help with responding
[email protected]
This is a letter I received and that I need to respond to ---- any
suggestions?
"Where does a grandmother turn when her grandchildren are being deprived of
an education? Although being homeschooled by their mother, there are very
little results. The eleven year old is only reading minimally, hasn't
started math (addition, subtraction, multiplication), doesn't know her phone
number or address, definitely doesn't write up to her grade level, has never
been introduced to our money system. There are no lesson plans and no method
to ensure competency. How is this child ever going to be able to function in
society? Her seven year old brother hasn't even started to learn how to
read. While there are plenty of homeschooled children that perform above the
public school standards, what about those who fall through the cracks? Where
do I turn? While they have a very loving household, as far as their
education, this borders on child abuse! Isn't there someone who monitors
this type of education?"
--pamS
suggestions?
"Where does a grandmother turn when her grandchildren are being deprived of
an education? Although being homeschooled by their mother, there are very
little results. The eleven year old is only reading minimally, hasn't
started math (addition, subtraction, multiplication), doesn't know her phone
number or address, definitely doesn't write up to her grade level, has never
been introduced to our money system. There are no lesson plans and no method
to ensure competency. How is this child ever going to be able to function in
society? Her seven year old brother hasn't even started to learn how to
read. While there are plenty of homeschooled children that perform above the
public school standards, what about those who fall through the cracks? Where
do I turn? While they have a very loving household, as far as their
education, this borders on child abuse! Isn't there someone who monitors
this type of education?"
--pamS
Jocelyn Vilter
You could tell her about Matthew (who Pam knows in person, really really
well), who didn't read until he was 11, and who for the very first time
picked up a novel at the library last week (two weeks before his 13th
birthday) and who finished it in the middle of a vacation at the beach, and
who then BEGGED to be taken into town to get the first book in the Artimis
Fowl series. The stuff she says about math and money, I just find hard to
believe. How could you live in this world and not be exposed to our
monetary system?
jocelyn
well), who didn't read until he was 11, and who for the very first time
picked up a novel at the library last week (two weeks before his 13th
birthday) and who finished it in the middle of a vacation at the beach, and
who then BEGGED to be taken into town to get the first book in the Artimis
Fowl series. The stuff she says about math and money, I just find hard to
believe. How could you live in this world and not be exposed to our
monetary system?
jocelyn
> From: PSoroosh@...
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:28:49 EDT
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [AlwaysLearning] help with responding
>
> This is a letter I received and that I need to respond to ---- any
> suggestions?
>
> "Where does a grandmother turn when her grandchildren are being deprived of
> an education? Although being homeschooled by their mother, there are very
> little results. The eleven year old is only reading minimally, hasn't
> started math (addition, subtraction, multiplication), doesn't know her phone
> number or address, definitely doesn't write up to her grade level, has never
> been introduced to our money system. There are no lesson plans and no method
> to ensure competency. How is this child ever going to be able to function in
> society? Her seven year old brother hasn't even started to learn how to
> read. While there are plenty of homeschooled children that perform above the
> public school standards, what about those who fall through the cracks? Where
> do I turn? While they have a very loving household, as far as their
> education, this borders on child abuse! Isn't there someone who monitors
> this type of education?"
>
> --pamS
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Pam Hartley
I'd ask her how she knows any of this for sure? Just because the children
don't perform for her doesn't mean they don't know it. If someone asked
Brit, "Do you know anything about our money system?" she'd say, "No." though
she does know quite a lot. She just wouldn't know the term.
Unless the grandmother lives in the house and interacts with the children
daily (if not hourly), she really can't know what the children are learning,
or what they know vs. what they will share that they know.
What does her daughter (or, more likely, daughter-in-law :P) say when she
voices her concerns?
Pam
----------
From: PSoroosh@...
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] help with responding
Date: Mon, Jun 10, 2002, 9:28 PM
This is a letter I received and that I need to respond to ---- any
suggestions?
"Where does a grandmother turn when her grandchildren are being deprived of
an education? Although being homeschooled by their mother, there are very
little results. The eleven year old is only reading minimally, hasn't
started math (addition, subtraction, multiplication), doesn't know her phone
number or address, definitely doesn't write up to her grade level, has never
been introduced to our money system. There are no lesson plans and no method
to ensure competency. How is this child ever going to be able to function
in
society? Her seven year old brother hasn't even started to learn how to
read. While there are plenty of homeschooled children that perform above
the
public school standards, what about those who fall through the cracks?
Where
do I turn? While they have a very loving household, as far as their
education, this borders on child abuse! Isn't there someone who monitors
this type of education?"
--pamS
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don't perform for her doesn't mean they don't know it. If someone asked
Brit, "Do you know anything about our money system?" she'd say, "No." though
she does know quite a lot. She just wouldn't know the term.
Unless the grandmother lives in the house and interacts with the children
daily (if not hourly), she really can't know what the children are learning,
or what they know vs. what they will share that they know.
What does her daughter (or, more likely, daughter-in-law :P) say when she
voices her concerns?
Pam
----------
From: PSoroosh@...
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] help with responding
Date: Mon, Jun 10, 2002, 9:28 PM
This is a letter I received and that I need to respond to ---- any
suggestions?
"Where does a grandmother turn when her grandchildren are being deprived of
an education? Although being homeschooled by their mother, there are very
little results. The eleven year old is only reading minimally, hasn't
started math (addition, subtraction, multiplication), doesn't know her phone
number or address, definitely doesn't write up to her grade level, has never
been introduced to our money system. There are no lesson plans and no method
to ensure competency. How is this child ever going to be able to function
in
society? Her seven year old brother hasn't even started to learn how to
read. While there are plenty of homeschooled children that perform above
the
public school standards, what about those who fall through the cracks?
Where
do I turn? While they have a very loving household, as far as their
education, this borders on child abuse! Isn't there someone who monitors
this type of education?"
