Bumper stickers I saw today
Janet Hamlin
I saw these bumper stickers on the same car today. Were one of you ladies
in my neighborhood??? LOL.
Don't Believe Everything You Think
and
Children Are People, Too!
Janet
in my neighborhood??? LOL.
Don't Believe Everything You Think
and
Children Are People, Too!
Janet
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In a message dated 9/4/02 6:08:39 PM, jefhdvm@... writes:
<< Don't Believe Everything You Think >>
Oh that's good!
I have a little one that says "Listen to Children" is all.
Yesterday we were following a van with the whole back end totally plastered,
up to the roof. One said "If Mary had been pro-choice, there would be no
Christmas."
So Holly wanted to know what all that was about.
But here are my thoughts for THIS group:
I'm pro-choice and we have Christmas at my house. <g> (facetious smart-ass
answer)
I'm pro-choice and I have three children *by choice.* I have been pregnant
three times and I have three children. AND I'm pro-choice. HOW CAN THAT
BE!? (I used birth control, and I lucked out.)
And with me, at least I knew for sure who the father was. Mary gets told by
her cousin and/or some angel that the same guy who helped her cousin get
pregnant has directly knocked HER up, when she was asleep or something, and
to tell her boyfriend/fiancee/husband/Joseph that really, it was okay.
PERHAPS, under such circumstances (MY cousin and some angel) I might consider
an abortion.
But under my own circumstances, I was happy to proceed.
But all I told Holly was just because someone is "pro choice" (after I
explained to her what it meant) didn't mean they had an abortion everytime
they got pregnant.
Maybe someone should tell the Knights of Columbus that.
It was more sex education than I had planned for the afternoon. I wonder
if the driver of that van has considered THAT. With the bumper stickers so
many and so high, even kids riding in the car can see them.
Sandra
<< Don't Believe Everything You Think >>
Oh that's good!
I have a little one that says "Listen to Children" is all.
Yesterday we were following a van with the whole back end totally plastered,
up to the roof. One said "If Mary had been pro-choice, there would be no
Christmas."
So Holly wanted to know what all that was about.
But here are my thoughts for THIS group:
I'm pro-choice and we have Christmas at my house. <g> (facetious smart-ass
answer)
I'm pro-choice and I have three children *by choice.* I have been pregnant
three times and I have three children. AND I'm pro-choice. HOW CAN THAT
BE!? (I used birth control, and I lucked out.)
And with me, at least I knew for sure who the father was. Mary gets told by
her cousin and/or some angel that the same guy who helped her cousin get
pregnant has directly knocked HER up, when she was asleep or something, and
to tell her boyfriend/fiancee/husband/Joseph that really, it was okay.
PERHAPS, under such circumstances (MY cousin and some angel) I might consider
an abortion.
But under my own circumstances, I was happy to proceed.
But all I told Holly was just because someone is "pro choice" (after I
explained to her what it meant) didn't mean they had an abortion everytime
they got pregnant.
Maybe someone should tell the Knights of Columbus that.
It was more sex education than I had planned for the afternoon. I wonder
if the driver of that van has considered THAT. With the bumper stickers so
many and so high, even kids riding in the car can see them.
Sandra
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> I'm pro-choice and we have Christmas at my house. <g> (facetiousI'm pro choice AND atheist and we have Christmas at my house. Confounded
> smart-ass
> answer)
unschoolers.
Deb L
Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
>Yesterday we were following a van with the whole back end totally plastered,I've always wondered if Mary's 'immaculate conception' was a consensual
>up to the roof. One said "If Mary had been pro-choice, there would be no
>Christmas."
thing or not?
(and no, I don't want to get anyone's knickers in a twist over it. I've
just found it to be something interesting to wonder about.)
For folks who might be interested in the history and transmutations of god
imagery, Merlin Stone' book, "When God was a Woman' is interesting
reading. Come to think of it, it's been years since I read it. I think
I'll dig it back out of the bookshelves again.
