Karen Matlock

I agree. My very own mil does this constantly. "Grandma loves you, give
Grandma a kiss, want to help Grandma?" Believe it or not, it's the least
dysfunctional thing she does, so I just trust my kids to know insincerity
when they see it.

And for the several parents who've posted recently about wanting to
unschool, or how to unschool: hang in there. I'm deschooling myself, and
it's tougher than I thought. I counted it up the other day: I have 21 years
of public education to overcome; no wonder it's taking awhile. Meanwhile I
trust my kids and I'm learning far more from them than they ever learned
when I was trying to "teach" them.

Karen


Message: 18
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:20:08 -0700
From: ddzimlew@...
Subject: Re: struggling


> "Mommy has no choice now but to spank you."
> "You give Mommy no choice."


This is so creepy. This is chilling to the bone creepy. *I* didn't do
it, it was that other vague *mommy* thing, and therefor *I* am not
responsible.
AACK!

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In a message dated 12/10/2001 7:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kbmatlock@... writes:

> I agree. My very own mil does this constantly. "Grandma loves you, give
> Grandma a kiss, want to help Grandma?" Believe it or not, it's the least
> dysfunctional thing she does, so I just trust my kids to know insincerity
> when they see it.

I don't find this necessarily dysfunctional. I used to do this, not because
I was trying in any way to disassociate myself from children, but because I
was trying to help them learn the family connections & proper ways of
addressing elders/family members. It was confusing for my toddlers to hear
my husband calling me "Honey" and my mom calling me "Pam", the neighbor
calling me "Mrs. so-n-so". So, I called myself mommy to them until it was
established that that was how they should address me. As they grew a little
older, obviously, that was no longer necessary. :::::zipping up my flame
suit::::::


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[email protected]

Speaking of dysfunctional and mommy. This is embarrasing. I still call my mom
"mommy" and my dad "daddy".
They always preferred it that way. If we (sisters and I) tried to change it
to "mom" or "dad", they would make a fuss, saying they didn't want to be
called that. (???????????) Don't ask me why, I don't know.

I suppose now, as adults, we could take a stance and start calling our
parents mom and dad, or pretty much anything we wanted to. But, out of
respect for their wishes, we still call them "mommy" and "daddy". We all feel
awfully silly doing so, tho, and joke about the whole thing amongst
ourselves.

My kids call me "mom".
-------------
Mine call me "mom" now, too. It was a natural progression from "mommy" to
"mom" as they got older.

LOL - your story reminds me of one in my family. My brother (baby of the
family), at the age of about 10, asked my mom to stop kissing him. She was a
little hurt by the request. He said, "Well, I don't mind if you kiss me -
could you just stop doing it at the bus stop?" lol.



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[email protected]

In a message dated 12/10/01 8:41:03 PM, curtkar@... writes:

<< We all feel awfully silly doing so, tho, and joke about the whole thing
amongst ourselves. >>

My grandmother was always called Mummy by her daughters -- I think from her
days in South Africa. I don't know that it's dysfunctional to call someone
by the name they prefer. Perhaps Mommy and Daddy feels more affectionate to
them than Mom and Dad? Have they said?

My kids call me Mom too.

Sharon

Karin

Speaking of dysfunctional and mommy. This is embarrasing. I still call my mom "mommy" and my dad "daddy".
They always preferred it that way. If we (sisters and I) tried to change it to "mom" or "dad", they would make a fuss, saying they didn't want to be called that. (???????????) Don't ask me why, I don't know.

I suppose now, as adults, we could take a stance and start calling our parents mom and dad, or pretty much anything we wanted to. But, out of respect for their wishes, we still call them "mommy" and "daddy". We all feel awfully silly doing so, tho, and joke about the whole thing amongst ourselves.

My kids call me "mom".

Karin





> I agree. My very own mil does this constantly. "Grandma loves you, give
> Grandma a kiss, want to help Grandma?" Believe it or not, it's the least
> dysfunctional thing she does, so I just trust my kids to know insincerity
> when they see it.