--pamS
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Joylyn
I agree. Also, how does she voice her concerns. If she does so
confrontationally, then that might not be so good, and there may be
stress in the relationship, which puts a huge damper on any real
communication. If the children sense that stress then they will also be
less likely to share information that may make the grandmother feel more
at ease.
I'd also maybe talk to the grandmother about different kinds of
knowledge, and how life skills such as communication, general
information, etc. may not be readily apparent, unless the grandmother is
spending a lot of time with the children. Lexie would probably also say
she has no money skills but really, she does very well adding and
subtracting money. All it would take is giving her a bit of money to
spend to discover exactly how much she comprehends. (She just walked up
to the computer and complained that the mail downloading was too
slow--"it's only at 45% mom, that's not even half way!).
Joylyn
ps, princess bride just bought the book--it was in the sci fi adult
section. Amazing. Can't wait to read it.
Pam Hartley wrote:
Joylyn
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confrontationally, then that might not be so good, and there may be
stress in the relationship, which puts a huge damper on any real
communication. If the children sense that stress then they will also be
less likely to share information that may make the grandmother feel more
at ease.
I'd also maybe talk to the grandmother about different kinds of
knowledge, and how life skills such as communication, general
information, etc. may not be readily apparent, unless the grandmother is
spending a lot of time with the children. Lexie would probably also say
she has no money skills but really, she does very well adding and
subtracting money. All it would take is giving her a bit of money to
spend to discover exactly how much she comprehends. (She just walked up
to the computer and complained that the mail downloading was too
slow--"it's only at 45% mom, that's not even half way!).
Joylyn
ps, princess bride just bought the book--it was in the sci fi adult
section. Amazing. Can't wait to read it.
Pam Hartley wrote:
> I'd ask her how she knows any of this for sure? Just because the--
> children
> don't perform for her doesn't mean they don't know it. If someone
> asked
> Brit, "Do you know anything about our money system?" she'd say, "No."
> though
> she does know quite a lot. She just wouldn't know the term.
>
> Unless the grandmother lives in the house and interacts with the
> children
> daily (if not hourly), she really can't know what the children are
> learning,
> or what they know vs. what they will share that they know.
>
> What does her daughter (or, more likely, daughter-in-law :P) say when
> she
> voices her concerns?
>
> Pam
>
> ----------
> From: PSoroosh@...
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [AlwaysLearning] help with responding
> Date: Mon, Jun 10, 2002, 9:28 PM
>
>
> This is a letter I received and that I need to respond to ---- any
> suggestions?
>
> "Where does a grandmother turn when her grandchildren are being
> deprived of
> an education? Although being homeschooled by their mother, there are
> very
> little results. The eleven year old is only reading minimally, hasn't
>
> started math (addition, subtraction, multiplication), doesn't know her
> phone
> number or address, definitely doesn't write up to her grade level, has
> never
> been introduced to our money system. There are no lesson plans and no
> method
> to ensure competency. How is this child ever going to be able to
> function
> in
> society? Her seven year old brother hasn't even started to learn how
> to
> read. While there are plenty of homeschooled children that perform
> above
> the
> public school standards, what about those who fall through the cracks?
>
> Where
> do I turn? While they have a very loving household, as far as their
> education, this borders on child abuse! Isn't there someone who
> monitors
> this type of education?"
>
> --pamS
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In a message dated 6/10/02 11:23:19 PM, pamhartley@... writes:
<< What does her daughter (or, more likely, daughter-in-law :P) say >>
I thought that too. Poor every-single-one of them.
I think Carol Rice's article on late reading (www.unschooling.com and click
"library") is really good, and I know THOSE kids personally. The youngest
three are regulars here (the oldest one's up and out, fulltime job at REI,
bicycle trophies to earn...).
When we moved to this new house I drilled the kids on their address once in a
while. It would be too embarrassing (and legally risky) if a homeschooler
got stopped by police for some reason during school hours and didn't know his
address. So I'm kinda with the grandmother on that one. There are safety
reasons to know address and phone, with or without school.
Probably Kirby would say he knew no mathematics if he were asked in that
fashion. Yesterday in the car with no paper he and I figured how much more a
week he would be making now with a 35 cent an hour raise and 22 hours of work
a week, and it had to do with going by 70 instead of 35, since 11 and 70 are
easier to work with than 35 and 22.
But no panicky grandmother could even make it through a paragraph like that
without being angry at the end that I just didn't get out a paper and show
him how to multiply 35 by 22 and then show him how to figure out what
percentage of his old rate the new rate is.
Sandra
<< What does her daughter (or, more likely, daughter-in-law :P) say >>
I thought that too. Poor every-single-one of them.
I think Carol Rice's article on late reading (www.unschooling.com and click
"library") is really good, and I know THOSE kids personally. The youngest
three are regulars here (the oldest one's up and out, fulltime job at REI,
bicycle trophies to earn...).
When we moved to this new house I drilled the kids on their address once in a
while. It would be too embarrassing (and legally risky) if a homeschooler
got stopped by police for some reason during school hours and didn't know his
address. So I'm kinda with the grandmother on that one. There are safety
reasons to know address and phone, with or without school.
Probably Kirby would say he knew no mathematics if he were asked in that
fashion. Yesterday in the car with no paper he and I figured how much more a
week he would be making now with a 35 cent an hour raise and 22 hours of work
a week, and it had to do with going by 70 instead of 35, since 11 and 70 are
easier to work with than 35 and 22.
But no panicky grandmother could even make it through a paragraph like that
without being angry at the end that I just didn't get out a paper and show
him how to multiply 35 by 22 and then show him how to figure out what
percentage of his old rate the new rate is.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
>This is a letter I received and that I need to respond to ---- anyI think that I would give her one or two unschooling book titles or good
>suggestions?
