Nanci Kuykendall

OK, our latest challange. I have a couple of nudists
here apparently. I don't have a problem with them
running around the house nude sometimes, but lately it
has been ALL the time. The complain of being cold,
but won't get dressed, or they get dressed for a
little bit and then shed the clothes again. I can't
have anyone over, and I feel like a mole with the
shades drawn all the time. I can't go anywhere,
because they won't get dressed. Even trips to the
park and bike rides are not enticing enough to get my
oldest, Thomas, into clothes. He says "Naah...no
thanks. I just want to be naked." So I can't take
his brother out and we are stuck here.

I know a lot of this has to do with Thomas' Sensory
Intgration Dysfuntion. This is where the scratching
thing comes from too, it helps him process when he is
having stress of too much sensory input to have his
back, head or arms scratched. This is the child that
has to put his socks on inside out, have all the tags
cut out of his clothes, and wears only certain kinds
of fabrics and cuts of clothes (nothing too baggy,
scratchy, stiff or thick, etc.) Alex does it more
often just because he wants to do what Thomas is
doing.

I really want them to have healthy attitudes about
their bodies, but I am wondering if I have to move to
a nudist colony to avoid being a hermit.

Nanci K.

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I have a nudest too. They out grow it. How
old are your kids? Lexie will rarely be
naked and I find it sad. ONe day Janene was
dancing with great joy and abandon to Joseph
and the brightly colored rain pants, naked
and free. It was beautiful to watch. Then I
watched Lexie. She was watchign Janene and
slowly taking her sleep shirt off. She
looked at me to see if I noticed and I
smiled. She took it off and joined her
sister and they enjoyed the freedom of their
bodies. Too bad society has influenced me so
much that I couldn't join them. How sad.

And about going places. we used to fight
with Janene about that too. For a while we
made every trip include one to the park. Now
it's not an issue. The other day she was
naked and Lexie went outside to play with
neighbor girls. A bit later Janene
disappeared and returned a few minutes later
fully clothed. Later I realized she had no
underwear on but hey, who needs those!

My girls also rarely wear shoes. It drives
all of our Asian neighbors batty (we live in
a predominately Korean neighborhood, for they
wear shoes outside and socks or house
slippers inside. but guess which house the
kids are always playing in?

Joylyn

Nanci Kuykendall wrote:

> OK, our latest challange. I have a couple
> of nudists
> here apparently. I don't have a problem
> with them
> running around the house nude sometimes,
> but lately it
> has been ALL the time. The complain of
> being cold,
> but won't get dressed, or they get dressed
> for a
> little bit and then shed the clothes
> again. I can't
> have anyone over, and I feel like a mole
> with the
> shades drawn all the time. I can't go
> anywhere,
> because they won't get dressed. Even trips
> to the
> park and bike rides are not enticing enough
> to get my
> oldest, Thomas, into clothes. He says
> "Naah...no
> thanks. I just want to be naked." So I
> can't take
> his brother out and we are stuck here.
>
> I know a lot of this has to do with Thomas'
> Sensory
> Intgration Dysfuntion. This is where the
> scratching
> thing comes from too, it helps him process
> when he is
> having stress of too much sensory input to
> have his
> back, head or arms scratched. This is the
> child that
> has to put his socks on inside out, have
> all the tags
> cut out of his clothes, and wears only
> certain kinds
> of fabrics and cuts of clothes (nothing too
> baggy,
> scratchy, stiff or thick, etc.) Alex does
> it more
> often just because he wants to do what
> Thomas is
> doing.
>
> I really want them to have healthy
> attitudes about
> their bodies, but I am wondering if I have
> to move to
> a nudist colony to avoid being a hermit.
>
> Nanci K.
>
>
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In a message dated 2/8/02 4:09:29 PM, joylyn@... writes:

<< My girls also rarely wear shoes. It drives
all of our Asian neighbors batty (we live in
a predominately Korean neighborhood, for they
wear shoes outside and socks or house
slippers inside. but guess which house the
kids are always playing in? >>

The karate dojo had a problem once when Holly showed up barefooted (not for
class, just with me to pick Kirby up). If you have no shoes to take off, you
can't bring your dirty outside feet in on their clean Japanese floor. So I
understand the objection.

