Intentional Community
Julie Stauffer
Hi Nanci K.,
Congratulations!!
If you would feel comfortable doing so, would you expound some on your
intentional community? I find the subject fascinating.
Julie
Congratulations!!
If you would feel comfortable doing so, would you expound some on your
intentional community? I find the subject fascinating.
Julie
Julie Stauffer
I would love to know more about this. Can you talk with us about it? Off
list if the others aren't interested? Or perhaps suggest some resources to
learn more?
Julie
list if the others aren't interested? Or perhaps suggest some resources to
learn more?
Julie
Nanci Kuykendall
This is for everyone who contacted me, on and off
list, about Intentional Community. ICs have been
around since Buddah's day and probably before. Most
though, were about religion, then politics. There is
a modern resurgance in the last 30 years of the
movement internationally to create communities solely
as a social change to create and sustain better lives.
It began with counter cultural communes in the 70's,
but continues today with all types of communities.
Communes are identified by egalitarian principles
(total income sharing) and often a shared ideology
and/or faith. They often have a charismatic
figurhead.
But Intentional Communities are very much more than
communes, which is only one specific type of
community, just like rye is one type of bread. The
movement in this country is growing at a feverish
pace. CoHousing is particularly big. It is a Swedish
concept that Americans are embracing. CoHousing is
identified by the "balance the traditional advantages
of home ownership with the benefits of shared common
facilities and ongoing connections with your
neighbors" as it says at the CoHousing Network
Homepage. http://www.cohousing.org/ This is a good
resource for learning more about CoHousing and finding
groups, communities and individuals in your area.
The Intentional Communities website http://www.ic.org/
is a great place for information too. Their listing
of communities is very comprehensive and includes
CoHousing, group houses, urban cooperatives,
egalitiarian groups, and other types of communities.
Our community, Rain Dance Village on Cedar Hill, is
located here on our 16+ acres on the Olympic
Peninsula. We are in the Rain Shadow of the Olympics,
in the area which includes the islands in the Pugest
Sound and is known as the Banana Belt of the NW for
it's warm and temperate climate. It is warmer and
drier than Seattle and Olympia, but still a lush NW
forest. The Peninsula is 3/4 State and National
parks, and most of the privately owned land is very
undeveloped. But we are 20 minutes from Port Townsend
(which sounds a lot like that town folks we talking
about here recently - was it Virginia City?) PT is a
Victorian Seaport and home for a thriving arts
community, many local craftsmen, a rich wooden
shipbuilding tradition and school, and many eco-aware
and alternative folks. It's nothing to see a mom in a
restaurant breastfeeding a 4 year old here, or any
number of other nice alternative type stuff like that.
We are about an hour from Tacoma, an hour and a half
from Seattle and within that same distance radius to
many other areas around here, including the islands.
Anyway, we love it here. We are building a community
which has a permaculture and natural/eclogical focus,
building small natural and sustainable cottages and
growing organic food, recycling greywater and so
forth. We are committed to living in community and
are also building a community house in which we can
share group meals as desired and get together in other
ways. We are a continuum concept based village, with
all unschoolers so far, non-religious or political,
open minded, and concensus based. Other plans in the
works are a sweat lodge (designed by a Native American
family who are deeply involved in their heritage);
and a combined Bath House and Hot Tub, with an
adjoining "Garden Shed" with snack area, indoor lounge
and covered patio for busy gardeners to relax in.
We are sort of a hybrid, not quite CoHousing, since
members will not legally own their specific dwelling
and the land it sits on. Legally we are forming as a
Housing Cooperative, with each person/family owning a
share of the total community, which includes their
dwelling. This means we get to buy back someone's
shares who is leaving the community, and we choose who
to resell to based on someone who is a good fit in the
community. We are just getting started out here and
plan not to exceed a smallish, extended family style
village with a handfull of families.
Hope I answered the questions and provided the
information requested. If not, please let me know.
Nanci K.
list, about Intentional Community. ICs have been
around since Buddah's day and probably before. Most
though, were about religion, then politics. There is
a modern resurgance in the last 30 years of the
movement internationally to create communities solely
as a social change to create and sustain better lives.
It began with counter cultural communes in the 70's,
but continues today with all types of communities.
Communes are identified by egalitarian principles
(total income sharing) and often a shared ideology
and/or faith. They often have a charismatic
figurhead.
But Intentional Communities are very much more than
communes, which is only one specific type of
community, just like rye is one type of bread. The
movement in this country is growing at a feverish
pace. CoHousing is particularly big. It is a Swedish
concept that Americans are embracing. CoHousing is
identified by the "balance the traditional advantages
of home ownership with the benefits of shared common
facilities and ongoing connections with your
neighbors" as it says at the CoHousing Network
Homepage. http://www.cohousing.org/ This is a good
resource for learning more about CoHousing and finding
groups, communities and individuals in your area.
The Intentional Communities website http://www.ic.org/
is a great place for information too. Their listing
of communities is very comprehensive and includes
CoHousing, group houses, urban cooperatives,
egalitiarian groups, and other types of communities.
Our community, Rain Dance Village on Cedar Hill, is
located here on our 16+ acres on the Olympic
Peninsula. We are in the Rain Shadow of the Olympics,
in the area which includes the islands in the Pugest
Sound and is known as the Banana Belt of the NW for
it's warm and temperate climate. It is warmer and
drier than Seattle and Olympia, but still a lush NW
forest. The Peninsula is 3/4 State and National
parks, and most of the privately owned land is very
undeveloped. But we are 20 minutes from Port Townsend
(which sounds a lot like that town folks we talking
about here recently - was it Virginia City?) PT is a
Victorian Seaport and home for a thriving arts
community, many local craftsmen, a rich wooden
shipbuilding tradition and school, and many eco-aware
and alternative folks. It's nothing to see a mom in a
restaurant breastfeeding a 4 year old here, or any
number of other nice alternative type stuff like that.
We are about an hour from Tacoma, an hour and a half
from Seattle and within that same distance radius to
many other areas around here, including the islands.
Anyway, we love it here. We are building a community
which has a permaculture and natural/eclogical focus,
building small natural and sustainable cottages and
growing organic food, recycling greywater and so
forth. We are committed to living in community and
are also building a community house in which we can
share group meals as desired and get together in other
ways. We are a continuum concept based village, with
all unschoolers so far, non-religious or political,
open minded, and concensus based. Other plans in the
works are a sweat lodge (designed by a Native American
family who are deeply involved in their heritage);
and a combined Bath House and Hot Tub, with an
adjoining "Garden Shed" with snack area, indoor lounge
and covered patio for busy gardeners to relax in.
