adults on Prozax
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I
telling me that she had been to the doctor to ask for stronger
anti-depressants.
I told her to look at her life. Her job had just been cut back seriously
effecting her income. She had just caught her partner cheating on her. Her
long time marriage (over 25 years) had ended before that, and her various
kids (5) were having major problems. At that time she was filing banruptcy,
and didn't know where she was going to live. NOW, how strong would the
medication have to be to make her HAPPY?????
Let's face it, sometime life is hard and sad, and we need to feel that.
My input about it anyway.
Connie
ps - I have dated a little since my divorce and each man (all three of them)
is on Prozac. Will I find someone that isn't??? I'm still looking.
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> ****adults on Prozac and anti-anxiety medication?I had to laugh when I read this question. An acquaintance of mine was
telling me that she had been to the doctor to ask for stronger
anti-depressants.
I told her to look at her life. Her job had just been cut back seriously
effecting her income. She had just caught her partner cheating on her. Her
long time marriage (over 25 years) had ended before that, and her various
kids (5) were having major problems. At that time she was filing banruptcy,
and didn't know where she was going to live. NOW, how strong would the
medication have to be to make her HAPPY?????
Let's face it, sometime life is hard and sad, and we need to feel that.
My input about it anyway.
Connie
ps - I have dated a little since my divorce and each man (all three of them)
is on Prozac. Will I find someone that isn't??? I'm still looking.
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I'm allergic to Prozac. Really. My hands swell up so my fingers look like
sausages and I can't flex them. Now I'm nursing so I deal with it. I have
found that keeping a clean house helps me. Bummer that it can't be something
good like reading trashy novels for 4 hours a day while putting my feet up
on an ottoman.
Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:09 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] adults on Prozax
sausages and I can't flex them. Now I'm nursing so I deal with it. I have
found that keeping a clean house helps me. Bummer that it can't be something
good like reading trashy novels for 4 hours a day while putting my feet up
on an ottoman.
Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:09 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] adults on Prozax
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>I told her to look at her life. Her job had just been cut back seriously
>effecting her income. She had just caught her partner cheating on her.
>long time marriage (over 25 years) had ended before that, and her variousbanruptcy,
>kids (5) were having major problems. At that time she was filing
>and didn't know where she was going to live. NOW, how strong would thethem)
>medication have to be to make her HAPPY?????
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>Let's face it, sometime life is hard and sad, and we need to feel that.
>
>My input about it anyway.
>
>Connie
>
>ps - I have dated a little since my divorce and each man (all three of
>is on Prozac. Will I find someone that isn't??? I'm still looking.
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In a message dated 2/25/02 2:12:39 PM, conniecolten@... writes:
<< NOW, how strong would the
medication have to be to make her HAPPY????? >>
She probably had no hope of enough to make her happy, just maybe enough to
allow her to sleep six hours at a stretch, not to have diarrhea every time
she thought about her husband, or not to wish a bus would just hit her hard
and have it all end.
Sandra
<< NOW, how strong would the
medication have to be to make her HAPPY????? >>
She probably had no hope of enough to make her happy, just maybe enough to
allow her to sleep six hours at a stretch, not to have diarrhea every time
she thought about her husband, or not to wish a bus would just hit her hard
and have it all end.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/25/02 6:54:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
one has to wonder what all that adrenaline and other "fight or flight"
chemicals coursing through one's brain not just for a short time but
routinely, off and on but mostly on, for years does to one's brain chemistry.
Temporarily or long-term, it has to have an effect. Six years after leaving
the abuse, I spiraled down into a debilitating depression as a "post
traumatic" response to the abuse I had endured years before. I was open to
using meds because the other option involved ramming my car into a tree.
Actually, I ended up using talk therapy, vitamins, exercise, and a lot of
prayer and crying -- which worked, but had it not, meds would have been
welcome.
I'm glad the strides have been made in recent years in brain function
studies. There is so much yet to be learned, but it has been amazing.
People are getting their lives back.