>I don't find this necessarily dysfunctional. I used to do this, not because
>I was trying in any way to disassociate myself from children, but because I
>was trying to help them learn the family connections & proper ways of
>addressing elders/family members. It was confusing for my toddlers to hear
>my husband calling me "Honey" and my mom calling me "Pam", the neighbor
>calling me "Mrs. so-n-so". So, I called myself mommy to them until it was
>established that that was how they should address me. As they grew a little
>older, obviously, that was no longer necessary. :::::zipping up my flame
>suit::::::


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Karen Matlock

Take that flame suit off right now! No need for it here, remember? :)

Kidlets are 5 and 10 now, and I hope they can distinguish between different
family members by now. To me, it's still creepy that it's gone on this long.

As far as what they call us, they've progressed thru mommy and daddy to mom
and dad (ds) and mama and daddy (dd). There was a brief spell of first
names, which I was amused by and dh less so. My folks are Mother and Daddy
to me, probably because that's what my mom called her folks. And woe be to
the grandchild that calls her Grandma! She's Mimi, thank you very much.


Message: 21
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:56:32 EST
From: kpgrew96@...
Subject: Re: RE: Struggling

In a message dated 12/10/2001 7:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kbmatlock@... writes:

> I agree. My very own mil does this constantly. "Grandma loves you, give
> Grandma a kiss, want to help Grandma?" Believe it or not, it's the least
> dysfunctional thing she does, so I just trust my kids to know insincerity
> when they see it.

I don't find this necessarily dysfunctional. I used to do this, not because
I was trying in any way to disassociate myself from children, but because I
was trying to help them learn the family connections & proper ways of
addressing elders/family members. It was confusing for my toddlers to hear
my husband calling me "Honey" and my mom calling me "Pam", the neighbor
calling me "Mrs. so-n-so". So, I called myself mommy to them until it was
established that that was how they should address me. As they grew a little
older, obviously, that was no longer necessary. :::::zipping up my flame
suit::::::



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I called my mother Mother and my grandmother
Grandmother, my boys, and some others call me Mama and
the living grandmas (step?grandmas) are Grandma. My
mother, deceased, we refer to as Redhaired Grandma.

Other Sharon, hence forward to be Sharon of the Swamp

--- sharonve@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/10/01 8:41:03 PM,
> curtkar@... writes:
>
> << We all feel awfully silly doing so, tho, and joke
> about the whole thing
> amongst ourselves. >>
>
> My grandmother was always called Mummy by her
> daughters -- I think from her
> days in South Africa. I don't know that it's
> dysfunctional to call someone
> by the name they prefer. Perhaps Mommy and Daddy
> feels more affectionate to
> them than Mom and Dad? Have they said?
>
> My kids call me Mom too.
>
> Sharon
>


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My mom is "Grandmama" (theatrical accent on the 'grand' and a quick 'mama' following) to our kids. It fits her personality so well!
Jennifer
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Matlock
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:32 PM


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zenmomma *

>Speaking of dysfunctional and mommy. This is embarrasing. I still call my
>mom "mommy" and my dad "daddy".

My dear brother, Marty, called our mom "mommy" til the day he died.
Literally. (At age 55, BTW.) I'm not sure why, he just always did. I never
thought to question it. I'm not sure this post has a point, but I just got
lovely warm fuzzies bringing up that memory. Thanks, Karin :o)

~Mary

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Karin

Maybe dsyfunctional is a harsh word for this. But we do feel uncomfortable being "made" to say "mommy", at times.
I think it is more of a respect issue......

Karin


----- Original Message -----
From: sharonve@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] RE: Struggling



In a message dated 12/10/01 8:41:03 PM, curtkar@... writes:

<< We all feel awfully silly doing so, tho, and joke about the whole thing
amongst ourselves. >>

My grandmother was always called Mummy by her daughters -- I think from her
days in South Africa. I don't know that it's dysfunctional to call someone
by the name they prefer. Perhaps Mommy and Daddy feels more affectionate to
them than Mom and Dad? Have they said?

My kids call me Mom too.

Sharon


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Angela

All right... a quick intro....

