introduction with question
rowena___.
greetings all! my name is rowena, i am the mom to a spectacular five
year old named ella, and wife to a spectacular husband named rudi. i
have been reading the list for a couple of months now so as to learn
before posting, but now i have a question that i hope some of you can
help me with.
ella has a little playmate who is obsessed with the disney princesse,
and now ella is obsessed with them too. while i don't have anything
against princesses generally, i'm challenged to learn what this
particular interest means to ella. i have never been a huge fan of
disney, but we haven't banned them from our home--we just never
watched the movies until ella's friend introduced them to her. what
do they mean to her? what does she learn from THESE princesses, as
opposed to other, more generic princesses? and how do i explain why
we can't buy all these toys and books and costumes and auxillary
items when this young friend has EVERY. PIECE. OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.
MERCHANDISE?
i hope these questions make sense. we don't want or need to try to
control our child's interests, but i do want to understand them, esp.
because i have never been a "princessy" type of person.
thank you for your indulgence in what might seem very small concern
to some people. i look forward to learning from all of you and hope
that i can even contribute as well.
babalu! rowena___. MAMA of ella
www.ella-echo.com
www.rostitchery.com
"when was the last time you did something for the first time?"
year old named ella, and wife to a spectacular husband named rudi. i
have been reading the list for a couple of months now so as to learn
before posting, but now i have a question that i hope some of you can
help me with.
ella has a little playmate who is obsessed with the disney princesse,
and now ella is obsessed with them too. while i don't have anything
against princesses generally, i'm challenged to learn what this
particular interest means to ella. i have never been a huge fan of
disney, but we haven't banned them from our home--we just never
watched the movies until ella's friend introduced them to her. what
do they mean to her? what does she learn from THESE princesses, as
opposed to other, more generic princesses? and how do i explain why
we can't buy all these toys and books and costumes and auxillary
items when this young friend has EVERY. PIECE. OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.
MERCHANDISE?
i hope these questions make sense. we don't want or need to try to
control our child's interests, but i do want to understand them, esp.
because i have never been a "princessy" type of person.
thank you for your indulgence in what might seem very small concern
to some people. i look forward to learning from all of you and hope
that i can even contribute as well.
babalu! rowena___. MAMA of ella
www.ella-echo.com
www.rostitchery.com
"when was the last time you did something for the first time?"
Paula Sjogerman
On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:08 AM, rowena___. wrote:
basic tenets is trust. You may sometime see what it is Ella is
getting out of PrincessLand - and I encourage you to spend some time
seeing if you can figure it out - but you may also never know. And
that's okay. Trust that is something she needs.
When she was around 4, my daughter Zoe (now 19), used to trace
letters with little objects. Sometimes she would trace with a pen or
pencil and make marks, and sometimes she would just trace invisibly
with a tiny teapot or whatever was at hand. To this day, I really
don't know what she got out of that, but she spent a lot of
concentrated time doing it. She is a lovely, capable, kind person, so
I assume whatever it was - was good!
Paula
> while i don't have anythingWelcome to the wonderful world of unschooling! And one of the most
> against princesses generally, i'm challenged to learn what this
> particular interest means to ella. i have never been a huge fan of
> disney, but we haven't banned them from our home--we just never
> watched the movies until ella's friend introduced them to her. what
> do they mean to her? what does she learn from THESE princesses, as
> opposed to other, more generic princesses?
basic tenets is trust. You may sometime see what it is Ella is
getting out of PrincessLand - and I encourage you to spend some time
seeing if you can figure it out - but you may also never know. And
that's okay. Trust that is something she needs.
When she was around 4, my daughter Zoe (now 19), used to trace
letters with little objects. Sometimes she would trace with a pen or
pencil and make marks, and sometimes she would just trace invisibly
with a tiny teapot or whatever was at hand. To this day, I really
don't know what she got out of that, but she spent a lot of
concentrated time doing it. She is a lovely, capable, kind person, so
I assume whatever it was - was good!
Paula
Joyce Fetteroll
> When she was around 4, my daughter Zoe (now 19), used to traceWhen my daughter was 8, after she came out of 2 months of trying
> letters with little objects
second grade, she spent several months churning out what she called
snowflakes but looked like giant asterisks. Hundreds of them, often
in pen, sometimes different colors. She was always good at drawing so
the asterisks were baffling! Then one day she creating this great
drawing of a stapler laying on the floor, better than she'd drawn pre-
asterisk. I have no idea what that was all about but she needed to do
it.
> what do they mean to her? what does she learn from THESEThe Disney people are pretty savvy about what will appeal to a large
> princesses, as opposed to other, more generic princesses?
>
number of girls! ;-) Just like most kids are drawn to primary colors
and bold patterns, the Disney style princesses are designed to match
a need in a lot of kids (mostly girls).
But I wouldn't see that as a bad (greedy corporate) thing any more
than selling blocks in bright colors is bad. Kids have a need and
Disney has a way of meeting it. For other kids it might be Pokemon
or ... I don't know. I'm out of the kid hits loop now! ;-)
> how do i explain whyYou can't. Not in a way she can understand but sympathy can help.
> we can't buy all these toys and books and costumes and auxillary
> items when this young friend has EVERY. PIECE. OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.
> MERCHANDISE?
>
Maybe help her fantasize about what she could do if they could all
magically appear in her house. You can find a way to work it into the
budget so she can get a few. Maybe work together on cutting back the
food budget and she can see the savings building up. It might be a
bit much for a 5 yo but really depends on the 5 yo. Salvation Army or
Goodwill.
Obviously money comes up a lot. If you type budget or buying into the
search box in the archives, some threads might pop up that have
other, more creative ideas.
Joyce
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m_aduhene
Hi,
when my dd 7 was "into" the princesses we did not have much money, so
i used the charity shops (here in england, thrift store where u r) a
lot for costumes, sometimes got lucky. also made princesses out of
salt dough. pictures of disney princesses from magazines, glued them
onto card, sticky back plastic over the top and cut round to make a
"figure", put on a straw and made puppet princesses. my dd was not
really aware then that there was manufactured stuff out there and was
happy with our homemade creations.
blessings
michelle
when my dd 7 was "into" the princesses we did not have much money, so
i used the charity shops (here in england, thrift store where u r) a
lot for costumes, sometimes got lucky. also made princesses out of
salt dough. pictures of disney princesses from magazines, glued them
onto card, sticky back plastic over the top and cut round to make a
"figure", put on a straw and made puppet princesses. my dd was not
really aware then that there was manufactured stuff out there and was
happy with our homemade creations.
blessings
michelle
Verna
I actually have an almost 5 year old daughter that is going through the
same thing- although it is more princesses in general. she has a new
best friend who just LOVES princesses and anything shiny and pink and
dancy. We are not big princess people either. other than our daughter
we have 3 sons. My husband, even more than me, is struggling with this
but i guess when it comes down to it they are just trying on things,
exploring their worlds and will come out on the otherside better off as
long as well dont put down their current passions. It is pretty funny
though to see my daughter, all dressed in tights and a frilly dress
running through a mud puddle with her brothers.
same thing- although it is more princesses in general. she has a new
best friend who just LOVES princesses and anything shiny and pink and
dancy. We are not big princess people either. other than our daughter
we have 3 sons. My husband, even more than me, is struggling with this
but i guess when it comes down to it they are just trying on things,
exploring their worlds and will come out on the otherside better off as
long as well dont put down their current passions. It is pretty funny
though to see my daughter, all dressed in tights and a frilly dress
running through a mud puddle with her brothers.
BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
My 32 months old dd Gigi loves the princesses too. I don't even know how she knew about them. We had not watched a movie and it started. Maybe it was a Cinderella dress another unschooling mom gave us last year at the Live and Learn Conference.
We just bought Belle and Cinderella dolls at Target as they where on sale for $7 dollars.
Plus the dresses may come into sale soon ( Halloween) and they are just under $20 at Target.
For crowns and such I saved them from when McDonald was giving them up about a year ago or so.
You can find stuff on Craig's list, Freecycle, Salvation Army or goodwill ( and such).
We get the movies and books from the Library to read and we also go to youtube to see them ( and horses) .
We just came back from a Cub Scout trio to a Volleyball game at a local High School and Gigi was wearing her Cinderella dress. You can see videos of her in my blog doing chores in the farm dresses as Cinderella.
Too cute,
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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We just bought Belle and Cinderella dolls at Target as they where on sale for $7 dollars.
Plus the dresses may come into sale soon ( Halloween) and they are just under $20 at Target.
For crowns and such I saved them from when McDonald was giving them up about a year ago or so.
You can find stuff on Craig's list, Freecycle, Salvation Army or goodwill ( and such).
We get the movies and books from the Library to read and we also go to youtube to see them ( and horses) .
We just came back from a Cub Scout trio to a Volleyball game at a local High School and Gigi was wearing her Cinderella dress. You can see videos of her in my blog doing chores in the farm dresses as Cinderella.
Too cute,
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
My 32 months old dd Gigi loves the princesses too. I don't even know how she knew about them. We had not watched a movie and it started. Maybe it was a Cinderella dress another unschooling mom gave us last year at the Live and Learn Conference.
We just bought Belle and Cinderella dolls at Target as they where on sale for $7 dollars.
Plus the dresses may come into sale soon ( Halloween) and they are just under $20 at Target.
For crowns and such I saved them from when McDonald was giving them up about a year ago or so.
You can find stuff on Craig's list, Freecycle, Salvation Army or goodwill ( and such).
We get the movies and books from the Library to read and we also go to youtube to see them ( and horses) .
We just came back from a Cub Scout trio to a Volleyball game at a local High School and Gigi was wearing her Cinderella dress. You can see videos of her in my blog doing chores in the farm dresses as Cinderella.
Too cute,
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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We just bought Belle and Cinderella dolls at Target as they where on sale for $7 dollars.
Plus the dresses may come into sale soon ( Halloween) and they are just under $20 at Target.
For crowns and such I saved them from when McDonald was giving them up about a year ago or so.
You can find stuff on Craig's list, Freecycle, Salvation Army or goodwill ( and such).
We get the movies and books from the Library to read and we also go to youtube to see them ( and horses) .
We just came back from a Cub Scout trio to a Volleyball game at a local High School and Gigi was wearing her Cinderella dress. You can see videos of her in my blog doing chores in the farm dresses as Cinderella.
Too cute,
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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emiLy Q.
I have no idea what your daughter is getting out of the disney princesses,
but I can share a little of our experience.
My daughter will be 5 in a few weeks. She has loved princesses for years.
She wore a Cinderella dress EVERY DAY for over a year. She pretends to be a
princess, watches the movies until the discs don't work anymore. We make a
copy for her to watch when we first buy them, and she is on copy #2 and 3 of
some. Dancing, twirling, demanding that she is a "real" princess and that I
am a queen...
Today. Today we were looking up the real story of Robin Hood and Maid
Marian, and REAL queens and princesses (they look like normal people!).
Tonight the last thing she did before she fell asleep was whisper
"Switzerland" into my ear. It's a joke, because earlier today on Spongebob
Squarepants, Mr. Crabs tried to sell someone a junky umbrella by saying it
was once the Queen of Switzerland's. (It was full of holes.) There is no
queen of Switzerland.
So, the princess thing isn't all bad. And just wait until it's Spongebob!
:)
-emiLy, mom to Delia (4.5) & Henry (1)
The EC Store
http://www.TheECstore.com
but I can share a little of our experience.
My daughter will be 5 in a few weeks. She has loved princesses for years.
She wore a Cinderella dress EVERY DAY for over a year. She pretends to be a
princess, watches the movies until the discs don't work anymore. We make a
copy for her to watch when we first buy them, and she is on copy #2 and 3 of
some. Dancing, twirling, demanding that she is a "real" princess and that I
am a queen...
Today. Today we were looking up the real story of Robin Hood and Maid
Marian, and REAL queens and princesses (they look like normal people!).
Tonight the last thing she did before she fell asleep was whisper
"Switzerland" into my ear. It's a joke, because earlier today on Spongebob
Squarepants, Mr. Crabs tried to sell someone a junky umbrella by saying it
was once the Queen of Switzerland's. (It was full of holes.) There is no
queen of Switzerland.
So, the princess thing isn't all bad. And just wait until it's Spongebob!
:)
-emiLy, mom to Delia (4.5) & Henry (1)
The EC Store
http://www.TheECstore.com
Pamela Sorooshian
On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:08 AM, rowena___. wrote:
often has it in the $1 bins.
I, myself, love the Disney princesses. My daughter played Belle in
Beauty and the Beast a few yeas ago and it was glorious!
We go to Disneyland a lot and they have a Disney princesses area these
days that is almost my favorite part of Disneyland.
Here is what their website says about it:
princesses and knights are invited to a royal gathering. Immersive
storytelling, fun crafts, including sparkling crowns to decorate, and
regal ceremonies make this a fairytale experience come true.
Activities at the royal gathering include:
* Disney Princess Storytelling — Join a Disney Princess for a
special story where Guests are invited to help tell the tales.
* Royal Coronation Ceremony — Learn what it takes to be a true
princess or knight with a regal celebration.
* Royal Dance — After taking the Royal Oath, Guests are invited
to take part in a lively group dance.
* Royal Arrivals — Three Disney Princesses make their grand
entrance and greet their Guests.
* And many more royal celebrations.
<<
So - maybe if there is no way you can save enough money for a vacation
there, you can put on a Disney Princess Fantasy Faire of your own.
My advice to you is REVEL in it. The Disney princesses are so fun -
the movies are so great, the music is wonderful, the costumes
gorgeous. What's not to love? Beauty and the Beast is one of my all-
time favorite movies - not favorite children's movie, I mean favorite
movie in general. It is the only animated movie to have been nominated
for an academy award for best picture, I think, so I guess I'm not the
only one who loves it. Maybe rent all the movies in order and have
Disney princess night once a week. Make some food to go along with it
- baked apples for Snow White, for example!
Make costumes - seriously. My girls never had a single store-bought
Disney princess dress, in spite of spending time in the Disney store
very often. We made costumes a lot, though. When they are involved in
the designing and making, they aren't nitpicky about how accurate the
costume is, in my experience.
If you go to Joanne's Fabrics or Michaels you'll find a lot of crafts
that are Disney Princess related - simple embroidery and cross stitch,
plastic canvass things, latch hook rugs, paint by number, shrinky
dinks, beads, and on and on. There are a zillion stickers out there.
There are coloring books. There are low-cost games.
Oh - "Pretty Pretty Princess" is a pretty low-cost game that is SUPER
fun. When my girls were little it was generic princesses but now they
have a Cinderella version and a Sleeping Beauty version. They are all
under 15 dollars.
When I was little I spent a summmer making a whole puppet show of
Sleeping Beauty - the Disney version. I made the basic puppets out of
socks, but spent a LOT of time putting wings on the fairies and a
crown on Sleeping Beauty's prince - stuff like that. I had my mom read
the book and I was the puppet master to act out all the parts with my
puppets. Wish we'd had video cameras back then - I'd love to see it now.