We are sort of a hybrid, not quite CoHousing, since
members will not legally own their specific dwelling
and the land it sits on. Legally we are forming as a
Housing Cooperative, with each person/family owning a
share of the total community, which includes their
dwelling. This means we get to buy back someone's
shares who is leaving the community, and we choose who
to resell to based on someone who is a good fit in the
community. We are just getting started out here and
plan not to exceed a smallish, extended family style
village with a handfull of families.
Hope I answered the questions and provided the
information requested. If not, please let me know.
Nanci K.
Liza Sabater
WOW!
So how do you work out the legalities?
How and by who was the land bought?
How many families are in your village?
Do you have to sign in for a number of years?
How much is it to each family? Are the houses the same?
Let's keep this thread going!
Liza, who lives in a space crunch in NYC
So how do you work out the legalities?
How and by who was the land bought?
How many families are in your village?
Do you have to sign in for a number of years?
How much is it to each family? Are the houses the same?
Let's keep this thread going!
Liza, who lives in a space crunch in NYC
>Our community, Rain Dance Village on Cedar Hill, is[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>located here on our 16+ acres on the Olympic
>Peninsula. We are in the Rain Shadow of the Olympics,
>in the area which includes the islands in the Pugest
>Sound and is known as the Banana Belt of the NW for
>it's warm and temperate climate. It is warmer and
>drier than Seattle and Olympia, but still a lush NW
>forest. The Peninsula is 3/4 State and National
>parks, and most of the privately owned land is very
>undeveloped. But we are 20 minutes from Port Townsend
>(which sounds a lot like that town folks we talking
>about here recently - was it Virginia City?) PT is a
>Victorian Seaport and home for a thriving arts
>community, many local craftsmen, a rich wooden
>shipbuilding tradition and school, and many eco-aware
>and alternative folks. It's nothing to see a mom in a
>restaurant breastfeeding a 4 year old here, or any
>number of other nice alternative type stuff like that.
Sharon Rudd
The following is the latest post from the local
"support" group. Sigh, a fun time for November.
Sharon of the Swamp
.......................................................
Would the end November be an acceptable time to have a
library day for
book
reports? The 28th is Thanksgiving. We could schedule
it for the week
before? Is Monday or Tuesday better?
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"support" group. Sigh, a fun time for November.
Sharon of the Swamp
.......................................................
Would the end November be an acceptable time to have a
library day for
book
reports? The 28th is Thanksgiving. We could schedule
it for the week
before? Is Monday or Tuesday better?
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Deborah Lewis
Maybe she should do a book report on why kids should do book reports.
Make it a long one... give her a time limit...
Deb L
Make it a long one... give her a time limit...
Deb L
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/22/02 10:06:05 AM, bearspawprint@... writes:
<< Would the end November be an acceptable time to have a
library day for
book
reports? >>
HEY, though...
a book report can be song and dance! Puppets! Dramatic reading!
The story of how the kid found the book, and what other books are on the
shelf near it, and what could be had through inter-library loan!
I want to go to that book report day!!
I would do why Christians fear Harry Potter, but have embraced Lord of the
Rings. (Same reason most country & western music is re-tread rock'n'roll
from a dozen years before, because they're socially ass-back'ards and
fearful.)
Put me in, coach!!!!
Sandra
<< Would the end November be an acceptable time to have a
library day for
book
reports? >>
HEY, though...
a book report can be song and dance! Puppets! Dramatic reading!
The story of how the kid found the book, and what other books are on the
shelf near it, and what could be had through inter-library loan!
I want to go to that book report day!!
I would do why Christians fear Harry Potter, but have embraced Lord of the
Rings. (Same reason most country & western music is re-tread rock'n'roll
from a dozen years before, because they're socially ass-back'ards and
fearful.)
Put me in, coach!!!!
Sandra
Deborah Lewis
> I would do why Christians fear Harry Potter, but have embraced LordYEA HA!
> of the
> Rings. (Same reason most country & western music is re-tread
> rock'n'roll
> from a dozen years before, because they're socially ass-back'ards
> and
> fearful.)
>
> Put me in, coach!!!!
Deb L
Nancy Wooton
on 9/22/02 9:21 AM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
Pullman "His Dark Materials" series. The animosity towards the books got me
reading the first one, which we owned but hadn't started yet. Very
interesting! I can see how it would piss off protestants, though! (The
Calvinists won and took over the papacy...) (I'm only on Chapter 3 of The
Golden Compass.)
What I found most interesting (though not surprising) was that one or two
people posted negative reviews, then a few others thanked them for warning
them and said they'd never read the books.
I stepped down from moderating that list so now I can respond to stuff like
that <eg>
Nancy
--
Not all those that wander are lost.
--J.R.R. Tolkien, novelist and philologist (1892-1973)
> I would do why Christians fear Harry Potter, but have embraced Lord of theI should cross-post the discussion on my local list about the Phillip
> Rings. (Same reason most country & western music is re-tread rock'n'roll
> from a dozen years before, because they're socially ass-back'ards and
> fearful.)
Pullman "His Dark Materials" series. The animosity towards the books got me
reading the first one, which we owned but hadn't started yet. Very
interesting! I can see how it would piss off protestants, though! (The
Calvinists won and took over the papacy...) (I'm only on Chapter 3 of The
Golden Compass.)
What I found most interesting (though not surprising) was that one or two
people posted negative reviews, then a few others thanked them for warning
them and said they'd never read the books.
I stepped down from moderating that list so now I can respond to stuff like
that <eg>
Nancy
--
Not all those that wander are lost.
--J.R.R. Tolkien, novelist and philologist (1892-1973)
Dawn Falbe
WOW again Nancy.... How do we move there? LOL
Like Lisa asked I have the same questions and also how did you find each
initially or did you already know the people in your "village". Is
Cedar Hill the name of the "town" if you can call it that? When you say
you want to keep it small what does that mean to you?
Tell us more about this lifestyle... It's sound fascinating and
certainly fits in with unschooling.
