Peggy

You kill your black widow spiders? We don't, at least not in the
corners and such, they eat so many bugs we keep 'em around.

I thought daughter had been bit by one once so I called poison
control. They said they were not really a problem but to watch out
for kissing bugs.

Peggy

SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/2/02 7:01:12 AM, ElissaJC@... writes:
>
> << Joe takes out the trash and captures and removes all small animals gifted
> to
> us by the cat.>>
>
> That's my job. Nobody else kills black widow spiders--they hike across the
> yard and through the house to tell me they saw one. Nobody else touches dead
> mice, or lizards, or birds. It makes me feel big and brave. (I'm also the
> undertaker for cats, but my husband has done the dog deaths we've had, just
> two.)
>
> <<It was a hoot when he went to pick up the dead chipmunk and it shot into the
> air and started running around the room. There was no gender-typical
> reaction there. He screamed like a little girl. >>
>
> I would too!
>
> Sandra
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> I have a friend who never kills any spiders. After I had kids I developed
> the irrational urge to flatten to a smear anything that might bite them or
> sting them (centipedes and wasps) or put nasty germs on them (cock roaches).
>
> Maybe now that Holly's getting big, that instinct will wane.
>
> Sandra

Interesting. I've gotten a lot better about wanting to kill all bugs
since I had children. Not that I don't kill widows in the house, I
do, just not in the dark corners of areas that also get other bugs
in the summer time. We have paper wasps too and what is one to do
about them? Hysterically spraying a can of raid around was what I
was modeled as child and that really seemed a bit extreme once I
grew older.

Brown recluse are nasty -- did you have a long time healing?

Peggy

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In a message dated 1/31/02 5:36:52 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<<
I did not say it was all equal. My point was, and is,
and seems to have been missed and equated to mean
other things, that experience does not equal wisdom.
That youngness does not equal niaveness. That
prejudging based on those things can cause a person to
miss out on something important the person they are
judging has to offer.
>>


And no one was doing that! No one was suggesting to "judge" anyone based
solely on their youth or inexperience. The posts I've been reading seem to
showcase youth and a lack of understanding of what experienced people can
offer. That's all.
No one tried to suggest anyone should be judged by anything other than their
actions or lack thereof.
Are you trying to say that I could get just as much insight from you about my
12 y.o. as I could from Sandra or Sharon? I very much doubt it. You may have
some great suggestions, but you haven't LIVED through the 12 y.o. stage with
your child, so your information is not as valuable to me as someone that has.
You are stating that we are not understanding what you're saying....I think
it's the other way around.
Ren

Julie Stauffer

<<My nephew married a girl he met on the internet>>

My little brother was in Germany in the Army and met a guy from North
Dakota. Once this guy was talking on the phone to a girl from home and Mike
(my brother) was goofing around and got on the phone with her. They wrote
back and forth. She got involved with some guy and had a baby. They called
back and forth.

When Mike got back to the US, he went to North Dakota and the first time he
saw Amy in person, he asked her to marry him. Their first "date" was to get
engagement pictures taken. They have been very happily married for 10
years. Mike adopted her son and they have 2 dds.

Point being, there are also lots of neat and wonderful people out there.

Julie

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On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:38:11 -0600 "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
writes:
> Point being, there are also lots of neat and wonderful people out
> there.
>
I keep meeting the female and/or partnered variety of Wonderful People,
so if you happen to run across any nice specimens of the Male Unpartnered
variety, keep me in mind. I've decided I'm tired of being single, let's
make it a group project ;-)

Dar
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:25:17 -0700 freeform@... writes:

> I keep meeting the female and/or partnered variety of Wonderful
> People,
> so if you happen to run across any nice specimens of the Male
> Unpartnered
> variety, keep me in mind. I've decided I'm tired of being single,
> let's
> make it a group project ;-)
>
> Dar

You'll have to give us some guidelines! Would you settle for a dog,
instead? <g>

Deb L

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You'll have to give us some guidelines! Would you settle for a dog,
instead? <g>

Deb L
Like, how about a Basenji? <beg>
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To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 179