I am Angela. We unschool here in Maine. My girls are Leigh (7) and Lilly
(5) and they have always been unschooled. I have been around a few
unschooling groups for a couple of years now so some of you may remember me.
:0) Winter is here and I have a little more time to sit at the computer, so
here I am, checking out new unshooling groups.... We live in a small town
with a myraid of animals. Currently we are have 2 angora goats, 14 laying
hens, rabbit, 2 guinea pigs, hamster, 2 cats, and some fish. :0) We enjoy
our animals tremendously though some days I wonder what I was thinking when
we aquired them all. ;-) I enjoy knitting and reading (this week), Leigh
enjoys playing games, Lilly enjoys pretending. I just updated my geocities
unschooling webpage if you want to learn a little more about us. Hi
everyone!!

Angela in Maine
mailto:unschooling@...
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http://www.geocities.com/autonomousangela






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Karin

Maybe I'll feel differently about this whole thing in the future. Because calling our parents mommy and daddy was/is somewhat forced, it has bothered us sometimes. I say "us" because my sisters and I have talked about this alot.
At this point, we don't think about it much. Our parents names are "mommy" and "daddy" and if we started calling them anything different at this point, it would feel wrong.

You're welcome, Mary. :-)

Karin



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From: zenmomma *
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] RE: Struggling



>Speaking of dysfunctional and mommy. This is embarrasing. I still call my
>mom "mommy" and my dad "daddy".

My dear brother, Marty, called our mom "mommy" til the day he died.
Literally. (At age 55, BTW.) I'm not sure why, he just always did. I never
thought to question it. I'm not sure this post has a point, but I just got
lovely warm fuzzies bringing up that memory. Thanks, Karin :o)

~Mary

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My mom is also a Mimi, LOL she could not stand grandma/granny etc. I would
like to be a granny myself :) at some point.
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Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] RE: Struggling
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:39:52 -0500

My mom is "Grandmama" (theatrical accent on the 'grand' and a quick 'mama'
following) to our kids. It fits her personality so well!
Jennifer
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Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:32 PM


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At 09:39 PM 10/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

>My mom is "Grandmama" (theatrical accent on the 'grand' and a quick 'mama'
>following) to our kids. It fits her personality so well!

When my granddaughter was born, we were all given the choice of what we
were called. I chose to be called Granna, which is what we called my own
maternal grandmother (because my oldest cousin couldn't say grandma). My
dh (the step-grandfather) chose Poppy. My ex wanted to be
Grandpappy. When Skye was about 2, she had a little friend who couldn't
quite say Grandpappy, so she'd say, let's go see your Happy. Happy, he's
been ever since. It's kind of ironic, as he's one of the least happy
people I know.
Tia

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I called my daddy "daddy" always (he died when I was in my 20's) but I
started calling my mommy (who had been mommy) "mom" when I was in my late
20's because I was irritated with her. I was being formal. <g> My sister
still calls her mommy, at least behind her back. I don't.

My kids call me Mom mostly, but Sandra in reference sometimes, or on the
phone. I don't catch when they use "Sandra" but other people have pointed it
out.

Sandra


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My 17 yo still calls me "mommy." She said it in front of some adults the
other day (in a community college art class we are taking together) and one
of the other adults said, "Oh - watch out - she's wanting something...." in a
sort of sarcastic tone of voice. Roya and I didn't get it - looked at him
blankly. He explained, "You know --- when they call you 'Mommy' it means that
they're buttering you up."

--pam

zenmomma *

>My kids call me Mom mostly, but Sandra in reference sometimes, or on the
>phone. I don't catch when they use "Sandra" but other people have pointed
>it
>out.
>

My husband has called his parents by their first names since he was 16. I
don't think it started out of disrespect, but more of a a growing-up,
becoming another adult (or so he thought at 16!) thing. I don't remember if
they minded it then, but now it's just a part of how they relate to one
another.

My Conor started calling us by our first names when he was 3. That was
probably because it's the names he heard everyone else call us. His dad
thought it was great. But I asked Conor if he would please call me
mom/mommy, since he was (at the time) the only one in the world who could
give me that title. He liked that idea. He eventually drifted back to
calling his dad "dad" on his own.

