!
BARB FRED : OK....
AKMomOf3 : but, since I feel my OWN education is so limited, how
in the world can I expect to be able
Felicitas : OK, there was a simple solution to my problem -- I'm
SandraDodd : AkMom this is a happy, easy answer.
AKMomOf3 : to open the doors to the world of learning for the
AKMomOf3 : Oh GOODY!
BARB FRED : that quick??? and it solved your problem??
Felicitas : :-)
SandraDodd : I'm not saying "don't worry" because someone
somewhere said that was rude today.
TDrnkngGrd : Roots and wings. We give them the opportunity to
learn how to learn.
SandraDodd : Worry a little if it makes you feel better.
Eagleing10 : anyone here into Boy Scouts of America?
SandraDodd : If there's something you don't feel like an expert
on, learn it WITH your kids.
AKMomOf3 : Well, I don't want to worry.. I am LOVING learning
with the boys,
SandraDodd : If there's something they're interested in but you
have absolutely not one bit of interest or
TDrnkngGrd : Hey, this homeschooling thing makes family life fun.
Felicitas : I plan on learning the times tables some day.
BARB FRED : AK, We share what we know with our children when we
homeschool...but mostly, we teach them
SandraDodd : knowledge, let them learn it without you.
MobTx : our son participates in boy scouts
AKMomOf3 : but sometimes (ok, OFTEN) I feel like they are soooo
much smarter than me!
TDrnkngGrd : It's too late fel. Buy a calculator.
SandraDodd : There are teachers (paid professional yadayada
teachers) who are just one day ahead of the kids
Felicitas : OK
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how to learn and how to find out those things that
they really want to know about
Eagleing10 : what program is he in?
JodyJohn : Hi, ya'll, I'm another homeschooling mom
MobTx : wolf
SandraDodd : lots of times, in some new information, new book,
piece of literature, whatever.
Eagleing10 : how long has he been in cubs?
TDrnkngGrd : hi Jody.
Felicitas : My dh and I started reading "classic" fiction that we
avoided in school, because of Star Trek movies
BARB FRED : Be open to what interests them and then go learn with
them...They will love you for it!!
AKMomOf3 : What I try to do, is answer their questions, and if I
don't know the answer, we go searching
AKMomOf3 : for it together..
MobTx : since last year
JodyJohn : Hi, TD. Mob--I'm a den leader -- mixed den of
tigers, wolves and bear
AKMomOf3 : either the www, library, message boards, etc.. Is
this an "alright" approach?
Felicitas : That's the ticket, AK
Eagleing10 : he is ready to move on to bears?
BARB FRED : Homeschooling is not about having enough education to
fill "empty heads"
SandraDodd : I think it's the best approach.
SandraDodd : Do you know there are lots of people out there either
making up answers or telling the kids they
SandraDodd : don't need to know?
MobTx : not yet we are taking it slowly-maybe next year
Felicitas : Education is not the filling of a vessel, but the
lighting of a fire (or something like that!)
AKMomOf3 : I'm glad you all agree. I think when I was in ps, I
learned WHAT to learn, instead of HOW
BARB FRED : An Excellent approach AK
AKMomOf3 : to learn.
Eagleing10 : is he 8 yrs or 9 yrs?
Felicitas : That's exactly it, AK
MobTx : he is 7
AKMomOf3 : And for my children, I REALLY want to instill the
HOW.. That way, they'll be able to
AKMomOf3 : learn about ANYTHING they want!
AKMomOf3 : I hope.
Felicitas : They don't want you to learn on your own in ps
Eagleing10 : so is he into tiger cubs?
SandraDodd : AKMom if there's something you can't find in a book
or video or online, we can help you. There are
MobTx : we are working on 2nd grade materials this year
BARB FRED : That is right AK, we all did--and now we all have to
Felicitas : (lions and tigers and bears, oh my)
SandraDodd : people in the homeschooling forum with all kinds of
knowledge and contacts and ideas.
TDrnkngGrd : Ak you are on the right track.
MobTx : he likes being a wolf
MobTx : we had fun on a recent camping trip
SandraDodd : Heck no, if kids in PS started learning on their own,
teachers wouldn't be in control and wouldn't
Eagleing10 : my wife is a wolf leader
SandraDodd : be able to take credit for everything.