Instead of trying to figure out what a child is getting out of
anything, take it on faith that their interest indicates that, without
a doubt, there is something of value in it for them. Support it. Enjoy
it. Expand it. Connect it to other things. Pursue it. Look for ways to
explore it more. Take great pleasure in it!
-pam
> when this young friend has EVERY. PIECE. OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.There is a lot of low-cost Disney princess stuff - Target very very
> MERCHANDISE?
often has it in the $1 bins.
I, myself, love the Disney princesses. My daughter played Belle in
Beauty and the Beast a few yeas ago and it was glorious!
We go to Disneyland a lot and they have a Disney princesses area these
days that is almost my favorite part of Disneyland.
Here is what their website says about it:
>>Enter the enchanted world of "happily ever after" where little
princesses and knights are invited to a royal gathering. Immersive
storytelling, fun crafts, including sparkling crowns to decorate, and
regal ceremonies make this a fairytale experience come true.
Activities at the royal gathering include:
* Disney Princess Storytelling — Join a Disney Princess for a
special story where Guests are invited to help tell the tales.
* Royal Coronation Ceremony — Learn what it takes to be a true
princess or knight with a regal celebration.
* Royal Dance — After taking the Royal Oath, Guests are invited
to take part in a lively group dance.
* Royal Arrivals — Three Disney Princesses make their grand
entrance and greet their Guests.
* And many more royal celebrations.
<<
So - maybe if there is no way you can save enough money for a vacation
there, you can put on a Disney Princess Fantasy Faire of your own.
My advice to you is REVEL in it. The Disney princesses are so fun -
the movies are so great, the music is wonderful, the costumes
gorgeous. What's not to love? Beauty and the Beast is one of my all-
time favorite movies - not favorite children's movie, I mean favorite
movie in general. It is the only animated movie to have been nominated
for an academy award for best picture, I think, so I guess I'm not the
only one who loves it. Maybe rent all the movies in order and have
Disney princess night once a week. Make some food to go along with it
- baked apples for Snow White, for example!
Make costumes - seriously. My girls never had a single store-bought
Disney princess dress, in spite of spending time in the Disney store
very often. We made costumes a lot, though. When they are involved in
the designing and making, they aren't nitpicky about how accurate the
costume is, in my experience.
If you go to Joanne's Fabrics or Michaels you'll find a lot of crafts
that are Disney Princess related - simple embroidery and cross stitch,
plastic canvass things, latch hook rugs, paint by number, shrinky
dinks, beads, and on and on. There are a zillion stickers out there.
There are coloring books. There are low-cost games.
Oh - "Pretty Pretty Princess" is a pretty low-cost game that is SUPER
fun. When my girls were little it was generic princesses but now they
have a Cinderella version and a Sleeping Beauty version. They are all
under 15 dollars.
When I was little I spent a summmer making a whole puppet show of
Sleeping Beauty - the Disney version. I made the basic puppets out of
socks, but spent a LOT of time putting wings on the fairies and a
crown on Sleeping Beauty's prince - stuff like that. I had my mom read
the book and I was the puppet master to act out all the parts with my
puppets. Wish we'd had video cameras back then - I'd love to see it now.
Instead of trying to figure out what a child is getting out of
anything, take it on faith that their interest indicates that, without
a doubt, there is something of value in it for them. Support it. Enjoy
it. Expand it. Connect it to other things. Pursue it. Look for ways to
explore it more. Take great pleasure in it!
-pam
k
I was not into princesses, pink, Barbies or anything like that when I was
little either. I liked medieval fairy tales, magic, witches, anything like
that. My birthday is in October and when I was younger I thought of
Halloween as my holiday. So princesses were vague on the interest meter for
me growing up.
Karl likes such a wide range of things... Justice League, Ben 10, BATMAN!
(that's his costume which we already have for trick or treat this
Halloween), and so forth is the boy end of it. He also used to think
absolutely nothing of wearing girly things and putting his hair up in one of
my hair things. Not something I expected him to be interested in. He
hasn't been doing that lately.
But he has asked me gazillions of times to read Beauty and the Beast. He
gets all soft and sweet about what happens to the Beast and the happy
ending. He goes right to sleep. Maybe he has a great romantic streak. I
didn't know about the movie and had never been much into Disney but Karl
watches all that kind of thing on youtube. Today (not Disney but) Care
Bears and Gadget Boy.
~Katherine
little either. I liked medieval fairy tales, magic, witches, anything like
that. My birthday is in October and when I was younger I thought of
Halloween as my holiday. So princesses were vague on the interest meter for
me growing up.
Karl likes such a wide range of things... Justice League, Ben 10, BATMAN!
(that's his costume which we already have for trick or treat this
Halloween), and so forth is the boy end of it. He also used to think
absolutely nothing of wearing girly things and putting his hair up in one of
my hair things. Not something I expected him to be interested in. He
hasn't been doing that lately.
But he has asked me gazillions of times to read Beauty and the Beast. He
gets all soft and sweet about what happens to the Beast and the happy
ending. He goes right to sleep. Maybe he has a great romantic streak. I
didn't know about the movie and had never been much into Disney but Karl
watches all that kind of thing on youtube. Today (not Disney but) Care
Bears and Gadget Boy.
~Katherine
On 10/6/08, rowena___. <RoStitchery@...> wrote:
>
> greetings all! my name is rowena, i am the mom to a spectacular five
> year old named ella, and wife to a spectacular husband named rudi. i
> have been reading the list for a couple of months now so as to learn
> before posting, but now i have a question that i hope some of you can
> help me with.
>
> ella has a little playmate who is obsessed with the disney princesse,
> and now ella is obsessed with them too. while i don't have anything
> against princesses generally, i'm challenged to learn what this
> particular interest means to ella. i have never been a huge fan of
> disney, but we haven't banned them from our home--we just never
> watched the movies until ella's friend introduced them to her. what
> do they mean to her? what does she learn from THESE princesses, as
> opposed to other, more generic princesses? and how do i explain why
> we can't buy all these toys and books and costumes and auxillary
> items when this young friend has EVERY. PIECE. OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.
> MERCHANDISE?
>
> i hope these questions make sense. we don't want or need to try to
> control our child's interests, but i do want to understand them, esp.
> because i have never been a "princessy" type of person.
>
> thank you for your indulgence in what might seem very small concern
> to some people. i look forward to learning from all of you and hope
> that i can even contribute as well.
>
> babalu! rowena___. MAMA of ella
>
> www.ella-echo.com
> www.rostitchery.com
>
> "when was the last time you did something for the first time?"
>
>
>
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Robyn L. Coburn
From the start I want to say that I totally agree with what Pam and others
have already advised about relishing and supporting your dd's interest in
Princesses or anything else.
My dd is a girly girl and loves princesses, Disney and others. It hasn't
prevented her from pursuing a wide range of other interests or affected her
personality in any negative ways.
Disney's influence on the visual signposting of the classic princess
characters has resulted in the look of the princesses being largely
appropriated by other princess doll makers, despite Disney's strongly
protectionist attitude to its proprietry characters. This actually makes it
easier for us to find inexpensive similar enough dolls and stuff.
JCPenney ( http://tinyurl.com/4uav59 ) has a surprisingly high quality (and
we are doll experts around here btw) set of 5 (FIVE!) beautiful ("color
coded" by costume) princesses, including a Belle, Aurora, Snow White,
Cinderella and Mermaid for *under* $20 by a Hong Kong based company called
Chic. Ours arrived within 4 days of our order.