Dawn
Peninsula. We are in the Rain Shadow of the Olympics,
in the area which includes the islands in the Puget
Sound and is known as the Banana Belt of the NW for
it's warm and temperate climate. It is warmer and
drier than Seattle and Olympia, but still a lush NW
forest. The Peninsula is 3/4 State and National
parks, and most of the privately owned land is very undeveloped. But we
are 20 minutes from Port Townsend (which sounds a lot like that town
folks we talking about here recently - was it Virginia City?) PT is a
Victorian Seaport and home for a thriving arts community, many local
craftsmen, a rich wooden shipbuilding tradition and school, and many
eco-aware and alternative folks. It's nothing to see a mom in a
restaurant breastfeeding a 4 year old here, or any number of other nice
alternative type stuff like that.>>
Like Lisa asked I have the same questions and also how did you find each
initially or did you already know the people in your "village". Is
Cedar Hill the name of the "town" if you can call it that? When you say
you want to keep it small what does that mean to you?
Tell us more about this lifestyle... It's sound fascinating and
certainly fits in with unschooling.
Dawn
>>Our community, Rain Dance Village on Cedar Hill, islocated here on our 16+ acres on the Olympic
Peninsula. We are in the Rain Shadow of the Olympics,
in the area which includes the islands in the Puget
Sound and is known as the Banana Belt of the NW for
it's warm and temperate climate. It is warmer and
drier than Seattle and Olympia, but still a lush NW
forest. The Peninsula is 3/4 State and National
parks, and most of the privately owned land is very undeveloped. But we
are 20 minutes from Port Townsend (which sounds a lot like that town
folks we talking about here recently - was it Virginia City?) PT is a
Victorian Seaport and home for a thriving arts community, many local
craftsmen, a rich wooden shipbuilding tradition and school, and many
eco-aware and alternative folks. It's nothing to see a mom in a
restaurant breastfeeding a 4 year old here, or any number of other nice
alternative type stuff like that.>>
Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
Book reports, indeed. Why not do a movie report or a car report or a
breakfast report. Maybe a plant report or a gun report (use blanks, okay?)
You could do a report on the latest 'Naturalist Life Styles' book and come
dressed the part. (That's nudists for those of you who haven't had your
coffee yet.) Your report is guaranteed to be remembered by everyone and
probably be discussed for years.
They'll probably stop bothering you too.
Heidi
At 09:04 AM 9/22/2002 -0700, you wrote:
breakfast report. Maybe a plant report or a gun report (use blanks, okay?)
You could do a report on the latest 'Naturalist Life Styles' book and come
dressed the part. (That's nudists for those of you who haven't had your
coffee yet.) Your report is guaranteed to be remembered by everyone and
probably be discussed for years.
They'll probably stop bothering you too.
Heidi
At 09:04 AM 9/22/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>The following is the latest post from the local
>"support" group. Sigh, a fun time for November.
>Sharon of the Swamp
>.......................................................
>Would the end November be an acceptable time to have a
>library day for
>book
>reports? The 28th is Thanksgiving. We could schedule
>it for the week
>before? Is Monday or Tuesday better?
>
>
>
>
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Tami Labig Duquette
Hi Dawn,
There is an email group I joined not to long ago that seems to be
informative.
[email protected]
I have been looking into this for a few years. Sounds wonderful!
Peace,
Tami
There is an email group I joined not to long ago that seems to be
informative.
[email protected]
I have been looking into this for a few years. Sounds wonderful!
Peace,
Tami
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dawn Falbe" <astrologerdawn@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 2:02 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Intentional Community
> WOW again Nancy.... How do we move there? LOL
>
> Like Lisa asked I have the same questions and also how did you find each
> initially or did you already know the people in your "village". Is
> Cedar Hill the name of the "town" if you can call it that? When you say
> you want to keep it small what does that mean to you?
>
> Tell us more about this lifestyle... It's sound fascinating and
> certainly fits in with unschooling.
>
> Dawn
>
>
> >>Our community, Rain Dance Village on Cedar Hill, is
> located here on our 16+ acres on the Olympic
> Peninsula. We are in the Rain Shadow of the Olympics,
> in the area which includes the islands in the Puget
> Sound and is known as the Banana Belt of the NW for
> it's warm and temperate climate. It is warmer and
> drier than Seattle and Olympia, but still a lush NW
> forest. The Peninsula is 3/4 State and National
> parks, and most of the privately owned land is very undeveloped. But we
> are 20 minutes from Port Townsend (which sounds a lot like that town
> folks we talking about here recently - was it Virginia City?) PT is a
> Victorian Seaport and home for a thriving arts community, many local
> craftsmen, a rich wooden shipbuilding tradition and school, and many
> eco-aware and alternative folks. It's nothing to see a mom in a
> restaurant breastfeeding a 4 year old here, or any number of other nice
> alternative type stuff like that.>>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Peggy
Sandra wrote:
Peggy
> I would do why Christians fear Harry Potter, but have embraced Lord of theHave they? That is really weird. Maybe they associate Tolkien with C.S. Lewis?
> Rings. (Same reason most country & western music is re-tread rock'n'roll
> from a dozen years before, because they're socially ass-back'ards and
> fearful.)
Peggy
Sharon Rudd
I can see how it would piss off
would enjoy the book...is it tedious?
IRL the Calvanists were persecuted. My maiden name is
Varnedoe (Varnedeaux). There is no one in France with
that name, left. One small family went to Spain, one
to Switzerland, and
Nathaniel Varnedeaux and one child arrived in Georgia
in 1701.
My Mother called the Huegenots "those Damned
Calvanists". They were more stiff-necked than any
Catholics ever were.
I went to my Mother's brother's funeral, last
Wednesday. Aunt Martha woke me up on my birthday with
a phone call to tell me that Uncle Frank had just
died. Amazing. I haven't seen or spoken to her in 36
years, or any Rockwells, at all, in 24. I have sent
the occasional card and note. This had so touched her,
that she called me first. Who knew? My cousins were
grateful that my brother and Roy and I went to this
funeral. Surprised us.
I did ask Roy not to wear his skull and cross bones
helmet-liner to the actual funeral. He wore the
lizard-skin looking one, instead. I saw him peaking
into the casket, at the viewing. He had told me he
didn't want to see any dead guys, and I had told him
he didn't have to look if he didn't want to. But he
did.
A little two and half girl-cousin latched onto Roy,
calling him My Boy. She wouldn't let anyone sit in any
seats that Roy had occupied. She hugged and hugged him
and held his hand. At the family gathering afterwards
(at the orange grove, were I lived when I was little)
Roy watched out for her. He saw a water moccasin just
moments after I had warned him about the snakes there,
I saw it too. Ugly, fat one. And the alligators in the
river.