TDrnkngGrd : Many bewcomers are so set in their ways. They want to
be just like schoolers.
Felicitas : Or justify their salaries
JodyJohn : My son is a tiger - he'll be 7 on Sunday. He can't
wait to become a wolf (second grade) -
JodyJohn : they have achievements, etc.
TDrnkngGrd : bewcomers=newcomers.
MobTx : i'm not interested but he needs an outlet
BARB FRED : Stop worrying AK,....you do things in homeschool the
same way we do...and I am not afraid
AKMomOf3 : Ok, next question.. As an unschooler (at least 90%),
should I worry about things like..
Gleebigg : Sandra>yet teachers will blame parents when things
BARB FRED : to admit that in some areas,....my kids ARE smarter
AKMomOf3 : diagramming sentences, math facts, blah blah blah..
book reports... etc..
SandraDodd : Yeah, that's the current fad--saying parents are
responsible for their children's learning
TDrnkngGrd : No.
Eagleing10 : cubs is a good program for that age but I really
enjoy the boy scouts
Felicitas : No
TDrnkngGrd : Next question.
BARB FRED : NO< NO< NO
SandraDodd : "smart" and knowledgeable aren't the same thing.
BARB FRED : next question?
SandraDodd : Some pretty slow-thinking people are full of facts,
and vice versa.
AKMomOf3 : that was quick!
JodyJohn : AK -- They do need to understand how to write well --
if they go on to college that will be
JodyJohn : very important -- that's where diagramming comes in
Felicitas : Nobody diagrams sentences in real life. Grammar is
learned by ear\
MobTx : What else does your son enjoy
TDrnkngGrd : They need to speak well writing comes later.
SandraDodd : Facts don't do any good if you can't figure out how
to recombine them and to use them in real situatio
SandraDodd : ssituations
SandraDodd : situations
AKMomOf3 : Well, if they are reading, and reading "good" things
(well written), won't they learn to
TDrnkngGrd : Oratory skills are more important.
MischaBear : not to interrupt, but what is the topic?
BARB FRED : My kids learn grammar by reading extensively and
seeing how grammar works
AKMomOf3 : write well?
JodyJohn : Not completely, Felicitas -- I know a lot of
intelligent people who could use help in that
JodyJohn : area
TDrnkngGrd : Does the child speak in complete sentences, are his
TDrnkngGrd : How wide is the vocabulary range?
Felicitas : AK, I think that's true
TDrnkngGrd : Americans harp on writing skills but can't read or
speak worth beans.
BARB FRED : hi Mischa
MischaBear : Hi Barb
JodyJohn : Diagramming sentences is just a foundational tool,
just as mathematics has foundation
MischaBear : is this all homeschooling?
MobTx : no
AKMomOf3 : ok.. next question: In ps, there is reporting done
for everything: science experiments, etc
TDrnkngGrd : Intelligent people are not necessarily good speakers.
MischaBear : I went to public schools and never learned how to
diagram a sentence..
BARB FRED : Diagramming turned my kids OFF sooooo fast....and
they are all articulate speakers for
MobTx : someone is having a strange conversation
AKMomOf3 : but my guys seem to absorb so much by "doing" and
reading, that I think it's
BARB FRED : their age and write well too
TDrnkngGrd : Diagramming sentences ruins good sentence structure
and has dumbed down American books.
QuiltCrazy : Hi everybody
Felicitas : I never learned sentence diagramming in English class
- I was TAUGHT it, but I didn't learn it
AKMomOf3 : really monotonous to make them write minute details
about everything they do..
TDrnkngGrd : Compare the language of those who do not diagram to
those owho do.
Felicitas : I learned it in high school German
Gleebigg : when my son was in ps, his vocabulary became limited
JodyJohn : AK -- reporting is necessary when you have 30-60
students -- how else does a teacher
TDrnkngGrd : Did Shakespeare diagram sentences?
BARB FRED : Let them continue DOING...they will learn so much
JodyJohn : know what the child has learned
SandraDodd : I don't know if Shakespeare diagrammed sentences,
JodyJohn : one-on-one, there has to be a better way than
Gleebigg : since hs, vocabulary has increased that many of the
kids still in ps ask their parents "What
SandraDodd : I don't know what Latin instruction was like in those
days, but lots of grammar was learned that
Gleebigg : did he say"
SandraDodd : way, I understand.
