about bullies
Sandra Dodd
I've been accused of being a bully. The quote (put in public, on
someone else's blog) is this:
-=-She's been a bully and disrespectful in the face of a humbled
apology from someone wanting to listen and dialog, not once, not
twice, but three times over twice that many years. It is sad for the
very reasons you listed here: she does challenge thinking, gets
questions going...I found it all very valuable until I experienced
where the threshold of consistency ended: she's the boss, the
authority, the one runnin' the show. Not so mindful. It does however,
free one to discard an ill fitting label, knowing I would no longer
like to associate with it anyway.-=-
First, I have questions.
Was it the same person three times in six years who came, caused a
problem, "humbly" apologized and then was "bullied"?
Can someone staying on her own site and her own list who is
badmouthed there, and on a couple of blogs, be considered to be the
one doing the bullying?
And I have comments.
A private apology for a public insult is never sufficient. To be
fair, I wasn't allowing the "apology" onto the list because it was
wrapped in insult and kinda dripping with venom and defensiveness.
It didn't feel like an apology. It felt like someone begging me to
let her back in please-please-please so she could be mean to me again
once there was an audience.
People who say "I would unschool, but I don't like Sandra" (or
whatever else flimsy excuse they make) just didn't want to unschool
in the first place, but wants to blame it on someone or something.
Some people do better if they feel they have dangerous enemies. Some
people want to tag me to be their dangerous enemy. I have no
interest in being anyone's dangerous or dramatic nemesis. I don't
have a nemesis nor do I want one. I hand out with my kids a lot and
I write to other unschoolers. People who aren't unschoolers
sometimes try to stop me. People who want me to say that anything in
the whole world is unschooling if someone utters the magic word
"unschooing" before requiring French lessons or Saxon math. I won't
do that. So they try bullying.
Someone from Australia once wrote that they have the concept there of
"tall poppy syndrome." If someone is prominent, others try to chop
them down.
My prominence is from consistency and longevity. I'm still here.
If I were chopped down and weren't here, someone could claim they
chopped me down.
Someone chopped down the World Trade Center, and gets to say "I did
that!" (Or his cronies get to say it, and they like to think he's
being congratulated in Paradise where he's sitting at the head table
being backslapped and saluted, maybe.)
Someone paints on a wall and sees that graffiti or vandalism and says
"I did that!"
Someone posts something hateful on a blog comment and says "I did that!"
Meanwhile, what are her kids doing? Has she helped anyone, or
herself, or her kids? Has she hurt me?
I see comments like these, and I think "I helped with that."
http://sandradodd.com/list
http://sandradodd.com/unschool/gettingit
http://sandradodd.com/change
http://sandradodd.com/feedback
They stopped bullying their kids and they feel better about it.
I don't go to anyone else's house to see what they're doing. I don't
e-mail people and invite them to my list; they find it on their own.
If they come and start trying to change the list, or me, who's being
the bully?
Sandra
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someone else's blog) is this:
-=-She's been a bully and disrespectful in the face of a humbled
apology from someone wanting to listen and dialog, not once, not
twice, but three times over twice that many years. It is sad for the
very reasons you listed here: she does challenge thinking, gets
questions going...I found it all very valuable until I experienced
where the threshold of consistency ended: she's the boss, the
authority, the one runnin' the show. Not so mindful. It does however,
free one to discard an ill fitting label, knowing I would no longer
like to associate with it anyway.-=-
First, I have questions.
Was it the same person three times in six years who came, caused a
problem, "humbly" apologized and then was "bullied"?
Can someone staying on her own site and her own list who is
badmouthed there, and on a couple of blogs, be considered to be the
one doing the bullying?
And I have comments.
A private apology for a public insult is never sufficient. To be
fair, I wasn't allowing the "apology" onto the list because it was
wrapped in insult and kinda dripping with venom and defensiveness.
It didn't feel like an apology. It felt like someone begging me to
let her back in please-please-please so she could be mean to me again
once there was an audience.
People who say "I would unschool, but I don't like Sandra" (or
whatever else flimsy excuse they make) just didn't want to unschool
in the first place, but wants to blame it on someone or something.
