Verna

The kids are out playing in the sprinkler and asking to paint. I thought sidewalk paint would be fun but have never made it and dont have cornstarch (online recipe calls for it). Any ideas?
Dont have a car today.

Thanks
Laura

Sarah

My son once made a paint using flour, water and food coloring. Mix it to the consistancy you want.

Do you have sidewalk chalk? You could crush it and add water.

Sarah

--- In [email protected], "Verna" <lalow@...> wrote:
>
> The kids are out playing in the sprinkler and asking to paint. I thought sidewalk paint would be fun but have never made it and dont have cornstarch (online recipe calls for it). Any ideas?
> Dont have a car today.
>
> Thanks
> Laura
>

Sandra Dodd

Mixing water with sidewalk chalk *might* work but what would work
wonderfully is to use sidewalk chalk on a wet sidewalk. Spray the
sidewalk first, or even just pour water out first, and the chalk will
look BEAUTIFUL.


-=-My son once made a paint using flour, water and food coloring. Mix
it to the consistancy you want.=-

Depends whose sidewalk it is. If it belongs to your family, go for
it. If you're renting, or it's part of landscaping of an apartment
building or it's a public sidewalk, that might not come off well at all.

Tempera paints or water colors would work and come off pretty easily
with a hose.

Sandra

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Pam Sorooshian

Rosie (18 year old) is taking a political science class at the community
college and this morning the professor asked her to stay after class. He
said he'd shown her term paper to his editor (he writes textbooks) and
they really like her writing and want to know if she'd like a job doing
some writing for a comparative political systems book they're working on
over the summer.

FUNNY thing - Rosie doesn't think of herself as a good writer at ALL.
Roxana is the big writer - Rosie's opinion of her own writing ability
was pretty low (but she really only had Roxana to compare herself to,
and Roxana is a really truly gifted writer). She had been really
surprised to get 100 percent on her term paper, but I'd told her it was
a really good paper. She hasn't taken any other college courses that
require writing - this is the first. Other than this, she's written
NaNoWriMo novels and SriptFrenzy screenplays. She's had no writing
instruction of any kind. Always unschooled.

She told him she'd think about it, but told me she doesn't think she
wants to do it. I told her to ask if they'd be interested in her sister
because she be more interested in that kind of work.


-pam

Pam Sorooshian

I'm so sorry - resending this because I forgot to change the subject line.

-pam

On 4/28/2009 12:44 PM, Pam Sorooshian wrote:
> Rosie (18 year old) is taking a political science class at the community
> college and this morning the professor asked her to stay after class. He
> said he'd shown her term paper to his editor (he writes textbooks) and
> they really like her writing and want to know if she'd like a job doing
> some writing for a comparative political systems book they're working on
> over the summer.
>
> FUNNY thing - Rosie doesn't think of herself as a good writer at ALL.
> Roxana is the big writer - Rosie's opinion of her own writing ability
> was pretty low (but she really only had Roxana to compare herself to,
> and Roxana is a really truly gifted writer). She had been really
> surprised to get 100 percent on her term paper, but I'd told her it was
> a really good paper. She hasn't taken any other college courses that
> require writing - this is the first. Other than this, she's written
> NaNoWriMo novels and SriptFrenzy screenplays. She's had no writing
> instruction of any kind. Always unschooled.
>
> She told him she'd think about it, but told me she doesn't think she
> wants to do it. I told her to ask if they'd be interested in her sister
> because she be more interested in that kind of work.
>
>
> -pam
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Roberta Scherr

That is so cool.  But it points up one of the problems of school which can occur with unschooling siblings which is the natural human tendency to compare oneself with others.  I can't think of a way of avoiding it entirely.

It also strikes me that there are so many kinds of writing...one person could be good at term papers, another at poetry.




________________________________
From: Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:44:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: homemade side walk paint???





Rosie (18 year old) is taking a political science class at the community
college and this morning the professor asked her to stay after class. He
said he'd shown her term paper to his editor (he writes textbooks) and
they really like her writing and want to know if she'd like a job doing
some writing for a comparative political systems book they're working on
over the summer.

FUNNY thing - Rosie doesn't think of herself as a good writer at ALL.
Roxana is the big writer - Rosie's opinion of her own writing ability
was pretty low (but she really only had Roxana to compare herself to,
and Roxana is a really truly gifted writer). She had been really
surprised to get 100 percent on her term paper, but I'd told her it was
a really good paper. She hasn't taken any other college courses that
require writing - this is the first. Other than this, she's written
NaNoWriMo novels and SriptFrenzy screenplays. She's had no writing
instruction of any kind. Always unschooled.

She told him she'd think about it, but told me she doesn't think she
wants to do it. I told her to ask if they'd be interested in her sister
because she be more interested in that kind of work.

-pam






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Sandra Dodd

-=-
I'm so sorry - resending this because I forgot to change the subject
line.-=-

EEEk. I hope Joyce and Schuyler and Deb and Diana aren't all hitting
"send" right now!! <g>

Changing the subject line isn't even enough, really. It would still
show up as a response to the sidewalk paint.