Heidi
mary krzyzanowski
I'll never forget when my dd asked how the baby got inside me. I was
driving, at night, stormy weather and in construction. That conversation
had to wait until we got home.
Mary-NY
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driving, at night, stormy weather and in construction. That conversation
had to wait until we got home.
Mary-NY
>From: KathrynJB@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Bumper stickers I saw today
>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:06:08 EDT
>
>In a message dated 9/5/2002 1:33:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
>
> > It was more sex education than I had planned for the afternoon. I
>wonder
> > if the driver of that van has considered THAT. With the bumper stickers
>so
> >
> > many and so high, even kids riding in the car can see them.
> >
> >
>
>My experience is that sex education is best done in the car. Julian and I
>have had incredible conversations in the car about this. (I still remember
>when he announced why kissing always looked so weird in movies.
>"Mama...they
>use their TONGUES!")
>
>The big advantage, of course, is that when the parent is driving, eye
>contact
>is impossible. You can have all kinds of potentially embarassing
>conversations without having to look at one another.
>
>Kathryn
>
>
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>
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mary krzyzanowski
Hi,
I just wanted to mention that the "Immaculate Conception" mean the belief
that Mary was conceived without original sin. The annunciation refers to
the angel Gabriel appearing to Mary and announcing that she would be having
Jesus.
Mary-NY
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I just wanted to mention that the "Immaculate Conception" mean the belief
that Mary was conceived without original sin. The annunciation refers to
the angel Gabriel appearing to Mary and announcing that she would be having
Jesus.
Mary-NY
>From: Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema <heidi@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Bumper stickers I saw today
>Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:14:53 -0700
>
>
> >Yesterday we were following a van with the whole back end totally
>plastered,
> >up to the roof. One said "If Mary had been pro-choice, there would be no
> >Christmas."
>
>I've always wondered if Mary's 'immaculate conception' was a consensual
>thing or not?
>(and no, I don't want to get anyone's knickers in a twist over it. I've
>just found it to be something interesting to wonder about.)
>
>For folks who might be interested in the history and transmutations of god
>imagery, Merlin Stone' book, "When God was a Woman' is interesting
>reading. Come to think of it, it's been years since I read it. I think
>I'll dig it back out of the bookshelves again.
>Heidi
>
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In a message dated 9/5/02 5:03:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
meembeam@... writes:
somewhere. (?) Kids! <g> So the other day Darin and I were discussing a
friend who is about to have a baby and Jack pops up from the back-seat and
says "How did they find their baby? Was the baby in the ditch like me?" So
after sorting out his confusion I explained that the baby is in our friends
womb. Jack wanted to know how that baby got in her tummy! So Darin told the
standard *When a mommy and daddy love each other, they might decide to make a
baby. So they hug and kiss and love each other and a baby grows in the mommys
womb.* Jack wanted more! Because, as he said, "You guys hug and kiss and love
each other all the time and you only have Moly and me!" Jack isn't too sure
about all that penis and vagina and sperm and egg stuff right now. He told
his dad at the store last night, he would rather just find a kid in a ditch. <
g>
~Nancy
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meembeam@... writes:
> I'll never forget when my dd asked how the baby got inside me. I wasJack has (apparently for some time now) had the idea that we just found him
> driving, at night, stormy weather and in construction. That conversation
> had to wait until we got home.
> Mary-NY
>
somewhere. (?) Kids! <g> So the other day Darin and I were discussing a
friend who is about to have a baby and Jack pops up from the back-seat and
says "How did they find their baby? Was the baby in the ditch like me?" So
after sorting out his confusion I explained that the baby is in our friends
womb. Jack wanted to know how that baby got in her tummy! So Darin told the
standard *When a mommy and daddy love each other, they might decide to make a
baby. So they hug and kiss and love each other and a baby grows in the mommys
womb.* Jack wanted more! Because, as he said, "You guys hug and kiss and love
each other all the time and you only have Moly and me!" Jack isn't too sure
about all that penis and vagina and sperm and egg stuff right now. He told
his dad at the store last night, he would rather just find a kid in a ditch. <
g>
~Nancy
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Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
So if IC is Jesus being conceived without sin (or is it Mary getting
pregnant without sin?) and the annunciation is her getting the news, what
is the conception itself called?
