SCA
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In a message dated 8/19/02 7:20:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< We are going to the conference! I was under the impression that they
couldn't
do combat stuff until they were older. >>
There is a youth combat program, specifically to train the younger ones. Our
program here starts at seven years of age.....which really ticked Sierra off
(she's five and hankerin for battle!)
I guess it probably depends on your area and how interested a person is in
training the younger ones. We have a Baron that really loves the youth combat
and trains them as though their lives depend on it. They get tired sometimes
and he just doesn't understand. SCA is his whole life though.
Check into it, you may have youth combat too.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< We are going to the conference! I was under the impression that they
couldn't
do combat stuff until they were older. >>
There is a youth combat program, specifically to train the younger ones. Our
program here starts at seven years of age.....which really ticked Sierra off
(she's five and hankerin for battle!)
I guess it probably depends on your area and how interested a person is in
training the younger ones. We have a Baron that really loves the youth combat
and trains them as though their lives depend on it. They get tired sometimes
and he just doesn't understand. SCA is his whole life though.
Check into it, you may have youth combat too.
Ren
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/02 8:31:40 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< << We are going to the conference! I was under the impression that they
couldn't
do combat stuff until they were older. >> >>
Some rules differ from kingdom to kingdom.
I think the following is correct:
Society wide rules are fencing is okay at 14 (after authorization, and not in
certain war scenarios inter-kingdom).
For heavy weapons, the legal age is 16. A fourteen year old can be trained
without getting his trainer in trouble but the training shouldn't be at
official events. At 16, with authorization, one can enter tournaments but
NOT coronet or crown. Not because the fighting will be more intense (though
it will), but because they're not considered mature enough for the
responsibility of being royalty.
These rules weren't always in effect, but I was being a corporate-level
this'r'that when some of them came about so I remember.
One of my protégés is now earl marshal here, so I can double check with him
if any of you really want the up to the moment info.
Come to think of it, my husband is deputy earl marshal and I could ask him
too. <g>
I argued for earlier ages, but it was a compromise with some adamant folk
from Meridies who would have wanted people to wait until they were 18 or 21
to do heavy combat.
At the time of those discussions, rapier combat wasn't really an issue, and
it's still not wholly accepted in every kingdom.
AElflaed (I would sign "Sandra" but once I go that deep into SCA stuff I
just must be AElflaed)
<< << We are going to the conference! I was under the impression that they
couldn't
do combat stuff until they were older. >> >>
Some rules differ from kingdom to kingdom.
I think the following is correct:
Society wide rules are fencing is okay at 14 (after authorization, and not in
certain war scenarios inter-kingdom).
For heavy weapons, the legal age is 16. A fourteen year old can be trained
without getting his trainer in trouble but the training shouldn't be at
official events. At 16, with authorization, one can enter tournaments but
NOT coronet or crown. Not because the fighting will be more intense (though
it will), but because they're not considered mature enough for the
responsibility of being royalty.
These rules weren't always in effect, but I was being a corporate-level
this'r'that when some of them came about so I remember.
One of my protégés is now earl marshal here, so I can double check with him
if any of you really want the up to the moment info.
Come to think of it, my husband is deputy earl marshal and I could ask him
too. <g>
I argued for earlier ages, but it was a compromise with some adamant folk
from Meridies who would have wanted people to wait until they were 18 or 21
to do heavy combat.
At the time of those discussions, rapier combat wasn't really an issue, and
it's still not wholly accepted in every kingdom.
AElflaed (I would sign "Sandra" but once I go that deep into SCA stuff I
just must be AElflaed)
Shyrley
I've been reading about SCA but was unsure about how to join and
what would be required of us. I found all the detailsfor local
contacts but didn't know if I should just send them an email. It also
didn't say if we would be required to wear costumes at the
meetings (I can't sew and I can't afford to buy anything)
Is it fun? Reading the Virginia homepage made me wonder if these
people don't take it so seriously that there isn't any room for fun. I
was in Sealed Knot in the UK (British civil War re-enactment -
1600's) and it was great fun. The main requirements seemed to be
the ability to have a laugh and drink copious amounts of beer :-)
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
what would be required of us. I found all the detailsfor local
contacts but didn't know if I should just send them an email. It also
didn't say if we would be required to wear costumes at the
meetings (I can't sew and I can't afford to buy anything)
Is it fun? Reading the Virginia homepage made me wonder if these
people don't take it so seriously that there isn't any room for fun. I
was in Sealed Knot in the UK (British civil War re-enactment -
1600's) and it was great fun. The main requirements seemed to be
the ability to have a laugh and drink copious amounts of beer :-)
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/02 10:16:08 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:
<< It also
didn't say if we would be required to wear costumes at the
meetings (I can't sew and I can't afford to buy anything) >>
All events are participation only.
It would be a good excuse to learn to sew!!
<<Is it fun? >>
Can be. Depends what you think is fun AND it depends on what the local
group is like. Some are super kid-friendly, others not so much. Some have
lots of music, some don't. Some have people who drink a lot, some have none.
Just a motley assortment of factors color the realities of each local group
and subgroup.
But it's expensive for those who can't sew or make or find most of their own
stuff, because you are expected to have costumes and feast gear and if you
camp it needs to try to be more period than not. We have a brown nylon dome
tent which comes up from time to time, but also canvas tents for the main
part of camp. We have metal folding chairs sometimes, but for big events we
have wooden benches. Different people have different degrees of authenticity
and it's a constant and gradual improvement for most people, but the base
requirements do cost a bit of money.
Membership is $35 and $10 extra for each family member?? (or maybe I'm
wrong, and I'm too lazy right now to do anything but read my four days worth
of e-mail, but whatever it is that's where you get the newsletter that tells
where what's happening).
Shyrley, if you were in another part of the country I would try to hook you
up with locals, but you're in Virginia. I have SCA friends in Maryland, but
here is the reality: You are in a part of the U.S. where people are *not* as
friendly and as welcoming as people are in other parts of the country. And
you're in a part where SCA standards are really pretty high. There are other
places where I could hook you up with someone who might lend you things and
help you out, but I've tried getting even established SCA members with rank
and station hooked up with my Maryland contacts and it's a dud. Hard to
explain, and it's not just the SCA (and not just MY friends <g>), it's a
regional phenomenon.