Roy took pictures of a huge big nest in the top of a
cypress tree. We didn't get to see if it was an egret
or eagle's. I saw a black panther run through the yard
there, at the grove, when my little brothers and I
were playing on the porch (now enclosed and the yard
is part of the grove)47 years ago. It looked at us,
so beautiful, ....Grandmother saw it too....then it
ran away, in a furtive sort of way. A few minutes
later two hunters on horseback with dogs rode up,
tracking that cat. One of the last. They were really
black jaguars, not panthers. If the light is right
you could see the spots. Grandmother shocked me by
saying we hadn't seen the black panther. I was glad,
but the dogs knew which way it went, anyway.
What used to be endless miles of palmetto and the
occasional stand of pine is not anymore. It is
subdivisions and different sorts green stuff and more
groves.
Some of the cousins agreed that we didn't HAVE to pass
everything on down to the next generation :-) We could
stop the cycle. Start new ones. One cousin's daughters
were there, of which one was a third grade teacher.
She was a bit offended that we were unschoolers, but
savvy enough NOT to ask questions or make comments
(maybe she was merely respecting her elders, or
intimidated LOL) But the look in her eyes. Oooh. Oh
well. Some others were so HAPPY that they hugged and
kissed us. And they did trust Roy to keep Stella (the
little one) safe in that snakey, alligatory place that
had no fence between the house and the steep steep
river bank.
Things have changed, some are for the better, some not
Sharon of the Swamp
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> protestants, though! (TheWhy would that be disliked? Though I'm not sure I
> Calvinists won and took over the papacy...) (I'm
> only on Chapter 3 of The
> Golden Compass.)
would enjoy the book...is it tedious?
IRL the Calvanists were persecuted. My maiden name is
Varnedoe (Varnedeaux). There is no one in France with
that name, left. One small family went to Spain, one
to Switzerland, and
Nathaniel Varnedeaux and one child arrived in Georgia
in 1701.
My Mother called the Huegenots "those Damned
Calvanists". They were more stiff-necked than any
Catholics ever were.
I went to my Mother's brother's funeral, last
Wednesday. Aunt Martha woke me up on my birthday with
a phone call to tell me that Uncle Frank had just
died. Amazing. I haven't seen or spoken to her in 36
years, or any Rockwells, at all, in 24. I have sent
the occasional card and note. This had so touched her,
that she called me first. Who knew? My cousins were
grateful that my brother and Roy and I went to this
funeral. Surprised us.
I did ask Roy not to wear his skull and cross bones
helmet-liner to the actual funeral. He wore the
lizard-skin looking one, instead. I saw him peaking
into the casket, at the viewing. He had told me he
didn't want to see any dead guys, and I had told him
he didn't have to look if he didn't want to. But he
did.
A little two and half girl-cousin latched onto Roy,
calling him My Boy. She wouldn't let anyone sit in any
seats that Roy had occupied. She hugged and hugged him
and held his hand. At the family gathering afterwards
(at the orange grove, were I lived when I was little)
Roy watched out for her. He saw a water moccasin just
moments after I had warned him about the snakes there,
I saw it too. Ugly, fat one. And the alligators in the
river.
Roy took pictures of a huge big nest in the top of a
cypress tree. We didn't get to see if it was an egret
or eagle's. I saw a black panther run through the yard
there, at the grove, when my little brothers and I
were playing on the porch (now enclosed and the yard
is part of the grove)47 years ago. It looked at us,
so beautiful, ....Grandmother saw it too....then it
ran away, in a furtive sort of way. A few minutes
later two hunters on horseback with dogs rode up,
tracking that cat. One of the last. They were really
black jaguars, not panthers. If the light is right
you could see the spots. Grandmother shocked me by
saying we hadn't seen the black panther. I was glad,
but the dogs knew which way it went, anyway.
What used to be endless miles of palmetto and the
occasional stand of pine is not anymore. It is
subdivisions and different sorts green stuff and more
groves.
Some of the cousins agreed that we didn't HAVE to pass
everything on down to the next generation :-) We could
stop the cycle. Start new ones. One cousin's daughters
were there, of which one was a third grade teacher.
She was a bit offended that we were unschoolers, but
savvy enough NOT to ask questions or make comments
(maybe she was merely respecting her elders, or
intimidated LOL) But the look in her eyes. Oooh. Oh
well. Some others were so HAPPY that they hugged and
kissed us. And they did trust Roy to keep Stella (the
little one) safe in that snakey, alligatory place that
had no fence between the house and the steep steep
river bank.
Things have changed, some are for the better, some not
Sharon of the Swamp
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New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
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Shyrley
On 22 Sep 02, at 21:37, Peggy wrote:
elves and stuff. If it ain't in the bible it ain't real, and if it ain't real, its
ungodly etc etc.
More room in the cinema for me......
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> Sandra wrote:The fundies I know have refused to see LoTR cos the magic and
>
> > I would do why Christians fear Harry Potter, but have embraced Lord
> > of the Rings. (Same reason most country & western music is re-tread
> > rock'n'roll from a dozen years before, because they're socially
> > ass-back'ards and fearful.)
>
> Have they? That is really weird. Maybe they associate Tolkien with
> C.S. Lewis?
>
>
> Peggy
>
elves and stuff. If it ain't in the bible it ain't real, and if it ain't real, its
ungodly etc etc.
More room in the cinema for me......
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/22/02 10:37:16 PM, peggy@... writes:
<< Have they? That is really weird. Maybe they associate Tolkien with C.S.
Lewis? >>
The new CBD (Christian Books Distributors) catalog has a Tolkien column
matching the Lewis column, same size, side by side. I think you've nailed it!
Four different editions of The Lord of the Rings, two of the Hobbit, and
Finding God in the Lord of the Rings, by Kurt Bruner and Jim Ware.
I'm going to google to find some stuff on it, but when I tried before the
computer balked, so I'll mail this and come back with that.
Sandra
<< Have they? That is really weird. Maybe they associate Tolkien with C.S.
Lewis? >>
The new CBD (Christian Books Distributors) catalog has a Tolkien column
matching the Lewis column, same size, side by side. I think you've nailed it!
Four different editions of The Lord of the Rings, two of the Hobbit, and
Finding God in the Lord of the Rings, by Kurt Bruner and Jim Ware.