OTOH, I do agree that there is no "magic pill" that will take care of
everything inside. The medication usually means the difference between
functioning and not functioning not happiness and unhappiness, although
functioning helps one's happiness quotient immeasurably.
~Ginny
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> She probably had no hope of enough to make her happy, just maybe enough toYeah. I lived in "crisis mode" for seven years in an abusive marriage and
> allow her to sleep six hours at a stretch, not to have diarrhea every time
> she thought about her husband, or not to wish a bus would just hit her hard
>
> and have it all end.
>
one has to wonder what all that adrenaline and other "fight or flight"
chemicals coursing through one's brain not just for a short time but
routinely, off and on but mostly on, for years does to one's brain chemistry.
Temporarily or long-term, it has to have an effect. Six years after leaving
the abuse, I spiraled down into a debilitating depression as a "post
traumatic" response to the abuse I had endured years before. I was open to
using meds because the other option involved ramming my car into a tree.
Actually, I ended up using talk therapy, vitamins, exercise, and a lot of
prayer and crying -- which worked, but had it not, meds would have been
welcome.
I'm glad the strides have been made in recent years in brain function
studies. There is so much yet to be learned, but it has been amazing.
People are getting their lives back.
OTOH, I do agree that there is no "magic pill" that will take care of
everything inside. The medication usually means the difference between
functioning and not functioning not happiness and unhappiness, although
functioning helps one's happiness quotient immeasurably.
~Ginny
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homeschoolmd
--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Wings2Fly@a... wrote:
I believe that certain chemical make ups or personality types are
more prone to depression just like some people are more prone to
becoming alcoholics. *But* I think our childhood experiences play a
large role in greatly influencing all aspects of our lives. Not all
people prone to being alcoholics become alcoholics. Not all people
prone to depression need to take medication.
I really wish there would be a study done of the children whose
families followed an unschooling lifestyle and see if they grow up
with a lower than the normal population need for medication.
My brother was severely depressed for years. He was really not
functioning well even on Prozac. Ever since he overcame the total
lack of self-esteem he was left with by my father he has been doing
wonderfully. He finally found a job he was good at. It took him
until he was 40 to be able to say to himself "I am a grown man".
Pat
> I'm glad the strides have been made in recent years in brainfunction
> studies. There is so much yet to be learned, but it has beenamazing.
> People are getting their lives back.of
>
> OTOH, I do agree that there is no "magic pill" that will take care
> everything inside. The medication usually means the differencebetween
> functioning and not functioning not happiness and unhappiness,although
> functioning helps one's happiness quotient immeasurably.I still have to wonder how much of this can be prevented.
I believe that certain chemical make ups or personality types are
more prone to depression just like some people are more prone to
becoming alcoholics. *But* I think our childhood experiences play a
large role in greatly influencing all aspects of our lives. Not all
people prone to being alcoholics become alcoholics. Not all people
prone to depression need to take medication.
I really wish there would be a study done of the children whose
families followed an unschooling lifestyle and see if they grow up
with a lower than the normal population need for medication.
My brother was severely depressed for years. He was really not
functioning well even on Prozac. Ever since he overcame the total
lack of self-esteem he was left with by my father he has been doing
wonderfully. He finally found a job he was good at. It took him
until he was 40 to be able to say to himself "I am a grown man".
Pat
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/25/02 8:11:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
homeschoolmd@... writes:
we're all complex mixtures of both. Sometimes medication gives a depressed
or anxiety-ridden person the peace and respite he/she needs in order to
attend to emotional and mental and self-worth issues. Using medication for a
times doesn't mean having to stay on it. But with others there really aren't
any *issues* that need to be dealt with, or they've already been dealt with,
and the problem truly is more of a chemical nature and for those folks
medication is the answer -- much like someone with hypothyroidism would need
to take a pill for the rest of his/her life. It's a biological condition
that we can now treat effectively -- which is just so great. But because of
this mishmash of nature and nurture, we just have to take each struggling
person on an individual basis because until we get to digging into it all, we
just don't know.
