Bill Ellis

>
> "Sandra Dodd" Sandra@... sandralynndodd wrote:
> ... So is there now bogus New-Age science to compete with
> bogus "creationist science"? ... [snip]
BE:
If you wish to call science developed by Nobel winner like physicist
Murray Gell Mann, economists, and other top scientists bogus you are
welcome. I suggest you read Smolin's "The Life of the Cosmos,"
Harwking's "The Universe in a Nutshell," "Chaos" by ???. "Complexity"
by ??? "Gaia" by James Lovelock and other popular books on the science
shelf. They reveal that the world is very different from that of 100
years ago. It is a network of interlinked and interdependent holons
within holons.
Or if you merely want to reject my speculations on the new science and
it appliction to the social sphere feel free. But you would be better
equipped if you first read them on
http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Bill_Ellis


> Your belief system seems to value learning over education. Your
> belief system (science, paradigm) seems to value equality over
> comparative valuation.
BE:
Aside from your misunderstanding of what I was trying to say I have no
disagreement with your comments. And I follow your work with great
interest.
I might suggest that, like many others, you are more concerned with the
problems of today than the potentials of tomorrow.
The point of my diatribe on the transition from the 'dominator
paradigm" (read Riane Eisler's "The Chalice and the Blade) to a Gaian
Paradigm follows the model of the Copernicus revolution when humans
started recognizing that the Earth was not made for them and that they
were not the centeer of the univrse. It also follows the Darwin
revolution that reduced the divinity of man (and I do mean "man") to be
more equal with other living things.

These and other social revolutions did not start to reduce the evils of
the world. They are first shifts in the social mindset based in a new
world view. They did not start out to produce a shift in the social
paradigm. Those paradimg shifts followed because our knowledge of the
universe changed. I suggest that another such paradigm shift is now
happening due to transition from the 'dominator paradigm' the the
'Gaian paradigm.'
I might add that I do not use God as a divine beng who will change our
lives if we ar "good" or if we pray of Him. I used that word to
suggest that we are all equal within the laws of nature that are being
revealed by science. We all have to live under those same laws they
treat us all equally, whethr we know them or not.


The only relevance I see to this thread and homeschooling. Is that I
see homeschooling as one of many social innovations that will become
more and more important as the Gaain revolution emerges. You and
others are doing a great job , in my mind. It is more significant than
you realize. You are on the cutting edge of a deep fundamental social
change.

Keep up your good works.

Bill Ellis

Sandra Dodd

-=-They reveal that the world is very different from that of 100
years ago.-=-

The world is different? Or people's understanding of the world is
different?

-=-Or if you merely want to reject my speculations on the new science
and
it appliction to the social sphere feel free. But you would be better
equipped if you first read them on...

Better equipped to reject them?

-=-I might suggest that, like many others, you are more concerned
with the
problems of today than the potentials of tomorrow.-=-

By "the problems of today" do you mean my children's current
happiness in this moment?

I don't think you mean to suggest that the unschooling work I've done
is "concerned with the problems of today" and won't help the
"potentials of tomorrow." You're free to reject my experience (not
speculations) as "like many others" if you wish, but it seems to lack
productivity given that the list is about learning and how people can
and do learn from everything around them.

-=-. You and others are doing a great job , in my mind. It is more
significant than
you realize.-=-

I almost want to say "thanks," but really it's a kind of backhanded
compliment, don't you think?

-=-The only relevance I see to this thread and homeschooling. Is that I
see homeschooling as one of many social innovations that will become
more and more important as the Gaain revolution emerges.-=-

It's important with or without "Gaian revolutions." It's important
for its own sake. It's important in many lives this moment.

Sandra




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Schuyler

> They reveal that the world is very different from that of 100
> years ago. It is a network of interlinked and interdependent holons
> within holons.

I strongly doubt that any science is revealing that the world is very
different from the world of 100 years ago. Except demography and maybe
botany, oh, and environmental scientists. But the fundamentals are the same.
And looking at holon philosophy it doesn't seem to reject the idea of
heirarchy, it just defines them differently. A "natural heirarchy" of sorts.

I suppose it is interesting that you are making such a mental leap from
physics to social science. I suppose that is what the holon philosopher
would do.

And as you say, what you write has nothing really to add to an unschoolers
life. I would also argue that my unschooling my two children is as important
now as it would be during the post Gaian Revolution you speak of. And now is
all I've got. It is only ever now. If what I do or say or write helps
someone now it is so much more important then some intangible future. That
said, I imagine my children's futures will be much richer and happier than
they would be if I hadn't chosen to live the life I've taken them along for.

Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com

Cally Brown

>
>
> You and
>others are doing a great job , in my mind. It is more significant than
>you realize. You are on the cutting edge of a deep fundamental social
>change.
>
>Keep up your good works.
>
You say "you" - does that mean you are not actually personally connected
to unschooling?

I am interested in the whole Gaian thing, an it's on my list of things
to read more deeply about when I have time, but in the meantime I come
here to deepen my understanding of unschooling and have been wondering
about the connections in this conversation.

Cally

Sandra Dodd

-=->Keep up your good works.
>
You say "you" - does that mean you are not actually personally connected
to unschooling?-=-

I don't mind people being here who aren't unschoolers actively, and I
don't mind people without children coming and saying "interesting
reading; good job."

I do mind the feeling of having the list commandeered, and I don't
like illogical statements left lying around unanswered. Elements
(chemical or otherwise) aren't all equal.

The question about who's equal under what law how wasn't answered,
but that's okay; I knew there wasn't an answer when I asked. But
statements that can't stand up to simple questions aren't likely to
help anyone unschool better.

Sandra

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