Sandra Dodd

This is on Ren's blog, so I have some requests for clarification from
Ren, but for those of you who have long let your kids eat what they
wanted, are there any Twinkies fans among them?

-=I read the argument that if a toddler wanted beer and twinkies for
breakfast every morning we would be remiss as parents to honor that
choice. Seriously? I've NEVER met a small child that truly LIKED
those foods for one. For two, even if those two options were always
presented along with healthy choices, a small child will balance
themselves out quite nicely. I've watched it happen. Beer and
twinkies get OLD really fast I bet. Not that any of my children every
liked beer. The few times they tasted a sip from an adult, they spit
it out, wrinkled their nose and said "YUCK".-=-

Ren, don't tell us where it came from unless it's a very public
place. If it's a list or blog, let it be anonymous, please.

But sheeesh! Seriously, someone was saying parents should "honor"
the (theoretical) request by a toddler of beer and Twinkies?

We've never made our kids eat anything, nor said "absolutely no way"
about anything, and they have never wanted Twinkies. A friend of
theirs once, for fun, talked several guys into pooling money to make
a "Twinkie Casserole." Half of that fluffy mess stayed on our
counter for a few days, and the leftover ingredients were there a
while, untouched. Half a jar of marshmallow cream. I'd never owned
any before, my kids didn't want any, and after a year or so I threw
it away.

The last few things my kids have asked for from the store: plums,
apples, macaroni and cheese, pizza, milk and cheese.

There are two girl scout cookies in a bowl in the fridge, open,
untouched for days. There were five but I ate three thin mints in
three days, and have left the other one there.

THAT is what happens when you let kids have food.

Holly asked for wine with pizza a month or so ago. She knew we had
some wine that had come to us, homemade by a friend of Keith's
brother in Virginia. So Keith opened a bottle. She tasted it and
didn't like it. That was that.

Sandra




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riasplace3

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>

> We've never made our kids eat anything, nor said "absolutely no way"
> about anything, and they have never wanted Twinkies.


My SIL was talking last week about her kids..."I don't keep junk food
in the house, because if they get some they go wild and will eat
nothing else."

I remembered it last night while my girls were snacking on frozen
fruit...and ignoring all the "junk" in the house.

I think I've bought Twinkies once since I've had kids. No one liked
them much, so we haven't bought more.

Once, just after a spinach recall my oldest dd was asking for fresh
spinach at the grocery store and I was explaining about the recall and
why I did't really think we should buy it, and thought how odd that
would sound to anyone walking past. : )

Ria

Heather

My kids have never had twinkies. Although they could if they wanted to.
I've never liked them. This discussion reminded me of a book review I read
recently....

Ok, here it is...
**"Twinkie, Deconstructed: My Journey to Discover How the Ingredients Found
in Processed Foods Are Grown, Mined (Yes, Mined), and Manipulated Into What
America Eats" by Steve Ettlinger.
The review didn't make me any more likely to eat a twinkie LOL.

My son, age 12, asked if we could have grilled salmon for dinner tonight
<g>.

heather
in tucson
**


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Ren Allen

~~Ren, don't tell us where it came from unless it's a very public
place. If it's a list or blog, let it be anonymous, please.~~


It's ok to tell.:)
That post was actually a response to some comments at someone elses
blog. There was an ongoing discussion there, which I linked in my own
blogpost if anyone is interested. The blogger and I actually agree on
more than we disagree about, but she'd posted some things about
"neglectful" parenting and it riled me up a bit.

It was said that if her child wanted nothing but beer and twinkies for
breakfast she'd be a bad parent to let them have it. It was also
"neglectful" to let your child's teeth rot, which we had an ongoing
challenge with Jalen about and I disagreed strongly with that point of
view. Anyhoo, it's all there. I talked about my "neglect" by letting
my child choose and by NOT strapping him down in order to fix his
teeth when I thought it was in his best interest.

I wouldn't want a bunch of people to go read the post and then go read
at her blog and post a bunch of stuff. It's died, let it die. But it
does make for interesting reading. I don't want to be the cause of her
blog exploding either....she's someone I have a lot of respect for.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Amy

The best twinkie I ever saw was one that we found when we cleaned out
my Grandma's house after she died. That thing must have been 30
years old and it had become petrified. I wish I would have kept it.
So if you do buy some, throw one in the back of a cupboard for a few
years...

