Gail's experiences with FOX news
Sandra Dodd
I asked Gail if I could share what she sent when they got home.
Here's her response, and the long report is below that.
Sandra
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It's okay with me. I actually considered writing it to the whole
list because I'd seen your post about it. We've recovered and can now
add to our list of experiences that we were in a studio and
experienced first hand what it was like.
Overall, though it was very uncomfortable physically and
emotionally for Brenna and I.
We both knew it could be and I'm proud of us that we did it anyway. I
wish it would have been even a little bit positive about unschooling
but I don't think it was. Mainstream journalism and especially a
station like Fox is just not going to present us in a positive
light........yet..<g>
Gail
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Here's her response, and the long report is below that.
Sandra
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It's okay with me. I actually considered writing it to the whole
list because I'd seen your post about it. We've recovered and can now
add to our list of experiences that we were in a studio and
experienced first hand what it was like.
Overall, though it was very uncomfortable physically and
emotionally for Brenna and I.
We both knew it could be and I'm proud of us that we did it anyway. I
wish it would have been even a little bit positive about unschooling
but I don't think it was. Mainstream journalism and especially a
station like Fox is just not going to present us in a positive
light........yet..<g>
Gail
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> From: GailBrocOP@...[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Date: March 25, 2006 6:45:50 PM MST
> To: Sandra@...
> Subject: fox news interview
>
> Hi Sandra,
>
> I've been trying to find a way to put a positive slant to
> this....but even after decompressing for several hours am just not
> going to be able to do it.
>
> Okay.....the limo ride...that was fairly cool...<g> Nice driver.
> End of the positive part.
>
> We got there and were told it would be live. They showed us where
> we would sit, how the microphone would work and the earpieces. No
> one at the studio knew what the story was about or who would be
> asking us questions.
>
> About 5 minutes prior, they sat us in the chairs, put on the wires,
> powdered our faces and told us to look at the camera when we
> talked. Brenna was about ready to throw up...and we sat there and
> waited and waited and waited. We could hear Fox News in our
> earpieces with stories of the wife shooting the minister husband
> with occasionally references that said..."It would be some parent's
> idea of a nightmare if your children could study anything they
> wanted to study...stay tuned for our story on unschooling..." The
> lights were blinding.
>
> The anchor introduced the story saying "What would kids do if they
> had control over what they learned? It's a frightening thought for
> any parent"
>
> They asked me about unschooling. I think I made two points just as
> Pam had suggested although the feedback from the earpiece made it
> very difficult. I said something like "Unschooling has meant
> providing a rich trusting environment where my children could
> explore their interests. That was as much time as they gave before
> another question.
>
> Next...."Is it like Montesorri school for teens or does she have
> they opportunity to not work at all?"..and they put Brenna's name
> in there quietly but I didn't hear and responded thinking the
> interview would last at least more than 60 seconds. While I was
> answering they were panning to pictures of kids in schools. I
> think I said something fairly articulate but at that point I
> realized that it really didn't matter what I said.
>
> Then they went to Melissa Walker who said some inane thing about
> "What if in exploring your passions your missed out on a class in
> history where they were discussing Roe v Wade and that could have
> led to an interest in law?" WHAT????
>
> Then a Dean of Admissions from Barnard said something about there
> was no way to test the preparedness of an unschooled student and
> that students who followed no structured path are at a huge
> disadvantage.
>
> Then there was a breaking news story about 7 people shot in Seattle
> and that was the end. No chance for any responses I'd estimate the
> total time on air to be maybe 2 minutes. It was a 40 minute drive
> each way to get there and back.
>
> So, Brenna didn't get to say anything and she had these really cool
> things to say about her life.. and if she wanted to go to college
> or even get into Barnard (although it wasn't high on her list)
> that she had complete confidence that she could do it. We really
> wanted to ask if the Dean had known any unschoolers.
>
> So then, we came home...same nice limo driver.
>
> We made about a pact....no more Elle Girl Articles.....no more Fox
> TV news interviews....
>
> Not an especially positive experience.....but certainly an
> experience. Newt Gingrich had been there the day before and the
> studio people said he needed a lot of make up..<g>
>
> Oh well....Logan said probably only 5 people were watching on a
> Saturday afternoon and maybe no one we knew. He's our biggest fan.
>
> Brenna decided she hasn't had enough stress for one weekend and is
> auditioning for a role in a community theatre production of "A
> Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" tomorrow. She thinks
> she can get a part as a courtesan....that might be more fun than
> our interview.
>
> Hello to everyone there.. We could use a game of Encore tonight!
>
> Gail
Angela S.