~Ginny
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homeschoolmd@... writes:
> I believe that certain chemical make ups or personality types areYeah, that old nature vs. nurture argument. I think most people understand
> more prone to depression just like some people are more prone to
> becoming alcoholics. *But* I think our childhood experiences play a
> large role in greatly influencing all aspects of our lives.
we're all complex mixtures of both. Sometimes medication gives a depressed
or anxiety-ridden person the peace and respite he/she needs in order to
attend to emotional and mental and self-worth issues. Using medication for a
times doesn't mean having to stay on it. But with others there really aren't
any *issues* that need to be dealt with, or they've already been dealt with,
and the problem truly is more of a chemical nature and for those folks
medication is the answer -- much like someone with hypothyroidism would need
to take a pill for the rest of his/her life. It's a biological condition
that we can now treat effectively -- which is just so great. But because of
this mishmash of nature and nurture, we just have to take each struggling
person on an individual basis because until we get to digging into it all, we
just don't know.
~Ginny
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Sharon Rudd
> It took himPlease tell him that I think he is doing very well, if
> until he was 40 to be able to say to himself "I am a
> grown man".
>
> Pat
he can say that and believe it. I have met MANY male
adolescents in their 50's. Also men don't complete
their full physical growth until about 40. Perhaps
maturity comes with shoulders, for some.
In traditional Cherokee culture a Person is not
considered and adult until they are 50 or so. Then
they become eligible four council membership and may
voice a valid opinion backed by life-experience.
Sharon of the Swamp
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--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...> wrote:
you are 40 or 50. I'll have to ask dh when he finally knew he was
grown up. Gee, let me see, when did I finally know I was grown up?
Probably not until recently when I could finally keep my house
clean. Now that is a sad commentary!
Anyone else care to expound upon this thought.
Pat
> Please tell him that I think he is doing very well, ifI hope you're not saying it is normal to *not* feel like a man until
> he can say that and believe it. I have met MANY male
> adolescents in their 50's. Also men don't complete
> their full physical growth until about 40. Perhaps
> maturity comes with shoulders, for some.
you are 40 or 50. I'll have to ask dh when he finally knew he was
grown up. Gee, let me see, when did I finally know I was grown up?
Probably not until recently when I could finally keep my house
clean. Now that is a sad commentary!
Anyone else care to expound upon this thought.
Pat
Sharon Rudd
we
seratonin. We do know that stress, prolonged or short
term stimulates anxiety responses. We do know that
this creates acclerated wear and tear on the indocrin
and nervous, and circulatory, and digestive, and skin,
and spirit,and, well, one's entire self. We do know
that prolonged physical and emotional pain uses up
seratonin, too. And that pain is the result of
accelerated wear and tear and the result of the world
not being the way we want it. Too much of this pain
and stress and too much seartonin get used up. Then
there isn't enough of this chemical in our brains to
get us through the daily business of living. So a
seratinin reuptake inhibitor is sometimes tried, to
help out. It is usually started at low doses. It
also takes a while for the sesartonin to build back up
in one's system. Weeks, with meds. Sometimes never,
without meds. Sometimes the continued stresses are too
much, and more med. is needed (usually).
It doesn't help everyone, and some folks have
reactions to it. (That is why it is started with such
low doses). Some people do OK with other
antidepressants. Some don't. Thank the Powers that Be
that there is help for some.
Depression (seratonin deficiancy)is a serious problem
causing other serious problems and even death, not
always only of the depressed person. It should always
be taken seriously. No matter what the causes. If
Prozac helps or other medsgo for it! St John's wart
may be enough for some, chocolate, enough for others.
A good joke, prayers and hugs may tide some
over....but not everyone. Whatever helps should be
done. Now.
Sharon of the Swamp
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> just don't know.We do know that prolonged stress of any sort uses up
seratonin. We do know that stress, prolonged or short
term stimulates anxiety responses. We do know that
this creates acclerated wear and tear on the indocrin
and nervous, and circulatory, and digestive, and skin,
and spirit,and, well, one's entire self. We do know
that prolonged physical and emotional pain uses up
seratonin, too. And that pain is the result of
accelerated wear and tear and the result of the world
not being the way we want it. Too much of this pain
and stress and too much seartonin get used up. Then
there isn't enough of this chemical in our brains to
get us through the daily business of living. So a
seratinin reuptake inhibitor is sometimes tried, to
help out. It is usually started at low doses. It
also takes a while for the sesartonin to build back up
in one's system. Weeks, with meds. Sometimes never,
without meds. Sometimes the continued stresses are too
much, and more med. is needed (usually).