>
>
>On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:25:17 -0700 freeform@... writes:
>
>> I keep meeting the female and/or partnered variety of Wonderful
>> People,
>> so if you happen to run across any nice specimens of the Male
>> Unpartnered
>> variety, keep me in mind. I've decided I'm tired of being single,
>> let's
>> make it a group project ;-)
>>
>> Dar
>
>You'll have to give us some guidelines! Would you settle for a dog,
>instead? <g>
>
>Deb L
>
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:59:40 -0500 <ElissaJC@...> writes:
> You'll have to give us some guidelines! Would you settle for a dog,
> instead? <g>
>
> Deb L
> Like, how about a Basenji? <beg>

Dogs I have. Three of 'em at my feet at this very moment, although no
Basenjis... but I have a friend in California who is nutty about them....
I think I'm more of a heeler person, myself ;-)

So, find me a guy who likes big dogs...

The last date I went on was with this guy I met at the Dia de los Muertos
parade, Cacie and I and a couple friends were in it this year, and we
talked some and I figured he'd be sort of on the liberal side if he was
out marching at midnight with everyone... and he's the one who talked
about how great John Rosemond was not 10 minutes into it. Aiii. I know I
mentioned that here... he had no dogs, either, maybe that should have
been a clue.

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In a message dated 2/1/02 9:51:51 AM, freeform@... writes:

<< So, find me a guy who likes big dogs... >>

Go to your local Highland games. I never see such big dogs as on "Irish
Wolfhound Parade Day" (as it were).

Sharon Rudd

Is Taking out The Trash a sex designated role? Why? Do
we really want to pass this along to DS or DD?

It is source of GREAT irritation (to me, only) at my
house. But I long ago delegated that debate to the "oh
well" file. I do it, becuase I'm the one who cares.
When I grew up, it was a "boy's" job. But I took out
the trash then, too, so my brothers wouldn't be "in
trouble" so much, and because it seemed wrong, to me,
that they HAD to do it, and I had to wash dishes and
iron (and everything else, actually). Now I do it, so
that I won't be so angry at anyone else for NOT doing
it. Dunno if that makes sense. I do a lot of things
to avoid having to confront sexist roles,expectations
or equality in labor (well, not that kind!) issues.
Any and all of it just goes WHOOOSH like, no, it is
more like static on the TV. Makes no sense at all,
and just interferes with the picture for DH (my
analogy, he is an innocent bystander and not
introspective).

Sharon of the Swamp

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I agree. My son has long hair and is often mistaken for a girl. The
horrible things people say... very demeaning to girls/women and meant to
insult. We talk about gender equality all the time.
Dylan never takes the trash out. I still have that thing going on in my
head from when I was a kid and the girls and boys were in strictly
defined roles. Strictly defined by someone else.
Deb L



On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:35:45 -0800 (PST) Sharon Rudd
<bearspawprint@...> writes:
> Is Taking out The Trash a sex designated role? Why? Do
> we really want to pass this along to DS or DD?
>
> It is source of GREAT irritation (to me, only) at my
> house. But I long ago delegated that debate to the "oh
> well" file. I do it, becuase I'm the one who cares.
> When I grew up, it was a "boy's" job. But I took out
> the trash then, too, so my brothers wouldn't be "in
> trouble" so much, and because it seemed wrong, to me,
> that they HAD to do it, and I had to wash dishes and
> iron (and everything else, actually). Now I do it, so
> that I won't be so angry at anyone else for NOT doing
> it. Dunno if that makes sense. I do a lot of things
> to avoid having to confront sexist roles,expectations
> or equality in labor (well, not that kind!) issues.
> Any and all of it just goes WHOOOSH like, no, it is
> more like static on the TV. Makes no sense at all,
> and just interferes with the picture for DH (my
> analogy, he is an innocent bystander and not
> introspective).
>
> Sharon of the Swamp

Pat Cald...

>Now I do it, so that I won't be so angry at anyone else for NOT doing
>it.

That is pretty much what I do. I also cut the grass, rake the leaves and do every other job in the house that requires repetition. It hasn't mattered what approach I've taken to getting a division of labor, my dh sees himself as the "project guy". My expectations of having the garbage taken out, because I mentioned it was garbage night, were unreasonable. I just got very upset when I pulled up and there was no garbage. If you remember, what started this was a thread that talked about the *difference* between asking someone to do something and then having it done someone just doing it because they know it would be appreciated. I'm probably not appreciative enough!