Oh how disappointing! That is just the reason that I don't think I could
ever bring myself to do an interview on Unschooling for the mainstream
media. As much as I'd like to share about our cool Unschooling life, I just
worry that I'd be portrayed as a nut or put on the spot so that I couldn't
say what I had planned.
I think it's awesome that you felt comfortable enough to do it but I am
sorry that it wasn't a more positive experience. :(
What a learning experience for you both though. Makes you question
everything else that is on the news though, doesn't it?
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
ever bring myself to do an interview on Unschooling for the mainstream
media. As much as I'd like to share about our cool Unschooling life, I just
worry that I'd be portrayed as a nut or put on the spot so that I couldn't
say what I had planned.
I think it's awesome that you felt comfortable enough to do it but I am
sorry that it wasn't a more positive experience. :(
What a learning experience for you both though. Makes you question
everything else that is on the news though, doesn't it?
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
nellebelle
=-=-=-=-=That is just the reason that I don't think I could
ever bring myself to do an interview on Unschooling for the mainstream
media.-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I'm glad that the limo ride was fun, at least. Maybe one person will see the final piece and be interested enough to find out what unschooling really is.
Our local newspaper had a request for parents to contact them about myspace and to talk about how they limit their children's computer use. I wrote to the reporter and said this:
"I am writing as a parent who believes that the risk of my child being harmed by using the Internet is overblown.
Children are far more at risk from sexual predation by people known to the family than by strangers they meet on the Internet. Even if a predator does manage to contact a child via email or chatting, a lot would have to happen for that contact to lead to a physical meeting. Limiting children's use of the Internet is based on fear mongering and gives parents a false sense of security.
I monitor my children's Internet use by spending time with them while they are on-line. I encourage them to show me web sites they like to visit and how they use them. I show them web sites that I think they might enjoy. We speak about safety issues on an ongoing basis, just as we discuss safety in other areas of our lives."
The reporter wrote back to say that she might like to talk with me some more, but in the end she didn't and the final article was all negative and about the *risks* of myspace.
=-=-=-=-=Makes you question
everything else that is on the news though, doesn't it?-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
That is for sure!
Mary Ellen
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ever bring myself to do an interview on Unschooling for the mainstream
media.-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I'm glad that the limo ride was fun, at least. Maybe one person will see the final piece and be interested enough to find out what unschooling really is.
Our local newspaper had a request for parents to contact them about myspace and to talk about how they limit their children's computer use. I wrote to the reporter and said this:
"I am writing as a parent who believes that the risk of my child being harmed by using the Internet is overblown.
Children are far more at risk from sexual predation by people known to the family than by strangers they meet on the Internet. Even if a predator does manage to contact a child via email or chatting, a lot would have to happen for that contact to lead to a physical meeting. Limiting children's use of the Internet is based on fear mongering and gives parents a false sense of security.
I monitor my children's Internet use by spending time with them while they are on-line. I encourage them to show me web sites they like to visit and how they use them. I show them web sites that I think they might enjoy. We speak about safety issues on an ongoing basis, just as we discuss safety in other areas of our lives."
The reporter wrote back to say that she might like to talk with me some more, but in the end she didn't and the final article was all negative and about the *risks* of myspace.
=-=-=-=-=Makes you question
everything else that is on the news though, doesn't it?-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
That is for sure!
Mary Ellen
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Sandra Dodd
On Mar 26, 2006, at 3:52 PM, nellebelle wrote:
Photoshop, none of Kirby's friends are safe. She's made goofy
versions of them and a couple have been posted. One voluntarily by
the subject, as his main photo. One, as a comment from Kirby to the
victim. <g> She did one the other night that made Roxana Sorooshian
look like a zombie owl, but she didn't save it. (Roxana, you lucked
out!)
I think school is more dangerous than myspace, or of ANYthing on the
internet. The first picture porn and the first word porn I ever saw
came from kids at school. The first time I was physically mistreated
was at school. The first time I came in contact with boys who really
scared me, that I couldn't very easily get away from, was at school.
Long bus trips with the band, in Jr. High, where the teachers said to
SIT and not get up and be quiet gave the boys opportunities they
might not otherwise have had to pressure girls to engage in petting
(what it's called now I don't know, because the terminology changes
among kids, and the snogging/UK or face sucking or getting-to-first-
base or whatever involves variable and changing terms. <g> And of
course there are the rare stories of teachers, janitors, coaches,
older kids, all-out sexually abusing students. They're rare. I
wonder if they're more rare than the internet scare stories?
I doubt it.
Sandra
> The reporter wrote back to say that she might like to talk with meThe greatest risk I've seen is that now that Holly has learned to use
> some more, but in the end she didn't and the final article was all
> negative and about the *risks* of myspace.