To start a whole new discussion from e-mail, don't use reply, but
start a whole brand new e-mail and put the group address in yourself.

Sandra

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[email protected]

In a message dated 4/28/2009 3:30:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Sandra@... writes:

<<<Tempera paints or water colors would work and come off pretty easily
with a hose.>>>




Tempera paints tend to stick a bit to porches - photos from my blog of
painting the porch and sidewalk:
_http://and-the-kitchen-sink.blogspot.com/2007_09_01archive.html_
(http://and-the-kitchen-sink.blogspot.com/2007_09_01archive.html) -
and last a while on asphalt/blacktop. The gold seems the most durable. Wyl
squirted some into our street one evening from our driveway and made
rainbows on the street and with lots of rain and traffic, it took more than a
week to wear off.

Peace,
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Sandra Dodd

-=-That is so cool. But it points up one of the problems of school
which can occur with unschooling siblings which is the natural human
tendency to compare oneself with others. I can't think of a way of
avoiding it entirely.-=-

I think it was about having a job. If it's a job she doesn't want and
they actually need someone, her sister might be a reasonable
suggestion. The same way siblings sometimes have similar singing
voices, sometimes they have similar voices in phrasing too, and
similar patterns of thought. Not always, but sometimes. Sometimes
siblings play a sport similarly, or an instrument.

If there is a natural tendency to compare oneself with others (and I
think there is), how is that a problem of school?

Sandra

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Roberta Scherr

School, with grades and emphasis on uniform achievement encourages comparison and competition, that's all.




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From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:17:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: homemade side walk paint???





-=-That is so cool. But it points up one of the problems of school
which can occur with unschooling siblings which is the natural human
tendency to compare oneself with others. I can't think of a way of
avoiding it entirely.-=-

I think it was about having a job. If it's a job she doesn't want and
they actually need someone, her sister might be a reasonable
suggestion. The same way siblings sometimes have similar singing
voices, sometimes they have similar voices in phrasing too, and
similar patterns of thought. Not always, but sometimes. Sometimes
siblings play a sport similarly, or an instrument.

If there is a natural tendency to compare oneself with others (and I
think there is), how is that a problem of school?

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-School, with grades and emphasis on uniform achievement encourages
comparison and competition, that's all.-=-

I figured that's what you meant, but what you wrote seemed to suggest
that outside of school, comparisons were unnatural or unhealthy, and I
disagree. Within each of Gardner's intelligences, I think the better
a person is in that area, the more likely he or she is to know who's
better. I can't tell which football player is better than another,
but I see who writes better than I do and who doesn't.

Part of one's own self image is knowing where one's stands in various
ways. Part of healthy humility is knowing some people can do some
things better than others, and not being emotional about it, but just
accepting it and maybe even appreciating it.

Sandra

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Robyn L. Coburn

<<<<> School, with grades and emphasis on uniform achievement encourages
comparison and competition, that's all.>>>

I'm not sure what the point is here. If self-comparison is something that
occurs amongst unschooling siblings, in the absence of school attendance,
then it seems illogical to blame school for that particular event. We all
know that schools create and encourage all kinds of effects, beliefs,
self-image issues, peer issues including comparison and competition -
avoiding those negative characteristics of school is one of the reason we
unschool. Generally I find talking about what's great about unschooling
helps me feel a lot better than rehashing all that's wrong with school.

I only have one child. But something that I have noticed, in a very striking
way at conferences, is how mutually supportive unschooling siblings often
appear. This is especially noticeable as they get a bit older - teens and
nearly teens. I personally have witnessed this time and again. Someone makes
a complimentary comment about one person's art work, and the child
immediately says "you should see what my sister does". Siblings boast about
each other. They talk each other up. It's not competition - it's teamwork.
It's very moving.

I wonder if that is partly a function of the amount of time the kids are
spending with their parents (ie not always competing for very limited time
with mom and dad), as well as the absence of external competitive factors
like grades that are so often prominent in conventional family situations,
real and fictional. This along with avoiding the kind of labelling
conventional parents will do all unthinkingly and humorously - "this one is
our clever kid, but her sister is our athlete".

The story didn't strike me as Rosie comparing herself to Roxana in a
competitive way, but just that she hadn't considered Roxana might be
interested in the gig until Pam thought of it. It seems like Rosie's writing
interests up until now have been focussed in various fiction endeavors
rather than academic writing. There is ample room for both kinds of writing,
and more, in the world. You have only to ask Stephen King or J.K. Rowling
which kind pays best at the top...(not that this is the first consideration
in following your bliss).

Still, it's nice to be asked, even if you don't want the job. Nice to
discover a new talent about yourself. Nice to be complimented.

Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com

Pam Sorooshian

On 4/28/2009 11:35 PM, Robyn L. Coburn wrote:
> The story didn't strike me as Rosie comparing herself to Roxana in a
> competitive way, but just that she hadn't considered Roxana might be
> interested in the gig until Pam thought of it. It seems like Rosie's writing
> interests up until now have been focussed in various fiction endeavors
> rather than academic writing. There is ample room for both kinds of writing,
> and more, in the world. You have only to ask Stephen King or J.K. Rowling
> which kind pays best at the top...(not that this is the first consideration
> in following your bliss).
>

Rosie didn't think of herself as a good writer in the sense of writing
college term papers, and Roxana is really good at it. Rox is a person
who really enjoys the academic life (ironically, I guess, having been
unschooled from 7 years old on). She truly loves college. She ENJOYS
doing her class assignments, for the most part. She has been a very
word-oriented person since she was about 3 years old when she began
reading quite fluently, on her own. Rosie is proud of her and admires her.

What I was saying is that Rosie didn't think of herself as a
particularly good (college paper) writer, because she was only familiar
with Roxana's writing and didn't have any way of knowing how she'd stack
up compared to other college students since this is her first class that
required this kind of writing.

Rosie doesn't feel jealous or competitive with Roxana at all; she knows
that Rox writes and analyzes really well and gets really high grades and
lots of positive comments from professors regarding her writing.
> Still, it's nice to be asked, even if you don't want the job. Nice to
> discover a new talent about yourself. Nice to be complimented.
>

It came as a nice surprise to her.

I think Robyn is right that unschooled siblings tend to be unusually
supportive of each other and rather matter-of-fact about each others'
relative strengths.

-pam

Sandra Dodd

-=- I personally have witnessed this time and again. Someone makes
a complimentary comment about one person's art work, and the child
immediately says "you should see what my sister does". Siblings boast
about
each other. They talk each other up. It's not competition - it's
teamwork.
It's very moving.-=-

Kirby spoke at the HENA conference in Tempe in March this year. As
part of introducing himself, he pointed out Holly, and then he said
Marty wasn't there but if people ever got a chance to hang out with
Marty they really should, because he was [whatever all he said like
fun and interesting, a good guy, I forget].

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-I think Robyn is right that unschooled siblings tend to be unusually
supportive of each other and rather matter-of-fact about each others'
relative strengths.-=-

For us it seems to have naturally arising from the attitude (learned
from my La Leche League leaders in 1986) of being partners and not
adversaries.

As the team grew to five, from two or three, as the others were born,
and that principle continued to be one of the best I'd ever learned,
the kids felt themselves to part of a partnership, too. They offer
to help each other. They ask for assistance, or special skills
help. Marty's very mechanical and can create and creatively repair.
Holly's artistic and gives good advice about clothes and hair which
the boys don't need much, but when they do they go straight to Holly.
When they want interpersonal advice they call Kirby.

When Holly was little she was better in some ways at math than the
boys were, even then (and none of them are slouches at all). She
could read an analog clock before Kirby and Marty could. She could
figure money out quickly (and nowadays in both her jobs she handles
cash and cards and discounts and coupons and specials and all kinds of
stuff without batting an eye). When they're out with money, from the
time they were little to now, it was not unusual for them to pool, or
to ask one person to keep all the money and then figure out who still
had what when they got home. Often it was Holly, because she had a
purse and is good with such things.

Last night they were telling me a story about Kirby's ex girlfriend,
who's going out with the older brother of Brett's ex girlfriend (all
part of the same gaming community). It could have been a snarkfest,
but no, the story they were telling is that she's inconsiderate about
tipping, and the new boyfriend backs her up; if she decides not to tip
at a restaurant, he won't either, even when they're in a group, which
makes the whole group look bad and the wait staff has no idea who
"didn't tip," so it results in just shorting the group she's with
rather than insulting the waitress.

They know each other's strengths and they're philosophical about
what's involved in being a good person.

Sandra

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Verna

we ended up using a combination of flour, water, and food coloring and drew all over it and under it with sidewalk chalk. turned out pretty cool. it is actually on our driveway (which we own). the kids had fun with it. thanks for the suggestions.

Sandra Dodd

-=we ended up using a combination of flour, water, and food coloring
and drew all over it and under it with sidewalk chalk. turned out
pretty cool-=-

Did you take photos? Is it on a blog somewhere? <g>

I was wondering if those who made the spaghetti through hot dog things
might've taken photos. I did! I was going to make a page linked from
monkeyplatters, and maybe mystery art, too.

Another possible photo use (if people have photos I could use) is
kids sleeping in cute places, or just peacefully or unusually in their
own beds. There are some here:
http://sandradodd.com/sleeping

It might be fun to add more. They wouldn't need to be recent.

Sandra

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kbutts1216

We made the spaghetti through hot dogs tonight, and I just posted some pictures on our blog:

http://houseofhsus.blogspot.com/2009/04/fun-with-food.html

Karen

> I was wondering if those who made the spaghetti through hot dog things
> might've taken photos. I did! I was going to make a page linked from
> monkeyplatters, and maybe mystery art, too.
>