Brass Key continues to make licensed porcelain characters of all the
princesses from Disney. Costco usually has a bunch of them before the
holidays that are absolutely beautiful- including some of the "second tier"
(as I think of them) which are Mulan, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Esmerelda &
Tinkerbell. These are magnificently detailed with glass eyes and unique face
molds, saran hair in detailed styles and lavishly embellished costuming. We
couldn't believe we were seeing correctly when 3 year old Jayn asked for one
and we checked the price - $17.95. For that price she could have her Aurora
to take on our road trip even if it did get broken. That doll saved us. She
carried it and played with it for hours every day including in the car. She
never dropped it until it finally slipped from my fingers some months later
and the arm cracked. I mended it, and now it sits in the "breakable dolls"
box with her sisters, who are still treated with much reverence.
All of Jayn's dolls are to be considered investments in her future. She
intends to have a doll museum one day, including dolls posed in dioramas and
backgrounds she fully expects us to make together.
Other princesses include Princess Peach/Toadstool and Princess Daisy from
the Super Mario Brothers world.
Princess dress up is very easy for us - I have been sewing better and
cheaper replicas of the Disney princess dresses for years. I wish I had them
to pass on to you, but they have all made thier way to the Goodwill or other
neighbors. They will turn up at those thrift stores, as well as on ebay.
Also if the actual costumes are too expensive some of the Disney princess
nightgowns are almost as beautiful as the dresses and much cheaper.
We own all the Disney princess movies, because it is totally worth owning
rather than renting given the number of repeat viewings they all have. We
are eager to buy the new Tinkerbell movie when it is released soon. But we
also have a number of other dvd's of the traditional fairy tales, as well as
other versions in book form. Jayn has been very interested in comparing the
different versions.
Barbie has some movies where the character is a Princess too. There is a
lovely song "To Be a Princess" in "The Princess and the Pauper" which talks
about the pressures to be unfailingly polite and poised and take
responsibility for the comfort of others.
Your dd might also like "The Princess Diaries"(Anne Hathaway). Jayn does. Dh
is working on a movie where his director is the son of the director of those
movies, who played the security guy Shades in "PD II". The costume designer
also did both of those pictures.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
have already advised about relishing and supporting your dd's interest in
Princesses or anything else.
My dd is a girly girl and loves princesses, Disney and others. It hasn't
prevented her from pursuing a wide range of other interests or affected her
personality in any negative ways.
Disney's influence on the visual signposting of the classic princess
characters has resulted in the look of the princesses being largely
appropriated by other princess doll makers, despite Disney's strongly
protectionist attitude to its proprietry characters. This actually makes it
easier for us to find inexpensive similar enough dolls and stuff.
JCPenney ( http://tinyurl.com/4uav59 ) has a surprisingly high quality (and
we are doll experts around here btw) set of 5 (FIVE!) beautiful ("color
coded" by costume) princesses, including a Belle, Aurora, Snow White,
Cinderella and Mermaid for *under* $20 by a Hong Kong based company called
Chic. Ours arrived within 4 days of our order.
Brass Key continues to make licensed porcelain characters of all the
princesses from Disney. Costco usually has a bunch of them before the
holidays that are absolutely beautiful- including some of the "second tier"
(as I think of them) which are Mulan, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Esmerelda &
Tinkerbell. These are magnificently detailed with glass eyes and unique face
molds, saran hair in detailed styles and lavishly embellished costuming. We
couldn't believe we were seeing correctly when 3 year old Jayn asked for one
and we checked the price - $17.95. For that price she could have her Aurora
to take on our road trip even if it did get broken. That doll saved us. She
carried it and played with it for hours every day including in the car. She
never dropped it until it finally slipped from my fingers some months later
and the arm cracked. I mended it, and now it sits in the "breakable dolls"
box with her sisters, who are still treated with much reverence.
All of Jayn's dolls are to be considered investments in her future. She
intends to have a doll museum one day, including dolls posed in dioramas and
backgrounds she fully expects us to make together.
Other princesses include Princess Peach/Toadstool and Princess Daisy from
the Super Mario Brothers world.
Princess dress up is very easy for us - I have been sewing better and
cheaper replicas of the Disney princess dresses for years. I wish I had them
to pass on to you, but they have all made thier way to the Goodwill or other
neighbors. They will turn up at those thrift stores, as well as on ebay.
Also if the actual costumes are too expensive some of the Disney princess
nightgowns are almost as beautiful as the dresses and much cheaper.
We own all the Disney princess movies, because it is totally worth owning
rather than renting given the number of repeat viewings they all have. We
are eager to buy the new Tinkerbell movie when it is released soon. But we
also have a number of other dvd's of the traditional fairy tales, as well as
other versions in book form. Jayn has been very interested in comparing the
different versions.
Barbie has some movies where the character is a Princess too. There is a
lovely song "To Be a Princess" in "The Princess and the Pauper" which talks
about the pressures to be unfailingly polite and poised and take
responsibility for the comfort of others.
Your dd might also like "The Princess Diaries"(Anne Hathaway). Jayn does. Dh
is working on a movie where his director is the son of the director of those
movies, who played the security guy Shades in "PD II". The costume designer
also did both of those pictures.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
Pamela Sorooshian
On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:04 PM, Robyn L. Coburn wrote:
pictures - you have to scroll down past the "regular" Dolls of the
World and you'll get to the Princesses of the World:
<http://www.angelicdreamz.com/store/dolls_of_the_world.html>
Might be fun to print those pictures out and make a Barbie Princesses
of the World photo album or matching game. (Glue each photo on an
index card and the name of the country on another card. Turn them face
down. Pick two. If they match, keep 'em. If they don't match, turn
them back over. Take turns.)
-pam
-pam
> Barbie has some movies where the character is a Princess too. ThereOh - and there is the Barbie Princesses of the World series. Here are
> is a
> lovely song "To Be a Princess" in "The Princess and the Pauper"
> which talks
> about the pressures to be unfailingly polite and poised and take
> responsibility for the comfort of others.
pictures - you have to scroll down past the "regular" Dolls of the
World and you'll get to the Princesses of the World:
<http://www.angelicdreamz.com/store/dolls_of_the_world.html>
Might be fun to print those pictures out and make a Barbie Princesses
of the World photo album or matching game. (Glue each photo on an
index card and the name of the country on another card. Turn them face
down. Pick two. If they match, keep 'em. If they don't match, turn
them back over. Take turns.)
-pam
-pam
Schuyler
I loved fairy tales as a child. I would read all the treasure chests of fairy tales from different lands that I could find at the library. My dad bought me this fantastic book of different versions of Sleeping Beauty from around the world. I loved the stories of kindness to strangers being rewarded and injustice being punished. I loved the settings, I loved the stories of someone unassuming becoming princess. There is something wonderful about discovering that magic is just around the corner and that anyone can stumble across a magical doorway. Over time it changed from fairy tales to Narnia and Alice in Wonderland and then it went very distopian, starting with When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit and moving into lots and lots of WWII books at the same time I had a fascination with the Donner party, which may have followed on from Little House on the Prarie.
Linnaea went through a big princess phase. David has never been a royalist and he spent a bit of time showing her pictures of real princesses. I suggested he should include Grace Kelly, even if it was by marriage. Her response was that she didn't need the princesses to be real to enjoy them. We were in York once when Princess Anne was there and Linnaea and David and my dad went to see her. There was a woman with a Norfolk Terrier waiting to see the Princess as well, Linnaea was more impressed with the dog than with Princess Anne. Her princess phase was fairly brief. She far prefers animal stories to princess stories. But we had a lot of Barbie Princess computer games and she and I would sit together and use magic wands to color Barbie pages and to find magic gems.