Photoshop, none of Kirby's friends are safe. She's made goofy
versions of them and a couple have been posted. One voluntarily by
the subject, as his main photo. One, as a comment from Kirby to the
victim. <g> She did one the other night that made Roxana Sorooshian
look like a zombie owl, but she didn't save it. (Roxana, you lucked
out!)
I think school is more dangerous than myspace, or of ANYthing on the
internet. The first picture porn and the first word porn I ever saw
came from kids at school. The first time I was physically mistreated
was at school. The first time I came in contact with boys who really
scared me, that I couldn't very easily get away from, was at school.
Long bus trips with the band, in Jr. High, where the teachers said to
SIT and not get up and be quiet gave the boys opportunities they
might not otherwise have had to pressure girls to engage in petting
(what it's called now I don't know, because the terminology changes
among kids, and the snogging/UK or face sucking or getting-to-first-
base or whatever involves variable and changing terms. <g> And of
course there are the rare stories of teachers, janitors, coaches,
older kids, all-out sexually abusing students. They're rare. I
wonder if they're more rare than the internet scare stories?
I doubt it.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/26/2006 5:12:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Sandra@... writes:
I think school is more dangerous than myspace, or of ANYthing on the
internet.
i agree with you totally. I dont know if any of you use the internet child
programs but we have net nanny on ours, it blocks out all the porn websites
when you do a search on yahoo or google which i love. I am sick of doing a
search on something and half the sites that you try to view being porn. So
this is great for adults and kids.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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Sandra@... writes:
I think school is more dangerous than myspace, or of ANYthing on the
internet.
i agree with you totally. I dont know if any of you use the internet child
programs but we have net nanny on ours, it blocks out all the porn websites
when you do a search on yahoo or google which i love. I am sick of doing a
search on something and half the sites that you try to view being porn. So
this is great for adults and kids.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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Sandra Dodd
On Mar 26, 2006, at 4:24 PM, SquishyMommy1@... wrote:
special "child program."
I don't "child program" any of my kids' lives. If they know there's
something out there that's being hidden from them, that will make it
more valuable than if nothing is locked up.
Sandra
> I dont know if any of you use the internet childYou can set "safe search" levels on google or yahoo and not need any
> programs but we have net nanny on ours, it blocks out all the porn
> websites
> when you do a search on yahoo or google which i love.
special "child program."
I don't "child program" any of my kids' lives. If they know there's
something out there that's being hidden from them, that will make it
more valuable than if nothing is locked up.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/26/2006 5:55:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Sandra@... writes:
You can set "safe search" levels on google or yahoo and not need any
special "child program."
I don't "child program" any of my kids' lives. If they know there's
something out there that's being hidden from them, that will make it
more valuable than if nothing is locked up.
i agree but i have a 2 year old who uses the computer and such so it is good
for our family right now till he is 4 or so
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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Sandra@... writes:
You can set "safe search" levels on google or yahoo and not need any
special "child program."
I don't "child program" any of my kids' lives. If they know there's
something out there that's being hidden from them, that will make it
more valuable than if nothing is locked up.
i agree but i have a 2 year old who uses the computer and such so it is good
for our family right now till he is 4 or so
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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Drew & Tami
I don't get this...
for our family right now till he is 4 or so
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months) <<<
does your 2 year old do Google Searches? And he'll stop when he's 4?
Tami, confused and under caffinated.
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>>> i agree but i have a 2 year old who uses the computer and such so itis good
for our family right now till he is 4 or so
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months) <<<
does your 2 year old do Google Searches? And he'll stop when he's 4?
Tami, confused and under caffinated.
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[email protected]
In a message dated 3/26/2006 6:12:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
atj090@... writes:
does your 2 year old do Google Searches? And he'll stop when he's 4?
Tami, confused and under caffinated.
he knows where the button is for google we have the tool bar thingy and he
will press it hit the keyboard with random letter and it comes up with sites.
He sees us do it so he does it to. I assume when he is 4 he will be able to
purposefully look for sites instead of just hitting random keys, with god
knows what will come up.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
atj090@... writes:
does your 2 year old do Google Searches? And he'll stop when he's 4?
Tami, confused and under caffinated.
he knows where the button is for google we have the tool bar thingy and he
will press it hit the keyboard with random letter and it comes up with sites.
He sees us do it so he does it to. I assume when he is 4 he will be able to
purposefully look for sites instead of just hitting random keys, with god
knows what will come up.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:13:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
game-enthusiast@... writes:
As much as I'd like to share about our cool Unschooling life, I just
worry that I'd be portrayed as a nut or put on the spot so that I couldn't
say what I had planned.