Sandra
<< It also
didn't say if we would be required to wear costumes at the
meetings (I can't sew and I can't afford to buy anything) >>
All events are participation only.
It would be a good excuse to learn to sew!!
<<Is it fun? >>
Can be. Depends what you think is fun AND it depends on what the local
group is like. Some are super kid-friendly, others not so much. Some have
lots of music, some don't. Some have people who drink a lot, some have none.
Just a motley assortment of factors color the realities of each local group
and subgroup.
But it's expensive for those who can't sew or make or find most of their own
stuff, because you are expected to have costumes and feast gear and if you
camp it needs to try to be more period than not. We have a brown nylon dome
tent which comes up from time to time, but also canvas tents for the main
part of camp. We have metal folding chairs sometimes, but for big events we
have wooden benches. Different people have different degrees of authenticity
and it's a constant and gradual improvement for most people, but the base
requirements do cost a bit of money.
Membership is $35 and $10 extra for each family member?? (or maybe I'm
wrong, and I'm too lazy right now to do anything but read my four days worth
of e-mail, but whatever it is that's where you get the newsletter that tells
where what's happening).
Shyrley, if you were in another part of the country I would try to hook you
up with locals, but you're in Virginia. I have SCA friends in Maryland, but
here is the reality: You are in a part of the U.S. where people are *not* as
friendly and as welcoming as people are in other parts of the country. And
you're in a part where SCA standards are really pretty high. There are other
places where I could hook you up with someone who might lend you things and
help you out, but I've tried getting even established SCA members with rank
and station hooked up with my Maryland contacts and it's a dud. Hard to
explain, and it's not just the SCA (and not just MY friends <g>), it's a
regional phenomenon.
Sandra
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The main requirements seemed to be
the ability to have a laugh and drink copious amounts of beer :-)
Shyrley
That's more what I am looking for. The Fun, that is. (But a good homemade
wine is part of it)
~Elissa Cleaveland
Radical Unschoolers Unite!
the ability to have a laugh and drink copious amounts of beer :-)
Shyrley
That's more what I am looking for. The Fun, that is. (But a good homemade
wine is part of it)
~Elissa Cleaveland
Radical Unschoolers Unite!
Shyrley
On 20 Aug 02, at 12:53, SandraDodd@... wrote:
very poor fine motor control in my fingers as well as loss of
sensation. This means people take pity on me and do my sewing
for me. Which is great cos I always hated it :-)
Do they do re-enactments for non-members to go too?
think, especially North Virginia. They must put somethingin the
water!!
Only another year and I'm outta here!!
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
>Fortunately for me I can never learn to sew. As I have MS I have
> In a message dated 8/20/02 10:16:08 AM, shyrley.williams@...
> writes:
>
> << It also
> didn't say if we would be required to wear costumes at the
> meetings (I can't sew and I can't afford to buy anything) >>
>
> All events are participation only.
>
> It would be a good excuse to learn to sew!!
very poor fine motor control in my fingers as well as loss of
sensation. This means people take pity on me and do my sewing
for me. Which is great cos I always hated it :-)
>Right.
> <<Is it fun? >>
>
> Can be. Depends what you think is fun AND it depends on what the
> local group is like. Some are super kid-friendly, others not so much.
> Some have lots of music, some don't. Some have people who drink a
> lot, some have none.
> Just a motley assortment of factors color the realities of each local
> group
> and subgroup.
>Sounds beyond our reach then :-(
> But it's expensive for those who can't sew or make or find most of
> their own stuff, because you are expected to have costumes and feast
> gear and if you camp it needs to try to be more period than not. We
> have a brown nylon dome tent which comes up from time to time, but
> also canvas tents for the main part of camp. We have metal folding
> chairs sometimes, but for big events we have wooden benches.
> Different people have different degrees of authenticity and it's a
> constant and gradual improvement for most people, but the base
> requirements do cost a bit of money.
Do they do re-enactments for non-members to go too?
> Shyrley, if you were in another part of the country I would try toYeah, here in Virginia everyone is uptight and anal I'm beginning to
> hook you up with locals, but you're in Virginia. I have SCA friends
> in Maryland, but here is the reality: You are in a part of the U.S.
> where people are *not* as friendly and as welcoming as people are in
> other parts of the country. And you're in a part where SCA standards
> are really pretty high. There are other places where I could hook you
> up with someone who might lend you things and help you out, but I've
> tried getting even established SCA members with rank and station
> hooked up with my Maryland contacts and it's a dud. Hard to explain,
> and it's not just the SCA (and not just MY friends <g>), it's a
> regional phenomenon.
think, especially North Virginia. They must put somethingin the
water!!
Only another year and I'm outta here!!
>Shyrley
> Sandra
>
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
Shyrley
On 20 Aug 02, at 12:53, SandraDodd@... wrote:
very poor fine motor control in my fingers as well as loss of
sensation. This means people take pity on me and do my sewing
for me. Which is great cos I always hated it :-)
Do they do re-enactments for non-members to go too?
think, especially North Virginia. They must put somethingin the
water!!
Only another year and I'm outta here!!
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
>Fortunately for me I can never learn to sew. As I have MS I have
> In a message dated 8/20/02 10:16:08 AM, shyrley.williams@...
> writes:
>
> << It also
> didn't say if we would be required to wear costumes at the
> meetings (I can't sew and I can't afford to buy anything) >>
>
> All events are participation only.
>
> It would be a good excuse to learn to sew!!
very poor fine motor control in my fingers as well as loss of
sensation. This means people take pity on me and do my sewing
for me. Which is great cos I always hated it :-)
>Right.
> <<Is it fun? >>
>
> Can be. Depends what you think is fun AND it depends on what the
> local group is like. Some are super kid-friendly, others not so much.
> Some have lots of music, some don't. Some have people who drink a
> lot, some have none.
> Just a motley assortment of factors color the realities of each local
> group
> and subgroup.