>
>"Where does a grandmother turn when her grandchildren are being deprived of
>an education? Although being homeschooled by their mother, there are very
>little results. The eleven year old is only reading minimally, hasn't
>started math (addition, subtraction, multiplication), doesn't know her phone
>number or address, definitely doesn't write up to her grade level, has never
>been introduced to our money system. There are no lesson plans and no method
>to ensure competency. How is this child ever going to be able to function in
>society? Her seven year old brother hasn't even started to learn how to
>read. While there are plenty of homeschooled children that perform above the
>public school standards, what about those who fall through the cracks? Where
>do I turn? While they have a very loving household, as far as their
>education, this borders on child abuse! Isn't there someone who monitors
>this type of education?"
unschooling links if she's online. I'd suggest that she read those with an
open mind and think about whether that might be the style of homeschooling
that her grandchildren are using.
It *is* entirely possible that the mother thinks totally leaving the kids
on their own with no parental facilitation is the way to unschool. If the
kids aren't being exposed to the world in some way, they aren't going to be
learning much about it. If the grandmother learns something about
unschooling, she could better decide whether there really is a problem. If
she isn't willing to learn about unschooling with an open mind, then it's
really a family problem.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Amy Thomlinson
My son was in public school for 2 years and was never
exposed to our money system there. He also graduated
to 2nd grade without knowing how to read. He doesn't
know how to read a clock or tie his shoes or write so
that it can be read. So I can't see where these
children seem any different from the average public
school child.
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exposed to our money system there. He also graduated
to 2nd grade without knowing how to read. He doesn't
know how to read a clock or tie his shoes or write so
that it can be read. So I can't see where these
children seem any different from the average public
school child.
--- PSoroosh@... wrote:
> This is a letter I received and that I need to=====
> respond to ---- any
> suggestions?
>
> "Where does a grandmother turn when her
> grandchildren are being deprived of
> an education? Although being homeschooled by their
> mother, there are very
> little results. The eleven year old is only reading
> minimally, hasn't
> started math (addition, subtraction,
> multiplication), doesn't know her phone
> number or address, definitely doesn't write up to
> her grade level, has never
> been introduced to our money system. There are no
> lesson plans and no method
> to ensure competency. How is this child ever going
> to be able to function in
> society? Her seven year old brother hasn't even
> started to learn how to
> read. While there are plenty of homeschooled
> children that perform above the
> public school standards, what about those who fall
> through the cracks? Where
> do I turn? While they have a very loving household,
> as far as their
> education, this borders on child abuse! Isn't there
> someone who monitors
> this type of education?"
>
> --pamS
>
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anneounschooler
Hi all.
I'm Anne...AnneO to those of you who know me from the boards at
unschooling.com.
Just looking for a little unschooling chatting action today as I have
some time, and the boards are pretty slow...so I meandered over
here...
***--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., PSoroosh@a... wrote:
Are these children not already functioning in society? It seems the
grandmother is asking school-related questions and seeing her
grandchildren's education through the school system's eyes...but if
her bottom line question is what she asked above, "How is this child
ever going to be able to function in society?" then I would point out
to her that it seems like that's exactly what they are doing.
***> While they have a very loving household, as far as their
of the sentence says they have a very loving household, the next is
screaming child abuse? If she looked at this family with through the
eyes of a loving grandmother, she would see Love and Success and Joy
(which I am only assuming is true, as we know nothing of this family
except for what this grandmother tells us). But she's choosing to
see her family through the eyes of a school system, and that really
rots.
I can imagine my mother-in-law seeing my family through the same
eyes. When we are around her, we are full of life and Love and
conversations and questions, and reading and asking and observing and
Joy. But she STILL asks, "So...how's homeschooling going??"
They just don't get it...and I think it's important to point out that
living a fulfilling joyful life is the goal of adults...why not the
goal of children, also?
~ Anne
I'm Anne...AnneO to those of you who know me from the boards at
unschooling.com.
Just looking for a little unschooling chatting action today as I have
some time, and the boards are pretty slow...so I meandered over
here...
***--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., PSoroosh@a... wrote:
> This is a letter I received and that I need to respond to ---- anyfunction in society?***
> suggestions?...> How is this child ever going to be able to
Are these children not already functioning in society? It seems the
grandmother is asking school-related questions and seeing her
grandchildren's education through the school system's eyes...but if
her bottom line question is what she asked above, "How is this child
ever going to be able to function in society?" then I would point out
to her that it seems like that's exactly what they are doing.
***> While they have a very loving household, as far as their
> education, this borders on child abuse!***This is really interesting. Again. What's her bottom line? One end
of the sentence says they have a very loving household, the next is
screaming child abuse? If she looked at this family with through the
eyes of a loving grandmother, she would see Love and Success and Joy
(which I am only assuming is true, as we know nothing of this family
except for what this grandmother tells us). But she's choosing to
see her family through the eyes of a school system, and that really
rots.
I can imagine my mother-in-law seeing my family through the same
eyes. When we are around her, we are full of life and Love and
conversations and questions, and reading and asking and observing and
Joy. But she STILL asks, "So...how's homeschooling going??"
They just don't get it...and I think it's important to point out that
living a fulfilling joyful life is the goal of adults...why not the
goal of children, also?
~ Anne
Karin
> I'm Anne...AnneO to those of you who know me from the boards atHow wonderful to see you here, Anneo!
> unschooling.com.
Welcome! :o)
Karin
Fetteroll
In addition to what everyone else has said, how about rather than dwelling
on what they don't know, how about finding out what they do know. What do
they like to do? What kind of activities are they involved with? What types
of things do they do with their mom during the day?
I'd point out that despite what schools lead us to believe, the skills she
mentioned aren't skills that take 12 years to master. In fact the older
someone is the faster they pick the skills up, learning in days and weeks
rather than months and years because they have real life experience to
relate the formal information to.
It's only in school when kids are forced to learn things without needing to
use them in their lives that learning is difficult. And it's also only in
school that kids can't pick up skills later because 1) the teachers have
moved on and can't back up, 2) they're convinced by years of failure that
they can't do it or they're dumb or it's too hard, and 3) they decide it's
dumb and the schools dumb out of self defense.
Without that pressure, learning is easy and natural.