Someone gave my daughter a rice crispy treat. She wasn't even sure
what to do with it (she was 2 then, 5 now) so she used it like a
coaster.
She loves to have sweets on hand, but lately has been getting annoyed
at how fast they disappear when she puts them out for friends. One
friend was filling her own pockets! ( I put them away after that)

Amy

--- In [email protected], Heather <swingdancechick@...>
wrote:
>
> My kids have never had twinkies. Although they could if they
wanted to.
> I've never liked them. This discussion reminded me of a book
review I read
> recently....
>
> Ok, here it is...
> **"Twinkie, Deconstructed: My Journey to Discover How the
Ingredients Found
> in Processed Foods Are Grown, Mined (Yes, Mined), and Manipulated
Into What
> America Eats" by Steve Ettlinger.
> The review didn't make me any more likely to eat a twinkie LOL.
>
> My son, age 12, asked if we could have grilled salmon for dinner
tonight
> <g>.
>
> heather
> in tucson
> **
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Priscilla

This is too funny! Why would anyone want to live on Beer and
Twinkies?

My 10yr old dd asked for Twinkies about a year ago, because she had
eaten some somewhere else and wanted more, so I bought them and she
ate one. The rest sat there in the box for a long time(they were not
fit to eat)until I threw them away. She could have them anytime she
wants, but passes them by at the store all the time. She sometimes
gets on a powdered sugar donut binge, but after a while, that slows
down on that, too. Everyone in our family loves chocolate and we
have Ding Dongs in our pantry all the time and dd could have them any
time she wants,but she has eaten maybe one in the last year. She
loves that EZ-Cheese on scrabbled eggs and I tried to tell her one
time that she shouldn't have it because I thought it was just like
cholesterol in a can. She wanted eggs EVERDAY with EZ-CHEESE for a
month. When she finally realized that I wasn't forbiding her to have
it, she slowed down on it and went back to her powdered sugar donut
binge.....hehehe!

Beer....Wine....both have been offered to her, and she couldn't get
past the smell...that may change someday, and I am so very thankful
now that I don't have to bite my tongue while she has beer and
twinkies on a daily basis. I might think of running from
unschooling..hehehe!

She just has no desire to have things or binge on things, just
because it is forbidden, because it's not forbidden. I think this is
a great way to live!!

wisdomalways5

my husband drinks beer and the girls were then maybe 3 and 4 and
they wanted to know what it was- we said beer but they could have a
taste- they both thought it gross though the little one thought it
smelled like bannans-

they now are 5 and 3 and they usually choose small watermellons or
raspberries or their favorite cookie- there was once waffles and
cookies sitting side by side on the counter and they would pick up a
cookie and then put it back for a waffle- most candies and cookies
get tossed because nobody finishes them- when they want a candy bar
in the store they usually give me half because they are done. Grapes
disappear quickly on the counter so do baby carrots

Julie



--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
wrote:
>
> This is on Ren's blog, so I have some requests for clarification
from
> Ren, but for those of you who have long let your kids eat what
they
> wanted, are there any Twinkies fans among them?
>
> -=I read the argument that if a toddler wanted beer and twinkies
for
> breakfast every morning we would be remiss as parents to honor
that
> choice. Seriously? I've NEVER met a small child that truly LIKED
> those foods for one. For two, even if those two options were
always
> presented along with healthy choices, a small child will balance
> themselves out quite nicely. I've watched it happen. Beer and
> twinkies get OLD really fast I bet. Not that any of my children
every
> liked beer. The few times they tasted a sip from an adult, they
spit
> it out, wrinkled their nose and said "YUCK".-=-
>
> Ren, don't tell us where it came from unless it's a very public
> place. If it's a list or blog, let it be anonymous, please.
>
> But sheeesh! Seriously, someone was saying parents
should "honor"
> the (theoretical) request by a toddler of beer and Twinkies?
>
> We've never made our kids eat anything, nor said "absolutely no
way"
> about anything, and they have never wanted Twinkies. A friend
of
> theirs once, for fun, talked several guys into pooling money to
make
> a "Twinkie Casserole." Half of that fluffy mess stayed on our
> counter for a few days, and the leftover ingredients were there a
> while, untouched. Half a jar of marshmallow cream. I'd never
owned
> any before, my kids didn't want any, and after a year or so I
threw
> it away.
>
> The last few things my kids have asked for from the store:
plums,
> apples, macaroni and cheese, pizza, milk and cheese.
>
> There are two girl scout cookies in a bowl in the fridge, open,
> untouched for days. There were five but I ate three thin mints
in
> three days, and have left the other one there.
>
> THAT is what happens when you let kids have food.
>
> Holly asked for wine with pizza a month or so ago. She knew we
had
> some wine that had come to us, homemade by a friend of Keith's
> brother in Virginia. So Keith opened a bottle. She tasted it
and
> didn't like it. That was that.
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sandra Dodd