>Sounds beyond our reach then :-(
> But it's expensive for those who can't sew or make or find most of
> their own stuff, because you are expected to have costumes and feast
> gear and if you camp it needs to try to be more period than not. We
> have a brown nylon dome tent which comes up from time to time, but
> also canvas tents for the main part of camp. We have metal folding
> chairs sometimes, but for big events we have wooden benches.
> Different people have different degrees of authenticity and it's a
> constant and gradual improvement for most people, but the base
> requirements do cost a bit of money.
Do they do re-enactments for non-members to go too?
> Shyrley, if you were in another part of the country I would try toYeah, here in Virginia everyone is uptight and anal I'm beginning to
> hook you up with locals, but you're in Virginia. I have SCA friends
> in Maryland, but here is the reality: You are in a part of the U.S.
> where people are *not* as friendly and as welcoming as people are in
> other parts of the country. And you're in a part where SCA standards
> are really pretty high. There are other places where I could hook you
> up with someone who might lend you things and help you out, but I've
> tried getting even established SCA members with rank and station
> hooked up with my Maryland contacts and it's a dud. Hard to explain,
> and it's not just the SCA (and not just MY friends <g>), it's a
> regional phenomenon.
think, especially North Virginia. They must put somethingin the
water!!
Only another year and I'm outta here!!
>Shyrley
> Sandra
>
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/02 1:27:03 PM, shyrley.williams@... writes:
<< Do they do re-enactments for non-members to go too? >>
No, that would be Renaissance Faires.
Sometimes there will be a demo in public, but those are more like show'n'tell
of what the SCA is.
Sandr
<< Do they do re-enactments for non-members to go too? >>
No, that would be Renaissance Faires.
Sometimes there will be a demo in public, but those are more like show'n'tell
of what the SCA is.
Sandr
Tia Leschke
>How is that pronounced?
>AElflaed (I would sign "Sandra" but once I go that deep into SCA stuff I
>just must be AElflaed)
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/21/02 12:15:58 PM, leschke@... writes:
<< >AElflaed (I would sign "Sandra" but once I go that deep into SCA stuff I
ELfled
or
ELFled
Still-used names from that batch of anglo-saxon names include Elsie, Elton,
Alton Alfred, Edward, Elvis... all of which were once spelled with the letter
we don't have anymore which looks like an A and E stuck together. An ash. Æ
might come out here but might turn to symbols or garbage. On many computers
it can be done with option and ' or option/shift/' for the capital æÆ
And to pronunciation, nobody knows for sure. Likely halfway between our "a"
and "e" or maybe a dipthong (a slide from one to the other).
There are lots of no-longer-used ones. Thinking without looking any up,
Elric, AElfric, AElflaeda, AElfwyn, Alwyn.
Sandra
<< >AElflaed (I would sign "Sandra" but once I go that deep into SCA stuff I
>just must be AElflaed)How is that pronounced? >>
ELfled
or
ELFled
Still-used names from that batch of anglo-saxon names include Elsie, Elton,
Alton Alfred, Edward, Elvis... all of which were once spelled with the letter
we don't have anymore which looks like an A and E stuck together. An ash. Æ
might come out here but might turn to symbols or garbage. On many computers
it can be done with option and ' or option/shift/' for the capital æÆ
And to pronunciation, nobody knows for sure. Likely halfway between our "a"
and "e" or maybe a dipthong (a slide from one to the other).
There are lots of no-longer-used ones. Thinking without looking any up,
Elric, AElfric, AElflaeda, AElfwyn, Alwyn.
Sandra
Shyrley
On 21 Aug 02, at 14:55, SandraDodd@... wrote:
Thats what happens when you live in Wales :-)
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> Still-used names from that batch of anglo-saxon names include Elsie,I know 2 Elric's, 1 Elfwyn and 3 Alwyns.
> Elton, Alton Alfred, Edward, Elvis... all of which were once spelled
> with the letter we don't have anymore which looks like an A and E
> stuck together. An ash. Æ might come out here but might turn to
> symbols or garbage. On many computers it can be done with option and
> ' or option/shift/' for the capital æÆ
>
> And to pronunciation, nobody knows for sure. Likely halfway between
> our "a" and "e" or maybe a dipthong (a slide from one to the other).
>
> There are lots of no-longer-used ones. Thinking without looking any
> up, Elric, AElfric, AElflaeda, AElfwyn, Alwyn.
>
> Sandra
>
Thats what happens when you live in Wales :-)
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/21/02 1:00:06 PM, shyrley.williams@... writes:
<< Thats what happens when you live in Wales :-) >>
Are they names which have been in use all along, or are they Celtic revival
things? (there are lots of american kids with Irish and Welsh and paganite
names in the past 25 years, but weren't any 100 years ago).
Just curious!
Sandra
<< Thats what happens when you live in Wales :-) >>
Are they names which have been in use all along, or are they Celtic revival
things? (there are lots of american kids with Irish and Welsh and paganite
names in the past 25 years, but weren't any 100 years ago).
Just curious!
Sandra
Shyrley
On 21 Aug 02, at 15:03, SandraDodd@... wrote:
of my sons have welsh names, Bryn and Rhodri. Wales is packed
with 'em.
I noticed the celtic fervour here but managed to get myself chucked
off some neo-pagan lists for pointing out that the Celts never
reached the British Isles in any number. It was cultural
transmission, not physical. People from France and Germany have
more 'celtic' genes than your average irishman.
I didn't dare go to a Celtic festival that was held in Virginia a few
weeks ago. My mouth has a habit of springing open all by itself. I
got nothing against having a bit of fantasy (like decorating houses
in all that knotwork and wafty music) but I don't lke it called 'truth'
Shyrley the pedant
Chaos, panic and disorder - my work is done here.
>The Welsh have always used them. My husband is welsh and two
> In a message dated 8/21/02 1:00:06 PM, shyrley.williams@...
> writes:
>
> << Thats what happens when you live in Wales :-) >>
>
> Are they names which have been in use all along, or are they Celtic
> revival things? (there are lots of american kids with Irish and Welsh
> and paganite names in the past 25 years, but weren't any 100 years
> ago).
>
> Just curious!
