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In a message dated 10/9/2003 4:02:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> -=-Why are there other lists? Rather, for
> what reasons did other lists need/want/havetobe formed? Anyone care to
catch
>
> me up, or is it just too much to get into? -=-

People bitched about me?

That's part of it.

And that's why bitches like me and DebL still stick it out on a few other
lists. I finally gave up on Unschooling-101 (I think Joyce is still there.). Deb
and I are putting up a solid front on -Days, -Creatively and---what's the
other one? Or did I refuse go get on that one? <g>

There are times when I (and I imagine Deb) REALLY wish some of you
hard-liners were with us there. Deb and I stay---otherwise the lists dissolve into the
handholding wishy-washy watered down unschooling (barely) lists that we hate.

I was really upset about the additional lists----and I'm afraid that, if we
AREN'T there to share our thoughts, the lists will develop into exactly that.
Wimpier voices start handing out advice and unschooling becomes thinner and
thinner and barely recognizable.

Of course, I was also especially ticked that I lost the name,
"unschoolingdotcomedy", but I will deal with that the best I can! <g>







>>>>>-=-And how exactly can a person be an
unschooling dogmatist? This isn't a religion, or do I really not know what
the
word means?-=-

When a more radical unschooler tells someone who doesn't want to really
unschool that something or other isn't going to produce unschooling results,
then
the less radical unschooler might upon occasion say to the more radical
unschooler something like
You think you own unschooling
or
Not everyone has to unschool the way you do
or
There are as many ways to unschool as there are unschoolers
or
Who died and made you god?

or something suggesting that the person who honestly only really wanted to
help them be courageous and free is somehow trying to limit their unschooling
to
just radical, actual, workable unschooling.

Sandra,
slanted but strong<<<<




We actually had a thread CALLED "Unschoolier than Thou"---really!

On one of them now we're dicussing rules. Y'all----Go LOOK! It's AMAZING what
they're trying to convince us of! ANd the REASONS!

Anyway--------------what Sandra said.

~Kelly


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catherine aceto

So what are the "hard-liner" lists, so to speak, in your opinion -- if you don't mind saying? I'm in the middle of trying out multiple lists, and while I certainly don't view myself as an "expert" on anyting, the wish-washy handholding drives me nuts, and I would like to avoid it where possible.

-Cat



There are times when I (and I imagine Deb) REALLY wish some of you
hard-liners were with us there. Deb and I stay---otherwise the lists dissolve into the
handholding wishy-washy watered down unschooling (barely) lists that we hate.




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Jill Parmer

Kelly writes:
>And that's why bitches like me and DebL still stick it out on a few other
>lists. I finally gave up on Unschooling-101 (I think Joyce is still there.). Deb
>and I are putting up a solid front on -Days, -Creatively and---what's the
>other one? Or did I refuse go get on that one? <g>

Thank you thank you thank you. That is not enough for the work you put in, but I am learning from you all!!

I was interested in what others' unschooling days looked like and for some creative unschooling ideas. I wonder if it will get to that??


There are times when I (and I imagine Deb) REALLY wish some of you
hard-liners were with us there. Deb and I stay---otherwise the lists dissolve into the
handholding wishy-washy watered down unschooling (barely) lists that we hate.

Thanks for being in the trenches for me ( and others) immersing ourselves in real unschooling. I just don't think I have enough unschooling under my belt to help you all, yet. And really I just don't have the eloquent and succinct words you both (and others) have, yet.

tusen tak (a million thanks)
Jill



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From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] good description/what have I missed?


In a message dated 10/9/2003 4:02:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> -=-Why are there other lists? Rather, for
> what reasons did other lists need/want/havetobe formed? Anyone care to
catch
>
> me up, or is it just too much to get into? -=-

People bitched about me?

That's part of it.

And that's why bitches like me and DebL still stick it out on a few other
lists. I finally gave up on Unschooling-101 (I think Joyce is still there.). Deb
and I are putting up a solid front on -Days, -Creatively and---what's the
other one? Or did I refuse go get on that one? <g>

There are times when I (and I imagine Deb) REALLY wish some of you
hard-liners were with us there. Deb and I stay---otherwise the lists dissolve into the
handholding wishy-washy watered down unschooling (barely) lists that we hate.

I was really upset about the additional lists----and I'm afraid that, if we
AREN'T there to share our thoughts, the lists will develop into exactly that.
Wimpier voices start handing out advice and unschooling becomes thinner and
thinner and barely recognizable.

Of course, I was also especially ticked that I lost the name,
"unschoolingdotcomedy", but I will deal with that the best I can! <g>







>>>>>-=-And how exactly can a person be an
unschooling dogmatist? This isn't a religion, or do I really not know what
the
word means?-=-

When a more radical unschooler tells someone who doesn't want to really
unschool that something or other isn't going to produce unschooling results,
then
the less radical unschooler might upon occasion say to the more radical
unschooler something like
You think you own unschooling
or
Not everyone has to unschool the way you do
or
There are as many ways to unschool as there are unschoolers
or
Who died and made you god?

or something suggesting that the person who honestly only really wanted to
help them be courageous and free is somehow trying to limit their unschooling
to
just radical, actual, workable unschooling.

Sandra,
slanted but strong<<<<




We actually had a thread CALLED "Unschoolier than Thou"---really!

On one of them now we're dicussing rules. Y'all----Go LOOK! It's AMAZING what
they're trying to convince us of! ANd the REASONS!

Anyway--------------what Sandra said.

~Kelly


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In a message dated 10/10/03 7:02:09 AM, jparmer@... writes:

<< I was interested in what others' unschooling days looked like and for some
creative unschooling ideas. I wonder if it will get to that?? >>

Some good days are collected here:

http://sandradodd.com/typical

Creative unschooling ideas are easier to come by yourself after you see what
other families are doing, so I think that page would help.

Also here:

http://sandradodd.com/articles

Go especially to
Disposable Dhecklists
Deschooling
Your House as a Museum
Leaning on a Truck

www.unschooling.com message boards has lots of idea-discussions.

Sandra