Unschooling moment
Robyn L. Coburn
More on the unforseen consequences of unrestricted tv viewing including pure entertainment....
So Jayn and I were watching tv together yesterday, when one of those community service announcements came on encouraging parents to talk to their children about electrical safety in the home, mentioning a couple of dangers.
Jayn and I have never had that kind of talk, although various electrical safety things have come up in passing in the course of activities (like pretty much everything!), but I somewhat lightly asked Jayn if she knew what the ad was talking about.
Her answer (with only a small eye roll), "Of course I know that Mom. I watch Family Guy."
For those unfamiliar with the show, you would think that the satire Family Guy would be the last place to learn about electrical safety in the home, but Jayn was able to rattle off a bunch of episodes where Peter was doing something so monumentally stupid and unsafe (because he's a comic idiot) that Jayn learnt to do the opposite - like the time he was babysitting the kids in the bath and gave them a boom box plugged in to listen to and then left. Keeping electronics away from the bath was one of the specific safety issues in the community service ad.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
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So Jayn and I were watching tv together yesterday, when one of those community service announcements came on encouraging parents to talk to their children about electrical safety in the home, mentioning a couple of dangers.
Jayn and I have never had that kind of talk, although various electrical safety things have come up in passing in the course of activities (like pretty much everything!), but I somewhat lightly asked Jayn if she knew what the ad was talking about.
Her answer (with only a small eye roll), "Of course I know that Mom. I watch Family Guy."
For those unfamiliar with the show, you would think that the satire Family Guy would be the last place to learn about electrical safety in the home, but Jayn was able to rattle off a bunch of episodes where Peter was doing something so monumentally stupid and unsafe (because he's a comic idiot) that Jayn learnt to do the opposite - like the time he was babysitting the kids in the bath and gave them a boom box plugged in to listen to and then left. Keeping electronics away from the bath was one of the specific safety issues in the community service ad.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
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Lyla Wolfenstein
lol robyn, my son has learned SO much of what he knows about safety, history, politics, and pop culture, amongst other things, from a combo of southpark and family guy!
lyla
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lyla
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Anne Mills
==Jayn was able to rattle off a bunch of episodes where Peter was doing something so monumentally stupid and unsafe (because he's a comic idiot) that Jayn learnt to do the opposite======that is brilliant !I also watch William learn from ''mistakes'' seen on tv or like when he learns to laugh at a joke without understanding it (or it seems like he does not) when in fact he ''gets'' the essence of the joke which is coming from the comedian agility, the rythm of the words.
That is why I have been able to assume the veracity of the people on this list and some others whom talked about trusting children to draw what they ''need'' from a show they like.
Their comprehension in very complete.My three year old only gets into simple shows like Spot partly because she is pulling some suggestions of how the dog moves and talks, and also bacause some of those very simple adventures she has experienced herself or would like to experience (like the picnic and the hiding). While other muppet shows bore her because their adventures are less interesting to her. Too ''educational'' not because she is too young to understand but because she does not care about where they are at.
Anne
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From: dezigna@...
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:11:29 -0800
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Unschooling moment
More on the unforseen consequences of unrestricted tv viewing including pure entertainment....
So Jayn and I were watching tv together yesterday, when one of those community service announcements came on encouraging parents to talk to their children about electrical safety in the home, mentioning a couple of dangers.
Jayn and I have never had that kind of talk, although various electrical safety things have come up in passing in the course of activities (like pretty much everything!), but I somewhat lightly asked Jayn if she knew what the ad was talking about.
Her answer (with only a small eye roll), "Of course I know that Mom. I watch Family Guy."
For those unfamiliar with the show, you would think that the satire Family Guy would be the last place to learn about electrical safety in the home, but Jayn was able to rattle off a bunch of episodes where Peter was doing something so monumentally stupid and unsafe (because he's a comic idiot) that Jayn learnt to do the opposite - like the time he was babysitting the kids in the bath and gave them a boom box plugged in to listen to and then left. Keeping electronics away from the bath was one of the specific safety issues in the community service ad.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
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That is why I have been able to assume the veracity of the people on this list and some others whom talked about trusting children to draw what they ''need'' from a show they like.