Some people do better if they feel they have dangerous enemies. Some
people want to tag me to be their dangerous enemy. I have no
interest in being anyone's dangerous or dramatic nemesis. I don't
have a nemesis nor do I want one. I hand out with my kids a lot and
I write to other unschoolers. People who aren't unschoolers
sometimes try to stop me. People who want me to say that anything in
the whole world is unschooling if someone utters the magic word
"unschooing" before requiring French lessons or Saxon math. I won't
do that. So they try bullying.
Someone from Australia once wrote that they have the concept there of
"tall poppy syndrome." If someone is prominent, others try to chop
them down.
My prominence is from consistency and longevity. I'm still here.
If I were chopped down and weren't here, someone could claim they
chopped me down.
Someone chopped down the World Trade Center, and gets to say "I did
that!" (Or his cronies get to say it, and they like to think he's
being congratulated in Paradise where he's sitting at the head table
being backslapped and saluted, maybe.)
Someone paints on a wall and sees that graffiti or vandalism and says
"I did that!"
Someone posts something hateful on a blog comment and says "I did that!"
Meanwhile, what are her kids doing? Has she helped anyone, or
herself, or her kids? Has she hurt me?
I see comments like these, and I think "I helped with that."
http://sandradodd.com/list
http://sandradodd.com/unschool/gettingit
http://sandradodd.com/change
http://sandradodd.com/feedback
They stopped bullying their kids and they feel better about it.
I don't go to anyone else's house to see what they're doing. I don't
e-mail people and invite them to my list; they find it on their own.
If they come and start trying to change the list, or me, who's being
the bully?
Sandra
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diana jenner
On 6/22/07, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
humbled by your wisdom are still here ::vbeg::. It's the folks who refuse
to see the honesty take off and become those you describe below. Lately I've
felt like a line out of "Silence of the Lambs" when Clarice asks Lechter to
focus his seeing-powers into himself and describe what he sees. He clucks at
her for the silly request. When I'm unwilling to look into myself
(especially when what I don't want to look at has been pointed out by
someone else) I *KNOW* that's a big sign for *ME* to do something different,
investigate and *DO* -- not kvetch, not bully, truly BE the change.
not once, not twice, but three times over twice that many years.
You'd think if she put that much time and energy into making just ONE kid
happier than yesterday, she'd not need to think of you, not one time.
I also think that being a jerk three times in six years is pretty dang good
for a grumpy butt like you :::beg::: Heck, I wish I was only *evil* that
often... another bar you've set ;)
It is sad for the very reasons you listed here: she does challenge thinking,
give you credit for) , I mean your lists. That's the complaint area, yes?
You've got a monopoly on *unschooling*?? Are you gonna trademark it? hee hee
hee
First, I have questions.
Thank you for moderating as much as you do to keep *our* ickiness to a
minimum on this list and out of our discussions. Sometimes that's percieved
as icky by some, good thing they can either take a break and realize that
maybe there *is* something to what was said, or go somewhere else and have
their hands patted and heads stroked. I'm glad this is not the place for
that.
People who say "I would unschool, but I don't like Sandra" (or
power in my life and I *like* you! ;) Why would I give someone I don't like
power/justification for my shittiness in my relationship with my kids? It's
just not rational or reasonable -- a far cry from mindful and attached.
Some people do better if they feel they have dangerous enemies. Some
Someone from Australia once wrote that they have the concept there of
yeah, lookit the rest of our kids and us shining mamas -- the result of your
commitment to making the world a better place, one relationship at a time.
And yeah, I know your goal isn't nearly that lofty, it's just what you're
doing. Thanks.
I don't go to anyone else's house to see what they're doing. I don't
hope so. Her kids aren't apt to stay young very long.
--
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
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>-=-=-=-=- I assumed, wrongly so it seems, that those of us who have been
> I've been accused of being a bully. The quote (put in public, on someone
> else's blog) is this:
>
> -=-She's been a bully and disrespectful in the face of a humbled
> apology from someone wanting to listen and dialog,
>
humbled by your wisdom are still here ::vbeg::. It's the folks who refuse
to see the honesty take off and become those you describe below. Lately I've
felt like a line out of "Silence of the Lambs" when Clarice asks Lechter to
focus his seeing-powers into himself and describe what he sees. He clucks at
her for the silly request. When I'm unwilling to look into myself
(especially when what I don't want to look at has been pointed out by
someone else) I *KNOW* that's a big sign for *ME* to do something different,
investigate and *DO* -- not kvetch, not bully, truly BE the change.
not once, not twice, but three times over twice that many years.