+++
I think that's exactly why Brenna found this so disappointing...she watched
and watched for the magazine article because she thought some of the cool
things she told the reporter about her unschooling life would be in print and
might make a difference in another girl's life. It actually may have but her
only quote definitely was not what she was trying to convey.
The article was such a let down and she was very hesitant to do the Fox News
interview. She thought, though, that if she had a chance to speak that she
would be heard.
She spent a lot of energy not only writing down answers to any question they
could possibly answer but having them in these sound bites that she could
spout in a second. I could see her deflating when she realized that was it. I
wish it could have been a better experience for her. She realizes why other
people don't get what she's doing and she deals with a lot of unspoken "bad
vibes" from some family and friends which she tries to ignore.
She can be herself so much easier when she is with other unschoolers. I'm
thankful for those Live and Learn Conferences, Not Back to School Camp, and
the friends she has around the country that she keeps in touch with on the
internet or through letters.
She just glows when she is with them or has things to tell me after talking
with them.
She bounced out of here tonight all dressed up going to audition for a play.
She was singing "On My Own" . I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it goes
well.
Gail
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game-enthusiast@... writes:
As much as I'd like to share about our cool Unschooling life, I just
worry that I'd be portrayed as a nut or put on the spot so that I couldn't
say what I had planned.
+++
I think that's exactly why Brenna found this so disappointing...she watched
and watched for the magazine article because she thought some of the cool
things she told the reporter about her unschooling life would be in print and
might make a difference in another girl's life. It actually may have but her
only quote definitely was not what she was trying to convey.
The article was such a let down and she was very hesitant to do the Fox News
interview. She thought, though, that if she had a chance to speak that she
would be heard.
She spent a lot of energy not only writing down answers to any question they
could possibly answer but having them in these sound bites that she could
spout in a second. I could see her deflating when she realized that was it. I
wish it could have been a better experience for her. She realizes why other
people don't get what she's doing and she deals with a lot of unspoken "bad
vibes" from some family and friends which she tries to ignore.
She can be herself so much easier when she is with other unschoolers. I'm
thankful for those Live and Learn Conferences, Not Back to School Camp, and
the friends she has around the country that she keeps in touch with on the
internet or through letters.
She just glows when she is with them or has things to tell me after talking
with them.
She bounced out of here tonight all dressed up going to audition for a play.
She was singing "On My Own" . I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it goes
well.
Gail
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Drew & Tami
Oh. well, thats that then. Never been an issue for us, but Adam (now 3)
did once call 911 by accident when chewing on the phone...
Technology is wierd.
Tami, off to get more coffee.
will press it hit the keyboard with random letter and it comes up with
sites.
He sees us do it so he does it to. I assume when he is 4 he will be able
to
purposefully look for sites instead of just hitting random keys, with god
knows what will come up.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months) <<<
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did once call 911 by accident when chewing on the phone...
Technology is wierd.
Tami, off to get more coffee.
>>> he knows where the button is for google we have the tool bar thingyand he
will press it hit the keyboard with random letter and it comes up with
sites.
He sees us do it so he does it to. I assume when he is 4 he will be able
to
purposefully look for sites instead of just hitting random keys, with god
knows what will come up.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months) <<<
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[email protected]
In a message dated 3/26/2006 6:22:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, atj090@
galaxy.ocn.ne.jp writes:
Oh. well, thats that then. Never been an issue for us, but Adam (now 3)
did once call 911 by accident when chewing on the phone...
ha ha i am waiting for that one. Doesn't that happen to every parent at
least once? LOL
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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galaxy.ocn.ne.jp writes:
Oh. well, thats that then. Never been an issue for us, but Adam (now 3)
did once call 911 by accident when chewing on the phone...
ha ha i am waiting for that one. Doesn't that happen to every parent at
least once? LOL
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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Sandra Dodd
You have a two year old who might accidentally find a porn site?
On Mar 26, 2006, at 4:57 PM, SquishyMommy1@... wrote:
>
> i agree but i have a 2 year old who uses the computer and such so
> it is good
> for our family right now till he is 4 or so
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/26/2006 6:24:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Sandra@... writes:
You have a two year old who might accidentally find a porn site?
Oh yeah. He hits the google button on our tool bar and just hits the keys
and it comes up with all sorts of sites. He was playing on Nick Jr well not
really playing just clicking the mouse and got on the google page hit the keys
i walked over form doing laundry and he was on some weird german site.
After that we got net nanny.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sandra@... writes:
You have a two year old who might accidentally find a porn site?
Oh yeah. He hits the google button on our tool bar and just hits the keys
and it comes up with all sorts of sites. He was playing on Nick Jr well not
really playing just clicking the mouse and got on the google page hit the keys
i walked over form doing laundry and he was on some weird german site.