Their comprehension in very complete.My three year old only gets into simple shows like Spot partly because she is pulling some suggestions of how the dog moves and talks, and also bacause some of those very simple adventures she has experienced herself or would like to experience (like the picnic and the hiding). While other muppet shows bore her because their adventures are less interesting to her. Too ''educational'' not because she is too young to understand but because she does not care about where they are at.
Anne
To: [email protected]
From: dezigna@...
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:11:29 -0800
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Unschooling moment
More on the unforseen consequences of unrestricted tv viewing including pure entertainment....
So Jayn and I were watching tv together yesterday, when one of those community service announcements came on encouraging parents to talk to their children about electrical safety in the home, mentioning a couple of dangers.
Jayn and I have never had that kind of talk, although various electrical safety things have come up in passing in the course of activities (like pretty much everything!), but I somewhat lightly asked Jayn if she knew what the ad was talking about.
Her answer (with only a small eye roll), "Of course I know that Mom. I watch Family Guy."
For those unfamiliar with the show, you would think that the satire Family Guy would be the last place to learn about electrical safety in the home, but Jayn was able to rattle off a bunch of episodes where Peter was doing something so monumentally stupid and unsafe (because he's a comic idiot) that Jayn learnt to do the opposite - like the time he was babysitting the kids in the bath and gave them a boom box plugged in to listen to and then left. Keeping electronics away from the bath was one of the specific safety issues in the community service ad.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
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Jenny Cyphers
***That is why I have been able to assume the veracity of the people on this list and some others whom talked about trusting children to draw what they ''need'' from a show they like.***
Margaux has been on a tv marathon lately. She's watched every episode of Xena, the Warrior Princess, That's So Raven, a huge amount of Legend of the Seeker, more than a few Arthur episodes, dozens of movies, Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew tv series from the 70's, and now we are all working on 30 Rock, and when we get bored and need a stand by, it's South Park.
Every show has something of value that she learns from. Yesterday we had a conversation about the Hardy Boys and how they were hotties from the 70's. Margaux was just beside herself with trying to wrap her head around the fact that they were hotties. She figured out the formula pretty early on, Joe gets the cute girl in the show, always the blonde one, and Frank is more likely to help the old lady, but sometimes he gets a cute brunette. Her dad added to the conversation by telling her that those guys were on a lot of magazine covers, just like the Jonas Brothers.
It was a small bit of history of pop culture, that replicates itself. She's paying attention to all of it, every bit of social and pop culture. Prior to that, when she was on the Xena marathon, she was learning a ton of mythology. And just now on 30 Rock they made reference to a bar drink called the Nancy Drew for girls and Hardy Boys for guys, which she smiled and laughed at.
Margaux has been on a tv marathon lately. She's watched every episode of Xena, the Warrior Princess, That's So Raven, a huge amount of Legend of the Seeker, more than a few Arthur episodes, dozens of movies, Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew tv series from the 70's, and now we are all working on 30 Rock, and when we get bored and need a stand by, it's South Park.
Every show has something of value that she learns from. Yesterday we had a conversation about the Hardy Boys and how they were hotties from the 70's. Margaux was just beside herself with trying to wrap her head around the fact that they were hotties. She figured out the formula pretty early on, Joe gets the cute girl in the show, always the blonde one, and Frank is more likely to help the old lady, but sometimes he gets a cute brunette. Her dad added to the conversation by telling her that those guys were on a lot of magazine covers, just like the Jonas Brothers.
It was a small bit of history of pop culture, that replicates itself. She's paying attention to all of it, every bit of social and pop culture. Prior to that, when she was on the Xena marathon, she was learning a ton of mythology. And just now on 30 Rock they made reference to a bar drink called the Nancy Drew for girls and Hardy Boys for guys, which she smiled and laughed at.
memismommy
We recently adopted a kitten for Annalise. She's friendly and thriving, but she's snotty...really snotty. Annalise heard about a cat with swine flu, and theorizes that's what Thumbelina has, too.
I started to talk with them about immunity, and Jeremiah did that exact eye-roll, and said "Iknow, Mom...and told usabout immunity, antibodies, that there is a shot, that there are lots of kinds of flu... he DID know!