Can you tell it's been years since Sunday School?! (grin)
Heidi
At 05:22 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
pregnant without sin?) and the annunciation is her getting the news, what
is the conception itself called?
Can you tell it's been years since Sunday School?! (grin)
Heidi
At 05:22 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I just wanted to mention that the "Immaculate Conception" mean the belief
>that Mary was conceived without original sin. The annunciation refers to
>the angel Gabriel appearing to Mary and announcing that she would be having
>Jesus.
>Mary-NY
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In a message dated 9/5/02 11:24:37 PM Central Daylight Time, heidi@...
writes:
from her mother Ann. The idea is that Mary was conceived without sin.
Therefore Mary was free from the original sin all man is supposedly born
with. Therefore she was the only true and right choice to be the mother of
the son of god. It is a Catholic belief, along with the belief that Mary was
and ever shall be a virgin, (no sex before or after Christ's birth, no other
children...) that not too many other Christian religious beliefs hold.
~Nancy
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writes:
> So if IC is Jesus being conceived without sin (or is it Mary gettingIts neither. The immaculate conception refers to Mary's birth, not Christ's,
> pregnant without sin?) and the annunciation is her getting the news, what
> is the conception itself called?
> Can you tell it's been years since Sunday School?! (grin)
> Heidi
from her mother Ann. The idea is that Mary was conceived without sin.
Therefore Mary was free from the original sin all man is supposedly born
with. Therefore she was the only true and right choice to be the mother of
the son of god. It is a Catholic belief, along with the belief that Mary was
and ever shall be a virgin, (no sex before or after Christ's birth, no other
children...) that not too many other Christian religious beliefs hold.
~Nancy
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Shyrley
On 6 Sep 02, at 12:10, Dnowens@... wrote:
Therefore Mary was free from the original sin all man is
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> In a message dated 9/5/02 11:24:37 PM Central Daylight Time,Really? Where can I find that in the bibble?
> heidi@... writes:
>
>
> > So if IC is Jesus being conceived without sin (or is it Mary getting
> > pregnant without sin?) and the annunciation is her getting the news,
> > what is the conception itself called? Can you tell it's been years
> > since Sunday School?! (grin) Heidi
>
> Its neither. The immaculate conception refers to Mary's birth, not
> Christ's, from her mother Ann. The idea is that Mary was conceived
> without sin.
Therefore Mary was free from the original sin all man is
> supposedly born with. Therefore she was the only true and right choicePoor woman. Didn't she have a bunch of other kids though?
> to be the mother of the son of god. It is a Catholic belief, along
> with the belief that Mary was and ever shall be a virgin, (no sex
> before or after Christ's birth, no other children...) that not too
> many other Christian religious beliefs hold.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
Shyrley
On 6 Sep 02, at 12:10, Dnowens@... wrote:
Therefore Mary was free from the original sin all man is
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> In a message dated 9/5/02 11:24:37 PM Central Daylight Time,Really? Where can I find that in the bibble?
> heidi@... writes:
>
>
> > So if IC is Jesus being conceived without sin (or is it Mary getting
> > pregnant without sin?) and the annunciation is her getting the news,
> > what is the conception itself called? Can you tell it's been years
> > since Sunday School?! (grin) Heidi
>
> Its neither. The immaculate conception refers to Mary's birth, not
> Christ's, from her mother Ann. The idea is that Mary was conceived
> without sin.
Therefore Mary was free from the original sin all man is
> supposedly born with. Therefore she was the only true and right choicePoor woman. Didn't she have a bunch of other kids though?