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I tried to get my kids to use my name, mostly because I love the sound of it in their voices, but none of them would do it regularly. They felt like I was taking away a special privilage so I gave up on it. I'm not really too keen on the generic mom, mama, mommy, especially when I'm out and I find myself jarred into alert mode every time a child calls for their MOMMY. It reminds me of my nursing days, when every time I heard a baby cry, my milk would start to flow<bg>. Just a wonderful memory now, oh how I miss those days.

Leslie
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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] RE: Struggling


I called my daddy "daddy" always (he died when I was in my 20's) but I
started calling my mommy (who had been mommy) "mom" when I was in my late
20's because I was irritated with her. I was being formal. <g> My sister
still calls her mommy, at least behind her back. I don't.

My kids call me Mom mostly, but Sandra in reference sometimes, or on the
phone. I don't catch when they use "Sandra" but other people have pointed it
out.

Sandra


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Tia Leschke

At 11:30 PM 10/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

>My mom is also a Mimi, LOL she could not stand grandma/granny etc. I would
>like to be a granny myself :) at some point.

It's great fun. I've got two now, a girl just turning 7 and a boy 14
months. I just found out I'm getting another one in August. Yippee!

My mother had a friend growing up who called her mother Meemah, backwards
for Mommy. That's what her kids called their grandmother too.
Tia

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>
>My Conor started calling us by our first names when he was 3. That was
>probably because it's the names he heard everyone else call us. His dad
>thought it was great. But I asked Conor if he would please call me
>mom/mommy, since he was (at the time) the only one in the world who could
>give me that title. He liked that idea. He eventually drifted back to
>calling his dad "dad" on his own.

That's what I always said to my kids. I didn't even ask them to call me
Mummy. I just told them that they were the only kids who *could* call me
that. If they had still preferred my name, I would have gone along with
it. They all changed it to Mum as they got older, but my 14 year old still
sometimes uses Mummy. I like it.
Tia

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Hi all, Jacli here :)
I'm Costa Rican (and a host of other things), Hubby is from
Northern Italy so
I'm Mama, he's Papa (though for a couple of years he was
Marco, which he thought
adorable and I didn't.) my mother is Abuela, my grandmother
is Abuelita. His parents are
Nonna and Da (woe unto the child who calls him Nonno or
Grandpa) and his grandmother
was Nonna Gina.
Jacli

>Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:39:52 -0500
> From: "Jennifer Deets" <jdeets@...>
>Subject: Re: RE: Struggling
>
>My mom is "Grandmama" (theatrical accent on the 'grand'
and a quick 'mama'
>following) to our kids. It fits her personality so well!
>Jennifer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karen Matlock
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:32 PM
>
>
> And woe be to the grandchild that calls her Grandma!
She's Mimi, thank
>you very much.
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:42:01 -0800
> From: Nancy Wooton <Felicitas@...>
>Subject: Re: Should Technology Save Us?
>
>on 12/10/01 2:56 PM, SandraDodd@... at
SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
>> << A distaff is a spindle on a spinning wheel; a symbol
of hearth, home,
>and
>> woman.
>>
>> A spear is, well, obvious in contrast. >>
>>
>> But they're both long pokey things. Not quite a set, as
symbolism goes.
>
>LOL that they are. I think what is obvious is that one
is the purvue of
>the woman (hearth) and the other of the man (hunt).
>
>And yeah, I've heard about that Martha Monument.
>
>
>Nancy
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:47:15 -0700
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
>Subject: Re: RE: Struggling
>
>
>>Speaking of dysfunctional and mommy. This is embarrasing.
I still call my
>>mom "mommy" and my dad "daddy".
>
>My dear brother, Marty, called our mom "mommy" til the day
he died.
>Literally. (At age 55, BTW.) I'm not sure why, he just
always did. I never
>thought to question it. I'm not sure this post has a
point, but I just got
>lovely warm fuzzies bringing up that memory. Thanks,
Karin :o)
>
>~Mary
>
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>Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:48:19 -0700
> From: "Karin" <curtkar@...>
>Subject: Re: RE: Struggling
>
>Maybe I'll feel differently about this whole thing in the
future. Because
>calling our parents mommy and daddy was/is somewhat
forced, it has
>bothered us sometimes. I say "us" because my sisters and I
have talked
>about this alot.
>At this point, we don't think about it much. Our parents
names are "mommy"
>and "daddy" and if we started calling them anything
different at this
>point, it would feel wrong.
>
>You're welcome, Mary. :-)
>
>Karin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: zenmomma *
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] RE: Struggling
>
>
>
> >Speaking of dysfunctional and mommy. This is
embarrasing. I still call
>my
> >mom "mommy" and my dad "daddy".
>
> My dear brother, Marty, called our mom "mommy" til the
day he died.
> Literally. (At age 55, BTW.) I'm not sure why, he just
always did. I
>never
> thought to question it. I'm not sure this post has a
point, but I just
>got
> lovely warm fuzzies bringing up that memory. Thanks,
Karin :o)
>
> ~Mary
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:32:59 -0500
> From: "Angela" <unschooling@...>
>Subject: Intro/ Hi from ME
>
>All right... a quick intro....
>
>I am Angela. We unschool here in Maine. My girls are
Leigh (7) and Lilly
>(5) and they have always been unschooled. I have been
around a few
>unschooling groups for a couple of years now so some of
you may remember
>me.
>:0) Winter is here and I have a little more time to sit
at the computer,
>so
>here I am, checking out new unshooling groups.... We live
in a small town
>with a myraid of animals. Currently we are have 2 angora
goats, 14 laying
>hens, rabbit, 2 guinea pigs, hamster, 2 cats, and some
fish. :0) We enjoy
>our animals tremendously though some days I wonder what I
was thinking when
>we aquired them all. ;-) I enjoy knitting and reading
(this week),
>Leigh
>enjoys playing games, Lilly enjoys pretending. I just
updated my geocities
>unschooling webpage if you want to learn a little more
about us. Hi
>everyone!!
>
>Angela in Maine
>mailto:unschooling@...
>Check Out My Unschooling Page!
>http://www.geocities.com/autonomousangela
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>Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:35:19 EST
> From: KathrynJB@...
>Subject: Re: Julian Day
>
>In a message dated 12/10/2001 9:02:52 PM Eastern Standard
Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
>
>> If it's a bigger thing, we
>> >might ask him to wait until Christmas or a birthday (Or
Julian Day,
>another
>> >story).
>>
>> OK, Let's hear it!
>>
>
>Okay...here it is...
>Remember when you were a kid, around Mother's Day or
Father's day, and
>asked
>your parents "When is Children's Day?" Remember what they
said?
>
>"Everyday is Children's Day."
>
>Well, when Julian asked (when he was about 5), we set a
date, and now,
>every
>year, we have a Julian Day. It's cool, because it's
different than a
>birthday. We recognize what he's especially interested in
and do a special