And when I opened my mouth, he said, "From Sid the Science Kid!" a la Radar O'Reilly, before I could get a word out.
That was just after all the discussion of Elvis songs and alien social workers during Lilo and Stitch, and just before Frank Sinatra Jr. on Family Guy...
I haven't regretted the choice to -at long last- get cable for even a second! And I am wondering why I ever wanted to control what and how often they watched....
Shan
"THE UNFETTERED LIFE"
www.memismommy.blogspot.com
I started to talk with them about immunity, and Jeremiah did that exact eye-roll, and said "Iknow, Mom...and told usabout immunity, antibodies, that there is a shot, that there are lots of kinds of flu... he DID know!
And when I opened my mouth, he said, "From Sid the Science Kid!" a la Radar O'Reilly, before I could get a word out.
That was just after all the discussion of Elvis songs and alien social workers during Lilo and Stitch, and just before Frank Sinatra Jr. on Family Guy...
I haven't regretted the choice to -at long last- get cable for even a second! And I am wondering why I ever wanted to control what and how often they watched....
Shan
"THE UNFETTERED LIFE"
www.memismommy.blogspot.com
Valentine
My son used to watch tv in bed (we have a family bedroom) but at some point it started to be a problem for me because i couldn't sleep and it would last very long.
So i told him he could watch as much tv as he wanted in the living-room and then (if he wanted and hadn't fallen asleep while watching tv) we would go to our bedroom and i would read a story to him. He usually fell asleep after 5 minutes.
I realized it was not fair to him because what was nice for him was also watching tv in our bed with me before falling asleep.
And he was not free at all.
So, i asked him if it was ok for him to go to our bedroom a little earlier (before midnight) to watch a cartoon or whatever.
But last night we played a lot and he watched dinosaur in the living-room and we all (with his dad and his sister) went to bed after midnight, we were exhausted because the night before had been difficult, and he still asked to watch something.
I don't know what to do. I feel the best thing to do would be to give up (not in a negative way) as he's only five and let him choose even if it's not the best for me. But, if every night i can't sleep before 1 or 2, i'm gonna lack some sleep because his little sister will wake me up il the morning.
Thanks for your help!
Valentine
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So i told him he could watch as much tv as he wanted in the living-room and then (if he wanted and hadn't fallen asleep while watching tv) we would go to our bedroom and i would read a story to him. He usually fell asleep after 5 minutes.
I realized it was not fair to him because what was nice for him was also watching tv in our bed with me before falling asleep.
And he was not free at all.
So, i asked him if it was ok for him to go to our bedroom a little earlier (before midnight) to watch a cartoon or whatever.
But last night we played a lot and he watched dinosaur in the living-room and we all (with his dad and his sister) went to bed after midnight, we were exhausted because the night before had been difficult, and he still asked to watch something.
I don't know what to do. I feel the best thing to do would be to give up (not in a negative way) as he's only five and let him choose even if it's not the best for me. But, if every night i can't sleep before 1 or 2, i'm gonna lack some sleep because his little sister will wake me up il the morning.
Thanks for your help!
Valentine
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Best thing that every came into our household...was wireless earphones for TV viewing =)
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From: Valentine <matsacha33@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:40 am
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] tv in bed
My son used to watch tv in bed (we have a family bedroom) but at some point it started to be a problem for me because i couldn't sleep and it would last very long.
So i told him he could watch as much tv as he wanted in the living-room and then (if he wanted and hadn't fallen asleep while watching tv) we would go to our bedroom and i would read a story to him. He usually fell asleep after 5 minutes.
I realized it was not fair to him because what was nice for him was also watching tv in our bed with me before falling asleep.
And he was not free at all.
So, i asked him if it was ok for him to go to our bedroom a little earlier (before midnight) to watch a cartoon or whatever.
But last night we played a lot and he watched dinosaur in the living-room and we all (with his dad and his sister) went to bed after midnight, we were exhausted because the night before had been difficult, and he still asked to watch something.
I don't know what to do. I feel the best thing to do would be to give up (not in a negative way) as he's only five and let him choose even if it's not the best for me. But, if every night i can't sleep before 1 or 2, i'm gonna lack some sleep because his little sister will wake me up il the morning.
Thanks for your help!