It doesn't help everyone, and some folks have
reactions to it. (That is why it is started with such
low doses). Some people do OK with other
antidepressants. Some don't. Thank the Powers that Be
that there is help for some.
Depression (seratonin deficiancy)is a serious problem
causing other serious problems and even death, not
always only of the depressed person. It should always
be taken seriously. No matter what the causes. If
Prozac helps or other medsgo for it! St John's wart
may be enough for some, chocolate, enough for others.
A good joke, prayers and hugs may tide some
over....but not everyone. Whatever helps should be
done. Now.
Sharon of the Swamp
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Just not abnormal.
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> --- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Sharon Rudd__________________________________________________
> <bearspawprint@y...> wrote:
> > Please tell him that I think he is doing very
> well, if
> > he can say that and believe it. I have met MANY
> male
> > adolescents in their 50's. Also men don't complete
> > their full physical growth until about 40. Perhaps
> > maturity comes with shoulders, for some.
>
> I hope you're not saying it is normal to *not* feel
> like a man until
> you are 40 or 50. I'll have to ask dh when he
> finally knew he was
> grown up. Gee, let me see, when did I finally know
> I was grown up?
>
> Probably not until recently when I could finally
> keep my house
> clean. Now that is a sad commentary!
>
> Anyone else care to expound upon this thought.
>
>
> Pat
>
>
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on 2/25/02 5:39 PM, homeschoolmd at homeschoolmd@... wrote:
finally knew I was grown up when I was hosing out the barf from a car seat
at about age 32.
-Dan Vilter
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> I hope you're not saying it is normal to *not* feel like a man untilI'm still a kid in my heart. Unschooling helps with that <G>. But I
> you are 40 or 50. I'll have to ask dh when he finally knew he was
> grown up.
finally knew I was grown up when I was hosing out the barf from a car seat
at about age 32.
-Dan Vilter
Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.
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In a message dated 2/26/2002 4:40:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
household slob all my growing up years, but now she's one of those people who
seems effortlessly tidy as can be - that clicked in at maybe around 50 years
old.
So - wait - I'm going to be 50 in a couple of days -- does this mean that
somehow I am going to suddenly magically be able to keep our house even
reasonably orderly?
Somehow I really really doubt it <G>.
But maybe that's what I'll wish for when I blow out the candles on my
birthday cake <BEG>. It would make life easier, if we could FIND things when
we want them.
--pam who has already spent time this morning searching the house for the
heating pad, a blank cassette tape, a copy of some paperwork, and the
cordless phone <BEG>. And it is 10 am and I've only been out of bed for an
hour.
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[email protected] writes:
> Probably not until recently when I could finally keep my houseTHAT is a function of finally growing up? Maybe you're right! My mom was a
> clean. Now that is a sad commentary!
household slob all my growing up years, but now she's one of those people who
seems effortlessly tidy as can be - that clicked in at maybe around 50 years
old.
So - wait - I'm going to be 50 in a couple of days -- does this mean that
somehow I am going to suddenly magically be able to keep our house even
reasonably orderly?
Somehow I really really doubt it <G>.
But maybe that's what I'll wish for when I blow out the candles on my
birthday cake <BEG>. It would make life easier, if we could FIND things when
we want them.
--pam who has already spent time this morning searching the house for the
heating pad, a blank cassette tape, a copy of some paperwork, and the
cordless phone <BEG>. And it is 10 am and I've only been out of bed for an
hour.
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In a message dated 2/26/02 10:12:26 AM, dvilter@... writes:
<< But I
finally knew I was grown up when I was hosing out the barf from a car seat
at about age 32.
I think people get older the way you drive a standard.