I'm going to google to find some stuff on it, but when I tried before the
computer balked, so I'll mail this and come back with that.
Sandra
Nancy Wooton
on 9/22/02 9:37 PM, Peggy at peggy@... wrote:
scholars/writers at Oxford who met in the pub on Thursday nights to read and
discuss their current work. (Tolkien wasn't too impressed with the Narnia
books, since they did not create as complete a world of fantasy as Middle
Earth, his own life's work. Lewis knocked out Narnia in a much shorter
time.) C.S. Lewis made a character of Tolkien in the Space Trilogy; Ransom
is based on him. A fascinating book, named after their own group's name, is
"The Inklings," by Humphrey Carpenter.
Last November, I received by email an article about the fear-mongering of
Christians over Harry Potter books, which included this:
"...Rowling remains a member of the Church of Scotland and keeps
saying, "I believe in God, not magic." She also has stated that the
magical elements in her books come from her studies in British folklore.
This means she is trying to tap some of the same wellsprings as C.S.
Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien and even Charles Dickens.
"Last year, Rowling told a Canadian reporter that she is a Christian and
that this "seems to offend the religious right far worse than if I said I
thought there was no God. Every time I've been asked if I believe in God,
I've said, 'yes,' because I do. But no one ever really has gone any more
deeply into it than that and, I have to say that does suit me. ... If I
talk too freely about that, I think the intelligent reader -- whether 10
or 60 -- will be able to guess what is coming in the books."
Nancy
--
Not all those that wander are lost.
--J.R.R. Tolkien, novelist and philologist (1892-1973)
> Sandra wrote:Tolkien and Lewis were best friends, along with Charles Williams and other
>
>> I would do why Christians fear Harry Potter, but have embraced Lord of the
>> Rings. (Same reason most country & western music is re-tread rock'n'roll
>> from a dozen years before, because they're socially ass-back'ards and
>> fearful.)
>
> Have they? That is really weird. Maybe they associate Tolkien with C.S. Lewis?
>
scholars/writers at Oxford who met in the pub on Thursday nights to read and
discuss their current work. (Tolkien wasn't too impressed with the Narnia
books, since they did not create as complete a world of fantasy as Middle
Earth, his own life's work. Lewis knocked out Narnia in a much shorter
time.) C.S. Lewis made a character of Tolkien in the Space Trilogy; Ransom
is based on him. A fascinating book, named after their own group's name, is
"The Inklings," by Humphrey Carpenter.
Last November, I received by email an article about the fear-mongering of
Christians over Harry Potter books, which included this:
"...Rowling remains a member of the Church of Scotland and keeps
saying, "I believe in God, not magic." She also has stated that the
magical elements in her books come from her studies in British folklore.
This means she is trying to tap some of the same wellsprings as C.S.
Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien and even Charles Dickens.
"Last year, Rowling told a Canadian reporter that she is a Christian and
that this "seems to offend the religious right far worse than if I said I
thought there was no God. Every time I've been asked if I believe in God,
I've said, 'yes,' because I do. But no one ever really has gone any more
deeply into it than that and, I have to say that does suit me. ... If I
talk too freely about that, I think the intelligent reader -- whether 10
or 60 -- will be able to guess what is coming in the books."
Nancy
--
Not all those that wander are lost.
--J.R.R. Tolkien, novelist and philologist (1892-1973)
Nancy Wooton
on 9/22/02 9:59 PM, Sharon Rudd at bearspawprint@... wrote:
over the power structure. The church has it's thumb on education, is in
cahoots with politicians to suppress truth, etc.
Nancy
--
My mother would see me reading and say "don't you have anything to do?" and
I would see her tidying and think, "don't you have anything to read?"
--Andrea
> I can see how it would piss offThe pope is Pope John Calvin <g> They didn't reform anything, just took
> protestants, though! (The
> Calvinists won and took over the papacy...) (I'm
> only on Chapter 3 of The
> Golden Compass.)
>
> Why would that be disliked?
over the power structure. The church has it's thumb on education, is in
cahoots with politicians to suppress truth, etc.
>Though I'm not sure II read 100 pages yesterday ;-) It's a pretty compelling novel, so far.
> would enjoy the book...is it tedious?
Nancy
--
My mother would see me reading and say "don't you have anything to do?" and
I would see her tidying and think, "don't you have anything to read?"
--Andrea
Nanci Kuykendall
Apparently I goofed. I sent this response only to
Liza. So here it is again, for everyone else who was
interested. By the way, just FYI, the 20 acres
adjoining our property with a view of Lake Leland
(very nice parcel) is still for sale. About 80,000.00
I believe, from the same owner. That one is South of
us, and is flatter, has fantastic Southern exposure,
some great cleared space for agriculture, a well in
place, a yurt platform in place in the woods, and
power within easy reach right at the road. There is
reportedly a black bear who calls our area home as
well.
We wanted to buy that lot as well, but could not
afford both by our selves, and no one else was in
position to put in big money yet at that time. Now we
have one family who has sold their house and another
which is in the process, but we didn't then. I keep
hoping, though, that some folks who want to have a
similar and connected community to ours will buy it so
we can work together as two small villages. The
neighbors around the lake are fantastic, by the way.
Very interested in what we are doing, suportive and
open minded. There are also a number of other
Intentional Communities on the Peninsula and in
Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia and surrounding areas.
Liza Sabater wrote:
the structure of the community, the local codes and
state laws. In WA state (where we are) many CoHousing
communities operate under "outdoor condominium" laws.
Comdominium laws means that each owner has separate
legal title to an individual dwelling unit and an
undivided fractional interest in the common elements
of the project as a whole. When it comes time to move
for any reason, the individual is mainly responsible
for selling their own home, although the process
varies by community, and many communities opt to have
first buyers rights in order to select a compatible
new owner. Even if the homeowners are selling
seperately, communities still have the right to some
selection criteria (all are different, and some have
more than others.)