>
> Sandra
>
of my sons have welsh names, Bryn and Rhodri. Wales is packed
with 'em.
I noticed the celtic fervour here but managed to get myself chucked
off some neo-pagan lists for pointing out that the Celts never
reached the British Isles in any number. It was cultural
transmission, not physical. People from France and Germany have
more 'celtic' genes than your average irishman.
I didn't dare go to a Celtic festival that was held in Virginia a few
weeks ago. My mouth has a habit of springing open all by itself. I
got nothing against having a bit of fantasy (like decorating houses
in all that knotwork and wafty music) but I don't lke it called 'truth'
Shyrley the pedant
Chaos, panic and disorder - my work is done here.
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/02 2:26:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
If you want, I could get Marty to bring boffers. He could bring his stuff
in
a duffle bag so boffers would fit. Marty's pretty tall now (meaning over
5'4", from my point of view) but he's played with all different age kids his
whole life, so he would be nice and safe for younger guys, and probably not
a
bad fight for older guys!
regulations....abc pipe/pipe isulations/tape etc..... I hope that's good
enough.
We have a youth combat program here to prepare the young ones for heavy
combat.
There are protection requirements but they practice without protection a lot
too.
For the events they must have the protective gear. For the younger ones it's
mainly the kidney, head and shoulder protection.
We practice at home without it. He'd just love to goof around with any other
SCA members, he's a die hard.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<<
If you want, I could get Marty to bring boffers. He could bring his stuff
in
a duffle bag so boffers would fit. Marty's pretty tall now (meaning over
5'4", from my point of view) but he's played with all different age kids his
whole life, so he would be nice and safe for younger guys, and probably not
a
bad fight for older guys!
>>Trevor would LOVE that! We made our boffers according to local
regulations....abc pipe/pipe isulations/tape etc..... I hope that's good
enough.
We have a youth combat program here to prepare the young ones for heavy
combat.
There are protection requirements but they practice without protection a lot
too.
For the events they must have the protective gear. For the younger ones it's
mainly the kidney, head and shoulder protection.
We practice at home without it. He'd just love to goof around with any other
SCA members, he's a die hard.
Ren
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/02 2:26:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
As far as monetary requirements.....we live in a really cool area where SCA
members are very helpful and not too hung up on authenticity. The look of it
is what matters to them more.
And I got started with very little investment. I don't have a tent as of yet
though, so we'll see.
Most all of our feast gear came from stuff we had around the house or the
flea market....picked up pewter mugs for 4 and 5 bucks. Someone gave us wood
bowls and a couple outfits for Sierra.
I re-worked some Goodwill stuff, purchased some leather and a grommet thingy
and we're pretty well set.
There's a lot we can add, but we just do what we can, when we can. And there
are people in our group that help with sewing. Either lessons or bartering
for their skills.
One of the guys is a leather genius. He makes stuff for the exotic dancers
around town and loves helping out everyone in SCA....doesn't even charge
sometimes.
Anyway, if you find the right group it's easy to get started and they don't
expect you to have everything up front. Most groups also have a chatelling
box (loaner box) with clothing and feast gear for you to borrow at your first
event.
Don't hold back for fear of not having money/gear, just like with
unschooling, you have to take the leap for it to work!!!
If you think you'd enjoy it, go for it.
I think just about everyone in our group is in it for the revelry, among
other things.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
As far as monetary requirements.....we live in a really cool area where SCA
members are very helpful and not too hung up on authenticity. The look of it
is what matters to them more.
And I got started with very little investment. I don't have a tent as of yet
though, so we'll see.
Most all of our feast gear came from stuff we had around the house or the
flea market....picked up pewter mugs for 4 and 5 bucks. Someone gave us wood
bowls and a couple outfits for Sierra.
I re-worked some Goodwill stuff, purchased some leather and a grommet thingy
and we're pretty well set.
There's a lot we can add, but we just do what we can, when we can. And there
are people in our group that help with sewing. Either lessons or bartering
for their skills.
One of the guys is a leather genius. He makes stuff for the exotic dancers
around town and loves helping out everyone in SCA....doesn't even charge
sometimes.
Anyway, if you find the right group it's easy to get started and they don't
expect you to have everything up front. Most groups also have a chatelling
box (loaner box) with clothing and feast gear for you to borrow at your first
event.
Don't hold back for fear of not having money/gear, just like with
unschooling, you have to take the leap for it to work!!!
If you think you'd enjoy it, go for it.
I think just about everyone in our group is in it for the revelry, among
other things.
Ren
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:27:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
Shyrley will be here at the conference, along with quite a few other
interested people. If you'd like to contact the local SCAer's in Columbia, we
can line them up to show off weaponry then (that's their big "thang" around
here--the fighting. I went to a practice session one evening about a year
ago---fascinating. But I've lost contact.). They also have a strong "arts"
group---sorry, I forget the lingo.
kellyinsc
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[email protected] writes:
> Shyrley, if you were in another part of the country I would try to hook youSandra,
> up with locals, but you're in Virginia. I have SCA friends in Maryland,
> but
> here is the reality: You are in a part of the U.S. where people are *not*
> as
> friendly and as welcoming as people are in other parts of the country.
> And
> you're in a part where SCA standards are really pretty high. There are
> other
> places where I could hook you up with someone who might lend you things and
>
> help you out, but I've tried getting even established SCA members with rank
>
> and station hooked up with my Maryland contacts and it's a dud. Hard to
> explain, and it's not just the SCA (and not just MY friends <g>), it's a
> regional phenomenon.
Shyrley will be here at the conference, along with quite a few other
interested people. If you'd like to contact the local SCAer's in Columbia, we
can line them up to show off weaponry then (that's their big "thang" around
here--the fighting. I went to a practice session one evening about a year
ago---fascinating. But I've lost contact.). They also have a strong "arts"
group---sorry, I forget the lingo.
kellyinsc
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In a message dated 8/21/02 10:53:32 PM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:
<< If you'd like to contact the local SCAer's in Columbia, we
can line them up to show off weaponry then (that's their big "thang" around
here--the fighting. I went to a practice session one evening about a year
ago---fascinating. But I've lost contact.). They also have a strong "arts"
group---sorry, I forget the lingo. >>
You want an SCA demo? "A&S" is the lingo <g> for arts and sciences in the
SCA.