Joyce
on what they don't know, how about finding out what they do know. What do
they like to do? What kind of activities are they involved with? What types
of things do they do with their mom during the day?
I'd point out that despite what schools lead us to believe, the skills she
mentioned aren't skills that take 12 years to master. In fact the older
someone is the faster they pick the skills up, learning in days and weeks
rather than months and years because they have real life experience to
relate the formal information to.
It's only in school when kids are forced to learn things without needing to
use them in their lives that learning is difficult. And it's also only in
school that kids can't pick up skills later because 1) the teachers have
moved on and can't back up, 2) they're convinced by years of failure that
they can't do it or they're dumb or it's too hard, and 3) they decide it's
dumb and the schools dumb out of self defense.
Without that pressure, learning is easy and natural.
Joyce
Diane
Wow! It's great to see you here, Anne! I've been meaning to get over to the
message boards, but good intentions have not led to action.
I missed you, and your calm acceptance of reality, whatever it brings.
:-) Diane
anneounschooler wrote:
message boards, but good intentions have not led to action.
I missed you, and your calm acceptance of reality, whatever it brings.
:-) Diane
anneounschooler wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I'm Anne...AnneO to those of you who know me from the boards at
> unschooling.com.
> Just looking for a little unschooling chatting action today as I have
> some time, and the boards are pretty slow...so I meandered over
> here...
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In a message dated 6/11/2002 12:29:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
PSoroosh@... writes
This is a letter I received and that I need to respond to ---- any >
knowledge in a "schooled" fashion and that they're just fine, it IS possible
that the parents aren't "into" strewing and that there IS a neglectful
atmosphere. Just because all of US are busy exposing our kids to wonderful
stuff, doesn't mean that everyone else does.
Kelly
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PSoroosh@... writes
This is a letter I received and that I need to respond to ---- any >
> suggestions?Although I agree that the grandmother is proably judging the children's
>
>
knowledge in a "schooled" fashion and that they're just fine, it IS possible
that the parents aren't "into" strewing and that there IS a neglectful
atmosphere. Just because all of US are busy exposing our kids to wonderful
stuff, doesn't mean that everyone else does.
Kelly
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Amy Thomlinson
I do know a family around where I live that has an 8
year old boy and a 5 year old girl and the parents
"homeschool", but I know that the only schooling the
kids get is from chores such as feeding the dog and
folding laundry and the parents don't incorporate any
creative teaching methods into it they just use the
kids as little slaves. The mother used to visit us
all the time when my kids were little but the last
time she visited my 3 year old wrote his name on the
wall and she was embarrassed because her kids didn't
know how to write their names yet so she hasn't been
back. I have often thought of contacting someone
about the situation (I know what goes on because I
live next door to this family) but would the
consequences be worse than the problem now. I finally
just decided it wasn't my business and since they stay
away from us I don't worry about it anymore
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year old boy and a 5 year old girl and the parents
"homeschool", but I know that the only schooling the
kids get is from chores such as feeding the dog and
folding laundry and the parents don't incorporate any
creative teaching methods into it they just use the
kids as little slaves. The mother used to visit us
all the time when my kids were little but the last
time she visited my 3 year old wrote his name on the
wall and she was embarrassed because her kids didn't
know how to write their names yet so she hasn't been
back. I have often thought of contacting someone
about the situation (I know what goes on because I
live next door to this family) but would the
consequences be worse than the problem now. I finally
just decided it wasn't my business and since they stay
away from us I don't worry about it anymore
--- kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/11/2002 12:29:47 AM Eastern__________________________________________________
> Daylight Time,
> PSoroosh@... writes
> This is a letter I received and that I need to
> respond to ---- any >
> > suggestions?
> >
> >
>
> Although I agree that the grandmother is proably
> judging the children's
> knowledge in a "schooled" fashion and that they're
> just fine, it IS possible
> that the parents aren't "into" strewing and that
> there IS a neglectful
> atmosphere. Just because all of US are busy exposing
> our kids to wonderful
> stuff, doesn't mean that everyone else does.
>
>
> Kelly
>
>
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it IS possible
BUT did this particular grandmother raise this
particular mother herself? Why didn't the mother
receive good parent patterning? Why hasn't an 11 year
old handled (possessed, spent) money? Is all this
really true? Or is it something else?
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> > that the parents aren't "into" strewing and thatAmen. Praise Dodd.
> > there IS a neglectful
> > atmosphere. Just because all of US are busy
> exposing
> > our kids to wonderful
> > stuff, doesn't mean that everyone else does.
> >
> > Kelly
BUT did this particular grandmother raise this
particular mother herself? Why didn't the mother
receive good parent patterning? Why hasn't an 11 year
old handled (possessed, spent) money? Is all this
really true? Or is it something else?
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In a message dated 6/11/02 8:18:05 PM, bearspawprint@... writes:
<< Amen. Praise Dodd. >>
Are you trying to get me crucified!?
<< Amen. Praise Dodd. >>
Are you trying to get me crucified!?
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In a message dated 6/11/02 8:18:05 PM, bearspawprint@... writes:
<< BUT did this particular grandmother raise this
particular mother herself? Why didn't the mother
receive good parent patterning? Why hasn't an 11 year
old handled (possessed, spent) money? Is all this
really true? Or is it something else? >>
Some people's parenting pattern involves having clean clothes laid out, going
to bed early, getting up, dressing, eating, brusing teeth, getting on the
bus; whatever; snack, homework, dinner, get ready for school tomorrow.
If all of "parenting" revolves around school, as it seemingly can for some
families, then what would they think "good parenting" would look like in the
absence of school?
No clothes laid out the night before? No go to bed early? No homework? No
basing privileges on grades?
What is left, in some people's minds, without school, is: nothing.
<< BUT did this particular grandmother raise this
particular mother herself? Why didn't the mother
receive good parent patterning? Why hasn't an 11 year
old handled (possessed, spent) money? Is all this
really true? Or is it something else? >>
Some people's parenting pattern involves having clean clothes laid out, going
to bed early, getting up, dressing, eating, brusing teeth, getting on the
bus; whatever; snack, homework, dinner, get ready for school tomorrow.
