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In a message dated 5/14/02 12:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<< mild summers
no ticks
snow in winter
unschoolers
cheap houses
public transport
no testing or curriculum required
>>

I swear you're describing Alaska to a "T".....you didn't say mild winters.
Ren

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In a message dated 5/14/02 12:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<< cheap houses >>

Oh, never mind Shyrley....I missed that one!!!
But they don't have any taxes really....just property and they give you
$1,000 per year (roughly) per person as a resident.
Houses are really, really expensive.

Let's see....here in Pensacola we can give you most of your list, but nix the
snow in winter. You could always drive a day to get to snow, TN would be a
good location for getting away from the sunshine and beaches!!!
Ren

Cottonwood Farm

Sounds like northern New Mexico is your place! Mountains of Colorado just a hop and a skip-----unschoolers dream-----reasonable housing (although it's getting higher each year)-------no ticks----beautiful place(althoughwe're currently in an extreme drought) tlive!
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In a message dated 5/14/02 12:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< mild summers
no ticks
snow in winter
unschoolers
cheap houses
public transport
no testing or curriculum required
>>

I swear you're describing Alaska to a "T".....you didn't say mild winters.
Ren

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Kate Green

>
> Let's see....here in Pensacola we can give you most of your list, but nix
the
> snow in winter. You could always drive a day to get to snow, TN would be a
> good location for getting away from the sunshine and beaches!!!
> Ren


Well TN I can say has lots of sunshine in the summer and terrible humidity
and mosquitoes so nix that. It is pretty though. But the harrassment by
fundamentalists used to get to me:)

Kate

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In a message dated 5/14/02 10:10:59 PM, angus@... writes:

-=-Sounds like northern New Mexico is your place! Mountains of Colorado just
a hop and a skip-----unschoolers dream-----reasonable housing (although it's
getting higher each year)-------no ticks----beautiful place(althoughwe're
currently in an extreme drought) to live!-=-




And Sandra who grew up in Espanols points out that
<< public transport >> was on that list!!
(But it is not in northern New Mexico, nor in southern Colorado, although
they do fit the rest of the checklist!)

Sharon Rudd

TN has ticks, too.

Sharon of the Swamp

--- Kate Green <karegree@...> wrote:
> >
> > Let's see....here in Pensacola we can give you
> most of your list, but nix
> the
> > snow in winter. You could always drive a day to
> get to snow, TN would be a
> > good location for getting away from the sunshine
> and beaches!!!
> > Ren
>
>
> Well TN I can say has lots of sunshine in the summer
> and terrible humidity
> and mosquitoes so nix that. It is pretty though. But
> the harrassment by
> fundamentalists used to get to me:)
>
> Kate
>
>


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There are real estate adds in the back of Mother Earth
News which include this area. Sounds good to me, too.
:-) . No ticks.....really? What about biting flies?
And water. Isn't water getting less? Los Angeles, or
someplace, is draining it all away? I thought the SW
was overpopulated for the environment. Like South
Florida. Is that a myth? Just wondering. New Mexico
and/or Arizona have always been my fantasies of
perfect places to live.

Sharon of the Swamp

--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/14/02 10:10:59 PM,
> angus@... writes:
>
> -=-Sounds like northern New Mexico is your place!
> Mountains of Colorado just
> a hop and a skip-----unschoolers
> dream-----reasonable housing (although it's
> getting higher each year)-------no
> ticks----beautiful place(althoughwe're
> currently in an extreme drought) to live!-=-
>
>
>
>
> And Sandra who grew up in Espanols points out that
> << public transport >> was on that list!!
> (But it is not in northern New Mexico, nor in
> southern Colorado, although
> they do fit the rest of the checklist!)
>
>


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In a message dated 5/15/02 9:49:56 AM, bearspawprint@... writes:

<< I thought the SW
was overpopulated for the environment. Like South
Florida. Is that a myth? >>

It's true in some parts.