Sandra

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My friend has three boys who all decided to get naked. Their poor older
sister was just grossed out by the whole thing and the last straw was
when she found them jumping, in all their naked glory on her bed. Their
mom found a Tarzan movie and made them all loin cloths with the
stipulation that underwear must be worn to protect their sisters
sensibilities. They were ( mostly ) naked for a few months but
eventually put clothes back on.

Have they discovered body painting yet? That might be messy. = )

I'd explain that they had to be dressed to go places because cute as they
are not everyone wants to see their little behinders hanging out. Then
I'd go to the fun places without them once or twice. If that doesn't
work Sandra had some info about places it was ok to be naked...

Fake fur from the fabric store to make cave man clothes out of? Would
you be embarrassed taking little cave men to the store with you? We
went everywhere for weeks with a cloth string grocery bag on my sons
head. He was Mrs. Quarks and he suffered from the dreaded kirksigurkis.
We got a lot of strange looks but thankfully it wasn't contagious.

Deb L

Joylyn

Yep you are right, Sandra. I understand their reasons, just don't share
them.

This family has two very bright children. The mom has a Masters or Dr in
Music, she teaches Lexie Piano, and Lexie has to bring clean socks when
she goes. Lexie NEVER wears socks (except for snow play last week, I
don't think her feet have seen socks in a year!) except for piano
lessons. Anyway, both kids, the boy is 9 and the girl is 7, are
beautiful, gifted, sweet kids, but they rarely have a chance to be
kids. They are allowed mud play, but only on certain days and under
certain conditions. Their house is spot less, and I do mean totally
spot less. There are no clues that children live there, except the small
shoes in the entry way. But the kids spend time over here, where they
can play play station and computer games, or go play in the mud, or
write all over our sidewalk with chalk. They are in the gifted classes
at school and I know that the mom doesn't really agree with the way we
raise our children but she is far to polite to say anything, and also,
it's really hard to dispute Lexie and Janene's skills, so that helps. I
think it would be harder if Lexie were a late reader or if she wasn't so
verbal. Even though the 7 year old is almost a year older than Lexie,
Lexie's skills are far above her and both kids are in gifted classes, at
a magnet school. So while I understand their reasons and respect their
culture, I am often saddened by the, well, I;m not sure what to call it,
it just seems those kids never are kids. They both play piano and
violin and something else, and are gifted musically, but man, it's so
nice to see them come to my house and relax and play crash bandicoot.

rambling

Joylyn

SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 2/8/02 4:09:29 PM, joylyn@... writes:
>
> << My girls also rarely wear shoes. It drives
> all of our Asian neighbors batty (we live in
> a predominately Korean neighborhood, for they
> wear shoes outside and socks or house
> slippers inside. but guess which house the
> kids are always playing in? >>
>
> The karate dojo had a problem once when Holly showed up barefooted
> (not for
> class, just with me to pick Kirby up). If you have no shoes to take
> off, you
> can't bring your dirty outside feet in on their clean Japanese floor.
> So I
> understand the objection.
>
> Sandra
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In a message dated 2/8/02 8:57:30 PM, ddzimlew@... writes:

<< If that doesn't
work Sandra had some info about places it was ok to be naked... >>

I did? My back yard, when the kids were little, was clothing-optional....

(I did? Me? Did I link a nudists' homeschooling resort or something?)

moonmeghan

We
> went everywhere for weeks with a cloth string grocery bag on
my sons
> head. He was Mrs. Quarks and he suffered from the dreaded
kirksigurkis.
> We got a lot of strange looks but thankfully it wasn't
contagious.
>
> Deb L

LOL!! This reminds me of Tamzin's younger years (now she's far
too concerned about what other's will think - shame). She's been
out and about in public in some mighty odd gear (dalmation suit,
super princess, the bubble monster, etc, etc).