TDrnkngGrd : Sandra, Of course not!
AKMomOf3 : For example: Last week, they saw a PBS show about
Mars.. and learned tons!
SandraDodd : It had an effect on English, too. Some Latin rules
were applied to English, because Latin was
SandraDodd : considered an ideal language and English a kind of
trashy language by comparison.
AKMomOf3 : They haven't written a thing about it, but have
talked about it all week!
SandraDodd : That's why we're not supposed to split infinitives,
because of Latin.
BARB FRED : If I tell my child to read a book and then do a
report they FLAT REFUSE to read the book!!
AKMomOf3 : And then Zac wanted to go to the library to get more
information about the planets to read
Felicitas : TD, the Calif. schools are going to make the teachers
accept "black english" as an ESL thing
TDrnkngGrd : By the time a child has written a report he could
have read 10 more books.
JodyJohn : I'd probably only have them do a report if I needed
it for their portfolio
SandraDodd : Book reports are weird.
TDrnkngGrd : I think it's wrong to call it Black english.
Felicitas : more bilingual ed money, I guess
SandraDodd : They're ways for teachers to get "proof" without
actually interacting with the child.
TDrnkngGrd : I'm black and you have heard me speak.
Gleebigg : we read a short story on Mozart, my 8 year old now
has an interest in him, listens to his
AKMomOf3 : TDrnkngGrd... GOOD ONE!! (about the 10 books to 1
BARB FRED : Excellent, AK.....are you really worried about your
homeschool or just trying to show us up?
BARB FRED :
Gleebigg : music and tonight we picked up a book on Mozart,
which he had to read tonight
JodyJohn : Sandra -- We have to give the teachers a little bit
of a break -- how do you interact with
JodyJohn : that many kids?
TDrnkngGrd : I think she's showing off. Go on girl.
AKMomOf3 : Barb.. no, not worried about the hs.. a bit concerned
about the state..
TDrnkngGrd : It's the Quilt!!!
JodyJohn : What state, AK?
SandraDodd : Donna, how do we know you don't speak jive which
would be inintelligible to us at home? Pidgin-
AKMomOf3 : want to avoid the issue of reporting/standardized
BARB FRED : Stop worrying...
TDrnkngGrd : No. I don't.
SandraDodd : Pacific-Northwest-Black-English
QuiltCrazy : Hi TD
AKMomOf3 : ALASKA... AK Mom Of 3 :-D
TDrnkngGrd : You have heard how I always speak.
SandraDodd : I used to think, when I was a kid, that the Queen of
England used to put on that weird accent to be
SandraDodd : on TV and that probably at home, like on the toilet,
she talked just like I did! LOL!!!!
SandraDodd : I'm just joking, you know, most of the time in my
JodyJohn : LOL
Felicitas : The Queen of England never uses the toilet!
TDrnkngGrd : When I listen to the language skills of educators, I
JodyJohn : She never has sex, either
SandraDodd : JodyJohn, I WAS a teacher.
Gleebigg : b
SandraDodd : I taught English.
BARB FRED : Me too, TD!!
MobTx : quit picking on teachers
JodyJohn : Sorry, that was not nice
Felicitas : She must have, how else did Charlie get here?
TDrnkngGrd : Thanks Barb. I thought it was just me.
BARB FRED : I am majoring in English in college
MobTx : so
SandraDodd : Can we still pick on the Queen, MobTx?
MobTx : yes
SandraDodd : When I was teaching I didn't require written book
reports. They're awful.
AKMomOf3 : Regarding the state... Last winter, I started hsing..
reported/registered liek I should have
TDrnkngGrd : Okay, radio show hosts, TV anchormen to name a few.
Almost all have rotten speaking skills.