>-=-=-=-=-Wow! Someone's keeping score *with a calendar*?!?!?! That's funny!!
You'd think if she put that much time and energy into making just ONE kid
happier than yesterday, she'd not need to think of you, not one time.
I also think that being a jerk three times in six years is pretty dang good
for a grumpy butt like you :::beg::: Heck, I wish I was only *evil* that
often... another bar you've set ;)
It is sad for the very reasons you listed here: she does challenge thinking,
> gets-=-=-=-=-=-Isn't it *indeed* your show? Not unschooling (like she wants to
> questions going...I found it all very valuable until I experienced
> where the threshold of consistency ended: she's the boss, the
> authority, the one runnin' the show. Not so mindful. It does however,
> free one to discard an ill fitting label, knowing I would no longer
> like to associate with it anyway.-=-
>
give you credit for) , I mean your lists. That's the complaint area, yes?
You've got a monopoly on *unschooling*?? Are you gonna trademark it? hee hee
hee
First, I have questions.
>-=-=-=-=-=-I know how you work personally to keep ickiness to a minimum.
> Was it the same person three times in six years who came, caused a
> problem, "humbly" apologized and then was "bullied"?
>
Thank you for moderating as much as you do to keep *our* ickiness to a
minimum on this list and out of our discussions. Sometimes that's percieved
as icky by some, good thing they can either take a break and realize that
maybe there *is* something to what was said, or go somewhere else and have
their hands patted and heads stroked. I'm glad this is not the place for
that.
People who say "I would unschool, but I don't like Sandra" (or
> whatever else flimsy excuse they make) just didn't want to unschool-=-=-=-I know people like this. Sorry Sandra, you don't carry that kind of
> in the first place, but wants to blame it on someone or something.
>
power in my life and I *like* you! ;) Why would I give someone I don't like
power/justification for my shittiness in my relationship with my kids? It's
just not rational or reasonable -- a far cry from mindful and attached.
Some people do better if they feel they have dangerous enemies. Some
> people want to tag me to be their dangerous enemy. I have no-=-=-=-The Secular Unschooler's Satan?
> interest in being anyone's dangerous or dramatic nemesis. I don't
> have a nemesis nor do I want one. I hand out with my kids a lot and
> I write to other unschoolers. People who aren't unschoolers
> sometimes try to stop me. People who want me to say that anything in
> the whole world is unschooling if someone utters the magic word
> "unschooing" before requiring French lessons or Saxon math. I won't
> do that. So they try bullying.
>
Someone from Australia once wrote that they have the concept there of
> "tall poppy syndrome." If someone is prominent, others try to chop-=-=-=-=-=-Lookit them beautiful humans in your house!! "YOU did that!" and
> them down.
>
> My prominence is from consistency and longevity. I'm still here.
> If I were chopped down and weren't here, someone could claim they
> chopped me down.
>
> Someone chopped down the World Trade Center, and gets to say "I did
> that!" (Or his cronies get to say it, and they like to think he's
> being congratulated in Paradise where he's sitting at the head table
> being backslapped and saluted, maybe.)
>
> Someone paints on a wall and sees that graffiti or vandalism and says
> "I did that!"
>
> Someone posts something hateful on a blog comment and says "I did that!"
>
> Meanwhile, what are her kids doing? Has she helped anyone, or
> herself, or her kids? Has she hurt me?
>
> I see comments like these, and I think "I helped with that."
>
> http://sandradodd.com/list
>
> http://sandradodd.com/unschool/gettingit
>
> http://sandradodd.com/change
>
> http://sandradodd.com/feedback
>
> They stopped bullying their kids and they feel better about it.
>
yeah, lookit the rest of our kids and us shining mamas -- the result of your
commitment to making the world a better place, one relationship at a time.
And yeah, I know your goal isn't nearly that lofty, it's just what you're
doing. Thanks.
I don't go to anyone else's house to see what they're doing. I don't
> e-mail people and invite them to my list; they find it on their own.-=-=-=-Will the person who most needs to know the answer ever get it? I sure
> If they come and start trying to change the list, or me, who's being
> the bully?
>
>
>
hope so. Her kids aren't apt to stay young very long.
--
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/22/2007 5:16:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hahamommy@... writes:
-=-=-=-=-=-Lookit them beautiful humans in your house!! "YOU did that!" and
yeah, lookit the rest of our kids and us shining mamas -- the result of your
commitment to making the world a better place, one relationship at a time.