If all of "parenting" revolves around school, as it seemingly can for some
families, then what would they think "good parenting" would look like in the
absence of school?
No clothes laid out the night before? No go to bed early? No homework? No
basing privileges on grades?
What is left, in some people's minds, without school, is: nothing.
Sharon Rudd
> << Amen. Praise Dodd. >>Good grief NO. Don't put thoughts like that in
>
> Are you trying to get me crucified!?
people's minds.....yech! Yech. Blah. Bad taste.
Am going to bush teeth, now.
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In a message dated 6/11/02 8:28:13 PM, bearspawprint@... writes:
<< Am going to bush teeth, now. >>
Another tree comment!?
(JUST JOKING.)
I kinda fear the Dodd jokes because I kinda fear crazy people and I'm afraid
they'll trigger someone's... well.... craziness.
On the other hand, if they're already ready to jump all over me for something
that exists mostly in their own heads...
Maybe I ought to go take a whole long shower and think lovely thoughts.
Each of my kids has been very nice to me today in one way or another. It's
been good. Holly also had a kind of screaming melt-down and I yelled at her
that if she hadn't fallen and she wasn't bleeding to stop screaming, to get
out, and I'd be down there with her food SOON, but that I had been doing
something fun with Kirby and Marty and she wasn't the only kid I had.
But other than THAT embarrassing bit of candor it was a good day.
Sandra
<< Am going to bush teeth, now. >>
Another tree comment!?
(JUST JOKING.)
I kinda fear the Dodd jokes because I kinda fear crazy people and I'm afraid
they'll trigger someone's... well.... craziness.
On the other hand, if they're already ready to jump all over me for something
that exists mostly in their own heads...
Maybe I ought to go take a whole long shower and think lovely thoughts.
Each of my kids has been very nice to me today in one way or another. It's
been good. Holly also had a kind of screaming melt-down and I yelled at her
that if she hadn't fallen and she wasn't bleeding to stop screaming, to get
out, and I'd be down there with her food SOON, but that I had been doing
something fun with Kirby and Marty and she wasn't the only kid I had.
But other than THAT embarrassing bit of candor it was a good day.
Sandra
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I just had a couple of things to add regarding this grandmother's letter...
First, doesn't it sound like she's been "quizzing" the kids when mom's not
around? Does anyone else have that problem? My mother is NOT supportive of
homeschooling. One of the first things I told her after we made our decision
was that we would not tolerate having the kids quizzed. To my mind, it seems
like a sneaky thing to do. I think it also demonstrates to the kids that
grandma doesn't trust mom & dad's judgment. I know my kids would definitely
pick up on that. It seems to me that if grandma spent her time with the kids
just enjoying them and helping to show them what life is all about (after
all, she does have a unique perspective since she's older than mom and dad),
she'd see how bright and happy they are, and wouldn't feel the need to test
their knowledge. Also, if Grandma IS quizzing them, maybe they just don't
want to answer her questions. Perhaps they sense the tension, and would
rather talk about something else.
I do think, in today's very busy world, that I'd feel more comfortable if the
kids all knew their address and phone number. And maybe the girl does know
them. After all, grandma isn't around her 24/7. Just because she hasn't
heard the girl demonstrate the knowledge doesn't mean it's not there.
I can relate to the non-supportive grandmother thing, but if my mother wrote
someone a letter like that about my family, I'd be very, very angry. I hope
this family can get it all worked out. : (
pax.
Athena
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First, doesn't it sound like she's been "quizzing" the kids when mom's not
around? Does anyone else have that problem? My mother is NOT supportive of
homeschooling. One of the first things I told her after we made our decision
was that we would not tolerate having the kids quizzed. To my mind, it seems
like a sneaky thing to do. I think it also demonstrates to the kids that
grandma doesn't trust mom & dad's judgment. I know my kids would definitely
pick up on that. It seems to me that if grandma spent her time with the kids
just enjoying them and helping to show them what life is all about (after
all, she does have a unique perspective since she's older than mom and dad),
she'd see how bright and happy they are, and wouldn't feel the need to test
their knowledge. Also, if Grandma IS quizzing them, maybe they just don't
want to answer her questions. Perhaps they sense the tension, and would
rather talk about something else.
I do think, in today's very busy world, that I'd feel more comfortable if the
kids all knew their address and phone number. And maybe the girl does know
them. After all, grandma isn't around her 24/7. Just because she hasn't
heard the girl demonstrate the knowledge doesn't mean it's not there.
I can relate to the non-supportive grandmother thing, but if my mother wrote
someone a letter like that about my family, I'd be very, very angry. I hope
this family can get it all worked out. : (
pax.
Athena
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Pam,
I don't know how a grandmother could really understand what these kids
know.
She says they have a loving household and it just doesn't make sense that
in a loving house hold these kids would be neglected.
So, the only thing I can think is that she doesn't understand about, or
more likely doesn't want to understand, natural learning.
I'm guessing she has a picture of learning in her mind that is school or
school at home and since she hasn't seen "school" she isn't seeing
learning.
A friend recently commented on an unschooling friend's child who isn't
reading yet, at ten. I asked her to tell me all the reasons a child of
ten needed to read. For pleasure? Parents can read to kids. For
safety? A child of ten can't legally be left alone in her state therefor
not being able to read "Drano" vs "Milk" is a silly argument, unless the
child is a toddler. Not to mention non reading children have astounding
memories and function at their own homes with ease. For what then?
Kids are made to read early in school for the convenience of teachers,
not for the benefit of the children. They have to be able to send home
those worksheets so everyone can see the learning.