MobTx : i'm a teacher too
Gleebigg : when daughter started new school, her honors english
teacher said she was so 'tared'
QuiltCrazy : I'm having such a good time reading, I can't think of
what to write:)
SandraDodd : I used to have the kid come and sit with me and we'd
talk about the book. If it looked like they
JodyJohn : Good for you! I love reading (just came home from
Barnes & Nobles), but hate book reports
BARB FRED : Hi Mob
AKMomOf3 : this fall, w/ new baby and "jitters" put them back in
Gleebigg : my daughters response was 'are you feathered also'
SandraDodd : were faking it I'd send them back to come back in
another couple of days.
MobTx : hi
AKMomOf3 : brought them home again Nov 5..
TDrnkngGrd : "Tared" and feathered?
Felicitas : Glee, did the teacher get the joke?
JodyJohn : Glee - LOL
AKMomOf3 : and with dh the "structure guy", started using the
district correspondence program...
QuiltCrazy : My boys, ages 12 and 10, are not big readers. I don't
think they know how to read for
SandraDodd : Sick & tared.
BARB FRED : GOOD, AK...you "go" girl
AKMomOf3 : which I hate
QuiltCrazy : pleasure and enjoyment.
Gleebigg : No, daughter told her to go back to college and learn
to speak correctly
MobTx : I'm new to homeschooling and its not just the
SandraDodd : College doesn't undo people's accents.
SandraDodd : Prejudice against accents and dialects isn't nice.
TDrnkngGrd : THey still ahve time Quilt.
Gleebigg : in this county it's not accent it's dialect
Felicitas : Sez yooo.
TDrnkngGrd : have.
BARB FRED : That is because they had to read what they were told
to read in school. Let them read
AKMomOf3 : so next fall, I want to drop the district
SandraDodd : Some people consciously try to speak "standard"
English (especially to be on TV) but those who chose
BARB FRED : anything they want,,,,(well, not porno)
SandraDodd : to peak the way their parents did should be allowed
to peacefully coexist with those more
TDrnkngGrd : Accents and dialects are one thing.
TDrnkngGrd : Rotten language skills are another.
SandraDodd : selfconscious people who adopt someone else's accent.
JodyJohn : Agreed, TD!
Felicitas : Sandra, TV guys try to talk like NPR guys
QuiltCrazy : Glee, I'm working on it. I think the best way to
teach reading is by example.
SandraDodd : people move to New Mexico from New York and try to
lose their accents. It never works.
AKMomOf3 : but I don't know how to get around the requirements
for using a curriculum. Any ideas??
TDrnkngGrd : Those with accents and dialects will ahve a harder
time being employed. Fact.
Felicitas : NPR sounds the same everywhere
QuiltCrazy : AK, I use Core Knowledge as my foundation, and build
TDrnkngGrd : I'm not hired to get on a stage to say "She be goin'
ta da stoo."
JodyJohn : Everyone has an accent; some are just more distinct
BARB FRED : Mob, I know what you mean...it is the whole
precept...the foundation of the system that is
BARB FRED : faulty
TDrnkngGrd : TV Guys wish they could talk like NPR guys.
BARB FRED : Try an umbrella school, AK
QuiltCrazy : I think those NPR guys sound so soothing.
JodyJohn : I am Southern - my accent is not "country Southern",
but definitely there. However, I
Gleebigg : a speech therapist in the schools here, who is from
PA, said she had never heard anything
SandraDodd : My mom talks like West Texas, still, even though
she's been in northern New Mexico since 1960.
JodyJohn : speak proper English (most of the time)
BARB FRED : CORE KNOWLEDGE will work
Gleebigg : like the dialect spoken in this county
AKMomOf3 : Barb.. Wouldn't I still have to do some reporting
then?? I'd like to get away from all of it
SandraDodd : I can speak Wes'Texis if I need to.
QuiltCrazy : BARB, did you get know in Warner Robins?
JodyJohn : AK - does your state require reporting?
QuiltCrazy : Barb, I meant SNOW!!!
BARB FRED : You report to the Umbrella school...who reports to
the state :-)
BARB FRED : NO SNOW in Warner Robins,.....darn it!!
AKMomOf3 : I'm supposed to follow a curriculum, report grades..
JodyJohn : NO SNOW in Miami --- darn it!!
AKMomOf3 : yuck! I want my children to be free!
TDrnkngGrd : Why AK?
QuiltCrazy : We have a little in OK, and baby it is COLD!
Felicitas : Is that a trick question, TD?