After that we got net nanny.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sandra Dodd
On Mar 26, 2006, at 5:17 PM, SquishyMommy1@... wrote:
nothing but limit what you and your husband can find. Honestly, it's
silly.
Advice for two-year-olds isn't really very good for this list,
especially fear-based advice. You're welcome on the list, but
remember that most of the members are experienced unschoolers, not
new parents and not new unschoolers.
Sandra
> he knows where the button is for google we have the tool barPutting child-proofing on your computer when your child is two does
> thingy and he
> will press it hit the keyboard with random letter and it comes up
> with sites.
> He sees us do it so he does it to. I assume when he is 4 he will
> be able to
> purposefully look for sites instead of just hitting random keys,
> with god
> knows what will come up.
nothing but limit what you and your husband can find. Honestly, it's
silly.
Advice for two-year-olds isn't really very good for this list,
especially fear-based advice. You're welcome on the list, but
remember that most of the members are experienced unschoolers, not
new parents and not new unschoolers.
Sandra
Sandra Dodd
On Mar 26, 2006, at 5:23 PM, SquishyMommy1@... wrote:
Three kids, freedom to use phones, no one called 911. They knew
about it and I told them how important it was NOT to call it if there
was no emergency. I explained why. I explained that calling it on
purpose without an emergency could be considered a crime.
Setting 911 up to speed-dial is a mistake. It's easier to press 911
than any speed-dial combo, and then it can't accidentally be called.
The only stories I know of kids calling 911 where when the parents
told them about it without adding the cautions, or when kids were
forbidden to use the phone, and sneaked to play with it when parents
weren't there, and 911 was the only number they knew.
Children WANT information, and they LIKE to know how the world works.
Sandra
> Never been an issue for us, but Adam (now 3)No.
> did once call 911 by accident when chewing on the phone...
>
>
> ha ha i am waiting for that one. Doesn't that happen to every
> parent at
> least once? LOL
Three kids, freedom to use phones, no one called 911. They knew
about it and I told them how important it was NOT to call it if there
was no emergency. I explained why. I explained that calling it on
purpose without an emergency could be considered a crime.
Setting 911 up to speed-dial is a mistake. It's easier to press 911
than any speed-dial combo, and then it can't accidentally be called.
The only stories I know of kids calling 911 where when the parents
told them about it without adding the cautions, or when kids were
forbidden to use the phone, and sneaked to play with it when parents
weren't there, and 911 was the only number they knew.
Children WANT information, and they LIKE to know how the world works.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/26/2006 6:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Sandra@... writes:
Advice for two-year-olds isn't really very good for this list,
especially fear-based advice.
i was not giving advice to anyone. I was simply stateing something that we
use in our home and why. It also doesn't limit what me and my husband can
find it actually helps us find things better by blocking all the unessecary
sites that we would have gone through otherwise to find the site we are really
looking for.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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Sandra@... writes:
Advice for two-year-olds isn't really very good for this list,
especially fear-based advice.
i was not giving advice to anyone. I was simply stateing something that we
use in our home and why. It also doesn't limit what me and my husband can
find it actually helps us find things better by blocking all the unessecary
sites that we would have gone through otherwise to find the site we are really
looking for.
~Alyssa
Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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Sandra Dodd
On Mar 26, 2006, at 5:32 PM, SquishyMommy1@... wrote:
You're right.
It wasn't advice, but it was initiating dialog on internet safety,
right? (It's possible I'm mixing up two posts, because I really do
like to discuss the ideas and not the individual person/family
whenever possible.)
A two year old could be awash in porn sites and not know or care.
Internet safety and two year olds just don't mix, as a topic.
The internet is no danger to a two year old.
For anyone who actually is curious about kids old enough to read and
do web searches and what has actually happened at our house (and
there's a little comment there, I think), here: http://sandradodd.com/
sex
Sandra
> Advice for two-year-olds isn't really very good for this list,===================
> especially fear-based advice.
>
>
> i was not giving advice to anyone. I was simply stateing
> something that we
> use in our home and why. It also doesn't limit what me and my
> husband can
> find it actually helps us find things better by blocking all the
> unessecary
> sites that we would have gone through otherwise to find the site
> we are really
> looking for.
You're right.
It wasn't advice, but it was initiating dialog on internet safety,
right? (It's possible I'm mixing up two posts, because I really do
like to discuss the ideas and not the individual person/family
whenever possible.)
A two year old could be awash in porn sites and not know or care.
Internet safety and two year olds just don't mix, as a topic.
The internet is no danger to a two year old.