Schuyler
http://www.waynforth.blogspot.com
----- Original Message ----
ella has a little playmate who is obsessed with the disney princesse,
and now ella is obsessed with them too. while i don't have anything
against princesses generally, i'm challenged to learn what this
particular interest means to ella. i have never been a huge fan of
disney, but we haven't banned them from our home--we just never
watched the movies until ella's friend introduced them to her. what
do they mean to her? what does she learn from THESE princesses, as
opposed to other, more generic princesses? and how do i explain why
we can't buy all these toys and books and costumes and auxillary
items when this young friend has EVERY. PIECE. OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.
MERCHANDISE?
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Linnaea went through a big princess phase. David has never been a royalist and he spent a bit of time showing her pictures of real princesses. I suggested he should include Grace Kelly, even if it was by marriage. Her response was that she didn't need the princesses to be real to enjoy them. We were in York once when Princess Anne was there and Linnaea and David and my dad went to see her. There was a woman with a Norfolk Terrier waiting to see the Princess as well, Linnaea was more impressed with the dog than with Princess Anne. Her princess phase was fairly brief. She far prefers animal stories to princess stories. But we had a lot of Barbie Princess computer games and she and I would sit together and use magic wands to color Barbie pages and to find magic gems.
Schuyler
http://www.waynforth.blogspot.com
----- Original Message ----
ella has a little playmate who is obsessed with the disney princesse,
and now ella is obsessed with them too. while i don't have anything
against princesses generally, i'm challenged to learn what this
particular interest means to ella. i have never been a huge fan of
disney, but we haven't banned them from our home--we just never
watched the movies until ella's friend introduced them to her. what
do they mean to her? what does she learn from THESE princesses, as
opposed to other, more generic princesses? and how do i explain why
we can't buy all these toys and books and costumes and auxillary
items when this young friend has EVERY. PIECE. OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.
MERCHANDISE?
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Sandra Dodd
-=-while i don't have anything
against princesses generally, i'm challenged to learn what this
particular interest means to ella.-=-
Maybe you could read fairy tales to her, for the many values they
have, and without belaboring the point or turning it into a lesson,
she could see how the stories were changed to make movies/cartoon.
And that's not a sin, changing a story so it works better as a film.
In the process, you might be able to discover wonder in those
stories, and understand a little better why anyone would love aspects
of them.
There are no "generic princesses." Each one has a story.
-=-and how do i explain why we can't buy all these toys and books and
costumes and auxillary items when this young friend has EVERY. PIECE.
OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.MERCHANDISE?-=-
Please try to chill. I bet the friend is having fun sharing and
having someone to appreciate her collection with her. Try not to turn
it to something frightening and horrible and threatening. That will
make you the evil queen (see those fairy tales you're about to start
reading!).
http://thinkingsticks.blogspot.com/2008/09/fairy-tales.html
Sandra
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against princesses generally, i'm challenged to learn what this
particular interest means to ella.-=-
Maybe you could read fairy tales to her, for the many values they
have, and without belaboring the point or turning it into a lesson,
she could see how the stories were changed to make movies/cartoon.
And that's not a sin, changing a story so it works better as a film.
In the process, you might be able to discover wonder in those
stories, and understand a little better why anyone would love aspects
of them.
There are no "generic princesses." Each one has a story.
-=-and how do i explain why we can't buy all these toys and books and
costumes and auxillary items when this young friend has EVERY. PIECE.
OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.MERCHANDISE?-=-
Please try to chill. I bet the friend is having fun sharing and
having someone to appreciate her collection with her. Try not to turn
it to something frightening and horrible and threatening. That will
make you the evil queen (see those fairy tales you're about to start
reading!).
http://thinkingsticks.blogspot.com/2008/09/fairy-tales.html
Sandra
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Sandra Dodd
-=-It might be a
bit much for a 5 yo but really depends on the 5 yo. Salvation Army or
Goodwill.-=-
Holly and I were in Savers and they have LOTS of Halloween costume
stuff out, and there were many Disney Princess things. Toys R Us,
too. They're not as well made as the stuff from The Disney Store.
Do you sew or paint? Maybe you cold make her some things. Or buy a
patch and put on her jacket or hoodie or cap.
Sandra
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bit much for a 5 yo but really depends on the 5 yo. Salvation Army or
Goodwill.-=-
Holly and I were in Savers and they have LOTS of Halloween costume
stuff out, and there were many Disney Princess things. Toys R Us,
too. They're not as well made as the stuff from The Disney Store.
Do you sew or paint? Maybe you cold make her some things. Or buy a
patch and put on her jacket or hoodie or cap.
Sandra
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Sandra Dodd
-=-It is pretty funny
though to see my daughter, all dressed in tights and a frilly dress
running through a mud puddle with her brothers.-=-
Been there; seen that. <g>
Holly had a Cinderella dress, only what it was was a prom dress or
bride's maids' dress or something from the thrift store. I cut the
bottom lace off, and that was her veil, her scarf, her tent for
Barbie. (I shortened the straps and pulled them back together and I
forget what--tied them? something, to pull the front in closer to
her. I did something, I forget what, to take in the waist. The goal
was to make it something she could put on and take off herself.
The only Cinderella thing about it was it was yellow and flowy. She
was thrilled for years.
Sandra
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though to see my daughter, all dressed in tights and a frilly dress
running through a mud puddle with her brothers.-=-
Been there; seen that. <g>
Holly had a Cinderella dress, only what it was was a prom dress or
bride's maids' dress or something from the thrift store. I cut the
bottom lace off, and that was her veil, her scarf, her tent for
Barbie. (I shortened the straps and pulled them back together and I
forget what--tied them? something, to pull the front in closer to
her. I did something, I forget what, to take in the waist. The goal
was to make it something she could put on and take off herself.
The only Cinderella thing about it was it was yellow and flowy. She
was thrilled for years.
Sandra
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Sandra Dodd
http://sandradodd.com/focus
Focus, Hobbies, Obsessions
I'll add a Disney Princess page, but I haven't finished it yet. Keep
writing here. <g>
Focus, Hobbies, Obsessions
I'll add a Disney Princess page, but I haven't finished it yet. Keep
writing here. <g>
Sandra Dodd
-=-All of Jayn's dolls are to be considered investments in her
future. She
intends to have a doll museum one day, including dolls posed in
dioramas and
backgrounds she fully expects us to make together.
-=-
There was a doll museum in Albuquerque for a while, with LOTS of
Barbies. Joyce and I went there years ago when she visited, and we
would've gone back this time, but they've moved. It was a private
collection, and I didn't know the people's names.
Joyce and I went. We took Kathryn and Holly, but we're the ones who
really appreciated it.
When I was little, I went once to a doll museum in Santa Fe that was
never there again. It was one room, with glass cases on three
sides. It wasn't so much diorama as period (60's museum style), but
I still vividly remember some of what they had there, some of which
can't have survived. Apple-headed dolls from the turn of the
century. Dolls from the American South, from the Civil War.
I don't even love dolls. I wasn't a dolly kind of girl, though my
Tiny Tears has had a medical emergency (I suppose it came on slowly,
but we discovered it suddenly of late):
http://sandradodd.blogspot.com/2008/10/damned-impermanence.html
Apples don't last forever. Neither does rubber.
Holly, on the other hand, at 16, was baby-doll shopping this week and
did get a doll yesterday, and named her Clarita. Perhaps it will be
of interest and value for some of you when I say that she gave it to
her boyfriend to hold (he's 24 and was not unschooled) while he was
sitting having a World of Warcraft guild meeting (so talking through
the computer, but not playing the game) and he held it like the baby
it is.