I'm willing to try to check into that if you want. Weekends are sometimes
bad, and some sites just want nothing to do with such things. The SCA has
liability insurance, but the demos need to be publishe din advance. They
have barely enough time to do that, though, so it's a possibility if you want
it.
If that's going to happen, though, maybe I should wear a costume and help
them out, and be sociable as AElflaed.
There was a time in my life when that would have sounded very cool, but right
now *I'm* very cool about it, in a COLD kind of way. But because Ren and
Shyrley are interested, I might force myself...
The gaming shop isn't so interested in doing a demo or having a table (and
discussing it with some other people, I understand why--just the logistics
and economics of it), and I guess Daved Korup didn't get it together, so if
I'm going to impress anyone with anything cool, maybe an SCA demo would be
the thing.
PROBLEM IS... it's a weekend and they might be having an event, in which case
we can prob'ly forget about it.
But do you want me to check?
AE
<< If you'd like to contact the local SCAer's in Columbia, we
can line them up to show off weaponry then (that's their big "thang" around
here--the fighting. I went to a practice session one evening about a year
ago---fascinating. But I've lost contact.). They also have a strong "arts"
group---sorry, I forget the lingo. >>
You want an SCA demo? "A&S" is the lingo <g> for arts and sciences in the
SCA.
I'm willing to try to check into that if you want. Weekends are sometimes
bad, and some sites just want nothing to do with such things. The SCA has
liability insurance, but the demos need to be publishe din advance. They
have barely enough time to do that, though, so it's a possibility if you want
it.
If that's going to happen, though, maybe I should wear a costume and help
them out, and be sociable as AElflaed.
There was a time in my life when that would have sounded very cool, but right
now *I'm* very cool about it, in a COLD kind of way. But because Ren and
Shyrley are interested, I might force myself...
The gaming shop isn't so interested in doing a demo or having a table (and
discussing it with some other people, I understand why--just the logistics
and economics of it), and I guess Daved Korup didn't get it together, so if
I'm going to impress anyone with anything cool, maybe an SCA demo would be
the thing.
PROBLEM IS... it's a weekend and they might be having an event, in which case
we can prob'ly forget about it.
But do you want me to check?
AE
Shyrley
On 22 Aug 02, at 0:51, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
pike and a two handed sword. That was fun
I can use an english longbow but I don't always hit anything...
The kids would be fascinated. They play D&D a lot and have a
good knowledge of medieval weaponry, both personal and weapons
of mass destruction.
(I can hear DH in the background saying 'and yeah, what use is
that to them wont you don't teach them maths and physics
blahblah blah')
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
>Sounds fun. When I was with the Sealed Knot I leanred to use a
> Shyrley will be here at the conference, along with quite a few other
> interested people. If you'd like to contact the local SCAer's in
> Columbia, we can line them up to show off weaponry then (that's their
> big "thang" around here--the fighting. I went to a practice session
> one evening about a year ago---fascinating. But I've lost contact.).
> They also have a strong "arts" group---sorry, I forget the lingo.
>
> kellyinsc
>
pike and a two handed sword. That was fun
I can use an english longbow but I don't always hit anything...
The kids would be fascinated. They play D&D a lot and have a
good knowledge of medieval weaponry, both personal and weapons
of mass destruction.
(I can hear DH in the background saying 'and yeah, what use is
that to them wont you don't teach them maths and physics
blahblah blah')
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/22/02 8:54:57 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:
<< (I can hear DH in the background saying 'and yeah, what use is
that to them wont you don't teach them maths and physics
blahblah blah') >>
If your husband can't see the physics in weapons study, he's needing to
spend less time worrying about the kids' learning and look to his own
application of what he knows!!!
My kids know what 180 degrees is because that constitutes the last of the
legal swings. They know 90 degrees because that's the recommended safe
range. No "roundhouse" swings with even soft boffers; too much force. That
is math and that is physics.
The longer the blade or haft, the more force (if swung or arced).
I wonder what a google search on physics and medieval weapons would turn up?
Maybe you should send your husband to find out.
Sandra
<< (I can hear DH in the background saying 'and yeah, what use is
that to them wont you don't teach them maths and physics
blahblah blah') >>
If your husband can't see the physics in weapons study, he's needing to
spend less time worrying about the kids' learning and look to his own
application of what he knows!!!
My kids know what 180 degrees is because that constitutes the last of the
legal swings. They know 90 degrees because that's the recommended safe
range. No "roundhouse" swings with even soft boffers; too much force. That
is math and that is physics.
The longer the blade or haft, the more force (if swung or arced).
I wonder what a google search on physics and medieval weapons would turn up?
Maybe you should send your husband to find out.
Sandra
Betsy
**I wonder what a google search on physics and medieval weapons would
turn up? Maybe you should send your husband to find out.**
Many of you have probably seen it, but let me recommend the NOVA Ancient
Empires video where they build and test a replica of a medieval
trebuchet. (A kind of catapult.)
It's fun! And if you are keeping score, it counts as Physics and
Experimental Archaeology.
Betsy
turn up? Maybe you should send your husband to find out.**
Many of you have probably seen it, but let me recommend the NOVA Ancient
Empires video where they build and test a replica of a medieval
trebuchet. (A kind of catapult.)
It's fun! And if you are keeping score, it counts as Physics and
Experimental Archaeology.
Betsy
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In a message dated 8/22/02 10:43:08 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< It's fun! And if you are keeping score, it counts as Physics and
Experimental Archaeology. >>
And history!
Engineering!
Art!
Physical Education.
If they make a record of the project it could be writing or computer literacy
(if it's a webpage, or e-mail, or whatever...)
Sandra
<< It's fun! And if you are keeping score, it counts as Physics and
Experimental Archaeology. >>
And history!
Engineering!
Art!
Physical Education.
If they make a record of the project it could be writing or computer literacy
(if it's a webpage, or e-mail, or whatever...)