For anyone who actually is curious about kids old enough to read and
do web searches and what has actually happened at our house (and
there's a little comment there, I think), here: http://sandradodd.com/
sex
Sandra
averyschmidt
> I am sick of doing aporn. So
> search on something and half the sites that you try to view being
> this is great for adults and kids.This has me scratching my head a bit.
I use searches like google at least once a day, sometimes many times
a day, and have for years. Accidentally turning up porn sites is
rare in my experience- the last time I can remember it happening was
a good while ago when I was helping my son view various tattoos and
piercings. Even then it wasn't "half the sites."
I also have had many a toddler bang on my keyboard and not one ever
came up with porn sites that way. (For kicks I just went to google
and hit a few different random letters toddler-style, and all I got
was "did not match any documents.") I'm not saying that it isn't
theoretically possible, just that net nanny for a 2yo (or for
adults) might be overkill.
Not to mention unnecessarily limiting. I've never used anything
like net nanny, but I've heard people who have complain that they
inadvertantly block non-porn sites as well. I've also heard that
porn sites have gotten around those devices with careful and
strategic wording (those net nanny things just look for and block
sites with the most obvious porn-related words, don't they?)
Patti
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/26/2006 6:29:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
gailbrocop@... writes:
She bounced out of here tonight all dressed up going to audition for a
play.
She was singing "On My Own" . I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it goes
well.
So, Brenna called from the audition......happily screaming....I'm a
courtesan!!! She was cast in Something Funny Happened on the Way to the Forum. So
there....Fox News and Barnard College Admissions Person......My daughter is a
courtesan...<g>
Gail
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gailbrocop@... writes:
She bounced out of here tonight all dressed up going to audition for a
play.
She was singing "On My Own" . I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it goes
well.
So, Brenna called from the audition......happily screaming....I'm a
courtesan!!! She was cast in Something Funny Happened on the Way to the Forum. So
there....Fox News and Barnard College Admissions Person......My daughter is a
courtesan...<g>
Gail
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Drew & Tami
>>> Setting 911 up to speed-dial is a mistake. It's easier to press 911than any speed-dial combo, and then it can't accidentally be called. <<<
Actually, it wasn't on speed dial...he was about 10 months old and
grabbed the bedroom phone while I was in the adjacent
bathroom...occupied...IYKWIM...he was kind of gnawing on the edge of it and
I guess pressing buttons too...
I hung up the phone and picked him up to go downstairs when the phone
rang...it was a dispatcher saying they had received a call from our number
and then it disconnected. She wanted to be sure everything was alright. I
apologized profusely, and she said "no harm done"...and we moved the phone
to a higher place so he couldn't reach it.
We don't have 911 here. I think the Japanese use 119, but we are supposed
to dial in to the base system and then use a specific emergency number--
it's pretty complicated. Cassidy (5) knows how to do it now, but when we
first got here, she was only 3 and didn't know numbers too well. When
Andrew was deployed, I worried that something would happen and nobody would
know for days....
911 is a good thing, and I felt WAY bad when it seemed like we were
abusing it.
Tami, who is sure that Adam will someday find a cure for cancer by
accident-- he's that kind of kid.
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Susan McGlohn
At 07:51 PM 3/26/2006, you wrote:
our tv. The idea sounded good, being that it would filter out the curse
words, and block inappropriate shows, so the kids could watch tv without
our supervision.
Well, one day after my little ones were watching PBS kiddie shows, they
came to me and asked why p*ssy and c8ck were bad words. Apparently poor
unsuspecting Mr. Rogers had been bleeped while talking to Henrietta, and
her name had been replaced with Henrietta Kitty-Cat, and then on sesame
street some unaware rooster puppet had been blocked and replaced with
"chicken doodle doo" every time he squawked his trademark sound. That
stupid thing was actually TEACHING my children words that they would never
have learned from those shows. It quickly went into the trash as I learned
my important lesson, that nothing could take the place of my physically
being there next to my children.
Same thing happened when CyberSitter was all the rage a few years ago. DH
thought it was a great idea, and installed it on all the computers in the
house. I think that lasted about oh, 3 days. Then he uninstalled
it. Every time we tried to look up things, or send e-mails, it would
filter out words almost randomly. Not even words, but groups of letters
within words.
TV Guardians and Net Nannies and Cybersitters are not the same as a parent
sitting with their child while they use the tv and computer, interacting
with them, talking about what they see and hear. If your two year old, or
six year old, or eight year old, or whatever age you don't feel comfortable
giving them free range on the internet or the cable channels, needs/wants
to use the computer or tv, then sit with them and help them to explore in
safe ways. Then you know what they are watching, and you are there to
explain what comes up right at the moment.