Many other communities, ours included, operate under
the Cooperative Housing laws. That means a member has
a membership in the cooperative corporation which in
turn holds title to the entire project. Further,
membership in a cooperative housing corporation
entitles its owner to the occupancy of a dwelling unit
in the project. This right of occupancy is appurtenant
to, and inseparable from, the membership interest in
the cooperative. In our particular project, the
dwelling units are to be space efficient, small
natural cottages in the woods, that are owner and
community built. When it comes time to move, a
member/family sells their shares back to the community
who keep a fund for that purpose, and then they select
and resell to new members.
contract. We have no bank loan. We paid $15,000.00
down and have slightly higher interest than market
rate, but no bank to deal with. The title holder
holds the contract, and takes our payments through a
title account with a local bank, which has certain
legal protections and insurance. It is a common setup
for rural land.
yet, alone here. We have spent several years working
towards this, and have a very solid plan for growth
based on our experiences with other communities and
individuals. We are taking our time to grow the
community in a stable way. We meet frequently and do
projects on the land with prospective members, have a
mailing list to keep in touch with each other, and
correspond regularly. We were involved with members
before we found this land.
A family of 5 (unschooling, mom, dad, 14 y.o.d., 11
y.o.s, and 5 y.o.d.) are planning to move in before
the end of the year. Another couple (a female High
School teacher, and her muscian partner) are in the
beginning
stages of developing membership here. She calls
herself a "plant in the system" because of her
unschooling and alternative beliefs. A third family
(unschooling mom, dad and 13 y.o.s.) are heavily
involved in developing membership here. A single guy
from Texas is coming out to visit at the end of the
month, to explore membership options for himself. We
are incontact with several other prospectives.
Our process is to get to know each other through our
various mediums; spend time working together on the
land and doing other things together; move members
onto the land on a trial basis for at least a year in
a temporary structure (such as movable small cabin,
yurt or other); then formalize membership together
legally and emotionally (probably with some kind of
shared non-religious ceremony to mark the commitment.)
We have folks in various stages of this process. Our
goal is to have about 5 member families here, a small
village. We are in contact with other nearby
communities as well, and hope to function
cooperatively with them.
Financially, trial members will pay a monthly "rent"
per adult (about $200.00 each) and their portion of
shared expenses, as well as purchase their own
temporary dwelling, unless we have one to offer later.
The rent goes towards the land payment and is
non-refundable if they decide to leave. If they stay,
it can be counted towards their total investment
costs.
invested, then we would buy back their shares for
resale later on. If they are not yet invested, it is
even easier.
and will depend on a number of factors. We estimate,
with 5 families, cost will be about 20-30,000.00 total
share cost.
They also build their own cottages, but we use much
natural, onsite materials, found materials and free or
low cost recyclables in the building process. The
cottages will be owner/community built, and specific
to each family's design. They will include composting
toilets and a sink which is on a greywater recycling
system. They will contain small kitchenettes for
private family meals and snacks when desired. Other
amenities will vary by family, but overall size will
remain small.
We have broken ground and begun a foundation on a
partially earth bermed studio cottage in a site my
niece selected. It will be mainly cob and natural
alder and cedar posts cut on site (cob is sort of like
clay/adobe - think those white washed cottages in the
UK) with a green living roof. She is 16, and will be
moving up here from California in the next year to
live in her cottage. Hers will also include a shower
on a greywater system, at her request.
We have selected a site and broken ground and begun to
cut cedar poles for our own family's cottage. We have
posts and beams in place in concrete for a larger
building, which will serve as our community house
(kitchen/dining/social/multi use space) when it is
done. We are working on our bathhouse design,
gardens, ponds and other features. We have cleared a
site for group parking, to keep half the property as
pedestrian friendly, with capabilty to drive on it to
deliver heavy items, etc.
Currently our family is living in the single wide,
older mobile home which was on the property. As soon
as we complete our initial cottage (a simple, one
large room open design to begin with, to get it done
quickly, which will be added to later for our
permanent dwelling) this mobile will become our
temporary community house for a year or two, until our
permanent community house is completed. At that time,
this structure will be torn down and removed, to make
more space on this site for our extensive gardens.
This weekend we built a pole structure porch roof from
alders (with bark and moss still in place) using all
found scrap (didn't buy a thing) for railing, brackets
to hold the beams, hardware, roofing, etc. It looks
really great, and we set the poles in such a way that
they can be reused later in another contruction when
this mobile goes away. It's about 7X11 feet. We left
the posts long too, like 14 feet tall, and put the
roof down at the appropriate height with the house
roof. That way we have more versatility to reuse the
poles later. They are really beefy, like 8 inches in
diameter, so we should be able to get good use of them
later as structural posts elsewhere. It really
changes the look of the mobile for the better.
Yesterday, while we were banging away on it and making
a lot of noise, a family of a doe and two yearlings
came mozeying by, eating the clover and blackberries
about 10 feet away. The deer are so funny the way the
ignore us. I left them a piece of the banana bread
that I made yesterday, but they were more interested
in the blackberries. I am sure something else will
eat it.
Anyhow, hope I answered your questions. I gotta get
to some chores, clean up, stack some wood for the
woodstove and work on our cottage site and plan. Have
a great day!
Nanci K.
Liza. So here it is again, for everyone else who was
interested. By the way, just FYI, the 20 acres
adjoining our property with a view of Lake Leland
(very nice parcel) is still for sale. About 80,000.00
I believe, from the same owner. That one is South of
us, and is flatter, has fantastic Southern exposure,
some great cleared space for agriculture, a well in
place, a yurt platform in place in the woods, and
power within easy reach right at the road. There is
reportedly a black bear who calls our area home as
well.
We wanted to buy that lot as well, but could not
afford both by our selves, and no one else was in
position to put in big money yet at that time. Now we
have one family who has sold their house and another
which is in the process, but we didn't then. I keep
hoping, though, that some folks who want to have a
similar and connected community to ours will buy it so
we can work together as two small villages. The
neighbors around the lake are fantastic, by the way.
Very interested in what we are doing, suportive and
open minded. There are also a number of other
Intentional Communities on the Peninsula and in
Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia and surrounding areas.
Liza Sabater wrote:
> So how do you work out the legalities?Communities all have different setups, depending on
the structure of the community, the local codes and
state laws. In WA state (where we are) many CoHousing
communities operate under "outdoor condominium" laws.
Comdominium laws means that each owner has separate
legal title to an individual dwelling unit and an
undivided fractional interest in the common elements
of the project as a whole. When it comes time to move
for any reason, the individual is mainly responsible
for selling their own home, although the process
varies by community, and many communities opt to have
first buyers rights in order to select a compatible
new owner. Even if the homeowners are selling
seperately, communities still have the right to some
selection criteria (all are different, and some have
more than others.)