> to be the mother of the son of god. It is a Catholic belief, along
> with the belief that Mary was and ever shall be a virgin, (no sex
> before or after Christ's birth, no other children...) that not too
> many other Christian religious beliefs hold.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
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In a message dated 9/6/02 3:57:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:
and someone of another denomination) whether or not Mary had other children.
The Catholics say No she didn't. They believe in the immaculate conception of
Mary and of the assumption into heaven of Mary. (i.e., since she was born
without sin, lived without sin and died without sin, she got to go straight
on up!) It is one of those Mysteries that you are just supposed to believe. <g
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shyrley.williams@... writes:
> Really? Where can I find that in the bibble?You can't <g>
>It is a common argument/debate (?) amongst some people (usually a Catholic
> Therefore Mary was free from the original sin all man is
> > supposedly born with. Therefore she was the only true and right choice
> > to be the mother of the son of god. It is a Catholic belief, along
> > with the belief that Mary was and ever shall be a virgin, (no sex
> > before or after Christ's birth, no other children...) that not too
> > many other Christian religious beliefs hold.
>
> Poor woman. Didn't she have a bunch of other kids though?
>
> Shyrley
and someone of another denomination) whether or not Mary had other children.
The Catholics say No she didn't. They believe in the immaculate conception of
Mary and of the assumption into heaven of Mary. (i.e., since she was born
without sin, lived without sin and died without sin, she got to go straight
on up!) It is one of those Mysteries that you are just supposed to believe. <g
>~Nancy
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meghanfire
--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., "Janet Hamlin" <jefhdvm@w...>
wrote:
Mine are:
1) My job is to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable
2) Freedom of religion means ANY religion
3) Diversity without division
4) A man of quality is not threatened by a woman seeking
equality
5) The world is my classroom (HSC)
6) School is not compulsory (Education Otherwise - a UK
homeschooling organisation)
I had one that said, Respect the children, but it fell off and I
haven't seen another one yet.
I live in an area where alternative 'voices' need to be heard and
so I take it upon myself to be one of those 'voices' <g>.
Meghan
wrote:
> I saw these bumper stickers on the same car today. Were oneof you ladies
> in my neighborhood??? LOL.I've got quite a few bumper stickers, but not those.
>
> Don't Believe Everything You Think
>
> and
>
> Children Are People, Too!
>
> Janet
Mine are:
1) My job is to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable
2) Freedom of religion means ANY religion
3) Diversity without division
4) A man of quality is not threatened by a woman seeking
equality
5) The world is my classroom (HSC)
6) School is not compulsory (Education Otherwise - a UK
homeschooling organisation)
I had one that said, Respect the children, but it fell off and I
haven't seen another one yet.
I live in an area where alternative 'voices' need to be heard and
so I take it upon myself to be one of those 'voices' <g>.
Meghan
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My sister and brother-in-law divorced lately and have been having big fights
lately. Both of them called me to "process" and since I had both sides I was
a good advisor, BUT I was REALLY glad to have had the first bumper-sticker of
this series because I got to tell both of them, "Y'know, just this week
someone posted something really important: 'Don't believe everything you
think.' "
It helped!!
Sandra
lately. Both of them called me to "process" and since I had both sides I was
a good advisor, BUT I was REALLY glad to have had the first bumper-sticker of
this series because I got to tell both of them, "Y'know, just this week
someone posted something really important: 'Don't believe everything you
think.' "
It helped!!
Sandra
[email protected]
<<It is a Catholic belief, along with the belief that Mary was
and ever shall be a virgin, (no sex before or after Christ's birth, no other
children...) that not too many other Christian religious beliefs hold.
~Nancy>>
Nor one that Judaism holds either. To not have lots of children in to go
against God.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
and ever shall be a virgin, (no sex before or after Christ's birth, no other
children...) that not too many other Christian religious beliefs hold.
~Nancy>>
Nor one that Judaism holds either. To not have lots of children in to go
against God.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160