For those new to these ideas, that does not mean that Holly is a
little baby playing with dolls. It means Holly is a person who knows
her interests and collects what she wants to collect.
-=-We own all the Disney princess movies, because it is totally worth
owning
rather than renting given the number of repeat viewings they all
have.-=-
Cinderella, widescreen, new edition of the old movie on DVD this
week! I've already sent a reminder to my friend Jeff. Jeff is 34 or
so, had no sisters, has two sons and no daughters. Jeff has never
touched a doll in his life. It's a game, a quest. He hasn't yet
and he doesn't plan to. It's not meanness, it's just something he
started when he was a little boy and has continued with. Yet I
happen to have known for 20 years now that Cinderella is Jeff's
favorite of all the old Disney cartoons, so I sent him a note to
remember to buy one. His boys won't know to remind him. :-)
Sandra
future. She
intends to have a doll museum one day, including dolls posed in
dioramas and
backgrounds she fully expects us to make together.
-=-
There was a doll museum in Albuquerque for a while, with LOTS of
Barbies. Joyce and I went there years ago when she visited, and we
would've gone back this time, but they've moved. It was a private
collection, and I didn't know the people's names.
Joyce and I went. We took Kathryn and Holly, but we're the ones who
really appreciated it.
When I was little, I went once to a doll museum in Santa Fe that was
never there again. It was one room, with glass cases on three
sides. It wasn't so much diorama as period (60's museum style), but
I still vividly remember some of what they had there, some of which
can't have survived. Apple-headed dolls from the turn of the
century. Dolls from the American South, from the Civil War.
I don't even love dolls. I wasn't a dolly kind of girl, though my
Tiny Tears has had a medical emergency (I suppose it came on slowly,
but we discovered it suddenly of late):
http://sandradodd.blogspot.com/2008/10/damned-impermanence.html
Apples don't last forever. Neither does rubber.
Holly, on the other hand, at 16, was baby-doll shopping this week and
did get a doll yesterday, and named her Clarita. Perhaps it will be
of interest and value for some of you when I say that she gave it to
her boyfriend to hold (he's 24 and was not unschooled) while he was
sitting having a World of Warcraft guild meeting (so talking through
the computer, but not playing the game) and he held it like the baby
it is.
For those new to these ideas, that does not mean that Holly is a
little baby playing with dolls. It means Holly is a person who knows
her interests and collects what she wants to collect.
-=-We own all the Disney princess movies, because it is totally worth
owning
rather than renting given the number of repeat viewings they all
have.-=-
Cinderella, widescreen, new edition of the old movie on DVD this
week! I've already sent a reminder to my friend Jeff. Jeff is 34 or
so, had no sisters, has two sons and no daughters. Jeff has never
touched a doll in his life. It's a game, a quest. He hasn't yet
and he doesn't plan to. It's not meanness, it's just something he
started when he was a little boy and has continued with. Yet I
happen to have known for 20 years now that Cinderella is Jeff's
favorite of all the old Disney cartoons, so I sent him a note to
remember to buy one. His boys won't know to remind him. :-)
Sandra
Sandra Dodd
-=-> Barbie has some movies where the character is a Princess too. There
Miranda Demerest's youngest daughter when we were staying with them.
She was very young, and couldn't understand or pronounce all the
words, but she was crystal clear on "We take re-spon-si-bil-i-ty" and
I remember Kirby especially being fascinated with her enthusiastic
performance. We came home and bought the DVD.
It really is good.
Sandra
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> is aIt's a FANTASTIC song. We learned it from the performance of
> lovely song "To Be a Princess" in "The Princess and the Pauper"
> which talks
> about the pressures to be unfailingly polite and poised and take
> responsibility for the comfort of others.-=-
Miranda Demerest's youngest daughter when we were staying with them.
She was very young, and couldn't understand or pronounce all the
words, but she was crystal clear on "We take re-spon-si-bil-i-ty" and
I remember Kirby especially being fascinated with her enthusiastic
performance. We came home and bought the DVD.
It really is good.
Sandra
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Sandra Dodd
-=-I loved the stories of kindness to strangers being rewarded and
injustice being punished. I loved the settings-=-
I did too. I still do. I read LOTS of fairy tales as a girl and as
an adult, and read a fair number to my kids.
One of my favorites is Diamonds and Toads. It's a little different
sometimes and has different names even, but the central part of the
story is this:
Sister and stepsister. Sister is sent to the well to get water.
There is someone there--an ugly old woman, probably. The person asks
for water. The sister gives her some and is blessed by having
diamonds and pearls fall from her mouth when she speaks. The
stepmother is angry and wants HER daughter to have that, so she sends
her daughter to the well. Stepsister botches the whole thing because
she's tacky and rude, and is cursed by having snakes and toads come
out of her mouth when she speaks.
Much analysis could ensue. It can be told very beautifully, and is
worth finding for anyone who's unfamiliar with it.
Ernest Baughman was one of my professors, and he had been a student
of Stith Thompson. Both of them worked on identifying motifs and
types, in folk tales. There are other characters lying in the woods
or by wells to test people who pass by there. In another story it's
an old man sitting by a fire who asks for something (food?) and
different characters respond to him differently and receive different
gifts.
I don't know the formal name for that category of character, but
here's an introduction to the idea of the motifs.
http://www.pentodepress.com/reinhart/folklore-motif.html
Sandra
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injustice being punished. I loved the settings-=-
I did too. I still do. I read LOTS of fairy tales as a girl and as
an adult, and read a fair number to my kids.
One of my favorites is Diamonds and Toads. It's a little different
sometimes and has different names even, but the central part of the
story is this:
Sister and stepsister. Sister is sent to the well to get water.
There is someone there--an ugly old woman, probably. The person asks
for water. The sister gives her some and is blessed by having
diamonds and pearls fall from her mouth when she speaks. The
stepmother is angry and wants HER daughter to have that, so she sends
her daughter to the well. Stepsister botches the whole thing because
she's tacky and rude, and is cursed by having snakes and toads come
out of her mouth when she speaks.
Much analysis could ensue. It can be told very beautifully, and is
worth finding for anyone who's unfamiliar with it.
Ernest Baughman was one of my professors, and he had been a student
of Stith Thompson. Both of them worked on identifying motifs and
types, in folk tales. There are other characters lying in the woods
or by wells to test people who pass by there. In another story it's
an old man sitting by a fire who asks for something (food?) and
different characters respond to him differently and receive different
gifts.
I don't know the formal name for that category of character, but
here's an introduction to the idea of the motifs.
http://www.pentodepress.com/reinhart/folklore-motif.html
Sandra
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juillet727
"Instead of trying to figure out what a child is getting out of
because it is so valuable.
~~Juillet
> anything, take it on faith that their interest indicates that, withoutThis is so great. I just wanted to have this said one more time
> a doubt, there is something of value in it for them. Support it. Enjoy
> it. Expand it. Connect it to other things. Pursue it. Look for ways to
> explore it more. Take great pleasure in it!"
because it is so valuable.
~~Juillet
Robyn L. Coburn
<<<<> Cinderella, widescreen, new edition of the old movie on DVD this
Anniversary special edition. They've been promoting the heck out of it on
Disney Channel. They have four separate filler shows. One is "Movie Surfers"
for current in the theater movies - that is a great gig - one of the girls
went to interview Orlando Bloom on the set in the Caribbean for Pirates,
another guy went to New Zealand for Narnia. One is for promoting the DCOM's.