Many other communities, ours included, operate under
the Cooperative Housing laws. That means a member has
a membership in the cooperative corporation which in
turn holds title to the entire project. Further,
membership in a cooperative housing corporation
entitles its owner to the occupancy of a dwelling unit
in the project. This right of occupancy is appurtenant
to, and inseparable from, the membership interest in
the cooperative. In our particular project, the
dwelling units are to be space efficient, small
natural cottages in the woods, that are owner and
community built. When it comes time to move, a
member/family sells their shares back to the community
who keep a fund for that purpose, and then they select
and resell to new members.
> How and by who was the land bought?My husband and I bought the land on an owner held
contract. We have no bank loan. We paid $15,000.00
down and have slightly higher interest than market
rate, but no bank to deal with. The title holder
holds the contract, and takes our payments through a
title account with a local bank, which has certain
legal protections and insurance. It is a common setup
for rural land.
> How many families are in your village?We bought the land this summer, and our family is, as
yet, alone here. We have spent several years working
towards this, and have a very solid plan for growth
based on our experiences with other communities and
individuals. We are taking our time to grow the
community in a stable way. We meet frequently and do
projects on the land with prospective members, have a
mailing list to keep in touch with each other, and
correspond regularly. We were involved with members
before we found this land.
A family of 5 (unschooling, mom, dad, 14 y.o.d., 11
y.o.s, and 5 y.o.d.) are planning to move in before
the end of the year. Another couple (a female High
School teacher, and her muscian partner) are in the
beginning
stages of developing membership here. She calls
herself a "plant in the system" because of her
unschooling and alternative beliefs. A third family
(unschooling mom, dad and 13 y.o.s.) are heavily
involved in developing membership here. A single guy
from Texas is coming out to visit at the end of the
month, to explore membership options for himself. We
are incontact with several other prospectives.
Our process is to get to know each other through our
various mediums; spend time working together on the
land and doing other things together; move members
onto the land on a trial basis for at least a year in
a temporary structure (such as movable small cabin,
yurt or other); then formalize membership together
legally and emotionally (probably with some kind of
shared non-religious ceremony to mark the commitment.)
We have folks in various stages of this process. Our
goal is to have about 5 member families here, a small
village. We are in contact with other nearby
communities as well, and hope to function
cooperatively with them.
Financially, trial members will pay a monthly "rent"
per adult (about $200.00 each) and their portion of
shared expenses, as well as purchase their own
temporary dwelling, unless we have one to offer later.
The rent goes towards the land payment and is
non-refundable if they decide to leave. If they stay,
it can be counted towards their total investment
costs.
> Do you have to sign in for a number of years?No, folks can leave at any time. If they are
invested, then we would buy back their shares for
resale later on. If they are not yet invested, it is
even easier.
> How much is it to each family? Are the houses theCost for total investment has not yet been determined,
> same?
and will depend on a number of factors. We estimate,
with 5 families, cost will be about 20-30,000.00 total
share cost.
They also build their own cottages, but we use much
natural, onsite materials, found materials and free or
low cost recyclables in the building process. The
cottages will be owner/community built, and specific
to each family's design. They will include composting
toilets and a sink which is on a greywater recycling
system. They will contain small kitchenettes for
private family meals and snacks when desired. Other
amenities will vary by family, but overall size will
remain small.
We have broken ground and begun a foundation on a
partially earth bermed studio cottage in a site my
niece selected. It will be mainly cob and natural
alder and cedar posts cut on site (cob is sort of like
clay/adobe - think those white washed cottages in the
UK) with a green living roof. She is 16, and will be
moving up here from California in the next year to
live in her cottage. Hers will also include a shower
on a greywater system, at her request.
We have selected a site and broken ground and begun to
cut cedar poles for our own family's cottage. We have
posts and beams in place in concrete for a larger
building, which will serve as our community house
(kitchen/dining/social/multi use space) when it is
done. We are working on our bathhouse design,
gardens, ponds and other features. We have cleared a
site for group parking, to keep half the property as
pedestrian friendly, with capabilty to drive on it to
deliver heavy items, etc.
Currently our family is living in the single wide,
older mobile home which was on the property. As soon
as we complete our initial cottage (a simple, one
large room open design to begin with, to get it done
quickly, which will be added to later for our
permanent dwelling) this mobile will become our
temporary community house for a year or two, until our
permanent community house is completed. At that time,
this structure will be torn down and removed, to make
more space on this site for our extensive gardens.
This weekend we built a pole structure porch roof from
alders (with bark and moss still in place) using all
found scrap (didn't buy a thing) for railing, brackets
to hold the beams, hardware, roofing, etc. It looks
really great, and we set the poles in such a way that
they can be reused later in another contruction when
this mobile goes away. It's about 7X11 feet. We left
the posts long too, like 14 feet tall, and put the
roof down at the appropriate height with the house
roof. That way we have more versatility to reuse the
poles later. They are really beefy, like 8 inches in
diameter, so we should be able to get good use of them
later as structural posts elsewhere. It really
changes the look of the mobile for the better.
Yesterday, while we were banging away on it and making
a lot of noise, a family of a doe and two yearlings
came mozeying by, eating the clover and blackberries
about 10 feet away. The deer are so funny the way the
ignore us. I left them a piece of the banana bread
that I made yesterday, but they were more interested
in the blackberries. I am sure something else will
eat it.
Anyhow, hope I answered your questions. I gotta get
to some chores, clean up, stack some wood for the
woodstove and work on our cottage site and plan. Have
a great day!
Nanci K.
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/23/02 8:23:01 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:
<< More room in the cinema for me...... >>
Amen!
<< More room in the cinema for me...... >>
Amen!
Julie Stauffer
Oh Nancy,
that sounds so wonderful. I am very interested in the same type of
community but with more of a sustainable, home-steading type focus. Of
course, I don't see me getting to try it any time soon since as
"alternative" as dh wants to get is not donating to United Way at work.
<sigh> Good thing I love him.
Julie
that sounds so wonderful. I am very interested in the same type of
community but with more of a sustainable, home-steading type focus. Of
course, I don't see me getting to try it any time soon since as
"alternative" as dh wants to get is not donating to United Way at work.
<sigh> Good thing I love him.
Julie
Nanci Kuykendall
>Most of our sharing seems to be long distant and notExactly! Enter...a solution.....recreating community
>intimate and that is so different from much of the
>world or even our own history. Is there anything
>lonelier or more isolated than the typical suburban
>dweller down on their luck?