Sandra
Shyrley
On 22 Aug 02, at 11:29, SandraDodd@... wrote:
relevant. The important thing is too be able to put it in
mathematical terms. And cos I don't teach them math unless they
ask he's getting all cross.
Its all very well being able to adjust the trajectory of your arrow but
unless you can write down a mathematical formula to describe it
you wont pass any exams.
Unfortunately he can mathematically describe anything. But them
he's a mathematician.
asked my kids what 180 degrees was they'd look blank.
they should also be able to write it mathematically.
He's very exam orientated. It's no good knowing how to 'do' stuff if
you can't describe 'how' you do it.
Now that Heather is 10 he is worried about how far behind she is
when compared to skool-going peers. How will she pass exams to
get into university?
He bblames me for her hating maths cos I am a firm believer that
most of is a waste of time unless you want to be a scientist, i
mean, when was the last time you integrated an equation? He
accuses me of poisoning her mind and damaging her potential. The
fact that the skool made her hate maths cos she was 6 years
ahead of her peers so they used to parade her in front of the other
kids to *encourage* them seems to be irelevant to him.
Sigh
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
>He doesn't think that the instinctive knowledge they develop is
> In a message dated 8/22/02 8:54:57 AM, shyrley.williams@...
> writes:
>
> << (I can hear DH in the background saying 'and yeah, what use is that
> to them wont you don't teach them maths and physics blahblah blah') >>
>
> If your husband can't see the physics in weapons study, he's needing
> to spend less time worrying about the kids' learning and look to his
> own application of what he knows!!!
relevant. The important thing is too be able to put it in
mathematical terms. And cos I don't teach them math unless they
ask he's getting all cross.
Its all very well being able to adjust the trajectory of your arrow but
unless you can write down a mathematical formula to describe it
you wont pass any exams.
Unfortunately he can mathematically describe anything. But them
he's a mathematician.
>But do you describe it in eqautions and numbers for them? If you
> My kids know what 180 degrees is because that constitutes the last of
> the legal swings. They know 90 degrees because that's the recommended
> safe range. No "roundhouse" swings with even soft boffers; too much
> force. That is math and that is physics.
asked my kids what 180 degrees was they'd look blank.
>Again, they know that with their muscles and eyes but he thinks
> The longer the blade or haft, the more force (if swung or arced).
they should also be able to write it mathematically.
>He just doesn't believe unschooling can work.
> I wonder what a google search on physics and medieval weapons would
> turn up? Maybe you should send your husband to find out.
>
> Sandra
>
He's very exam orientated. It's no good knowing how to 'do' stuff if
you can't describe 'how' you do it.
Now that Heather is 10 he is worried about how far behind she is
when compared to skool-going peers. How will she pass exams to
get into university?
He bblames me for her hating maths cos I am a firm believer that
most of is a waste of time unless you want to be a scientist, i
mean, when was the last time you integrated an equation? He
accuses me of poisoning her mind and damaging her potential. The
fact that the skool made her hate maths cos she was 6 years
ahead of her peers so they used to parade her in front of the other
kids to *encourage* them seems to be irelevant to him.
Sigh
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/22/02 11:52:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< If that's going to happen, though, maybe I should wear a costume and help
them out, and be sociable as AElflaed. >>
Ooooh, yes yes!! Please?
I'd wear one of my outfits and help if you want. My kids could bring theirs
too.....
And thanks Joyce, Shyrley and Sandra for the info. on Aowyn. I don't think
she was using Lord of the Rings, she's not much that type. Her daughter is
in her 20's now so it was pretty unusual for that time, Celtic stuff wasn't
yet hip the way it is now.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< If that's going to happen, though, maybe I should wear a costume and help
them out, and be sociable as AElflaed. >>
Ooooh, yes yes!! Please?
I'd wear one of my outfits and help if you want. My kids could bring theirs
too.....
And thanks Joyce, Shyrley and Sandra for the info. on Aowyn. I don't think
she was using Lord of the Rings, she's not much that type. Her daughter is
in her 20's now so it was pretty unusual for that time, Celtic stuff wasn't
yet hip the way it is now.
Ren
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Her daughter is
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> time, Celtic stuff wasn't
> yet hip the way it is now.
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"He's very exam orientated. It's no good knowing how to 'do' stuff if
you can't describe 'how' you do it."
Ask him how his neurons fire - and if he can't describe it to you in
biochemical terms, tell him he has to stop thinking NOW. After all, if he
can't describe 'how' to do it, then it's really no good doing it, is it.
Honestly. If he figures out the neuron thing, ask how gaseous exchange
works on a molecular level (ie, breathing/blood supply)...and then the
Krebs cycle (ATP for energy)... and then there's all of the chem-gates he
needs to know about in the intestines for eliminating some of this...matter
he's come up with.
Really.
Heidi
you can't describe 'how' you do it."
Ask him how his neurons fire - and if he can't describe it to you in
biochemical terms, tell him he has to stop thinking NOW. After all, if he
can't describe 'how' to do it, then it's really no good doing it, is it.
Honestly. If he figures out the neuron thing, ask how gaseous exchange
works on a molecular level (ie, breathing/blood supply)...and then the
Krebs cycle (ATP for energy)... and then there's all of the chem-gates he
needs to know about in the intestines for eliminating some of this...matter
he's come up with.
Really.
Heidi
Shyrley
On 22 Aug 02, at 15:38, Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema wrote:
doesn't need to know. The kids have to pass exams therefore they
need to learn this stuff.
is necassary for exams I am blocking off avenues of potential for
them. Education (as in grades) give you options for your life so its
important to have a recognised education whether you believe it is
relevant or not. Enough employers think exams are important to
make them necassary in order to get on in life.
I'm not very good at debating when he goes off like that. I can see
his point although I don't agree with it but don't know enough to
argue.
I knew marrying a scientist was a baaaaaad idea.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> "He's very exam orientated. It's no good knowing how to 'do' stuff ifHis retort would be he doesn't have to pass an exam in it so he
> you can't describe 'how' you do it."
>
> Ask him how his neurons fire - and if he can't describe it to you in
> biochemical terms, tell him he has to stop thinking NOW. After all,
> if he can't describe 'how' to do it, then it's really no good doing
> it, is it.
doesn't need to know. The kids have to pass exams therefore they
need to learn this stuff.