One is Disney 365 for promoting special events at the parks and around, like
the opening of a new ride or the premier of a new show. One is the Special
Report that is for news of new stuff coming to DVD, whether theatrical
releases, dcoms, compilations of shows, or classic reissues. Lots of
different styles, lots of opportunities for young actors/aspiring reporters
to work.
We have the last version of Sleeping Beauty, which was two disc. I expect
that they are including much of the same historical material. It's really
interesting to see how the art work developed, and the conciousness with
which all the artists worked up the particular different (at the time) style
of the figures and backgrounds. Also how they had a ballerina dance the
steps for the animators. They still do that kind of thing today, only
nowadays the dancers wear motion capture suits and put the movements
directly into the computer.
The vocalist for Briar Rose/Aurora was chosen because they felt she had an
ability to slip from her nice speaking voice into singing operatically
seamlessly.
Disney has a Maleficent doll at the main store. Jayn was so excited to get
her for one of her birthdays, 5 I think, that she refused to allow me to buy
it for her when we were at Disneyland two weeks before her birthday
serendipitously. She told everyone she was getting a Maleficent doll. So
many blank faces - she had to add "from Sleeping Beauty".
The great thing about DVD's is how much Jayn enjoys the special features and
making of stuff.
The actress in "Enchanted" looks like my mom in her late twenties/early
thirties. The doll of her - the one from the real part, not the animated
doll - looks even more like her. Bizarre. The Patrick Dempsey doll is a
great likeness of him too. We have him dressed up as a prince from the
finale of the movie.
It's not parody. It's homage!
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
> week!>>>>I believe that would be "Sleeping Beauty" that is coming out today, the 60th
Anniversary special edition. They've been promoting the heck out of it on
Disney Channel. They have four separate filler shows. One is "Movie Surfers"
for current in the theater movies - that is a great gig - one of the girls
went to interview Orlando Bloom on the set in the Caribbean for Pirates,
another guy went to New Zealand for Narnia. One is for promoting the DCOM's.
One is Disney 365 for promoting special events at the parks and around, like
the opening of a new ride or the premier of a new show. One is the Special
Report that is for news of new stuff coming to DVD, whether theatrical
releases, dcoms, compilations of shows, or classic reissues. Lots of
different styles, lots of opportunities for young actors/aspiring reporters
to work.
We have the last version of Sleeping Beauty, which was two disc. I expect
that they are including much of the same historical material. It's really
interesting to see how the art work developed, and the conciousness with
which all the artists worked up the particular different (at the time) style
of the figures and backgrounds. Also how they had a ballerina dance the
steps for the animators. They still do that kind of thing today, only
nowadays the dancers wear motion capture suits and put the movements
directly into the computer.
The vocalist for Briar Rose/Aurora was chosen because they felt she had an
ability to slip from her nice speaking voice into singing operatically
seamlessly.
Disney has a Maleficent doll at the main store. Jayn was so excited to get
her for one of her birthdays, 5 I think, that she refused to allow me to buy
it for her when we were at Disneyland two weeks before her birthday
serendipitously. She told everyone she was getting a Maleficent doll. So
many blank faces - she had to add "from Sleeping Beauty".
The great thing about DVD's is how much Jayn enjoys the special features and
making of stuff.
The actress in "Enchanted" looks like my mom in her late twenties/early
thirties. The doll of her - the one from the real part, not the animated
doll - looks even more like her. Bizarre. The Patrick Dempsey doll is a
great likeness of him too. We have him dressed up as a prince from the
finale of the movie.
It's not parody. It's homage!
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
Krisula
To add to the budget-princess suggestions, 99cents Stores have dozens of
Disney princess items and this time of year (October) I've seen Disney Store
brand costumes at Big Lots for a few dollars. My youngest dd has had
*lots* of princess costumes over the years. Most have come from Craig's
list, freecycle, hand-me-downs from park day friends and some of our
favorites have been the flower girl dresses that show up in thrift stores
from families that aparently only let their daughters wear them one time.
Go figure. We always wore them out.
Kriusla
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Disney princess items and this time of year (October) I've seen Disney Store
brand costumes at Big Lots for a few dollars. My youngest dd has had
*lots* of princess costumes over the years. Most have come from Craig's
list, freecycle, hand-me-downs from park day friends and some of our
favorites have been the flower girl dresses that show up in thrift stores
from families that aparently only let their daughters wear them one time.
Go figure. We always wore them out.
Kriusla
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Sandra Dodd
I deleted this thinking it was only a thank you note, but there's
more below. Sorry about that.
From: "rowena___." <RoStitchery@...>
Date: October 7, 2008 10:39:15 AM MDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: introduction with question
thank you all so much for your kind welcome and for taking the time
to respond to my questions!
Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
costumer for opera and rudi is a theatrical lighting designer so she
gets to hear us discussing plots and scripts and amendments all the
time. thank you for this idea, i know she would enjoy this.
we have also made many costumes together over the years--at first
ella simply chose the fabrics of the character she wanted to be, but
as time goes on she gets more involved in the actual process of
making the costumes. she learned to operate a sewing machine when
she was three, at age four she started using a hand needle, and a few
weeks ago she started drawing her own patterns. i still to most of
the cutting because we use rotary blades instead of scissors but even
so she is able to do the notch marking and the basic fitting. it is
lovely to sit with her and work together.
professional ballet dancer, and i played many a princess. :D but
they were so different--they were not disney princesse, they were
classical characters like the ones grimms wrote about-and my
relationship with them was "professional", not personal. :D
since this is such a huge part of her life right now, i want to honor
it and at the same time honor our family's values and financial
realities.
babalu! rowena___. MAMA of ella
www.ella-echo.com
www.rostitchery.com
"when was the last time you did something for the first time?"
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more below. Sorry about that.
From: "rowena___." <RoStitchery@...>
Date: October 7, 2008 10:39:15 AM MDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: introduction with question
thank you all so much for your kind welcome and for taking the time
to respond to my questions!
Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>lesson,
> -=-while i don't have anything
> against princesses generally, i'm challenged to learn what this
> particular interest means to ella.-=-
>
> Maybe you could read fairy tales to her, for the many values they
> have, and without belaboring the point or turning it into a
>
> she could see how the stories were changed to makemovies/cartoon.
>
> And that's not a sin, changing a story so it works better as a film.that is actually something she is kind of familiar with, i am a
>
costumer for opera and rudi is a theatrical lighting designer so she
gets to hear us discussing plots and scripts and amendments all the
time. thank you for this idea, i know she would enjoy this.
we have also made many costumes together over the years--at first
ella simply chose the fabrics of the character she wanted to be, but
as time goes on she gets more involved in the actual process of
making the costumes. she learned to operate a sewing machine when
she was three, at age four she started using a hand needle, and a few
weeks ago she started drawing her own patterns. i still to most of
the cutting because we use rotary blades instead of scissors but even
so she is able to do the notch marking and the basic fitting. it is
lovely to sit with her and work together.
>aspects
> In the process, you might be able to discover wonder in those
> stories, and understand a little better why anyone would love
>
> of them.i do see some of what she likes--before i was a costumer, i was a
>
professional ballet dancer, and i played many a princess. :D but
they were so different--they were not disney princesse, they were
classical characters like the ones grimms wrote about-and my
relationship with them was "professional", not personal. :D
> -=-and how do i explain why we can't buy all these toys and booksand
>
> costumes and auxillary items when this young friend has EVERY.PIECE.