And yeah, I know your goal isn't nearly that lofty, it's just what you're
doing. Thanks
_____
I'm one of those people out here...reading often...posting only in my
mind... I often hear Sandra's voice in my head and it's always one of honesty,
reason and truth. There isn't a day that goes by as I look at our unschooling
lives that I don't say a silent "thank you" for her words, her commitment and
the difference in my children's lives because of our connection.
So thanks from this part of the world too. The words and ideas she shares
make our world better every day.
Gail
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com
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hahamommy@... writes:
-=-=-=-=-=-Lookit them beautiful humans in your house!! "YOU did that!" and
yeah, lookit the rest of our kids and us shining mamas -- the result of your
commitment to making the world a better place, one relationship at a time.
And yeah, I know your goal isn't nearly that lofty, it's just what you're
doing. Thanks
_____
I'm one of those people out here...reading often...posting only in my
mind... I often hear Sandra's voice in my head and it's always one of honesty,
reason and truth. There isn't a day that goes by as I look at our unschooling
lives that I don't say a silent "thank you" for her words, her commitment and
the difference in my children's lives because of our connection.
So thanks from this part of the world too. The words and ideas she shares
make our world better every day.
Gail
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com
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Erica Iwamura
I appreciate Sandra's candor in all of her responses. I think that she
tells it like it is and is not harsh but just honest. Sometimes the truth
hurts but if you're willing to examine yourself and apply the advice given
by other, more experienced, unschoolers on this list you will come out
better off. Sandra has raised her children well. My boys are 7 and 5 and I
appreciate the wisdom given by others to help us be better, respectful and
trusting parents to them.
Erica
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tells it like it is and is not harsh but just honest. Sometimes the truth
hurts but if you're willing to examine yourself and apply the advice given
by other, more experienced, unschoolers on this list you will come out
better off. Sandra has raised her children well. My boys are 7 and 5 and I
appreciate the wisdom given by others to help us be better, respectful and
trusting parents to them.
Erica
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Sandra Dodd
-=-I hand out with my kids a lot and
That's what I meant to say.
But considering that they've been willing, all these years, to let me
share their lives, and that Kirby's going with me to the HSC
conference in Sacramento, and Holly's going with me to Minneapolis
(and then Maine--we're pretty sure we're going to Maine in October),
they're helping me hand out too. Handing out clues, I guess.
Sandra
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> I write to other unschoolers. =-I hang out with my kids.
That's what I meant to say.
But considering that they've been willing, all these years, to let me
share their lives, and that Kirby's going with me to the HSC
conference in Sacramento, and Holly's going with me to Minneapolis
(and then Maine--we're pretty sure we're going to Maine in October),
they're helping me hand out too. Handing out clues, I guess.
Sandra
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Angela Shaw
> (and then Maine--we're pretty sure we're going to Maine in October),Maine in October?? Now I know I am out of the loop. Where???
> they're helping me hand out too. Handing out clues, I guess.
>
Angela Shaw
game-enthusiast@...
Sandra Dodd
-=-Maine in October?? Now I know I am out of the loop. Where???-=-
Because it's not for absolutely definitely positively sure, I wasn't
saying anything yet, but if it happens as is vaguely being planned,
Holly and I will be in or near Portland, August, Bangor and maybe
Houlton in the first week of October.
If not, not. But if so, that will be very cool. I've been to
Joyce's house and around where the conference was in Massachusetts a
few years years ago. In years before that I've been to the Pennsic
war in western Pennsylvania, and to Philadelphia once to visit an SCA
friend and catch a plane, and I've been to Washington a couple of
times, and Virginia. That's about the whole of my NE U.S.
experience, and that was all after I was in my 30's and 40's.
Holly's got the Boston trip, and now Rhode Island, and she's
fifteen. Cool for her!
I've been watching the special features and documentary this'n'that
from Master and Commander and trying to figure out what's with New
Zealand accents, and when an American speaks, wondering if I would be
able to tell someone from NZ or Australia or Scotland what part of t
he U.S. that person was from. Sometimes yes. Sometimes I might be
wrong. One guy was "sounds like Paul Simon," but that doesn't mean I
can name the part of NJ or NYC he might be from, but probably guess
he's Jewish.
Holly sent me e-mail in which she said one of the guys she had met
told stories like Marty but had a Yankee accent.