About the address and 'phone number. I think everyone agrees for safety
reasons kids need to know these, but young unschoolers are always with a
parent. At these ages, they probably can't even be at the public pool
without a parent, so from the parent's perspective, short of abduction,
these kids won't be in a situation where they need to find their way home
by themselves. And let's face it, how many abducted kids get the chance
to 'phone home? Knowing address and 'phone number can't keep kids safe
from bad guys. Good guys would look it up for a kid. This is one more
thing someone else says is important, and we all jump on. When our kids
are out by themselves, then yes, it's good to know, but at young ages,
when they're always with a parent?
I don't believe these kids would know nothing about money. But, if it's
true, so what? Are they working yet? Paying taxes? Grocery shopping
for the entire family on their own? What are the real reasons kids need
to know about money, before they're on their own? Mostly for the
convenience of parents. In a few years these kids will know more about
money than Granny.
My son didn't learn to walk until he was about fifteen months old. He
was always in my arms. But when he wanted down, he learned to walk just
fine. If it's true and these kids don't know address or money, then I'd
say it's because they have attentive parents, and don't yet have the need
to know.
I don't know what you can tell this grandmother. When people have only
one idea of what learning is, how do you give them another in one brief
letter?
Deb L, no help at all, sorry.
I don't know how a grandmother could really understand what these kids
know.
She says they have a loving household and it just doesn't make sense that
in a loving house hold these kids would be neglected.
So, the only thing I can think is that she doesn't understand about, or
more likely doesn't want to understand, natural learning.
I'm guessing she has a picture of learning in her mind that is school or
school at home and since she hasn't seen "school" she isn't seeing
learning.
A friend recently commented on an unschooling friend's child who isn't
reading yet, at ten. I asked her to tell me all the reasons a child of
ten needed to read. For pleasure? Parents can read to kids. For
safety? A child of ten can't legally be left alone in her state therefor
not being able to read "Drano" vs "Milk" is a silly argument, unless the
child is a toddler. Not to mention non reading children have astounding
memories and function at their own homes with ease. For what then?
Kids are made to read early in school for the convenience of teachers,
not for the benefit of the children. They have to be able to send home
those worksheets so everyone can see the learning.
About the address and 'phone number. I think everyone agrees for safety
reasons kids need to know these, but young unschoolers are always with a
parent. At these ages, they probably can't even be at the public pool
without a parent, so from the parent's perspective, short of abduction,
these kids won't be in a situation where they need to find their way home
by themselves. And let's face it, how many abducted kids get the chance
to 'phone home? Knowing address and 'phone number can't keep kids safe
from bad guys. Good guys would look it up for a kid. This is one more
thing someone else says is important, and we all jump on. When our kids
are out by themselves, then yes, it's good to know, but at young ages,
when they're always with a parent?
I don't believe these kids would know nothing about money. But, if it's
true, so what? Are they working yet? Paying taxes? Grocery shopping
for the entire family on their own? What are the real reasons kids need
to know about money, before they're on their own? Mostly for the
convenience of parents. In a few years these kids will know more about
money than Granny.
My son didn't learn to walk until he was about fifteen months old. He
was always in my arms. But when he wanted down, he learned to walk just
fine. If it's true and these kids don't know address or money, then I'd
say it's because they have attentive parents, and don't yet have the need
to know.
I don't know what you can tell this grandmother. When people have only
one idea of what learning is, how do you give them another in one brief
letter?
Deb L, no help at all, sorry.
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In a message dated 6/12/02 6:01:09 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:
<< A child of ten can't legally be left alone in her state therefor
not being able to read "Drano" vs "Milk" is a silly argument, unless the
child is a toddler. >>
Kids know drano from milk. And for totally pre-verbal kids, you lock Drano
up, not teach kids to read the label.
<<About the address and 'phone number. I think everyone agrees for safety
reasons kids need to know these, but young unschoolers are always with a
parent. >>
Good point.
My kids have given some daffy answers to people who ask them about
homeschooling. Some of the things they have said, if quoted back, would
sound like they've admitted not learning anything, or never being taught
anything. If the grandmother asked "Has your mom had you memorize your
address?" or "Has your mom taught you your address?" the kid might answer
"no" even if he knows the address perfectly well. Because maybe he doesn't
know the concept "memorize" (which is a very schoolish term indeed, and kind
of a stupid word if you look at it objectively) and maybe his mom did not
teach him his address, but he sees it on the house every day and knows what
street he lives on and so he just KNOWS his address.
<<Knowing address and 'phone number can't keep kids safe
from bad guys. Good guys would look it up for a kid. This is one more
thing someone else says is important, and we all jump on.>>
My paranoid scenario for kids not knowing their address was that when we
moved my boys were eight and eleven. We don't register. If they were out in
the daytime going to Hollywood Video or the grocery store, which were a block
and three outside our back gate without crossing major streets, and if a
policeman asked where they lived and they didn't know, it would not be a good
first impression for them being brought home during school hours.
Sandra
<< A child of ten can't legally be left alone in her state therefor
not being able to read "Drano" vs "Milk" is a silly argument, unless the
child is a toddler. >>
Kids know drano from milk. And for totally pre-verbal kids, you lock Drano
up, not teach kids to read the label.
<<About the address and 'phone number. I think everyone agrees for safety
reasons kids need to know these, but young unschoolers are always with a
parent. >>
Good point.
My kids have given some daffy answers to people who ask them about
homeschooling. Some of the things they have said, if quoted back, would
sound like they've admitted not learning anything, or never being taught
anything. If the grandmother asked "Has your mom had you memorize your
address?" or "Has your mom taught you your address?" the kid might answer
"no" even if he knows the address perfectly well. Because maybe he doesn't
know the concept "memorize" (which is a very schoolish term indeed, and kind
of a stupid word if you look at it objectively) and maybe his mom did not
teach him his address, but he sees it on the house every day and knows what
street he lives on and so he just KNOWS his address.