Because of drought, Albuquerque looks about to be needing to start using
treated river water for city water instead of ground or reservoir. People
downstream are not going to like that, because the Rio Grande is argued over
all the time. Most of what we use will go back in, but some will evaporate
away.

It rained hard yesterday for an hour or more. Two hours later, there were
some wet places on the ground (not puddles, and not mud, but wet). Other
parts of the yard, where there was no roof runoff or collection, we could
still kick the ground and it was dry. Not as dry as if nothing had happened,
but still dusty dry.

Ground that was set up for plants did collect water for them, and that was
great.

Some people can't handle coming to such a dry place. There are whole new
tricks to learn. Don't make sandwiches in advance unless you're coving them
immediately. Putting bread in a bag might not keep it moist if you don't
take most of the air out of the bag too.

But ticks are rare where I am and where I've lived. If you have a barn full
of hay or live in wet woods (also rare) you might get them. I pulled dozens
of ticks out of cats' ears when we got barn-kittens a couple of years ago.
We might find one on the dog once in a while if we've been to the mountains
for a few days.

No earthquakes or volcanos expected. No hurricanes. <g> No tornados except
in SE New Mexico, pretty much (Carlsbad, Roswell, Hobbs), and they're rare
there.

Sandra

Shyrley

On 14 May 02, at 18:47, starsuncloud@... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/14/02 12:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << mild summers
> no ticks
> snow in winter
> unschoolers
> cheap houses
> public transport
> no testing or curriculum required
> >>
>
> I swear you're describing Alaska to a "T".....you didn't say mild
> winters. Ren
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Shyrley

On 15 May 02, at 0:22, SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 5/14/02 10:10:59 PM, angus@... writes:
>
> -=-Sounds like northern New Mexico is your place! Mountains of
> Colorado just a hop and a skip-----unschoolers dream-----reasonable
> housing (although it's getting higher each year)-------no
> ticks----beautiful place(althoughwe're currently in an extreme
> drought) to live!-=-
>
Isn't it hot n humid inna summer?

> And Sandra who grew up in Espanols points out that
> << public transport >> was on that list!!
> (But it is not in northern New Mexico, nor in southern Colorado,
> although they do fit the rest of the checklist!)
>
>
Maybe I'll add to our list. DH works as a mathematician/physicist,
mainly in defence. Find us some top secret base and we'll work
there :-)

Shyrley the homesick
"Common sense is what tells you that the world is flat"

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In a message dated 5/15/02 5:04:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< Maybe I'll add to our list. DH works as a mathematician/physicist,
mainly in defence. Find us some top secret base and we'll work
there :-) >>


The more you write Shyrley, the more I see the Alaskan in you!!! Sheesh, are
you crazy? LOL
It's very dry in the interior (Fairbanks area) in the summer...I mean DRY.
Winters are very cold, very dry and very long.
In the summer you have light all night and enough of it to grow really
humongous things in your garden.
Let's see.....
There is at least one unschooler at unschooling.com (she's in Wasilla though,
where it rains a lot) and my sis who is a relaxed homeschooler is moving
there in June.
A lot of hippy/eclectic types are drawn to Alaska, I love it for that.
Outdoor adventure types love it there too.
The winters down by Wasilla and Anchorage are milder (cold wise. 40 below
would be rare) and less snow. Rainier too. But absolutely breathtaking
mountains surround you.
Um, lots of military goings on.
Elmendorf AFB, Eilson AFB and Ft. Wainright are the ones I know of...but
there are others.
There is public transportation in Fairbanks and Anchorage for sure, not too
sure about Wasilla.
Cheap housing? Not a chance.
But again, no taxes hardly and they give you that permanent fund money every
year.
The wages are also really much better up there.
I think you have some Alaska blood mixed in with that English!!
Ren