>activity, and there's a gift. The gifts are less likely to
just be toy
>kinds
>of things, and more connected to who he is. For example,
this past year he
>got a kayak. The gift isn't always that expensive, but it
always reflects
>something important about him or his interests.
>
>We also have Mother's Day (for me) and Beffy-Boo Day ( for
Beth). And he
>celebrates Father's Day with his dad.
>
>We're just party kinda people :)
>
>Kathryn
>
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>Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:37:16 EST
> From: KathrynJB@...
>Subject: Re: Rosemund
>
>In a message dated 12/10/2001 9:02:52 PM Eastern Standard
Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
>
>> The author of these "Bill of Rights" is John Rosemond,
>> a family psychologist who writes a weekly column which
>> is published in over 200 newspapers.
>> He gives terrific, common sense advice to parents. His
>> web site is www.rosemond.com. >>>>>
>>
>> Reads more like, 'How to crush your children's spirit
>> completely'. I feel like crying for the children of
>> the parents who read this guy and think that "He gives
>> terrific, common sense advice". IMO he seems like a
>> very frustrated (he obviously didn't get his 'needs'
>> met and needs to make sure that others don't get
>> theirs met either) and controlling person. The fact
>> that this guy is in over 200 newspapers is just plain
>> scary to me.
>>
>>
>
>I've heard that his mother thinks all his theories are
bull poopy (they
>are...estranged), and that he's a pretty inactive father.
>
>Kathryn
>
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>Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:25:46 -0700
> From: "Karin" <curtkar@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Julian Day
>
>This sounds great Kathryn! I have always said "Every day
is Kid's Day" to
>my kids. The standard response.
>I'll think about incorporating a special day for each of
them, besides
>their birthday. They would love it.
>Thanks for the idea!
>
>Karin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: KathrynJB@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:35 PM
> Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Julian Day
>
>
> In a message dated 12/10/2001 9:02:52 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > If it's a bigger thing, we
> > >might ask him to wait until Christmas or a birthday
(Or Julian Day,
>another
> > >story).
> >
> > OK, Let's hear it!
> >
>
> Okay...here it is...
> Remember when you were a kid, around Mother's Day or
Father's day, and
>asked
> your parents "When is Children's Day?" Remember what
they said?
>
> "Everyday is Children's Day."
>
> Well, when Julian asked (when he was about 5), we set a
date, and now,
>every
> year, we have a Julian Day. It's cool, because it's
different than a
> birthday. We recognize what he's especially interested
in and do a
>special
> activity, and there's a gift. The gifts are less likely
to just be toy
>kinds
> of things, and more connected to who he is. For example,
this past year
>he
> got a kayak. The gift isn't always that expensive, but
it always
>reflects
> something important about him or his interests.
>
> We also have Mother's Day (for me) and Beffy-Boo Day (
for Beth). And he
> celebrates Father's Day with his dad.
>
> We're just party kinda people :)
>
> Kathryn
>
>
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>Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:30:15 -0500
> From: "Tami Labig-Duquette" <labigduquette@...>
>Subject: Re: RE: Struggling
>
>My mom is also a Mimi, LOL she could not stand
grandma/granny etc. I would
>like to be a granny myself :) at some point.
>Indiana Tami
>
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>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] RE: Struggling
>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:39:52 -0500
>
>My mom is "Grandmama" (theatrical accent on the 'grand'
and a quick 'mama'
>following) to our kids. It fits her personality so well!
>Jennifer
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:32 PM
>
>
> And woe be to the grandchild that calls her Grandma!
She's Mimi, thank
>you very much.
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>Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:30:22 -0800
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
>Subject: Titles was RE: Struggling
>
>At 09:39 PM 10/12/01 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>My mom is "Grandmama" (theatrical accent on the 'grand'
and a quick
>'mama'
>>following) to our kids. It fits her personality so well!
>
>When my granddaughter was born, we were all given the
choice of what we
>were called. I chose to be called Granna, which is what
we called my own
>maternal grandmother (because my oldest cousin couldn't
say grandma). My
>dh (the step-grandfather) chose Poppy. My ex wanted to be

