Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 495
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In a message dated 8/25/2002 9:31:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
want to do, sometimes we even LIKE someone else to organize our material for
us - for learning something WE want to learn. I figured out how to make
candles of all kinds, on my own and by reading books and asking friends and
experimenting. But I signed up for a ceramics class and learned about it from
someone I really respected and trusted and who organized the steps and gave
me assignments to help me learn.
I'm thinking about the scene in Karate Kid where his future sensei notices
the kid trying to learn Karate on his own, from a book. How much better for
the kid to have a brilliant teacher to figure out what he needed to do to
learn what he wanted to learn.
Same thing for some of the things my kids want to learn (more so as they get
older)...sometimes they just want to investigate and talk and fool around and
pick up knowledge and information and skills as they happen, serendipitously
-- but sometimes they want to learn from someone who gets the material
organized for them in advance and gives it to them in a useful way.
Picking it up as it occurs in daily life is the BEST way to learn algebraic
concepts, but not the best way to learn all the rules and manipulations,
etc., that are algebraic methods. That's easier to learn (once the basic
concepts are internalized) by using material organized in a systematic way
that works for the individual - might mean using manipulatives, might be in a
story form, might be learned through "investigations," etc. Just like it is
NICE to have access to good materials that are well-organized,
well-thought-out, well-written, etc., it is also a great blessing to have
people in our lives like that, too.
I know "not-unschooling" when I see it <G> - it is not a parent or teacher
deciding what a kid should learn, when they should learn it, how they should
learn it, and IF they've learned it (through testing or evaluating). But our
unschooling lives change and grow and what seemed obvious when my kids were
little is definitely not so obvious now. The lines seem harder to draw.
--pam
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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[email protected] writes:
> I had it all worked out how "someone needs to *make* me" was a conditionAnd worse. Not only do many of us need to be nudged to do things we REALLY
> of only people who had been herded through the public school system, and
> not at all of free and inspired young unschoolers. Dang.
want to do, sometimes we even LIKE someone else to organize our material for
us - for learning something WE want to learn. I figured out how to make
candles of all kinds, on my own and by reading books and asking friends and
experimenting. But I signed up for a ceramics class and learned about it from
someone I really respected and trusted and who organized the steps and gave
me assignments to help me learn.
I'm thinking about the scene in Karate Kid where his future sensei notices
the kid trying to learn Karate on his own, from a book. How much better for
the kid to have a brilliant teacher to figure out what he needed to do to
learn what he wanted to learn.
Same thing for some of the things my kids want to learn (more so as they get
older)...sometimes they just want to investigate and talk and fool around and
pick up knowledge and information and skills as they happen, serendipitously
-- but sometimes they want to learn from someone who gets the material
organized for them in advance and gives it to them in a useful way.
Picking it up as it occurs in daily life is the BEST way to learn algebraic
concepts, but not the best way to learn all the rules and manipulations,
etc., that are algebraic methods. That's easier to learn (once the basic
concepts are internalized) by using material organized in a systematic way
that works for the individual - might mean using manipulatives, might be in a
story form, might be learned through "investigations," etc. Just like it is
NICE to have access to good materials that are well-organized,
well-thought-out, well-written, etc., it is also a great blessing to have
people in our lives like that, too.
I know "not-unschooling" when I see it <G> - it is not a parent or teacher
deciding what a kid should learn, when they should learn it, how they should
learn it, and IF they've learned it (through testing or evaluating). But our
unschooling lives change and grow and what seemed obvious when my kids were
little is definitely not so obvious now. The lines seem harder to draw.
--pam
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/25/2002 9:31:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
might SAY that --- "Mom - please make me practice my piano everyday!!" I'd
take it like how the other Pam described waking Britt up in the morning ---
more as give me a strong nudge and make sure I'm really paying attention and
that if I refuse that I really mean it. If a kid asked me, "Please make
me....." -- I'd take it as them asking me to REALLY help them make it happen.
Clearly it is something they want.
--pam
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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[email protected] writes:
> I would help anyone who asked for a reminder, sure. I ask for thoseI wouldn't "make them" either - in the strongest sense of the words. But they
> too. But the words that were used... "make her"... didn't sound like the
> nice reminders we all give each other, it sounded like something else.
> I don't make anyone do anything around here, except maybe myself.<g> I
> wouldn't make my husband take out the trash and I wouldn't make my son
> practice piano.
might SAY that --- "Mom - please make me practice my piano everyday!!" I'd
take it like how the other Pam described waking Britt up in the morning ---
more as give me a strong nudge and make sure I'm really paying attention and
that if I refuse that I really mean it. If a kid asked me, "Please make
me....." -- I'd take it as them asking me to REALLY help them make it happen.
Clearly it is something they want.
--pam
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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Sharon Rudd
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lines around it. More like ripples. Wave theory.
Sharon of the Swamp
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> unschooling lives change and grow and what seemedThat is the beauty of unschooling....there are no
> obvious when my kids were
> little is definitely not so obvious now. The lines
> seem harder to draw.
lines around it. More like ripples. Wave theory.
Sharon of the Swamp
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