I wonder if I'll have to ask for repeats of things said to me in
Maine. Eeep. I rescued my granny and my boyfriend from India from
an endless loop of "come again?" "pardon?" "come again?" one day long
ago...
Sandra
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Because it's not for absolutely definitely positively sure, I wasn't
saying anything yet, but if it happens as is vaguely being planned,
Holly and I will be in or near Portland, August, Bangor and maybe
Houlton in the first week of October.
If not, not. But if so, that will be very cool. I've been to
Joyce's house and around where the conference was in Massachusetts a
few years years ago. In years before that I've been to the Pennsic
war in western Pennsylvania, and to Philadelphia once to visit an SCA
friend and catch a plane, and I've been to Washington a couple of
times, and Virginia. That's about the whole of my NE U.S.
experience, and that was all after I was in my 30's and 40's.
Holly's got the Boston trip, and now Rhode Island, and she's
fifteen. Cool for her!
I've been watching the special features and documentary this'n'that
from Master and Commander and trying to figure out what's with New
Zealand accents, and when an American speaks, wondering if I would be
able to tell someone from NZ or Australia or Scotland what part of t
he U.S. that person was from. Sometimes yes. Sometimes I might be
wrong. One guy was "sounds like Paul Simon," but that doesn't mean I
can name the part of NJ or NYC he might be from, but probably guess
he's Jewish.
Holly sent me e-mail in which she said one of the guys she had met
told stories like Marty but had a Yankee accent.
I wonder if I'll have to ask for repeats of things said to me in
Maine. Eeep. I rescued my granny and my boyfriend from India from
an endless loop of "come again?" "pardon?" "come again?" one day long
ago...
Sandra
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Kim H
<<<People who say "I would unschool, but I don't like Sandra">>
And there are ever so many who unschool BECAUSE of you, Sandra! And I, from Australia, thank you for all that you've done and all that you do. I know you aren't looking for a pat on the back but I'd like to give you one - especially when there seems to be abit of negativity around at the moment. I wish they'd get packing!
Kim
And there are ever so many who unschool BECAUSE of you, Sandra! And I, from Australia, thank you for all that you've done and all that you do. I know you aren't looking for a pat on the back but I'd like to give you one - especially when there seems to be abit of negativity around at the moment. I wish they'd get packing!
Kim
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Dodd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:25 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] about bullies
I've been accused of being a bully. The quote (put in public, on
someone else's blog) is this:
-=-She's been a bully and disrespectful in the face of a humbled
apology from someone wanting to listen and dialog, not once, not
twice, but three times over twice that many years. It is sad for the
very reasons you listed here: she does challenge thinking, gets
questions going...I found it all very valuable until I experienced
where the threshold of consistency ended: she's the boss, the
authority, the one runnin' the show. Not so mindful. It does however,
free one to discard an ill fitting label, knowing I would no longer
like to associate with it anyway.-=-
First, I have questions.
Was it the same person three times in six years who came, caused a
problem, "humbly" apologized and then was "bullied"?
Can someone staying on her own site and her own list who is
badmouthed there, and on a couple of blogs, be considered to be the
one doing the bullying?
And I have comments.
A private apology for a public insult is never sufficient. To be
fair, I wasn't allowing the "apology" onto the list because it was
wrapped in insult and kinda dripping with venom and defensiveness.
It didn't feel like an apology. It felt like someone begging me to
let her back in please-please-please so she could be mean to me again
once there was an audience.
People who say "I would unschool, but I don't like Sandra" (or
whatever else flimsy excuse they make) just didn't want to unschool
in the first place, but wants to blame it on someone or something.
Some people do better if they feel they have dangerous enemies. Some
people want to tag me to be their dangerous enemy. I have no
interest in being anyone's dangerous or dramatic nemesis. I don't
have a nemesis nor do I want one. I hand out with my kids a lot and
I write to other unschoolers. People who aren't unschoolers
sometimes try to stop me. People who want me to say that anything in
the whole world is unschooling if someone utters the magic word
"unschooing" before requiring French lessons or Saxon math. I won't
do that. So they try bullying.
Someone from Australia once wrote that they have the concept there of
"tall poppy syndrome." If someone is prominent, others try to chop
them down.
My prominence is from consistency and longevity. I'm still here.
If I were chopped down and weren't here, someone could claim they
chopped me down.