>He'd say you were being facetious. By not teaching them stuff that
> Honestly. If he figures out the neuron thing, ask how gaseous
> exchange works on a molecular level (ie, breathing/blood supply)...and
> then the Krebs cycle (ATP for energy)... and then there's all of the
> chem-gates he needs to know about in the intestines for eliminating
> some of this...matter he's come up with. Really. Heidi
>
is necassary for exams I am blocking off avenues of potential for
them. Education (as in grades) give you options for your life so its
important to have a recognised education whether you believe it is
relevant or not. Enough employers think exams are important to
make them necassary in order to get on in life.
I'm not very good at debating when he goes off like that. I can see
his point although I don't agree with it but don't know enough to
argue.
I knew marrying a scientist was a baaaaaad idea.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
Shyrley
On 22 Aug 02, at 15:38, Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema wrote:
doesn't need to know. The kids have to pass exams therefore they
need to learn this stuff.
is necassary for exams I am blocking off avenues of potential for
them. Education (as in grades) give you options for your life so its
important to have a recognised education whether you believe it is
relevant or not. Enough employers think exams are important to
make them necassary in order to get on in life.
I'm not very good at debating when he goes off like that. I can see
his point although I don't agree with it but don't know enough to
argue.
I knew marrying a scientist was a baaaaaad idea.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> "He's very exam orientated. It's no good knowing how to 'do' stuff ifHis retort would be he doesn't have to pass an exam in it so he
> you can't describe 'how' you do it."
>
> Ask him how his neurons fire - and if he can't describe it to you in
> biochemical terms, tell him he has to stop thinking NOW. After all,
> if he can't describe 'how' to do it, then it's really no good doing
> it, is it.
doesn't need to know. The kids have to pass exams therefore they
need to learn this stuff.
>He'd say you were being facetious. By not teaching them stuff that
> Honestly. If he figures out the neuron thing, ask how gaseous
> exchange works on a molecular level (ie, breathing/blood supply)...and
> then the Krebs cycle (ATP for energy)... and then there's all of the
> chem-gates he needs to know about in the intestines for eliminating
> some of this...matter he's come up with. Really. Heidi
>
is necassary for exams I am blocking off avenues of potential for
them. Education (as in grades) give you options for your life so its
important to have a recognised education whether you believe it is
relevant or not. Enough employers think exams are important to
make them necassary in order to get on in life.
I'm not very good at debating when he goes off like that. I can see
his point although I don't agree with it but don't know enough to
argue.
I knew marrying a scientist was a baaaaaad idea.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
At 06:46 PM 8/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
stopping and thinking about there maybe being any OTHER reasons for knowing
stuff. After all, why did he go into the sciences? Did he love the
subject, or was it because he was good at the tests and thought he could
make a lot of money? ...and what exams do your kids have to pass? Are you
in one of those awful states that says folks need to test their kids?
important or useful than upper biological studies? If he suddenly
develops a problem processing oxygen, let's see him mathematic out of that
one! I'd know what was going on and would be able to do something about it!
find that book when I want it. Anybody know who it's by? Anyway, it
points out that monetarily successful people RARELY have good grades in
school and that while grades may or may not be needed to be employed, the
REAL money is in being an EMPLOYER for which creativity, an ability to pick
up the information you need quickly and moxie are what's needed. Nobody
cares what your grades are when you're hiring them and paying them a
salary! Goodness, he's setting his sights low. Why shouldn't HIS kids be
the employers, the big-wigs, the innovators, the decision-makers!
set the parameters of your argument. Do NOT address the details of what
he's saying (ie being able to chart a parabola) but go straight to the crux
of the matter (success of the kids) and speak in his terms (probably money
and respect) about what the kids will need to be there. He's thinking like
a 'poor' employee, not a rich employer! (and yes, I am well aware that
there are better measures of success than money, but many people aren't
always open to considering that and I think this guy's probably one of them.)
Good luck,
Heidi
> > Ask him how his neurons fire - and if he can't describe it to you inRight, but the idea is to try to shock him into laughing or at least
> > biochemical terms, tell him he has to stop thinking NOW. After all,
> > if he can't describe 'how' to do it, then it's really no good doing
> > it, is it.
>
>His retort would be he doesn't have to pass an exam in it so he
>doesn't need to know. The kids have to pass exams therefore they
>need to learn this stuff.
stopping and thinking about there maybe being any OTHER reasons for knowing
stuff. After all, why did he go into the sciences? Did he love the
subject, or was it because he was good at the tests and thought he could
make a lot of money? ...and what exams do your kids have to pass? Are you
in one of those awful states that says folks need to test their kids?
> > Honestly. If he figures out the neuron thing, ask how gaseousAnd I'd say he was being bigoted. Who says upper mathematics is more
>He'd say you were being facetious.
important or useful than upper biological studies? If he suddenly
develops a problem processing oxygen, let's see him mathematic out of that
one! I'd know what was going on and would be able to do something about it!
>By not teaching them stuff thatSecondly, have him read 'The Millionaire Mind' by ...oh lord, I can never
>is necassary for exams I am blocking off avenues of potential for
>them. Education (as in grades) give you options for your life so its
>important to have a recognised education whether you believe it is
>relevant or not. Enough employers think exams are important to
>make them necassary in order to get on in life.
find that book when I want it. Anybody know who it's by? Anyway, it
points out that monetarily successful people RARELY have good grades in
school and that while grades may or may not be needed to be employed, the
REAL money is in being an EMPLOYER for which creativity, an ability to pick
up the information you need quickly and moxie are what's needed. Nobody
cares what your grades are when you're hiring them and paying them a
salary! Goodness, he's setting his sights low. Why shouldn't HIS kids be
the employers, the big-wigs, the innovators, the decision-makers!