Pat


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Sharon Rudd

If you remember, what
> started this was a thread that talked about the
> *difference* between asking someone to do something
> and then having it done someone just doing it
> because they know it would be appreciated. I'm
> probably not appreciative enough!
>
> Pat

Do other folks express appreciation to you when you do
it (all that repeititive stuff)? Or is it just assumed
you'll pick up the slack if everyone else has "more
important" (XDH term.....note X) things to do.
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Pat Cald...

>Do other folks express appreciation to you when you do
>it (all that repeititive stuff)? Or is it just assumed
>you'll pick up the slack if everyone else has "more
>important" (XDH term.....note X) things to do.

I actually meant it sarcastically.

It is assumed I will pick up the slack or not(because others standards are lower) but it seems more important to me that things are done in a timely manner. I have found that it doesn't take any more effort to do something when it needs being done and then you have the added bonus of not having to look at all the stuff you have to do, not to speak of enjoying your surroundings without trash or whatever piling up.

Pat


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Karin

<<The other two women from Venus on this list commented that *their* husbands never have to be asked.>>



Maybe it has something to do with men who work at Honeywell? <g>

Karin


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In a message dated 2/1/02 4:38:42 PM, bearspawprint@... writes:

<< Is Taking out The Trash a sex designated role? Why? Do
we really want to pass this along to DS or DD? >>

Taking bags of trash out of the house is whoever notices it's full.

Making sure the dumpster-thing is at the curb, my husband dibbsed.

Picking trash up out of the yard, I do. Gathering trash in a big bag from
all the little trashcans in bedrooms and bathrooms, I pick one or another
kids to help me to once a week.

It's more an interest and ability and necessity thing.

Puke-cleaning is ALL MOM's.
Cat puke included with that.
Toilet cleaning too.

But the other people here are really nice to me when i ask them to do other
things.

Sandra

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In a message dated 2/1/02 5:35:37 PM, curtkar@... writes:

<< Maybe it has something to do with men who work at Honeywell? <g> >>

Oooh.
Statistically proven (unless others refute)

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In a message dated 2/1/2002 11:52:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
freeform@... writes:


> So, find me a guy who likes big dogs...


Dar,

Go to dog shows and hang around the Dane and Newfie rings! <g>

Kelly

>
>



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We have a few gender specific jobs
Joe takes out the trash and captures and removes all small animals gifted to
us by the cat.
It was a hoot when he went to pick up the dead chipmunk and it shot into the
air and started running around the room. There was no gender-typical
reaction there. He screamed like a little girl.
Elissa, who will soon be singing
Yippee - Kai - Yay!

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In a message dated 2/2/02 7:01:12 AM, ElissaJC@... writes:

<< Joe takes out the trash and captures and removes all small animals gifted
to
us by the cat.>>

That's my job. Nobody else kills black widow spiders--they hike across the
yard and through the house to tell me they saw one. Nobody else touches dead
mice, or lizards, or birds. It makes me feel big and brave. (I'm also the
undertaker for cats, but my husband has done the dog deaths we've had, just
two.)

<<It was a hoot when he went to pick up the dead chipmunk and it shot into the
air and started running around the room. There was no gender-typical
reaction there. He screamed like a little girl. >>

I would too!

Sandra

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:><< Joe takes out the trash and captures and removes all small animals
gifted
>to
>us by the cat.>>
>
Sandra: >That's my job.

****I don't do it because sometimes we don't find them for a week or two and
they're all icky with squirmy things inside.
. He screamed like a little girl. >>
>I would too!
>
****I was too busy laughing my ass off.
He just told me to stop lying to you people.

Elissa, who will soon be singing
Yippee - Kai - Yay!

Pam Hartley

----------
From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 179
Date: Sat, Feb 2, 2002, 3:58 AM


> So, find me a guy who likes big dogs...


Dar,

Go to dog shows and hang around the Dane and Newfie rings! <g>

----------


Men at dog shows are married, approximately 99.999999% of the time (even the
gay men are in committed relationships).

I'd say go to field trials, as there are a higher percentage of unattached
straight guys who own nice dogs like Labs and Golden Retrievers, but they're
also Republicans with guns (the guys, not the dogs).