Someone chopped down the World Trade Center, and gets to say "I did
that!" (Or his cronies get to say it, and they like to think he's
being congratulated in Paradise where he's sitting at the head table
being backslapped and saluted, maybe.)
Someone paints on a wall and sees that graffiti or vandalism and says
"I did that!"
Someone posts something hateful on a blog comment and says "I did that!"
Meanwhile, what are her kids doing? Has she helped anyone, or
herself, or her kids? Has she hurt me?
I see comments like these, and I think "I helped with that."
http://sandradodd.com/list
http://sandradodd.com/unschool/gettingit
http://sandradodd.com/change
http://sandradodd.com/feedback
They stopped bullying their kids and they feel better about it.
I don't go to anyone else's house to see what they're doing. I don't
e-mail people and invite them to my list; they find it on their own.
If they come and start trying to change the list, or me, who's being
the bully?
Sandra
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Dawne
DITTO!!!!!!! I def. second those opinions! Sandra, you are an Angel!! Or at
least my Angel!! IN my mind daily, keeping me moving forward and growing and
connecting--more and MORE each and every day!!
~Dawne in Maine
AND YES can't wait for October and your visit to Maine!!!! :-)) <<<BWG>>>
In a message dated 6/22/2007 5:16:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hahamommy@... writes:
-=-=-=-=-=-Lookit them beautiful humans in your house!! "YOU did that!" and
yeah, lookit the rest of our kids and us shining mamas -- the result of your
commitment to making the world a better place, one relationship at a time.
And yeah, I know your goal isn't nearly that lofty, it's just what you're
doing. Thanks
_____
I'm one of those people out here...reading often...posting only in my
mind... I often hear Sandra's voice in my head and it's always one of
honesty,
reason and truth. There isn't a day that goes by as I look at our
unschooling
lives that I don't say a silent "thank you" for her words, her commitment
and
the difference in my children's lives because of our connection.
So thanks from this part of the world too. The words and ideas she shares
make our world better every day.
Gail
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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least my Angel!! IN my mind daily, keeping me moving forward and growing and
connecting--more and MORE each and every day!!
~Dawne in Maine
AND YES can't wait for October and your visit to Maine!!!! :-)) <<<BWG>>>
In a message dated 6/22/2007 5:16:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hahamommy@... writes:
-=-=-=-=-=-Lookit them beautiful humans in your house!! "YOU did that!" and
yeah, lookit the rest of our kids and us shining mamas -- the result of your
commitment to making the world a better place, one relationship at a time.
And yeah, I know your goal isn't nearly that lofty, it's just what you're
doing. Thanks
_____
I'm one of those people out here...reading often...posting only in my
mind... I often hear Sandra's voice in my head and it's always one of
honesty,
reason and truth. There isn't a day that goes by as I look at our
unschooling
lives that I don't say a silent "thank you" for her words, her commitment
and
the difference in my children's lives because of our connection.
So thanks from this part of the world too. The words and ideas she shares
make our world better every day.
Gail
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Dawne
<<<<< Holly sent me e-mail in which she said one of the guys she had met
told stories like Marty but had a Yankee accent.
I wonder if I'll have to ask for repeats of things said to me in
Maine. >>>>>
OHH I am showah you will...!! hehe
showah= sure
cah= car
ayuh= yes
DH says to just say.. the old timers/ "Mainers" do not use the letter "R" in
their vocab!! lol
So, if you just remove it---you will talk just like 'em!! <<<BG>>>
Dawne
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told stories like Marty but had a Yankee accent.
I wonder if I'll have to ask for repeats of things said to me in
Maine. >>>>>
OHH I am showah you will...!! hehe
showah= sure
cah= car
ayuh= yes
DH says to just say.. the old timers/ "Mainers" do not use the letter "R" in
their vocab!! lol
So, if you just remove it---you will talk just like 'em!! <<<BG>>>
Dawne
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jefhdvm
> I'm one of those people out here...reading often...posting only inmy
> mind... I often hear Sandra's voice in my head and it's always oneof honesty,
> reason and truth. There isn't a day that goes by as I look atour unschooling
> lives that I don't say a silent "thank you" for her words, hercommitment and
> the difference in my children's lives because of our connection.she shares
> So thanks from this part of the world too. The words and ideas
> make our world better every day.I've been reading more lately than posting, but I have been reading
>
> Gail
Sandra's stuff since the old AOL days. Recent discussions here have
really helped me with my relationship with my son. We're both
stubborn and particular and on occasion when we're both tired and
hungry and cranky we can really butt heads. And at those times when
it seems easier to be cranky, that I hear Sandra's (and others here)
voice to be nicer to kids and to say yes (which I do most of the
time), that I take a deep breath and switch gears. Or if I've
already been cranky, take a deep breath and go make things right
(apology, hug, go get the necessary item).