>I'm not very good at debating when he goes off like that. I can seeI'd venture to say that you're not good at debating him because you let him
>his point although I don't agree with it but don't know enough to
>argue.
set the parameters of your argument. Do NOT address the details of what
he's saying (ie being able to chart a parabola) but go straight to the crux
of the matter (success of the kids) and speak in his terms (probably money
and respect) about what the kids will need to be there. He's thinking like
a 'poor' employee, not a rich employer! (and yes, I am well aware that
there are better measures of success than money, but many people aren't
always open to considering that and I think this guy's probably one of them.)
Good luck,
Heidi
Shyrley
On 22 Aug 02, at 16:23, Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema wrote:
from 3 to 10, each in a different subject. You need at least 5
passes in order to do A levels. A levels are done between 16 and
18 - generally in 3 subjects. The academic level is higher than the
US Freshman year at college.
You need 2 or 3 A level passes in order to go to university.
His parents are into science. Mother teaches physics at A level
and Father is a university lecturer and has been for 30 years.
DH got the best physics degree in the country for his year so he
tends to be academically inclined. He's now a mathematician
researcher.
It's very tricky getting into a UK university without A levels.
paid crap wages.
avenues for the future than being 18 with none of those magical
pieces of paper. A levels in our case, High scool thingy in yours.
I am doing my kids a diservice by not giving them this grounding.
He really should come to a conference and I should get Sandra to
pin him in a corner :-)
Shyrley
> At 06:46 PM 8/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:English kids take exams called GCSE's at 16. Usually anything
> > > Ask him how his neurons fire - and if he can't describe it to you
> > > in biochemical terms, tell him he has to stop thinking NOW. After
> > > all, if he can't describe 'how' to do it, then it's really no good
> > > doing it, is it.
> >
> >His retort would be he doesn't have to pass an exam in it so he
> >doesn't need to know. The kids have to pass exams therefore they need
> >to learn this stuff.
>
> Right, but the idea is to try to shock him into laughing or at least
> stopping and thinking about there maybe being any OTHER reasons for
> knowing stuff. After all, why did he go into the sciences? Did he
> love the subject, or was it because he was good at the tests and
> thought he could make a lot of money? ...and what exams do your kids
> have to pass? Are you in one of those awful states that says folks
> need to test their kids?
from 3 to 10, each in a different subject. You need at least 5
passes in order to do A levels. A levels are done between 16 and
18 - generally in 3 subjects. The academic level is higher than the
US Freshman year at college.
You need 2 or 3 A level passes in order to go to university.
His parents are into science. Mother teaches physics at A level
and Father is a university lecturer and has been for 30 years.
DH got the best physics degree in the country for his year so he
tends to be academically inclined. He's now a mathematician
researcher.
It's very tricky getting into a UK university without A levels.
> >He'd say you were being facetious.Yeah but could you write a scienitfic essay on that subject?
>
> And I'd say he was being bigoted. Who says upper mathematics is more
> important or useful than upper biological studies? If he suddenly
> develops a problem processing oxygen, let's see him mathematic out of
> that one! I'd know what was going on and would be able to do
> something about it!
>I know I know. I did point out to him that scientists, like himslef are
> >By not teaching them stuff that
> >is necassary for exams I am blocking off avenues of potential for
> >them. Education (as in grades) give you options for your life so its
> >important to have a recognised education whether you believe it is
> >relevant or not. Enough employers think exams are important to make
> >them necassary in order to get on in life.
>
> Secondly, have him read 'The Millionaire Mind' by ...oh lord, I can
> never find that book when I want it. Anybody know who it's by?
> Anyway, it points out that monetarily successful people RARELY have
> good grades in school and that while grades may or may not be needed
> to be employed, the REAL money is in being an EMPLOYER for which
> creativity, an ability to pick up the information you need quickly and
> moxie are what's needed. Nobody cares what your grades are when
> you're hiring them and paying them a salary! Goodness, he's setting
> his sights low. Why shouldn't HIS kids be the employers, the
> big-wigs, the innovators, the decision-makers!
paid crap wages.
>He would say that getting a recognised education opens more
> >I'm not very good at debating when he goes off like that. I can see
> >his point although I don't agree with it but don't know enough to
> >argue.
>
> I'd venture to say that you're not good at debating him because you
> let him set the parameters of your argument. Do NOT address the
> details of what he's saying (ie being able to chart a parabola) but go
> straight to the crux of the matter (success of the kids) and speak in
> his terms (probably money and respect) about what the kids will need
> to be there. He's thinking like a 'poor' employee, not a rich
> employer! (and yes, I am well aware that there are better measures of
> success than money, but many people aren't always open to considering
> that and I think this guy's probably one of them.)
avenues for the future than being 18 with none of those magical
pieces of paper. A levels in our case, High scool thingy in yours.
I am doing my kids a diservice by not giving them this grounding.
He really should come to a conference and I should get Sandra to
pin him in a corner :-)
Shyrley
>"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> Good luck,
> Heidi
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Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
At 07:41 PM 8/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
hard one. Any chance you could move to California or send the kids to
college in the states and eliminate that testing?
double-blind study or experiment to demonstrate effectiveness (or lack
thereof.) After all, I've got a degree (bada-boom) in Science! Whoop-de-doo.
...and make him read The Millionaire Mind - or better yet, let him see
*you* reading it. Couldn't hurt, might help and it might give you more
'success ammo' to lob in his general direction.
>English kids take exams called GCSE's at 16. Usually anythingSo, you're *not* in a state that requires testing... (grin) Wow, that's a
hard one. Any chance you could move to California or send the kids to
college in the states and eliminate that testing?
>Yeah but could you write a scienitfic essay on that subject?Actually, I could, if you think he needs it. I could also draw up a
double-blind study or experiment to demonstrate effectiveness (or lack
thereof.) After all, I've got a degree (bada-boom) in Science! Whoop-de-doo.
>He would say that getting a recognised education opens moreI'll help hold him down.
>avenues for the future than being 18 with none of those magical
>pieces of paper. A levels in our case, High scool thingy in yours.
>I am doing my kids a diservice by not giving them this grounding.
>He really should come to a conference and I should get Sandra to
>pin him in a corner :-)
...and make him read The Millionaire Mind - or better yet, let him see
*you* reading it. Couldn't hurt, might help and it might give you more
'success ammo' to lob in his general direction.