Um -- oh! Go to agility trials! There are definitely some single guys there,
and they tend to be in good physical shape, too. And some of them won't be
gay or Republicans-with-guns or in relationships with anybody with two legs.

Your dating guru of the dog world,

Pam



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In a message dated 2/2/02 9:27:15 AM, ElissaJC@... writes:

<< ****I don't do it because sometimes we don't find them for a week or two
and
they're all icky with squirmy things inside. >>

Oh, you'll LOVE New Mexico.
In two weeks they're mummified like little feathery or scaly rocks.

Sandra

Pat Cald...

<< ****I don't do it because sometimes we don't find them for a week or two
and
they're all icky with squirmy things inside. >>

Our cat once brought in a squirrel, killed it and left it in the corner behind one of my living room chairs. I didn't know anything about it until the house became inundated with large black flies. :-o Talk about disgusting. This was during my bike racing days and cleaning was not a priority!

Pat


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In a message dated 2/2/02 11:04:13 AM, peggy@... writes:

<< You kill your black widow spiders? We don't, at least not in the
corners and such, they eat so many bugs we keep 'em around. >>

If they're in the house I do!

If they're right in the place where people stand to throw stuff in the
compost I do.

I've been bitten by one of them, and two brown recluses. I didn't have any
fun. I can't wish that on a kid who was asked (by me) to take the compost
out.

I have a friend who never kills any spiders. After I had kids I developed
the irrational urge to flatten to a smear anything that might bite them or
sting them (centipedes and wasps) or put nasty germs on them (cock roaches).

Maybe now that Holly's getting big, that instinct will wane.

Sandra

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In a message dated 2/2/02 11:39:29 AM, peggy@... writes:

<< Brown recluse are nasty -- did you have a long time healing?
>>

The first time I was in my 20's, didn't know what it was (except "something
bit me"), in was inside my left knee, and a friend recognized it. I kept
thinking "it will get better soon." I was bitten around July 1. The skin
finally closed up (scab and all gone) late November or early December.

So in my late 30's, early 40's (after I had kids) I got a bite on my ankle.
I saw it, I called the doctor, I went in and said "ANTIBIOTICS!" I took oral
and topicsl. I don't remember if they gave me a shot too. I said I wanted
the biggest antibiotic bomb ever. And that one healed up in a week.

The first year we were in this new house, I saw three. Two I saved whole,
one I smashed flat.

Black widows would march across the bedroom floor (MY bedroom floor!) because
the house hadn't been lived in for a year or so and there's a crawl space
under that room.

Haven't seen one of those inside for three years either.

We've exorcised them.

Sandra

Our house was vacant for a while

Sharon Rudd

watch out
> for kissing bugs.

Is that an activity? or a species?

Sharon of the Swamp

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>
>Oh, you'll LOVE New Mexico.
>In two weeks they're mummified like little feathery or scaly rocks.
Sandra
Cool! Then we can Keep them!>
Elissa, who will soon be singing
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In a message dated 2/2/02 2:48:50 PM, ElissaJC@... writes:

<< >In two weeks they're mummified like little feathery or scaly rocks.
Sandra
Cool! Then we can Keep them!> >>

In fifth grade I picked up a snake that had been run over by a car
lenghtwise. It was still "warm" (for a snake). I took it to lunch with me.
The teacher was disgusted and told me to throw it away, but I wouldn't. When
she found out later I still had it, in the classroom, she gave me a box for
it.

I took it home. By then it was no longer "bendable/poseable." I kept it in
my room a while, and then set it up across the top of a horseshoe which was
nailed above the door to a shed we used as a playhouse. It stayed there at
least three years. Looked awful near the end, but it was MINE.

Sandra

Nancy Wooton

on 2/2/02 8:54 AM, Pam Hartley at pamhartley@... wrote:

> Your dating guru of the dog world,
>
> Pam

Dog parks. You forgot dog parks. Oh, and in addition to agility --

FLYBALL! I've heard it said that agility is a nice party, but flyball is a
kegger. Conformation shows are black-tie Republican fundraisers/drag balls.

Nancy, married but friendly with the dog park guys.


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"I want to tell you about the most wonderful place in the world: Doggie
Heaven. In Doggie Heaven, there are mountains of bones, and you can't turn
around without sniffing another dog's butt!"
--Homer Simpson