<<Knowing address and 'phone number can't keep kids safe
from bad guys. Good guys would look it up for a kid. This is one more
thing someone else says is important, and we all jump on.>>
My paranoid scenario for kids not knowing their address was that when we
moved my boys were eight and eleven. We don't register. If they were out in
the daytime going to Hollywood Video or the grocery store, which were a block
and three outside our back gate without crossing major streets, and if a
policeman asked where they lived and they didn't know, it would not be a good
first impression for them being brought home during school hours.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
>I don't know about Drano, but both my older kids were caught as toddlers
>
>Kids know drano from milk. And for totally pre-verbal kids, you lock Drano
>up, not teach kids to read the label.
about to drink ammonia that their grandmother refused to lock up. I can't
even imagine thinking about drinking it.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
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On Vancouver Island
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--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
have been reading posts for weeks. Everyone seemed like such perfect
parents I was afraid to post and reveal my faults. Thanks for some
much needed candor.
I am quite new to the concept of unschooling. I think I am getting it
but I still have some insecurities at times. Most of the time I am
just amazed by their interests and how intense they are when they
discover something. They were in the public school system until this
year. (Daughter - 12, son - 9, son - almost 8, and one who never
experienced school daughter - 3.)
We began with school at home. What a disaster. Then we began to
relax, and take a more eclectic approach. Now I am learning to "Trust
the Children."
I enjoy everyone's posts.
Kathy
>Holly also had a kind of screaming melt-down and I yelled at her
> that if she hadn't fallen and she wasn't bleeding to stopscreaming, to get
> out, and I'd be down there with her food SOON, but that I had beendoing
> something fun with Kirby and Marty and she wasn't the only kid Ihad.
>Thanks Sandra, now I am ready to introduce myself to the group. I
have been reading posts for weeks. Everyone seemed like such perfect
parents I was afraid to post and reveal my faults. Thanks for some
much needed candor.
I am quite new to the concept of unschooling. I think I am getting it
but I still have some insecurities at times. Most of the time I am
just amazed by their interests and how intense they are when they
discover something. They were in the public school system until this
year. (Daughter - 12, son - 9, son - almost 8, and one who never
experienced school daughter - 3.)
We began with school at home. What a disaster. Then we began to
relax, and take a more eclectic approach. Now I am learning to "Trust
the Children."
I enjoy everyone's posts.
Kathy
>
Sharon Rudd
>Just a typo. If I were clever perhaps I could make it
> << Am going to bush teeth, now. >>
>
> Another tree comment!?
>
> (JUST JOKING.)
political. XDH's West Virginian grandfather used to
say "Oh bush!!" when something seemed to be what other
folks called hogwash or other animal-related smelly
terms.
................
> I kinda fear the Dodd jokes because I kinda fearIt is, perhaps, a valid fear, especially with the
> crazy people and I'm afraid
> they'll trigger someone's... well.... craziness.
>
> On the other hand, if they're already ready to jump
> all over me for something
> that exists mostly in their own heads...
current (always, forever) fundamentalist fervor. I'll
stop :-)
Sharon of the Swamp
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From: "writing4health" <writing4health@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: help with responding
Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2002, 9:52 AM
I
have been reading posts for weeks. Everyone seemed like such perfect
parents I was afraid to post and reveal my faults.
---------- ---------- ----------
Paraphrased (loosely, memory faulty) from Bull Durham: "Perfection is
boring. It's also fascist. Don't throw all strikes. Throw some base hits,
it's more democratic." (Crash to Nuke on the pitcher's mound).
I've heard the "perfect" idea before -- either expressed kindly and honestly
like Kathy did above, with concern that she wasn't going to "measure up" --
but also with mega snarkiness ("Well, YOU may be a perfect parent with
perfect kids who never needs to spank, but I'm NOT!" -- the fact that I nod
agreeably to this never seems to calm them down for some reason <g>).
Nobody's perfect. Not even me. <eg> I think what maybe separates a lot of
unschoolers is that when perfection is lacking, we don't automatically start
blaming the kids for our short tempers, or failings (as we all have) as
parents. Sometimes, my children's behavior is rude and inconsiderate. But
sometimes, mine is. Being willing to admit that, to work through it and try
to do better, may be as close to perfection as any of us can hope for.
Pam
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From: "writing4health" <writing4health@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: help with responding
Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2002, 9:52 AM
I
have been reading posts for weeks. Everyone seemed like such perfect
parents I was afraid to post and reveal my faults.
---------- ---------- ----------
Paraphrased (loosely, memory faulty) from Bull Durham: "Perfection is
boring. It's also fascist. Don't throw all strikes. Throw some base hits,
it's more democratic." (Crash to Nuke on the pitcher's mound).
I've heard the "perfect" idea before -- either expressed kindly and honestly
like Kathy did above, with concern that she wasn't going to "measure up" --
but also with mega snarkiness ("Well, YOU may be a perfect parent with
perfect kids who never needs to spank, but I'm NOT!" -- the fact that I nod
agreeably to this never seems to calm them down for some reason <g>).
Nobody's perfect. Not even me. <eg> I think what maybe separates a lot of
unschoolers is that when perfection is lacking, we don't automatically start
blaming the kids for our short tempers, or failings (as we all have) as
parents. Sometimes, my children's behavior is rude and inconsiderate. But
sometimes, mine is. Being willing to admit that, to work through it and try
to do better, may be as close to perfection as any of us can hope for.
Pam
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sharon Rudd
> but both my older kidsMakes my heart stop. Ammonia. WHO caught them, in
> were caught as toddlers
> about to drink ammonia that their grandmother
> refused to lock up. I can't
> even imagine thinking about drinking it.
time? Did she store it safely or get rid of it after
that?
Workshops, studios (paints, glues, cutters of various
sorts, etc), and garages, and farm stuff are
dangerous, too.Sewing machines...Little Sister sewed
her hand in Mother's machine ( a horror movie, surreal
looking mess) I kept mine unplugged with no needle,
and the treadle machine with the belt off and the
machine closed up. Seems like I just had to hover
within a few feet of my boys until they were 4 or 5,
then they still had to be where I could hear them and
be able to tell what their tone of voice or the
activity noises signified.
That ammonia gives me the shudders. Have you forgiven
the children's grandmother?