>Peggy
in an intentional way, not geograpically accidental,
or based on politics or religion. Would it not be
nice to have neighbors who were also like your
extended family, and who loved you no matter what you
wore, and even if your car was the shared community
van that you strap your bike to when it goes to town?
Wouldn't it be nice to not have to cook every day in
your own place if you don't feel like it, but take
your turn in a shared kitchen sometimes, and have help
and friendly conversation when you do? Wouldn't it be
nice, for that matter, to send the spouse and kids off
to the community house for dinner and treat yourself
to some alone time at your place? Wouldn't it be nice
to let your 5 year or younger child run around and
play in the community, knowing that many loving adult
eyes are on them and you don't have to follow them
around for safety? I could go on, but, well...you get
the idea. I am as passionated about community as I am
about Unschooling.
Nanci K.
Nanci Kuykendall (Ingah)
> that sounds so wonderful. I am very interested in the same type offocus. Of > course, I don't see me getting to try it any time soon
> community but with more of a sustainable, home-steading type
since as> "alternative" as dh wants to get is not donating to United
Way at work.> <sigh> Good thing I love him.
> JulieUmmmm, I don't think you can get much more homesteading and
alternative than this Julie. We are using natural building
techniques to build a permaculture based ecovillage, as off-grid as
possible, with organic gardens, some shared vehicles, land
stewardship, greywater recycling ponds, etc. Cottage construction
will be a group effort, and we want smaller size (under 1,000 sq ft)
space efficient, snug and beautiful cottages with a focus on
voluntary simplicity.
As for your husband, you would be surpirsed how many rabidly
enthusiastic men in community were initially drug in, unwilling, by
eager spouses. They get over their fear of something different and
realize how fantastic it really is. I think women crave community
more, but men benefit just as much or more from it. They don't even
realize what they have been missing till they get it. That's what
they tell me.
Nanci K.
Katrina Gutleben
I've been looking into Intentional communities for a year or so and am DYING to be in one. I too have an uninterested husband. I really think though that if he gave it a chance he would find the 'honest work with a clear purpose' very fulfilling. I know I would. The idea of it all makes me ache inside wanting it and knowing that DH will continue to stand in my way.
Nanci, yours sounds so wonderful! I'm amazed at the low projected price per adult. I would have estimated higher which is part of what has kept me from seriously persuing it.
Way to go after a dream!
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Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
Hey Nanci,
Have you checked out Straw Bale houses? They're fairly quick to put up and
they last forever and a day (provided you actually plaster them and put
good 'boots and hat' on the home.
You might want to check that out in addition to the earth-berm as straw
bale may be more insulating and you do, after all, live in Washington
(brrrrrrrr..rrrrr)
Good luck with your venture!
Heidi
Have you checked out Straw Bale houses? They're fairly quick to put up and
they last forever and a day (provided you actually plaster them and put
good 'boots and hat' on the home.
You might want to check that out in addition to the earth-berm as straw
bale may be more insulating and you do, after all, live in Washington
(brrrrrrrr..rrrrr)
Good luck with your venture!
Heidi
Nanci Kuykendall
<< WOW again Nancy.... How do we move there? >>
We are here because we were willing to take risks to
get here. You don't get the big rewards without
taking risks. Leaving a safe and predictable and well
understood life behind for the unknown. We all know
that folks prefer the known evil to the unknown.
Living in community is not for everyone, certainly.
You have to be willing to compromise, not be in total
control, give, and let go of the small details. You
have to be honest and willing to talk about problems
when they arise and work them out cooperatively,
forgive and move on. You have to be committed to the
community and to each other. It can be intense, but
the rewards are equally intense. It's a relationship
for sure.
I don't want to monopolize the list time with my
passion for community. I am happy to answer questions
and continue the discussion offlist for anyone who
want to contact me.
Nanci K.
>Yeah, same here. Wow, wow, wow. Surrounded by<awesome....if only I could convince dh!! Ren
>unschoolers? I can't imagine. The whole thing sounds
We are here because we were willing to take risks to
get here. You don't get the big rewards without
taking risks. Leaving a safe and predictable and well
understood life behind for the unknown. We all know
that folks prefer the known evil to the unknown.
Living in community is not for everyone, certainly.
You have to be willing to compromise, not be in total
control, give, and let go of the small details. You
have to be honest and willing to talk about problems
when they arise and work them out cooperatively,
forgive and move on. You have to be committed to the
community and to each other. It can be intense, but
the rewards are equally intense. It's a relationship
for sure.
I don't want to monopolize the list time with my
passion for community. I am happy to answer questions
and continue the discussion offlist for anyone who
want to contact me.
Nanci K.
Thomas F. Kuykendall
>This weekend we built a pole structure porch roof fromI have to admit, building the roof structure from raw tree stock and no
>alders (with bark and moss still in place) using all
>found scrap (didn't buy a thing) for railing, brackets
>to hold the beams, hardware, roofing, etc. It looks
>really great, and we set the poles in such a way that
>they can be reused later in another contruction when
>this mobile goes away. It's about 7X11 feet. We left
>the posts long too, like 14 feet tall, and put the
>roof down at the appropriate height with the house
>roof. That way we have more versatility to reuse the
>poles later. They are really beefy, like 8 inches in
>diameter, so we should be able to get good use of them
>later as structural posts elsewhere. It really
>changes the look of the mobile for the better.
>Yesterday, while we were banging away on it and making
>a lot of noise, a family of a doe and two yearlings
>came mozeying by, eating the clover and blackberries
>about 10 feet away. The deer are so funny the way the
>ignore us. I left them a piece of the banana bread
>that I made yesterday, but they were more interested
>in the blackberries. I am sure something else will
>eat it.
>Nanci K.
power tools was alot of fun (though exhausting for this desk jocky.) And
I did it amost excluseively with hand tools. The only power tool used was
a cordless drill to screw on the roofing panels. The final product does
look a bit raw with just sections of tree trunks fastened in place bark
and all and covered, but I think it looks marvelous. Well, at least much
better than the harsh square-metallic shape of the trailer. The deer
coming out to feed was a nice bonus. They have slowly been getting used
to us and this is the first time I have seen them just walk out of the
trees and feed right in front of us.
Well, I would like to add (because I have seen a couple comments about DH
being a bit inflexable) that Nanci has opened my mind about the world.
Yes, I was pretty stuck in the modern system, but I have to admit I love
the natural surroundings of our land much better. So there may be hope
for us males yet.
Tom K. DH of Nanci K.
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