You take your foot of the brake gradually as you push the gas pedal. And
even when you're accelerating, you know you can't go forward at that rate
forever. And sometimes you change gears. And sometimes you start back at a
standstill. And some people have no fourth or fifth gear, no matter how long
they live.
Maybe fifth gear for an extended time without overheating is Maslow's
self-actualization.
Sandra
<< But I
finally knew I was grown up when I was hosing out the barf from a car seat
at about age 32.
>>Fond memories can keep us young at heart. <g>
I think people get older the way you drive a standard.
You take your foot of the brake gradually as you push the gas pedal. And
even when you're accelerating, you know you can't go forward at that rate
forever. And sometimes you change gears. And sometimes you start back at a
standstill. And some people have no fourth or fifth gear, no matter how long
they live.
Maybe fifth gear for an extended time without overheating is Maslow's
self-actualization.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
>Was that by any chance around the time her nest emptied? <g>
>THAT is a function of finally growing up? Maybe you're right! My mom was a
>household slob all my growing up years, but now she's one of those people who
>seems effortlessly tidy as can be - that clicked in at maybe around 50 years
>old.
>So - wait - I'm going to be 50 in a couple of days -- does this mean thatFlylady time?
>somehow I am going to suddenly magically be able to keep our house even
>reasonably orderly?
>
>Somehow I really really doubt it <G>.
>
>But maybe that's what I'll wish for when I blow out the candles on my
>birthday cake <BEG>. It would make life easier, if we could FIND things when
>we want them.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Sharon Rudd
> >So - wait - I'm going to be 50 in a couple of daysI've been over 50+ for 2 and half years. Other people
> -- does this mean that
> >somehow I am going to suddenly magically be able to
> keep our house even
> >reasonably orderly?
still mess up my house.
Sharon of the Swamp
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--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., PSoroosh@a... wrote:
career woman, I thought - if I could earn as much money as my idea of
a man, I could consider myself successful. (I realize the flaws in
this thinking but that's the way it was)
So last night as I was asking for others to respond the my question -
when did you know you were grown up?, I gave it a quick thought
myself. I got this image of myself throughout my adult life (I'm 45)
always feeling like I was trying to get somewhere, and somehow I got
this sense that I was closer because I could keep my house picked up
and my kids were helping out.
I think part of this comes from my desire for control. I can't
control my kids or my husband yet I still need something to control.
The something seems to be my my house.
If you guys would give me the check list for successful unschooling
mom maybe I'd feel like I had some control over that role.
(OK, OK, JUST KIDDING!)
Pat
> In a message dated 2/26/2002 4:40:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,I think that comes from my goal setting mind set. When I was a
> AlwaysLearning@y... writes:
>
>
> > Probably not until recently when I could finally keep my house
> > clean. Now that is a sad commentary!
>
> THAT is a function of finally growing up?
career woman, I thought - if I could earn as much money as my idea of
a man, I could consider myself successful. (I realize the flaws in
this thinking but that's the way it was)
So last night as I was asking for others to respond the my question -
when did you know you were grown up?, I gave it a quick thought
myself. I got this image of myself throughout my adult life (I'm 45)
always feeling like I was trying to get somewhere, and somehow I got
this sense that I was closer because I could keep my house picked up
and my kids were helping out.
I think part of this comes from my desire for control. I can't
control my kids or my husband yet I still need something to control.
The something seems to be my my house.
If you guys would give me the check list for successful unschooling
mom maybe I'd feel like I had some control over that role.
(OK, OK, JUST KIDDING!)
Pat
Sharon Rudd
If you guys would give me the check list for
1. Able to pee while nursing an infant, reading a
story to a toddler and talking on the phone without
wetting one's clothing or inspiring the question
"What's that?" from anyone.
2.
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> successful unschoolingList changes as children grow older
> mom maybe I'd feel like I had some control over that
> role.
> (OK, OK, JUST KIDDING!)
>
> Pat
1. Able to pee while nursing an infant, reading a
story to a toddler and talking on the phone without
wetting one's clothing or inspiring the question
"What's that?" from anyone.
2.
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