Susan M (VA)
http://radicalchristianunschool.homestead.com/index.html
"Real, natural learning is in the living. It's in the observing, the
questioning, the examining, the pondering, the analyzing, the watching, the
reading, the DO-ing, the living, the breathing, the loving, the Joy. It's
in the Joy." ~Anne Ohman
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>Not to mention unnecessarily limiting. I've never used anythingLong ago, pre-unschooling days, we had something called a "tv guardian" on
>like net nanny, but I've heard people who have complain that they
>inadvertantly block non-porn sites as well. I've also heard that
>porn sites have gotten around those devices with careful and
>strategic wording (those net nanny things just look for and block
>sites with the most obvious porn-related words, don't they?)
our tv. The idea sounded good, being that it would filter out the curse
words, and block inappropriate shows, so the kids could watch tv without
our supervision.
Well, one day after my little ones were watching PBS kiddie shows, they
came to me and asked why p*ssy and c8ck were bad words. Apparently poor
unsuspecting Mr. Rogers had been bleeped while talking to Henrietta, and
her name had been replaced with Henrietta Kitty-Cat, and then on sesame
street some unaware rooster puppet had been blocked and replaced with
"chicken doodle doo" every time he squawked his trademark sound. That
stupid thing was actually TEACHING my children words that they would never
have learned from those shows. It quickly went into the trash as I learned
my important lesson, that nothing could take the place of my physically
being there next to my children.
Same thing happened when CyberSitter was all the rage a few years ago. DH
thought it was a great idea, and installed it on all the computers in the
house. I think that lasted about oh, 3 days. Then he uninstalled
it. Every time we tried to look up things, or send e-mails, it would
filter out words almost randomly. Not even words, but groups of letters
within words.
TV Guardians and Net Nannies and Cybersitters are not the same as a parent
sitting with their child while they use the tv and computer, interacting
with them, talking about what they see and hear. If your two year old, or
six year old, or eight year old, or whatever age you don't feel comfortable
giving them free range on the internet or the cable channels, needs/wants
to use the computer or tv, then sit with them and help them to explore in
safe ways. Then you know what they are watching, and you are there to
explain what comes up right at the moment.
Susan M (VA)
http://radicalchristianunschool.homestead.com/index.html
"Real, natural learning is in the living. It's in the observing, the
questioning, the examining, the pondering, the analyzing, the watching, the
reading, the DO-ing, the living, the breathing, the loving, the Joy. It's
in the Joy." ~Anne Ohman
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Angela S.
<< So
there....Fox News and Barnard College Admissions Person......My daughter is
a
courtesan...<g>>>
Congratulations to Brenna!
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
there....Fox News and Barnard College Admissions Person......My daughter is
a
courtesan...<g>>>
Congratulations to Brenna!
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
katherand2003
I use pop up blockers and that gets rid of the majority of ads that
come up when you innocently click on what *you* want only to get a
gazillion ads popped up behind or floating in front. Ds has done all
kinds of things on the computer that haven't turned up anything I'm
worried about. He's pretty good with the clicker now at 2 1/2.
Popup blockers, if you don't know, come with free Yahoo and Google
toolbars and you can get standalone popup blocker programs if you want
to spend money for them. I'm sure there are other free programs out
there too.
NetNanny and others are notorious to swamp RAM and slow your computer
way down. And like others have said, the protection they offer is
overkill.
Besides which... it's much easier to gradually open the world of
information to a child bit by bit with *you* --not a program--
protecting them from MISinformation rather than protect a child for
years and then spring that child onto the world unaware. That's what
you don't want.
Kathe
come up when you innocently click on what *you* want only to get a
gazillion ads popped up behind or floating in front. Ds has done all
kinds of things on the computer that haven't turned up anything I'm
worried about. He's pretty good with the clicker now at 2 1/2.
Popup blockers, if you don't know, come with free Yahoo and Google
toolbars and you can get standalone popup blocker programs if you want
to spend money for them. I'm sure there are other free programs out
there too.
NetNanny and others are notorious to swamp RAM and slow your computer
way down. And like others have said, the protection they offer is
overkill.
Besides which... it's much easier to gradually open the world of
information to a child bit by bit with *you* --not a program--
protecting them from MISinformation rather than protect a child for
years and then spring that child onto the world unaware. That's what
you don't want.
Kathe
--- In [email protected], SquishyMommy1@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/26/2006 5:12:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> Sandra@... writes:
>
> I think school is more dangerous than myspace, or of ANYthing on the
> internet.
>
>
> i agree with you totally. I dont know if any of you use the
internet child
> programs but we have net nanny on ours, it blocks out all the porn
websites
> when you do a search on yahoo or google which i love. I am sick of
doing a
> search on something and half the sites that you try to view being
porn. So
> this is great for adults and kids.