-=-when they want a candy bar
in the store they usually give me half because they are done.-=-

I was just cleaning out part of the freezer, to put summer treats.
I bought some Dr Pepper and Sprite freezer pops (like flavored water
in plastic tubes) and I wanted to put them in an easily-accessible
place. They've been here two weeks and nobody's touched them, but
still...

When I was cleaning that little door-drawer, I threw away 1/4 of a
candy bar someone had put up there one time and forgotten about.

When I was a kid there was nothing that could have made me forget I
had part of a candy bar, or some money. My kids are calm and happy
and not basing their value and freedom on a paltry sum of money or an
ounce of candy.



Sandra

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Maisha Khalfani

Healthy eating has been an economic struggle for my family since I've been
married. When I was the stay at home parent we generally didn't buy sweets
- we made them instead. Homemade cookies tasted better and weren't $4.
That way when they were all gone the day they were made I didn't feel like
any money was "gone". Now that I am working and dh is home we eat far more
sweets here than I would like. Honestly because they are a cost-effective
snack.



That will change in the summer, though. I get my WIC farmer's market
coupons and we go check out fresh fruits and veggies from the local farmers
market without breaking the bank.



be at peace,

Maisha

<http://khalfanifamilyadventures.blogspot.com/> Khalfani Family Adventures

<http://earthspiritjourneys.blogspot.com/> EarthSpirit Journeys



"We have the need to be accepted and to be loved by others, but we cannot
accept and love ourselves. The more self-love we have, the less we will
experience self-abuse. Self-abuse comes from self-rejection, and
self-rejection comes from having an image of what it means to be perfect and
never measuring up to that ideal. Our image of perfection is the reason we
reject ourselves the way we are, and why we don't accept others the way they
are."

~ Don Miguel Ruiz





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Kim H

I'm so sorry to enter in now with this question, as abit of time's gone on, but what are Twinkies? I'm sure we don't have them in Australia.

Kim
----- Original Message -----
From: Priscilla
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Beer and Twinkies!?


This is too funny! Why would anyone want to live on Beer and
Twinkies?

My 10yr old dd asked for Twinkies about a year ago, because she had
eaten some somewhere else and wanted more, so I bought them and she
ate one. The rest sat there in the box for a long time(they were not
fit to eat)until I threw them away. She could have them anytime she
wants, but passes them by at the store all the time. She sometimes
gets on a powdered sugar donut binge, but after a while, that slows
down on that, too. Everyone in our family loves chocolate and we
have Ding Dongs in our pantry all the time and dd could have them any
time she wants,but she has eaten maybe one in the last year. She
loves that EZ-Cheese on scrabbled eggs and I tried to tell her one
time that she shouldn't have it because I thought it was just like
cholesterol in a can. She wanted eggs EVERDAY with EZ-CHEESE for a
month. When she finally realized that I wasn't forbiding her to have
it, she slowed down on it and went back to her powdered sugar donut
binge.....hehehe!

Beer....Wine....both have been offered to her, and she couldn't get
past the smell...that may change someday, and I am so very thankful
now that I don't have to bite my tongue while she has beer and
twinkies on a daily basis. I might think of running from
unschooling..hehehe!

She just has no desire to have things or binge on things, just
because it is forbidden, because it's not forbidden. I think this is
a great way to live!!





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Barbara Perez

Fluffy overprocessed dough-and-sugar confections that sit wrapped in plastic
on store shelves for months without going bad (!)