Karin

> There are real estate adds in the back of Mother Earth
> News which include this area. Sounds good to me, too.
> :-) . No ticks.....really? What about biting flies?
> And water. Isn't water getting less? Los Angeles, or
> someplace, is draining it all away? I thought the SW
> was overpopulated for the environment. Like South
> Florida. Is that a myth? Just wondering. New Mexico
> and/or Arizona have always been my fantasies of
> perfect places to live.
>
> Sharon of the Swamp
>


We are having a bad drought in AZ right now.
There was barely any rain this winter/spring season.
The ski resort in Flagstaff, AZ was only open for 3 days this year - not
enough snow!
I don't think our overall water supply is in danger, but they're starting a
rationing system now for watering your yard (odd and even days.) But, I
think with a good rainy season, like we do get sometimes, we'll be in better
shape.
AZ is getting quite populated, too.
Last census showed the population at 5.1 million and 3 million just in the
Phoenix and surrounding area.
That's compared to 1.8 million in all of New Mexico.
There's always construction going on, freeway's being built, and even light
rail in the future.
The weather is beautiful for a large part of the year, but the summers are
very intense.
I do appreciate the monsoon/rainy season in the summer, though.
The humidity level is usually very dry, but does go up slightly in the
summer. It's not bad, though, compared to other really humid places.
Northern Arizona, like Flagstaff, is a nice escape in the summer with high's
usually in the 80's.
Here in Phoenix, bugs are rare, at least for us.
No ticks, no mosquitos (unless you live near a water source), no biting
flies, etc.
We do have the occasional scorpion, though, and some spiders.
We also don't get earthquakes, hurricanes, or tornadoes. The weather is
almost always agreeable - except for those darn summers! I'm bracing
myself - it's just around the corner. Well actually, we've already got temps
in the 100's. I guess it's here!

Karin

Suzanna and Darrell

> -=-Sounds like northern New Mexico is your place! Mountains of
> Colorado just a hop and a skip-----unschoolers dream-----reasonable
> housing (although it's getting higher each year)-------no
> ticks----beautiful place(althoughwe're currently in an extreme
> drought) to live!-=-


Hello!!...I have lived in New Mexico for 4 1/2 years. There are LOTS of
ticks here! When we first moved here I had to have the kids strip down every
time they came in the house so I could search them for ticks. Ticks were
even found crawling on the inside walls of our house occasionally. The only
thing that would get rid of them was diazanon. YUCK!

>Maybe I'll add to our list. DH works as a mathematician/physicist,
>mainly in defence. Find us some top secret base and we'll work
>there :-)

Well, there is Los Alimos here. (and Roswell)

Suzanna, who is leaving New Mexico today!

Kate Green

>>
>>
> Maybe I'll add to our list. DH works as a mathematician/physicist,
> mainly in defence. Find us some top secret base and we'll work
> there :-)
>
> Shyrley the homesick
>""
there is the big underground base in Colorado Springs. Physically that was
one of my favorite places to live (also had a nice British store and tea
shop:)

Kate

Kate Green

> There are whole new
> Don't make sandwiches in advance unless you're coving them
> Putting bread in a bag might not keep it moist if you don't
> take most of the air out of the bag too.

My mom lives in Barstow, CA and it's so dry there that elastic only lasts
about a year (makes keeping your socks and knickers up tricky:) Also some
of her antique wood furniture she brought out of England has cracked
because of the dryness. Nose bleeds, chapped lips....
But I still like dry rather than humidity.

Kate


>

> If you have a barn full
> I pulled dozens
>
> We might find one on the dog once in a while if we've been to the mountains
> for a few days.
>
> <> No tornados except
> in SE New Mexico, pretty much (Carlsbad, Roswell, Hobbs), and they're rare
>
>
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On 16 May 02, at 10:51, Kate Green wrote:

> >>
> >>
> > Maybe I'll add to our list. DH works as a mathematician/physicist,
> > mainly in defence. Find us some top secret base and we'll work there
> > :-)
> >
> > Shyrley the homesick
> >""
> there is the big underground base in Colorado Springs. Physically
> that was one of my favorite places to live (also had a nice British
> store and tea shop:)
>
> Kate
>

I heard about that. Mainly from Stargate ;-)
Amazing what you can find out from the TV.