Valentine
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From: Valentine <matsacha33@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:40 am
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] tv in bed
My son used to watch tv in bed (we have a family bedroom) but at some point it started to be a problem for me because i couldn't sleep and it would last very long.
So i told him he could watch as much tv as he wanted in the living-room and then (if he wanted and hadn't fallen asleep while watching tv) we would go to our bedroom and i would read a story to him. He usually fell asleep after 5 minutes.
I realized it was not fair to him because what was nice for him was also watching tv in our bed with me before falling asleep.
And he was not free at all.
So, i asked him if it was ok for him to go to our bedroom a little earlier (before midnight) to watch a cartoon or whatever.
But last night we played a lot and he watched dinosaur in the living-room and we all (with his dad and his sister) went to bed after midnight, we were exhausted because the night before had been difficult, and he still asked to watch something.
I don't know what to do. I feel the best thing to do would be to give up (not in a negative way) as he's only five and let him choose even if it's not the best for me. But, if every night i can't sleep before 1 or 2, i'm gonna lack some sleep because his little sister will wake me up il the morning.
Thanks for your help!
Valentine
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Robyn L. Coburn
Jayn watches a lot of tv in bed, but I sleep with earplugs anyway, and dh
likes some background sound to sleep also. She is usually watching tv
because she is *not* ready to sleep but I am. It works for us because I get
to sleep that way. It wouldn't work if I were being kept awake, as seems to
be happening at Valentine's house.
It sounds like the routine you had before with the reading and falling
asleep in five minutes was really nice and worked very well. He has a lot of
choices about watching tv and still gets the most important thing - some
close time with Mommy before gently going to sleep.
This process made going to bed with Mommy really special and nice.
Was he complaining that he wanted to watch more TV, or did you fix something
that wasn't broken?
It's not necessarily good to impose freedom on the household if the result
is discarding things that are peaceful and nice.
As for the other night, it may have been that he was having so much fun with
the playing that he was using tv as a tool to stay awake and have more (I do
that too.) I would work on bringing the play energy down gradually starting
a little earlier.
Sandra has written a lot about winding down the atmosphere in the living
room, with cosy blankets and such.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
likes some background sound to sleep also. She is usually watching tv
because she is *not* ready to sleep but I am. It works for us because I get
to sleep that way. It wouldn't work if I were being kept awake, as seems to
be happening at Valentine's house.
It sounds like the routine you had before with the reading and falling
asleep in five minutes was really nice and worked very well. He has a lot of
choices about watching tv and still gets the most important thing - some
close time with Mommy before gently going to sleep.
This process made going to bed with Mommy really special and nice.
Was he complaining that he wanted to watch more TV, or did you fix something
that wasn't broken?
It's not necessarily good to impose freedom on the household if the result
is discarding things that are peaceful and nice.
As for the other night, it may have been that he was having so much fun with
the playing that he was using tv as a tool to stay awake and have more (I do
that too.) I would work on bringing the play energy down gradually starting
a little earlier.
Sandra has written a lot about winding down the atmosphere in the living
room, with cosy blankets and such.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Valentine" <matsacha33@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:40 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] tv in bed
My son used to watch tv in bed (we have a family bedroom) but at some point
it started to be a problem for me because i couldn't sleep and it would last
very long.
So i told him he could watch as much tv as he wanted in the living-room and
then (if he wanted and hadn't fallen asleep while watching tv) we would go
to our bedroom and i would read a story to him. He usually fell asleep after
5 minutes.
I realized it was not fair to him because what was nice for him was also
watching tv in our bed with me before falling asleep.
And he was not free at all.
So, i asked him if it was ok for him to go to our bedroom a little earlier
(before midnight) to watch a cartoon or whatever.
But last night we played a lot and he watched dinosaur in the living-room
and we all (with his dad and his sister) went to bed after midnight, we were
exhausted because the night before had been difficult, and he still asked to
watch something.
I don't know what to do. I feel the best thing to do would be to give up
(not in a negative way) as he's only five and let him choose even if it's
not the best for me. But, if every night i can't sleep before 1 or 2, i'm
gonna lack some sleep because his little sister will wake me up il the
morning.
Thanks for your help!
Valentine
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