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kim H <kimlewismark@...> wrote:

> I'm so sorry to enter in now with this question, as abit of time's gone
> on, but what are Twinkies? I'm sure we don't have them in Australia.
>
> Kim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Priscilla
> To: [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:40 PM
> Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Beer and Twinkies!?
>
> This is too funny! Why would anyone want to live on Beer and
> Twinkies?
>
> My 10yr old dd asked for Twinkies about a year ago, because she had
> eaten some somewhere else and wanted more, so I bought them and she
> ate one. The rest sat there in the box for a long time(they were not
> fit to eat)until I threw them away. She could have them anytime she
> wants, but passes them by at the store all the time. She sometimes
> gets on a powdered sugar donut binge, but after a while, that slows
> down on that, too. Everyone in our family loves chocolate and we
> have Ding Dongs in our pantry all the time and dd could have them any
> time she wants,but she has eaten maybe one in the last year. She
> loves that EZ-Cheese on scrabbled eggs and I tried to tell her one
> time that she shouldn't have it because I thought it was just like
> cholesterol in a can. She wanted eggs EVERDAY with EZ-CHEESE for a
> month. When she finally realized that I wasn't forbiding her to have
> it, she slowed down on it and went back to her powdered sugar donut
> binge.....hehehe!
>
> Beer....Wine....both have been offered to her, and she couldn't get
> past the smell...that may change someday, and I am so very thankful
> now that I don't have to bite my tongue while she has beer and
> twinkies on a daily basis. I might think of running from
> unschooling..hehehe!
>
> She just has no desire to have things or binge on things, just
> because it is forbidden, because it's not forbidden. I think this is
> a great way to live!!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Barbara Perez

Forgot to add, there's a very funny website for science experiments
featuring twinkies - I wouldn't be surprised if it was done by a life
learner! http://www.twinkiesproject.com/

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kim H <kimlewismark@...> wrote:

> I'm so sorry to enter in now with this question, as abit of time's gone
> on, but what are Twinkies? I'm sure we don't have them in Australia.
>
> Kim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Priscilla
> To: [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:40 PM
> Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Beer and Twinkies!?
>
> This is too funny! Why would anyone want to live on Beer and
> Twinkies?
>
> My 10yr old dd asked for Twinkies about a year ago, because she had
> eaten some somewhere else and wanted more, so I bought them and she
> ate one. The rest sat there in the box for a long time(they were not
> fit to eat)until I threw them away. She could have them anytime she
> wants, but passes them by at the store all the time. She sometimes
> gets on a powdered sugar donut binge, but after a while, that slows
> down on that, too. Everyone in our family loves chocolate and we
> have Ding Dongs in our pantry all the time and dd could have them any
> time she wants,but she has eaten maybe one in the last year. She
> loves that EZ-Cheese on scrabbled eggs and I tried to tell her one
> time that she shouldn't have it because I thought it was just like
> cholesterol in a can. She wanted eggs EVERDAY with EZ-CHEESE for a
> month. When she finally realized that I wasn't forbiding her to have
> it, she slowed down on it and went back to her powdered sugar donut
> binge.....hehehe!
>
> Beer....Wine....both have been offered to her, and she couldn't get
> past the smell...that may change someday, and I am so very thankful
> now that I don't have to bite my tongue while she has beer and
> twinkies on a daily basis. I might think of running from
> unschooling..hehehe!
>
> She just has no desire to have things or binge on things, just
> because it is forbidden, because it's not forbidden. I think this is
> a great way to live!!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Vicki Dennis

Sponge cake with a cream filling. Elongated shape. Sold as a snack food.
http://www.hostesscakes.com/twinkies.asp

vicki


On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Kim H <kimlewismark@...> wrote:

> I'm so sorry to enter in now with this question, as abit of time's gone
> on, but what are Twinkies? I'm sure we don't have them in Australia.
>
> Kim
>
> -
>


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Sandra Dodd

-=-I'm so sorry to enter in now with this question, as abit of time's
gone on, but what are Twinkies? I'm sure we don't have them in
Australia. -=-

"A creme filled Hostess snack!!" (from commercials of the past)

BANANA!? Not usually banana. Plain/vanilla.
http://asapblogs.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/13/
twinkies1_2.jpg

http://www.kitchenproject.com/history/twinkie.htm
History of Twinkies.
I never knew they were named after shoes.
Curiouser and curiouser.