>Grandpappy. When Skye was about 2, she had a little
friend who couldn't
>quite say Grandpappy, so she'd say, let's go see your
Happy. Happy, he's
>been ever since. It's kind of ironic, as he's one of the
least happy
>people I know.
>Tia
>
>Tia Leschke leschke@...
>On Vancouver Island
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>Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:15:57 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: RE: Struggling
>
>I called my daddy "daddy" always (he died when I was in my
20's) but I
>started calling my mommy (who had been mommy) "mom" when I
was in my late
>20's because I was irritated with her. I was being
formal. <g> My
>sister
>still calls her mommy, at least behind her back. I don't.
>
>My kids call me Mom mostly, but Sandra in reference
sometimes, or on the
>phone. I don't catch when they use "Sandra" but other
people have pointed
>it
>out.
>
>Sandra
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>Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:50:21 -0800
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
>Subject: Math Site
>
>
>>
>>
>>http://www.shout.net/~mathman/
>>It is by Don Cohen, aka The Mathman. He's a nice guy who
sometimes
>>participates on homeschooling lists since homeschoolers
tend to be good
>>customers for his unusual materials.
>>
>>--pam
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>Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:20:21 EST
> From: PSoroosh@...
>Subject: Re: RE: Struggling
>
>My 17 yo still calls me "mommy." She said it in front of
some adults the
>other day (in a community college art class we are taking
together) and
>one
>of the other adults said, "Oh - watch out - she's wanting
something...."
>in a
>sort of sarcastic tone of voice. Roya and I didn't get it
- looked at him
>blankly. He explained, "You know --- when they call you
'Mommy' it means
>that
>they're buttering you up."
>
>--pam
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>Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:08:12 -0800
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
>Subject: Re: struggling
>
>
>>
>> > I don't, but I have a good friend who is a widower
unschooling 4 kids.
> I
>> > think he's doing a great job. In fact I think he's
doing a somewhat
>better
>> > job than his wife did, and she was my good friend.
The kids were (I
>think)
>> > 5, 7, 11, and 13 when their mother died. Dennis would
do just about
>> > anything for his kids.
>> >
>>Are these Bonnie's children? I thought about asking how
they were doing
>>but wasn't sure if you knew them. Vancouver Island is
pretty big in some
>>ways!
>
>They used to live in the same town as me until they moved
to
>Victoria. Yes, this is Bonnie's family. Dennis works for
my dh off and
>on.
>
>
>>I joined the Home-Ed list a few months after she died -
it is a place
>where
>>she is greatly loved and highly respected by everyone.
In fact someone is
>>making pink fuzzy things for their pink flamingo
Christmas decorations.
>Did
>>she like pink fuzzy things in real life?
>
>LOL! When Bonnie and I first got online and joined
Home-Ed in about 1996,
>there was a discussion about leaving toilet seats up or
down, which
>degenerated into some discussion about people putting pink
fuzzy toilet
>seat covers on their toilets. It was good for a lot of
laughs over time,
>but you kinda had to be there. <g> When Bonnie got
cancer, Tane found a
>pink fuzzy jacket and sent it to Bonnie. She used it to
meet people at a
>homeschooling conference we went to in Vancouver. "We'll
just meet at the
>pink fuzzy jacket" or something like that. But it was
always a joke. She
>wouldn't have worn pink in real life.
>
>And I wouldn't say she was always highly respected by
*everyone*. Bonnie
>was a lot like Sandra, in that she always said what she
thought....no
>beating around the bush. The unschoolers and attachment
parents liked her
>though.
>
>
>>Her writings on her website helped me a lot when I first
started exploring
>>unschooling.
>
>I recently discovered that they're still available....all
of them. The
>addy is on my computer that's away at the computer
hospital, but if you
>search on Wayback Machine or something like that and then
put in the addy
>www.islandnet.com/bedford you'll probably get it. You
might have to add a
>second /bedford. I'm not sure. If you can't find it, ask
me in a couple
>of days when I have the other 'puter back.
>Tia
>
>Tia Leschke leschke@...
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>Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:42:24 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: struggling
>
>In a message dated 12/10/01 10:33:36 PM Mountain Standard
Time,
>leschke@... writes:
>
>
>> And I wouldn't say she was always highly respected by
*everyone*.
>Bonnie
>> was a lot like Sandra, in that she always said what she
thought....no
>> beating around the bush. The unschoolers and attachment
parents liked
>her
>> though.
>>
>
>So you mean she was highly respected by the brighter,
saner people?
>
>(Just guessing...)
>
>Sandra
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>Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:15:40 -0800
> From: Cindy <crma@...>
>Subject: Re: struggling
>
>
>
>SandraDodd@... wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 12/10/01 10:33:36 PM Mountain
Standard Time,
>> leschke@... writes:
>>
>> > And I wouldn't say she was always highly respected by