So thanks from me, too!
Janet
marji
At 07:45 6/23/2007, you wrote:
some friends. We were looking for a particular lighthouse we
intended to visit and although we were in the right area, we were
going around in circles. We had the idea to ask someone for
directions, so we pulled over in front of a Victorian house where
there was a elderly looking man sitting out on his porch. Jimmy, my
husband, walked up to the guy and asked him for directions.
They spoke for a few moments (we could see the guy gesturing and
pointing and Jimmy nodding) and then Jimmy walked back to the car grinning.
Kevin, our friend who was driving said, "What did he say?"
Jimmy said, "I have NO idea!"
~Marji
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>DH says to just say.. the old timers/ "Mainers" do not use the letter "R" inA coupla years ago, we New Yawkers were traveling through Maine with
>their vocab!! lol
some friends. We were looking for a particular lighthouse we
intended to visit and although we were in the right area, we were
going around in circles. We had the idea to ask someone for
directions, so we pulled over in front of a Victorian house where
there was a elderly looking man sitting out on his porch. Jimmy, my
husband, walked up to the guy and asked him for directions.
They spoke for a few moments (we could see the guy gesturing and
pointing and Jimmy nodding) and then Jimmy walked back to the car grinning.
Kevin, our friend who was driving said, "What did he say?"
Jimmy said, "I have NO idea!"
~Marji
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Sandra Dodd
-=-Kevin, our friend who was driving said, "What did he say?"
Jimmy said, "I have NO idea!"-=-
Oh no. I am from the land of some serious "r"s.
If other Yankees can't understand them I'm in trouble.
I'll take a notepad, maybe! <g>
Sandra
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Jimmy said, "I have NO idea!"-=-
Oh no. I am from the land of some serious "r"s.
If other Yankees can't understand them I'm in trouble.
I'll take a notepad, maybe! <g>
Sandra
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Erica Iwamura
There but be a Yankee translation dictionary somewhere! <g>
Erica
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Erica
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Melissa Wiley
Hi. This is Melissa, who wrote the blog post praising Sandra's site and book that drew
negative comments from a reader who called Sandra a bully and made other accusations. I
wanted to go on the record, both here and on my blog (which I have done in three
comments below the post, here: http://liltinghouse.clubmom.com/the_lilting_house/
2007/06/lovely_lovely_l.html), that while I'm sorry the reader, Tia, was frustrated by her
experience on this list, I believe Sandra to be a person of integrity, most certainly NOT a
bully or mean-spirited in any way.
I have been a lurker on this and other unschooling lists on and off since 1995, and I've
learned a tremendous amount from Sandra and other voices here. I really appreciate the
time and energy you have poured into sharing insights and information. Thanks so much.
Regards,
Melissa Wiley
liltinghouse.clubmom.com
www.melissawiley.net
negative comments from a reader who called Sandra a bully and made other accusations. I
wanted to go on the record, both here and on my blog (which I have done in three
comments below the post, here: http://liltinghouse.clubmom.com/the_lilting_house/
2007/06/lovely_lovely_l.html), that while I'm sorry the reader, Tia, was frustrated by her
experience on this list, I believe Sandra to be a person of integrity, most certainly NOT a
bully or mean-spirited in any way.
I have been a lurker on this and other unschooling lists on and off since 1995, and I've
learned a tremendous amount from Sandra and other voices here. I really appreciate the
time and energy you have poured into sharing insights and information. Thanks so much.
Regards,
Melissa Wiley
liltinghouse.clubmom.com
www.melissawiley.net
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
> I've been accused of being a bully. The quote (put in public, on
> someone else's blog) is this:
>
> -=-She's been a bully and disrespectful in the face of a humbled
> apology from someone wanting to listen and dialog, not once, not
> twice, but three times over twice that many years. It is sad for the
> very reasons you listed here: she does challenge thinking, gets
> questions going...