They have had an effect on American criminal law, indirectly. There
is a term now, "the twinkie defense," based on a real trial where
someone said he had been eating too much sugar (and other stuff).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie_defense

This can tie in with the Chewbacca Defense, which is more likely to
be known in Australia, if you get South Park.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

Sandra



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swissarmy_wife

While we are on the subject... don't forget the Twinkies Cookbook!

http://www.amazon.com/Twinkies-Cookbook-Inventive-Unexpected-Collection/dp/1580087566

I personally have never actually seen the book, but I'm positive it's
a winner! <BWG>

--- In [email protected], "Barbara Perez"
<barbara.perez@...> wrote:
>
> Forgot to add, there's a very funny website for science experiments
> featuring twinkies - I wouldn't be surprised if it was done by a life
> learner! http://www.twinkiesproject.com/
>

graberamy

And here's a recipe for twinkie cake (it really taste like a twinkie:

Twinkie Cake

1 pkg. yellow cake mix ½ c. margarine
with pudding included ½ c. shortening
1 c. milk 1 c. sugar
4 Tbsp. flour 2 tsp. vanilla

Prepare cake mix as instructed on the box. Bake in a 9x13 inch pan
lined with waxed paper or parchment and greased and floured. Invert
pan on waxed paper. When cool, slice cake in half, lengthwise and
fill with filling.

Cook filling as follows. Combine milk and flour and bring to a boil.
Remove from heat and let mixture cool. In another bowl, add
margarine, shortening and sugar and beat for 4 minutes. Add to cooled
mixture with vanilla and beat 4 more minutes. Spread between layers
of layers of cake.

amy g
iowa

--- In [email protected], "swissarmy_wife"
<heatherbean@...> wrote:
>
> While we are on the subject... don't forget the Twinkies Cookbook!
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Twinkies-Cookbook-Inventive-Unexpected-Collection/dp/1580087566
>
> I personally have never actually seen the book, but I'm positive it's
> a winner! <BWG>
>
> --- In [email protected], "Barbara Perez"
> <barbara.perez@> wrote:
> >
> > Forgot to add, there's a very funny website for science experiments
> > featuring twinkies - I wouldn't be surprised if it was done by a life
> > learner! http://www.twinkiesproject.com/
> >
>

Laureen

Heya!

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

>
> twinkies get OLD really fast I bet. Not that any of my children every
> liked beer. The few times they tasted a sip from an adult, they spit
> it out, wrinkled their nose and said "YUCK".-=-


Both my sons have never met an alcohol they didn't like. They will flat-out
ask for beer, wine, etc. The only beverage either of them has wrinkled their
nose at was water. While shopping yesterday, Rowan (who is five) spotted a
bottle of rose sparkling, and requested it with dinner (and delightfully
enough, it went beautifully with the pasta we were having).

We do it up, though. Rowan and Kestrel have their own glasses, and there's
always a toast or ten (the boys dig thinking up things to toast), and much
chinking of glassware and "cheers!" at the end.

I like to think that we have utterly demystified alcohol for them, given
them some guidelines for social use by example, and given them exposure
enough so that they are safe, competent consumers. I think that especially
for kids like them, who do like pretty much like all alcohol right out of
the gate, that treating it like any other desirable and allowing them to
make their own choices within an environment of support is critical.


--
~~L!

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Joanna Murphy

They may only sit for months, but they are designed to last for years. (For real!)

Joanna
--- In [email protected], "Barbara Perez" <barbara.perez@...> wrote:
>
> Fluffy overprocessed dough-and-sugar confections that sit wrapped in plastic
> on store shelves for months without going bad (!)
>

Sandra Dodd

-=-I like to think that we have utterly demystified alcohol for them,
given
them some guidelines for social use by example, and given them exposure
enough so that they are safe, competent consumers. I think that
especially
for kids like them, who do like pretty much like all alcohol right
out of
the gate, that treating it like any other desirable and allowing them to
make their own choices within an environment of support is critical.-=-

In some places the laws don't allow as much as they used to about
parents and alcohol.

The point above is good, though, because those families that say
"when you're grown" create a desire to hurry up and get older, and an
incentive to drink to prove "being big." Same old, same old. Not good.



Sandra

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