BARB FRED : You want to stay out of trouble with the law too, AK
AKMomOf3 : TDrnkngGrd.. Why what? Report of Free?
AKMomOf3 : Yes Barb!
JodyJohn : In Florida we must "show progress" each year and
report via standardized test, teacher
JodyJohn : review or county review
TDrnkngGrd : Good thing I'm in WA. Our law makes it possible for
me to be legal.
BARB FRED : Sound tough Jody....move to GA :-)
AnneGolden : In Utah, we don't have to report anything. :)
JodyJohn : What does GA require?
QuiltCrazy : OK laws are great. But right now we're being
"hounded" over a child abuse case
Felicitas : OK I really have to go put my kiddos to bed!
TDrnkngGrd : If I moved I'd probably hide.
Gleebigg : in NC standardized test at end of year
AKMomOf3 : Plus, I'm supposed to file an affadavit of compliance
that is notarized!!
BARB FRED : Standardized test every 3rd year..but you don't have
to turn in test scores...
SandraDodd : It's harder to hide when you're famous, don't you
AnneGolden : wow.
QuiltCrazy : when a little boy was murdered and his parents
covered it up by saying they were hsing
TDrnkngGrd : THat's the way they get in. Through child protective
services. No truancy laws.
TDrnkngGrd : Yes Sandra.
SandraDodd : AkMom, we're supposed to do that here--the intent to
homeschool form has some things you're supposed
BARB FRED : Send in attendance forms for 180 days,....but they
never check..aren't allowed to
SandraDodd : to agree to and you sign it and it has to be
TDrnkngGrd : I'd have to become unknown in order to hide.
SandraDodd : Good luck about that!
BARB FRED : That is terrible Quilt!!!!!
JodyJohn : The county also has the right to meet parent(s) in
August to review portfolio -- cannot
JodyJohn : require seeing child
AKMomOf3 : Sandra.. do you sign it or ingnore it?
AnneGolden : I don't understand the requirement to notarize the
form - why?
SandraDodd : I have signed some, but not lately.
JodyJohn : TD -- are you someone famous?
Felicitas : Boy, there are lots of reasons to be glad I'm in
SandraDodd : I think just so the kids can't fake it.
TDrnkngGrd : All I have to sign is a declaration of intent.
BARB FRED : No portfolio review, no accountability, no
monitoring....a little slice of heaven!!!
Felicitas : She's Michelle Pfeifer
TDrnkngGrd : No, Whitney Houston.
JodyJohn : LOL
AKMomOf3 : The funny part is, that the State office never even
knew that the kids had been back in
AKMomOf3 : ps this fall...
SandraDodd : Jody, she speaks at conferences, puts out a magazine,
has a catalog of books...
Felicitas : Oh, whatever.
QuiltCrazy : It was so shocking. The family was on the underside
BARB FRED : Sandra, are you famous?
AKMomOf3 : nor do they know that the kids are still registered
in the "system" as correspondence
AKMomOf3 : students
SandraDodd : ONly in the homeschooling forum on AOL.
AnneGolden : Her catalog stuff gets to your house fast!
TDrnkngGrd : Is the mother of 3, 3 wife of one, homeschools her
Felicitas : Quilt, I though it was the mom who was murdered, or
is that a different case?
JodyJohn : Anne - they probably require notarized signature so
that they could use it against you --
JodyJohn : legal stuff
AnneGolden : bummer.
TDrnkngGrd : 2 days. FEDEX
QuiltCrazy : That must be a different one.
AKMomOf3 : So I'm thinking that if I dump the district in the
fall, that they'll lose track of us anywa
AKMomOf3 : anyway,.
TDrnkngGrd : 2 points Fel.
Felicitas : Barb, Sandra isn't famous. Sandra is divine.
SandraDodd : I think JodyJohn's right about why. So that the
family can't say "We didn't know the requirements"
QuiltCrazy : Barb, are the GA laws really that good.
BARB FRED : Really? I need to get to know Sandra! :-)
SandraDodd : I just ooze into people's consciousness against their
SandraDodd : Some are glad.
TDrnkngGrd : (I'd dump them but who am I to say...)