I still have to monitor Roy and his "chemistry"
concoctions....some of his ideas are potentially very
dangerous. He is just skillful enough to make
dangerous construction projects too. Exposed nails
sticking out, rickety structures, dagger-like
splinters...he's pretty good, but sometimes the
overall idea eclipses some of the (to him) details.
Sharon of the Swamp
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> Kids know drano from milk. And for totally pre-verbal kids, youExactly. Thank you.
> lock Drano
> up, not teach kids to read the label.
> My paranoid scenario for kids not knowing their address was thatI don't think that's paranoid, I think that's a good reason to know your
> when we
> moved my boys were eight and eleven. We don't register. If they
> were out in
> the daytime going to Hollywood Video or the grocery store, which
> were a block
> and three outside our back gate without crossing major streets, and
> if a
> policeman asked where they lived and they didn't know, it would not
> be a good
> first impression for them being brought home during school hours.
address and 'phone number, but not every kid will have a good reason at
eight and eleven. Dylan knew his early too because we live in a small
town, but if we lived in a city, where it wasn't safe to go out alone at
ten years old I don't know that it would have come up, that he should
have it memorized.
I really can't imagine that the eleven year old doesn't know at least a
phone number, because she's probably stayed with friends and needed to
call home, or wanted to give a friend her number. So maybe grandma
didn't know how to ask the question, but if the eleven year old never
needed to call home, didn't ever use it, she might not remember it, even
if she knew it once. I sometimes forget my own number for a moment.
And if grandma asked in the middle of a movie or a video game maybe "I
don't know" was a shorter answer than 125 North Belmont, or what ever,
and grandma should have known better.
I'm a little irritated with grandmothers today. Can you tell? <g>
Deb L
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On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:53:25 -0600 ddzimlew@... writes:
is when arranging UPS or FedEx deliveries. The street we live on is a
dirt road that has three houses on it, and it's totally surrounded by
fields for at least a mile in every direction. The actual street sign
disappeared about a year ago and it hasn't been replaced, and no one
really cares - if you have a reason to come here, you know people living
here and they give you directions (Meghan found it just fine). The post
office doesn't deliver out here, we have a box, and I guess Rain knows
that address - Box 15 in Dunnigan, if anyone wants to send presents ;-)
She knows our her email address, though... And if she needed to tell
anyone in authority where she lived, I think she could be clear enough...
in a rural area like this, the rules are a little different. She knows
how to get here.
Dar
> I don't think that's paranoid, I think that's a good reason to knowyour
> address and 'phone number, but not every kid will have a good reason atI'm pretty sure Rain (9) doesn't know our address. The only time I use it
> eight and eleven.
is when arranging UPS or FedEx deliveries. The street we live on is a
dirt road that has three houses on it, and it's totally surrounded by
fields for at least a mile in every direction. The actual street sign
disappeared about a year ago and it hasn't been replaced, and no one
really cares - if you have a reason to come here, you know people living
here and they give you directions (Meghan found it just fine). The post
office doesn't deliver out here, we have a box, and I guess Rain knows
that address - Box 15 in Dunnigan, if anyone wants to send presents ;-)
She knows our her email address, though... And if she needed to tell
anyone in authority where she lived, I think she could be clear enough...
in a rural area like this, the rules are a little different. She knows
how to get here.
Dar
Dana Matt
> I really can't imagine that the eleven year oldYes, Lauren knows her phone# and address from just
> doesn't know at least a
> phone number, because she's probably stayed with
> friends and needed to
> call home, or wanted to give a friend her number.
hearing us repeat it to everyone. I always say "6145
Linck L-I-N-C-K Circle", because it's spelled weird,
and that is how she says it, too....not because we
taught her or because she's written it down. She's
never been away from us anywhere that she needed to
use the phone # to call home, and I don't think she's
ever dialed it, but she knows it, just from hearing
us. (I just asked her, to be sure, and she looked at
me funny and asked me why, and I told her my list was
having a conversation about whether or not kids knew
their #'s, and so she told me and then went back to
her cartoon--she's thinks I'm looney, though!:) On
that same note, I still remember my dad's car phone #
when I was a kid...even though I never called it. You
couldn't dial direct, so you had to ask for a mobile
operator and tell him/her the number, so I heard my
mother repeating it. She never did have it memorized,
and can't believe I still know it--JR38007128 ;)
Dana
Montana Mama
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In a message dated 6/12/02 12:49:06 PM, freeform@... writes:
<< 'm pretty sure Rain (9) doesn't know our address. The only time I use it
is when arranging UPS or FedEx deliveries. >>
I grew up in a house without an address. The directions to my house,
though, I did know. It was "8/10 of a mile down Lower San Pedro Road, next
to the second dirt road, by the Sanchez's."
Honestly, that worked perfectly. There were no dirt roads to the right,
because the Rio Grande was past the back fields of everyone on the west side
of the road, so "by the dirt road" indicated that we were on the left/east
side. And there were only two dirt roads connecting upper and lower San
Pedro, both of which were a mile long. So 8/10 of a mile meant it was NOT
"Middle San Pedro" (which was a dirt road wide enough for two cars) but was
the second dirt road (a one-lane).
But I knew my phone number always. <g>
Sandra
<< 'm pretty sure Rain (9) doesn't know our address. The only time I use it
is when arranging UPS or FedEx deliveries. >>
I grew up in a house without an address. The directions to my house,
though, I did know. It was "8/10 of a mile down Lower San Pedro Road, next
to the second dirt road, by the Sanchez's."
Honestly, that worked perfectly. There were no dirt roads to the right,
because the Rio Grande was past the back fields of everyone on the west side
of the road, so "by the dirt road" indicated that we were on the left/east
side. And there were only two dirt roads connecting upper and lower San
Pedro, both of which were a mile long. So 8/10 of a mile meant it was NOT
"Middle San Pedro" (which was a dirt road wide enough for two cars) but was
the second dirt road (a one-lane).
But I knew my phone number always. <g>
Sandra