Shyrley
"Common sense is what tells you that the world is flat"

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In a message dated 5/15/02 3:09:29 PM, shyrley.williams@... writes:

<< Isn't it hot n humid inna summer? >>

Never humid. Hot, but 90/100, not 106/112 like Phoenix.

The top secret work sites are LANL (Los Alamos), Sandia (Albuquerque--not
quite northern New Mexico in the geographical sense) or in C Spgs, NORAD and
related jazz.

If there are others, they're secret from me.

Sandra

Sharon Rudd

Hunstville, Alabama is pleasant. Has interesting
research facilities. Not too much snow, but sleet.
Good peaches in a good year.

Sharon of the Swamp

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>
> > Maybe I'll add to our list. DH works as a
> mathematician/physicist,
> > mainly in defence. Find us some top secret base
> and we'll work
> > there :-)
> >
> > Shyrley the homesick
> >""
> there is the big underground base in Colorado
> Springs. Physically that was
> one of my favorite places to live (also had a nice
> British store and tea
> shop:)
>
> Kate
>


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In a message dated 5/15/02 6:05:59 PM, curtkar@... writes:

<< We do have the occasional scorpion, though, and some spiders. >>

Oh, spiders. Those who have serious arachnaphobia need to scratch New Mexico
off the list. The spiders will never hunt you down, but we do have black
widows, and in Albuquerque brown recluse. I've been bitten by both. They
don't kill you (well, they didn't kill ME--I don't know whether some people
are more susceptible than others), but it's no little mosquito bite, either.

Of all the poisonous spiders in the world (only three or four kinds) we have
more than our share!

Sandra

Shyrley

On 16 May 02, at 7:43, Sharon Rudd wrote:

> Hunstville, Alabama is pleasant. Has interesting
> research facilities. Not too much snow, but sleet.
> Good peaches in a good year.
>
> Sharon of the Swamp
>
>
My husband went to the labs there last August. he said it was
unbelievably steamy. Nice town apparently but summer is
unplaesant all the way from April to November.
I should live at the north pole :-)

Shyrley
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In a message dated 5/16/02 12:37:45 AM, truealaskans@... writes:

<< Hello!!...I have lived in New Mexico for 4 1/2 years. There are LOTS of
ticks here! >>

Clovis, right? It's on the eastern plains. NOT representative of all of New
Mexico.
Practically Texas. <g>

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In a message dated 5/16/02 1:02:19 AM, karegree@... writes:

<< My mom lives in Barstow, CA and it's so dry there that elastic only lasts
about a year (makes keeping your socks and knickers up tricky:) >>

That's one reason I don't really like drying some kinds of laundry outside.
Bras I hang INside for sure. Using the dryer even is summer is better for
thins you don't want to get too stiff or wrinkly, because it dries with some
humidity maintained. If you take it out SLIGHTly damp, and hang it up or lay
it out, it will dry in minutes and not be wrinkly.

<<Also some
of her antique wood furniture she brought out of England has cracked
because of the dryness. >>

Cracks in furniture and musical instruments aren't natural and inevitable!?

Sandra

Nancy Wooton

on 5/16/02 7:45 AM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:

> Of all the poisonous spiders in the world (only three or four kinds) we have
> more than our share!