BARB FRED : YES< YES< YES....I can send you a copy if you want me
SandraDodd : Some get really irritated about it!
Felicitas : I'm grateful. really.
QuiltCrazy : Barb, I love it!
BARB FRED : LOL Sandra
AnneGolden : oozing - interesting adjective to apply to oneself
AKMomOf3 : Sandra... I like it.. ooze all ya want! :)
BARB FRED : Everybody....MOVE to GA!!!!
SandraDodd : Not like pus, like the blob.
Felicitas : Sandra is GAK
JodyJohn : Do you have an extra room, BARB?
QuiltCrazy : Who's here from FL? What are the laws like there. I
wasn't paying attention before.
Gleebigg : lived there, unhappy
TDrnkngGrd : Never go back to Georgia,
SandraDodd : No, not like the blob, like dippity do.
AKMomOf3 : No way Barb.. no white Christmas there!
BARB FRED : Ya!!
AnneGolden : I loved Florida when I lived there.
BARB FRED : yeah, no snow :-(
AnneGolden : The weather was wonderful, it was warm,
Felicitas : Everybody move to Calif!
SandraDodd : No way, Felicitas.
QuiltCrazy : Anne, where were you in FL. I left Ft. Walton Beach
three years ago.
AnneGolden : there were beaches and Disneyland.
TDrnkngGrd : Fel, I'll be there in the spring.
BARB FRED : no way, I heard CA was hard to HS in
Gleebigg : lived in CA for 9 years
AnneGolden : I lived in Gainesville.
Felicitas : You'll be broke, but the hs laws are cake
AKMomOf3 : Everybody move to Alaska and help me fight for our
SandraDodd : California's a nice place to visit but I wouldn't
want to register a car there or pay rent
TDrnkngGrd : We're going to Disney World next year.
Felicitas : Barb, who told you that?
BARB FRED : Gainsville, GA??
AnneGolden : Disney World was GREAT.
TDrnkngGrd : Helen is moving to Alaska. Helen of Home Education
AnneGolden : Gainesville, Florida.
SandraDodd : Isn't it cold in Alaska?
AnneGolden : My husband was getting his PhD at the University of
SandraDodd : LOLOL
TDrnkngGrd : Is it near Cocoa Beach. I'll be there.
BARB FRED : A friend of mine from CA, but then again that was her
excuse for NOT homeschooling
SandraDodd : It was 18 degrees here in Albuquerque yesterday with
the sun shining in a clear sky.
AnneGolden : When you go to Disney World, make sure you spend at
least a day at Epcot.
BARB FRED : Really? TD?
SandraDodd : Might as well have been in Alaska
TDrnkngGrd : Yes.
Felicitas : She's mistaken. Here, you file an R-4 affidavit
declaring yourself a homeschool.
Gleebigg : going to FL in March to space camp
JodyJohn : I lived in Gainesville for 4 years -- have been in
Miami for 4 1/2 years
TDrnkngGrd : I'll be there between May and July. No set date.
TDrnkngGrd : Hubby's job.
Felicitas : Scuse me, a PRIVATE school!
AnneGolden : My son went to Space camp and loved it.
QuiltCrazy : Sandra, I love ALBQ.
BARB FRED : oh, jody
Gleebigg : son is really excited, it's a Christmas present
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TDrnkngGrd : My son doesn't want to leave home. I want him to go
to space camp.
BARB FRED : any monitoring in CA?
Felicitas : The state doesn't want any responsibility for its own
failings, so they leave private schools alone
Gleebigg : and birthday
SandraDodd : I have to go read to the kids now. They finally
quieted down. This was a lot of fun, folks.
Felicitas : No, Barb
AnneGolden : There is a parent-child option at space camp.
TDrnkngGrd : Bye Sandra.
SandraDodd : Aerobic typing.
AKMomOf3 : Hey all.... Thanks so much for your help...
AnneGolden : Fingers smoking.
BARB FRED : WONDERFUL....Florida sounds like a real PAIN!
AKMomOf3 : my baby is wanting his mommy!
Gleebigg : we're going to the parent child space camp, son not
old enough to attend alone
Felicitas : The only thing the state requires is that you keep
attendance, and they need a subpeona to see that.
12/19/96 11:17:10 PM Closing Log file.