>
> ~Alyssa
> Slightly crunchy, unschooling Mom to Landen(2 1/2) and Gage(6 months)
>
> "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been
hurt, and
> dance like you do when nobody's watching."
>
> (http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
>
> (http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Nancy Wooton
On Mar 26, 2006, at 5:40 PM, gailbrocop@... wrote:
Nancy
;-)
> My daughter is aSEE where that "unschooling" got you???
> courtesan...<g>
Nancy
;-)
s.waynforth
Oh, what a wonderful comeback!! It could have been Sweet Charity,
though :-) .
Schuyler
gailbrocop@... wrote:
though :-) .
Schuyler
gailbrocop@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/26/2006 6:29:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> gailbrocop@... writes:
>
> She bounced out of here tonight all dressed up going to audition for a
> play.
> She was singing "On My Own" . I'm keeping my fingers crossed that
> it goes
> well.
>
>
>
> So, Brenna called from the audition......happily screaming....I'm a
> courtesan!!! She was cast in Something Funny Happened on the Way to
> the Forum. So
> there....Fox News and Barnard College Admissions Person......My
> daughter is a
> courtesan...<g>
>
> Gail
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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hmsdragonfly
> Children WANT information, and they LIKE to know how the world works.As time allows, the 911 operators here (Seattle area) will talk to
kids who make a practice 911 call.
df
Gold Standard
Yeah Brenna!
I just thought I'd throw in there that my daughter is also playing a
courtesan in Something Funny Happened on the Way to the Forum for a local
theatre group. She's 13.
Funny connections!
Jacki
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of gailbrocop@...
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Gail's experiences with FOX news
In a message dated 3/26/2006 6:29:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
gailbrocop@... writes:
She bounced out of here tonight all dressed up going to audition for a
play.
She was singing "On My Own" . I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it goes
well.
So, Brenna called from the audition......happily screaming....I'm a
courtesan!!! She was cast in Something Funny Happened on the Way to the
Forum. So
there....Fox News and Barnard College Admissions Person......My daughter is
a
courtesan...<g>
Gail
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yahoo! Groups Links
I just thought I'd throw in there that my daughter is also playing a
courtesan in Something Funny Happened on the Way to the Forum for a local
theatre group. She's 13.
Funny connections!
Jacki
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of gailbrocop@...
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Gail's experiences with FOX news
In a message dated 3/26/2006 6:29:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
gailbrocop@... writes:
She bounced out of here tonight all dressed up going to audition for a
play.
She was singing "On My Own" . I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it goes
well.
So, Brenna called from the audition......happily screaming....I'm a
courtesan!!! She was cast in Something Funny Happened on the Way to the
Forum. So
there....Fox News and Barnard College Admissions Person......My daughter is
a
courtesan...<g>
Gail
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yahoo! Groups Links
Pamela Sorooshian
On Mar 26, 2006, at 3:24 PM, SquishyMommy1@... wrote:
spending MANY hours every day online, that I've ever one single time
come across a porn website in my searches.
I've occasionally had porn spam email - but even THAT stopped a long
time ago and I assume that's my internet provider's spam protection
working.
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
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> I am sick of doing aI'm searching the wrong stuff, I guess. I don't think, in 12 years of
> search on something and half the sites that you try to view being
> porn. So
> this is great for adults and kids.
spending MANY hours every day online, that I've ever one single time
come across a porn website in my searches.
I've occasionally had porn spam email - but even THAT stopped a long
time ago and I assume that's my internet provider's spam protection
working.
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
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Pamela Sorooshian
Google's default is to filter out explicit images and not to filter
out explicit text.
To change that, you open Google and click on preferences. You can
reset it to not filter at all or to filter text and images, both.
So - I thought I'd do a little quick comparison - just count news
stories about school-related abuse, violence, etc., versus internet-
related dangers.
But I'm not really sure what "internet dangers" people are talking
about.
-pam
out explicit text.
To change that, you open Google and click on preferences. You can
reset it to not filter at all or to filter text and images, both.
So - I thought I'd do a little quick comparison - just count news
stories about school-related abuse, violence, etc., versus internet-
related dangers.
But I'm not really sure what "internet dangers" people are talking
about.
-pam
On Mar 26, 2006, at 4:51 PM, averyschmidt wrote:
>
> I also have had many a toddler bang on my keyboard and not one ever
> came up with porn sites that way. (For kicks I just went to google
> and hit a few different random letters toddler-style, and all I got
> was "did not match any documents.") I'm not saying that it isn't
> theoretically possible, just that net nanny for a 2yo (or for
> adults) might be overkill.
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
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