Sandra Dodd
-=- I wanted to go on the record, both here and on my blog (which I
have done in three
comments below the post, here: http://liltinghouse.clubmom.com/
the_lilting_house/
2007/06/lovely_lovely_l.html), that while I'm sorry -=-
Melissa,
This is sweet, but you don't need to apologize. Really. The things
you wrote were great and much appreciated.
Thank you for the kind thoughts, but I hope you haven't been
stressing over the criticism. I know it wasn't at all from or by or
condoned by you.
Sandra
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have done in three
comments below the post, here: http://liltinghouse.clubmom.com/
the_lilting_house/
2007/06/lovely_lovely_l.html), that while I'm sorry -=-
Melissa,
This is sweet, but you don't need to apologize. Really. The things
you wrote were great and much appreciated.
Thank you for the kind thoughts, but I hope you haven't been
stressing over the criticism. I know it wasn't at all from or by or
condoned by you.
Sandra
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Gold Standard
>>Oh no. I am from the land of some serious "r"s.Well, we can *understand* the "R's" just fine, and we even think we're
>>If other Yankees can't understand them I'm in trouble.<<
saying them...
My husband and I were married in New Hampshire in 1988, my whole family is
from Massachusetts.
Dh's brother, a Midwesterner from birth, drove to the wedding from Logan
airport in Boston. Afterwards, he asked my mother for directions to her
house, where he would be sleeping.
She said, according to John, "Go straight to Zaya's packing lot. Then turn
left." Well, he drove straight and straight and straight for about 60 miles.
Never saw a packing lot (looking for trucks being packed) named Zaya's.
Zayer's parking lot was only 5 miles from where they were. He didn't bring
phone numbers with him, and ended up sleeping at the airport, mystified.
It was weeks later when he told me the story, and I was able to clarify what
she really said. After doubled-over laughter of course.
:o)
Jacki
PS I eliminated my accent after months of conscious work during college. I
did it because I was tired of comments from people. Before that, I couldn't
hear the accent in anyone around me. After that, it was clear as a bell (and
I have to say a little irritating...I don't know why)!
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Manisha Kher
--- In [email protected], "Gold Standard" <jacki@...> >
educated people do not have much of an accent. So I suspect that
they lose their accents at college. That's kind of sad because I
enjoy hearing different accents.
Sandra, most people here do not consider New Yorkers Yankees. You
have to be a New Englander to be called a Yankee.
Oh, and some of those R's that got dropped appear at the end of
other words, such as "idear" and "drawr". It's said just ever so
slightly though. This is not unique to the local accent here. I've
heard BBC reporters say Indiar many times.
Manisha
Honorary New Englander with an Indian accent :)
> PS I eliminated my accent after months of conscious work duringcollege. I
> did it because I was tired of comments from people. Before that, Icouldn't
> hear the accent in anyone around me. After that, it was clear as abell (and
> I have to say a little irritating...I don't know why)!I've noticed around here (in Massachusetts) that most college
educated people do not have much of an accent. So I suspect that
they lose their accents at college. That's kind of sad because I
enjoy hearing different accents.
Sandra, most people here do not consider New Yorkers Yankees. You
have to be a New Englander to be called a Yankee.
Oh, and some of those R's that got dropped appear at the end of
other words, such as "idear" and "drawr". It's said just ever so
slightly though. This is not unique to the local accent here. I've
heard BBC reporters say Indiar many times.
Manisha
Honorary New Englander with an Indian accent :)
Sandra Dodd
-=-Sandra, most people here do not consider New Yorkers Yankees. You
have to be a New Englander to be called a Yankee.-=-
Right. It's relative to where the speaker is, and to scale. In
England, I'm a yankee. <g>
If I tell you I live in northern New Mexico, that's technically
true. And it's good enough for distant places. But within New
Mexico, this isn't "northern New Mexico."
Same with other local designations, I'm sure. I don't think southern
California is 1/2 the state, nor is West Texas something to draw a
line down the middle of Texas to find.
Sandra
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have to be a New Englander to be called a Yankee.-=-
Right. It's relative to where the speaker is, and to scale. In
England, I'm a yankee. <g>
If I tell you I live in northern New Mexico, that's technically
true. And it's good enough for distant places. But within New
Mexico, this isn't "northern New Mexico."
Same with other local designations, I'm sure. I don't think southern
California is 1/2 the state, nor is West Texas something to draw a
line down the middle of Texas to find.
Sandra
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