>
> OF. DISNEY. PRINCESS.MERCHANDISE?-=-turn
>
> Please try to chill. I bet the friend is having fun sharing and
> having someone to appreciate her collection with her. Try not to
>
> it to something frightening and horrible and threatening. Thatwill
>
> make you the evil queen (see those fairy tales you're about tostart
>
> reading!).oh, i guess i sounded a little more panicked than i really am. but
>
since this is such a huge part of her life right now, i want to honor
it and at the same time honor our family's values and financial
realities.
babalu! rowena___. MAMA of ella
www.ella-echo.com
www.rostitchery.com
"when was the last time you did something for the first time?"
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Sandra Dodd
-=-but
they were so different--they were not disney princesse, they were
classical characters like the ones grimms wrote about-and my
relationship with them was "professional", not personal. :D-=-
The Grimms collected those stories. They didn't "write" them.
They're traditional among Europeans, and they collected in Germany,
mostly.
The Disney Princesses are 20th century versions of medieval stories.
They're the same princesses.
Those stories are have been told and retold for hundreds of years.
Sandra
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they were so different--they were not disney princesse, they were
classical characters like the ones grimms wrote about-and my
relationship with them was "professional", not personal. :D-=-
The Grimms collected those stories. They didn't "write" them.
They're traditional among Europeans, and they collected in Germany,
mostly.
The Disney Princesses are 20th century versions of medieval stories.
They're the same princesses.
Those stories are have been told and retold for hundreds of years.
Sandra
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rowena___.
Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
curriculum in ballet school. i was referring to the notes the
brothers wrote about the collection and documentation of the stories.
i thank you all for taking the time to address my question, i am
ready to move on now.
babalu! rowena___. MAMA of ella
>Germany,
> -=-but
> they were so different--they were not disney princesse, they were
> classical characters like the ones grimms wrote about-and my
> relationship with them was "professional", not personal. :D-=-
>
>
>
> The Grimms collected those stories. They didn't "write" them.
> They're traditional among Europeans, and they collected in
> mostly.stories.
>
> The Disney Princesses are 20th century versions of medieval
> They're the same princesses.i understand that, i studied the stories as part of the required
>
> Those stories are have been told and retold for hundreds of years.
curriculum in ballet school. i was referring to the notes the
brothers wrote about the collection and documentation of the stories.
i thank you all for taking the time to address my question, i am
ready to move on now.
babalu! rowena___. MAMA of ella
Sandra Dodd
-=-<<<<> Cinderella, widescreen, new edition of the old movie on DVD
this
the 60th
Anniversary special edition. They've been promoting the heck out of
it on
Disney Channel.-=
Ooops. Bummer. Well, still cool.
Holly and I were at KayBee toys this afternoon buying six toys for
Keith and Marty's donations for some upcoming Toys For Tots things
(the SCA here collects lots of toys, and the Marines pick them up in
an odd formal moment of uniformed marines and SCA guys in armor)...
But anyway, there were Disney Princess things and dresses for girls
around six years old, give or take, for $20. Pretty nice ones. And
there were shoes galore, and some Tinkerbell shoes *I* wanted in my
size, and not very expensive. On sale through Monday/Columbus Day
(apologies to non-Americans or those with no KayBee toys).
Sandra
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this
> week!>>>>I believe that would be "Sleeping Beauty" that is coming out today,
the 60th
Anniversary special edition. They've been promoting the heck out of
it on
Disney Channel.-=
Ooops. Bummer. Well, still cool.
Holly and I were at KayBee toys this afternoon buying six toys for
Keith and Marty's donations for some upcoming Toys For Tots things
(the SCA here collects lots of toys, and the Marines pick them up in
an odd formal moment of uniformed marines and SCA guys in armor)...
But anyway, there were Disney Princess things and dresses for girls
around six years old, give or take, for $20. Pretty nice ones. And
there were shoes galore, and some Tinkerbell shoes *I* wanted in my
size, and not very expensive. On sale through Monday/Columbus Day
(apologies to non-Americans or those with no KayBee toys).
Sandra
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Sandra Dodd
-=-i thank you all for taking the time to address my question, i am
ready to move on now. -=-
Once a question is out on the list, though, it's anyone's to discuss.
It's been a rough couple of weeks on the list, and in my life too,
unfortunately, or I would have a page of suggestions to send you
about how to make best use of this (or any list).
Joyce once wrote, of this list:
The list is about ideas, not about people.
Think of ideas like balls and the list like a ball court. If someone
tosses an idea worth discussing into the court it's going to get
batted about. At that point what's going on is no longer about the
person who tossed the idea in. It's about the idea and how well and
cleanly it's being tossed about. (Unless the tosser keeps jumping in
and grabbing the idea ball saying "Mine!")
Joyce
That's on this page, which is about the
UnschoolignDiscussion@... list, but much of it is true
of this list too (except the two-week waiting period).
http://sandradodd.com/lists/faq.html
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ready to move on now. -=-
Once a question is out on the list, though, it's anyone's to discuss.
It's been a rough couple of weeks on the list, and in my life too,
unfortunately, or I would have a page of suggestions to send you
about how to make best use of this (or any list).
Joyce once wrote, of this list:
The list is about ideas, not about people.
Think of ideas like balls and the list like a ball court. If someone
tosses an idea worth discussing into the court it's going to get
batted about. At that point what's going on is no longer about the
person who tossed the idea in. It's about the idea and how well and
cleanly it's being tossed about. (Unless the tosser keeps jumping in
and grabbing the idea ball saying "Mine!")
Joyce
That's on this page, which is about the
UnschoolignDiscussion@... list, but much of it is true
of this list too (except the two-week waiting period).
http://sandradodd.com/lists/faq.html
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Robyn L. Coburn
<<<> (the SCA here collects lots of toys, and the Marines pick them up in
Also Kay Bee toys is online. www.kbtoys.com
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
> an odd formal moment of uniformed marines and SCA guys in armor)... >>>I want to see the photos from that time warp moment.
Also Kay Bee toys is online. www.kbtoys.com
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
Margaret
There is a fairly large doll museum in the greater Seattle area:
http://www.dollart.com/ Just thought I would mention it in case
anyone was in the Seattle area after Life is Good (or for any other
reason).
I like dolls but I wasn't interested in collecting them as a child. I
ran across this doll artist when I was looking for a big doll for my
daughter and I wanted to start collecting dolls. I like some more
than others, but they are amazing:
http://www.annettehimstedt.com/index_en.php (and yes, the first time
I find a doll I really want just for the sake of looking at it, they
run about $1000 each).
http://www.dollart.com/ Just thought I would mention it in case
anyone was in the Seattle area after Life is Good (or for any other
reason).
I like dolls but I wasn't interested in collecting them as a child. I
ran across this doll artist when I was looking for a big doll for my
daughter and I wanted to start collecting dolls. I like some more
than others, but they are amazing:
http://www.annettehimstedt.com/index_en.php (and yes, the first time
I find a doll I really want just for the sake of looking at it, they
run about $1000 each).
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
> -=-All of Jayn's dolls are to be considered investments in her
>
> future. She
> intends to have a doll museum one day, including dolls posed in
> dioramas and
> backgrounds she fully expects us to make together.
> -=-
>
> There was a doll museum in Albuquerque for a while, with LOTS of
> Barbies. Joyce and I went there years ago when she visited, and we
> would've gone back this time, but they've moved. It was a private
> collection, and I didn't know the people's names.
>
> Joyce and I went. We took Kathryn and Holly, but we're the ones who
> really appreciated it.
>
> When I was little, I went once to a doll museum in Santa Fe that was
> never there again. It was one room, with glass cases on three
> sides. It wasn't so much diorama as period (60's museum style), but
> I still vividly remember some of what they had there, some of which
> can't have survived. Apple-headed dolls from the turn of the
> century. Dolls from the American South, from the Civil War.