Aren't all spiders poisonous? I read somewhere (or my kids did, and told
me) that a daddy longlegs (though not a spider - thanks, Bill Nye) is the
most venomous creature you'll meet, but it's mouth is incapable of biting a
person, and the quantity of venom is very small; it's only a danger to bugs.
It's rather ethnocentric to think only in terms of what is poisonous to
humans <g>

Paranthetically,
Nancy

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In a message dated 5/16/02 10:00:51 AM, ikonstitcher@... writes:

<< It's rather ethnocentric to think only in terms of what is poisonous to
humans <g> >>

If spiders want to poison ants and cockroaches, I would leave coins under
their pillows!!!!

(Kind of specio-centric to think they wouldn't want money as much as WE do!!)

I'm as irrational and prejudiced as the next guy. I like prairie dogs, but
am lizard-neutral. I rejoice when sparrows run off a crow, but I like crows
better than pigeons. God made me this way. Perhaps God did it just to
irritate the rest of you.


Sandra

Tia Leschke

>Oh, spiders. Those who have serious arachnaphobia need to scratch New Mexico
>off the list. The spiders will never hunt you down, but we do have black
>widows, and in Albuquerque brown recluse. I've been bitten by both. They
>don't kill you (well, they didn't kill ME--I don't know whether some people
>are more susceptible than others), but it's no little mosquito bite, either.

Those two must be almost everywhere. Apparently they're here in the
rainforest of Vancouver Island as well, though I've never actually seen one.
Tia

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Sharon Rudd

>
> << We do have the occasional scorpion, though, and
> some spiders. >>
The spiders will never hunt you down,
> but we do have black
> widows, and ...... brown recluse. >

We have all of those, too

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> Sandia (Albuquerque--not
> quite northern New Mexico in the geographical sense)


The biggest (?) oceanography research facility is
located in a state with NO ocean :-)


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In a message dated 5/16/02 12:03:27 PM, bearspawprint@... writes:

<< The biggest (?) oceanography research facility is
located in a state with NO ocean :-) >>

And I just read yesterday in the National Parks Magazine, in an article about
the USS Arizona memorial in Peark Harbor that the National Park Service's
Submerged Resources Center is in Santa Fe.

Santa Fe isn't even on the Rio Grande. It's above any natural water. <g>

So goes government research.


Sandra

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(Some of this may be a duplicate--the first e-mail was sludgy and
unconfirmed, and I had also misspelled "Pearl" and "Peark" so I added more
anyway...)

<< The biggest (?) oceanography research facility is
located in a state with NO ocean :-) >>

And I just read yesterday in the National Parks Magazine, in an article about
the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbor that the National Park Service's
Submerged Resources Center is in Santa Fe.

Santa Fe isn't even on the Rio Grande. It's above any natural water. <g>

So goes government research.

Cool term from that article, though: biofouling

-----The survey expanded to include a study of the chemical environment of
the ship, including the layer of biofouling--marine organisms mixed with
products of corrosion--that covers it "like a thick scab," according to Dan
Lenihan, an archaeologist and veteran SRC diver who has worked on the project
since its inception.------

That's from National Parks, November/December 2001
("The Magazine of the National Parks Conservation Association" which my
in-laws get and give us with their other old magazines.)


Sandra

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(Some of this may be a duplicate--the first e-mail was sludgy and
unconfirmed, and I had also misspelled "Pearl" and "Peark" so I added more
anyway...)

<< The biggest (?) oceanography research facility is
located in a state with NO ocean :-) >>

And I just read yesterday in the National Parks Magazine, in an article about
the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbor that the National Park Service's
Submerged Resources Center is in Santa Fe.

Santa Fe isn't even on the Rio Grande. It's above any natural water. <g>

So goes government research.

Cool term from that article, though: biofouling

-----The survey expanded to include a study of the chemical environment of
the ship, including the layer of biofouling--marine organisms mixed with
products of corrosion--that covers it "like a thick scab," according to Dan
Lenihan, an archaeologist and veteran SRC diver who has worked on the project
since its inception.------

That's from National Parks, November/December 2001
("The Magazine of the National Parks Conservation Association" which my
in-laws get and give us with their other old magazines.)


Sandra