*everyone*.
>Bonnie
>> > was a lot like Sandra, in that she always said what
she thought....no
>> > beating around the bush. The unschoolers and
attachment parents liked
>her
>> > though.
>> >
>>
>> So you mean she was highly respected by the brighter,
saner people?
>>
>> (Just guessing...)
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>
>She was respected by the people whose posts I enjoy
reading, people whose
>words make me think and question why I'm doing whatever.
I'd say they
>were the saner, brighter people!
>
>--
>
>Cindy Ferguson
>crma@...
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>Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:31:09 -0800
> From: Cindy <crma@...>
>Subject: Re: struggling
>
>
>
>Tia Leschke wrote:
>>
>> >Her writings on her website helped me a lot when I
first started
>exploring
>> >unschooling.
>>
>> I recently discovered that they're still
available....all of them. The
>> addy is on my computer that's away at the computer
hospital, but if you
>> search on Wayback Machine or something like that and
then put in the addy
>> www.islandnet.com/bedford you'll probably get it. You
might have to add
>a
>> second /bedford. I'm not sure. If you can't find it,
ask me in a couple
>> of days when I have the other 'puter back.
>> Tia
>>
>
>When I used www2.islandnet.com/~bedford/bonnie.html for my
search, I found
>them! That's neat to see those again!!!
>
>--
>
>Cindy Ferguson
>crma@...
>
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>Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:50:28 EST
> From: Natrlmama@...
>Subject: Re: Shopping/Money
>
>In a message dated 12/9/01 1:55:14 PM Pacific Standard
Time,
>jdeets@... writes:
>
><< I'm thinking there should be a set base amount (even
if it's only 50
>cents a week) they get just because they are in our family
and are unable
>to
>get money any other way. >>>>
>
>In our family, my children (eldest dd) have come up with
ideas for making
>her
>own money. She doesn't ask for money or ask to work for me
to make money.
>I think it started out that she just liked the idea of
selling something
>and
>making money, not that she really had a want or need for
it, just the idea
>of a "sale". So we picked avocadoes and she sold them
when she was
>6. She made a fortune. Next year our friend, and avocado
rancher told
>us to come pick his so we did, and the kids almost tripled
their income.
>Obviously this is a little niche the children have found,
they have the
>right
>product (plus its FREE) and a good location.
>
>
><<<This small sum would permit them not to have to feel
the extent of my
>money-spending power all the time -- they would not be
completely
>dependent
>upon me (except for getting them to the stores :)). >>>>>>
>
>I am finding this allowance talk informative. I like what
you have said
>here.
>We don't give an allowance and I
>really hadn't planned on it. The way I was raised, I
didn't get
>one but I seldom seemed to want for anything either. Mom
paid for the
>show,
>or whatever. We did garage sales and I always got stuff.
With
>the kids it seems to be the same way. Plus their dad
leaves tons of change
>around which sometimes they ask if they can have. If it
falls from the
>dresser
>or counter, its goes to whomever finds it LOL. I thought
for a long time
>that
>this was the best way, letting them come up with ways to
earn money
>(but not making it too hard by letting them have the
change, plus Grandma
>money etc). but I do sometimes like the ideas discussed
with allowances.
>They opened savings accounts from their last sale and
frankly I think
>they have forgotten about the money.
>I have to share the cutest story today. We were at a
Stationary store and
>the kids were off shopping on their own, each carrying
his/her wallet. I
>was on one end they on the other with calling back and
forth mom? how
>much is this, I would go check or have them bring it to
me. Half way thru
>my shopping expedition my littlest who is 4 comes up to me
telling me
>he wants to buy this pencil. So I let him know how much it
is as he gets
>in line. I stand back a ways. He asks me to hold his
balloon and I say
>no you better pay for it first. He tells me he already
payed for it. He
>was
>just so cute to see standing in line like he knew his
business and paying
>for his stuff and he really didn't need me at all! When I
had been in
>another
>part of the store he had gotten in line and already paid
for the balloon!
>
> <<The other part is can they do things to add to their
regular amount if
>they want to get something special? I am loathe to make
regular
>keep-the-house-running-smoothly tasks up for financial
grabs, but maybe
>there
>are other things they could do to be entrepreneurs.... >>
>
>My dd has a book on ideas for kids to make money.
Something I think would
>be really cool for a kid to do is to sell outgrown toys,
games etc. on
>ebay.
>My
>dd wanted a new American Girl doll, so she sold her old
one on ebay for
>almost
>as much as we paid for it and purchased a new one. I
think she only had
>to pay a difference of about $6 and I picked up the
difference for her
>anyhow,
>plus I hate to have her pay for shipping so I paid for
that also.
>Sometimes I
>think I'm not teaching her about money when I don't have
her pay for those
>Shipping etc. but she has little and I have more and I
like to share.
>
>Kathy
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