Meghan

andrea_kim_2000

> My girls also rarely wear shoes. It drives
> all of our Asian neighbors batty (we live in
> a predominately Korean neighborhood, for they
> wear shoes outside and socks or house
> slippers inside. but guess which house the
> kids are always playing in?
>
> Joylyn


LOL!! My husband is Korean and we just finished
spending 2 1/2 years living with my in-laws. We
moved out in September. I can TOTALLY relate to
the shoes issue. They were constantly on my kids
to wear shoes, so much so, that they would lecture
Laura behind my back about the importance of shoes
and wearing clothes. They would say, "You are a
young lady, young ladies wear CLOTHES!!" Etc,,,
I had many battles with them about childrearing
issues. (note: they don't like me much at all as
I refuse to be the submissive DIL that they expect
from Korean women). Anyway, I told all my in-laws
that I DON'T CARE if my kids don't like shoes, that
I don't like them either and to make my point, I
started going barefoot WAY more than usual outside
so when they started in on my daughter about how
she should be wearing shoes and then look at me
for reinforcement, I would say, "Why does she need
shoes? I'm not wearing any." Then I would smile
sweetly and they would grump and go away. :-)

I'm sooooo glad to be out of there finally as it
was very hard living with them (lots of cultural
clashes), but at the same time, I will be forever
grateful they allowed us to be there for those
2 1/2 years. It allowed us to get out of debt
while letting me remain a full time SAHM.

Andrea Kim :-)
Mommy to two sweet girls!
Laura (2/16/96) and Allison (8/31/99)
Kent, WA,,,,,,soon to be Seattle!!!

Nanci Kuykendall

>I have a nudest too. They out grow it. How
>old are your kids?

3 and 5 years old.

>Too bad society has influenced me so
>much that I couldn't join them. How sad.

I must confess I still take the kids in the tub/shower
with me or with both hubby and I, and we sleep in the
nude and change in front of them, or go scantily clad
around the house sometimes....so I guess we are partly
to blame for the joyful abandon around here. Since I
am the only girl, I get to be a walking gender
differences instructor and also have to explain about
personal space and asking permissing before touching
other people and what parts of the body are private.
They are getting the idea when it comes to me, but
they don't get it yet when it comes to themselves and
still tell people in public places (usually pretty
young women) "I have a boy peepee!" At least they
don't then SHOW these people the aforementioned
peepee....

Nanci K.

PS: I rarely wear shoes either.

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on 2/8/02 3:02 PM, Joylyn at joylyn@... wrote:

> My girls also rarely wear shoes. It drives
> all of our Asian neighbors batty

Where do you live? I'm in Southern CA where we have no hookworms, but for
people who've lived where those are a problem, seeing barefoot kids makes
'em panic. I have a Chinese friend who was shocked to see Americans eat
*lettuce* without boiling it into the soup; the parasites one picks up from
unwashed/uncooked veggies there are nasty.

Nancy (whose mom nearly died from parasites acquired on a trip to Asia)

Sharon Rudd

Hookworm larvae (ground itch) are from animal feces
(cat mostly) that is infected. Not so common on
sidewalks or concrete. But tuberculosis is endemic in
Asia. And getting worse, here. Gobbing (spitting)is a
common practice in some areas (to get rid of "bad
throat devils"). Urinating in public is also common in
Asia so that all sort of things can be contracted on
or through skin, from hepatitis (endemic in Asia) to
weird fungi. Shoes, and not touching anything, are
necessary for personal hygiene in some areas....such
as hospitals (everywhere).

In Asia the yucky shoes are left in an entrance hall
and indoor "slippers" are donned. Guest were the
guest "slippers". I couldn't bear to do this in
Japan....lots of people had fungi or various sorts, so
I carried my own indoor shoes (thick socks), and the
boys, with me in a bag. What a bother. It was good to
get back home where common people don't pee all over
everything, and spitting is rude.

In FL sandspurs, prickly pear, and other prickly stuff
as well as biting critters makes shoes desirable in
rural areas. Hot sidewalks, tar, GLASS, bits of wire
and other trash make shoes desirable in urban areas.
Glass is even a problem at the beaches.

But when I was a child I met a friend of my
mother's...an old Cracker who never wore shoes.
Sandspurs didn't stick in his feet, snakes couldn't
bite through the thick tanned leather he had for skin.
This old man wore skins and a coon-skin hat. He made
coon-skin hats for my brothers and me, too. he did
chew and spit, but didn't care if the slimy stuff
oozed up between his toes.

Your neighbor can't cook out toxins. Veggies have to
be cleaned everywhere, anyway. Regardless of
parasites....clean sand has an unpleasant texture, and
insects are an unpleasant surprise, too. Of course
grasshoppers and such are eaten (with relish) in lots
of places, too. To me, a fried grasshopper shop
stinks up the whole street.

Sharon of the Swamp


--- Nancy Wooton <Felicitas@...> wrote:
> on 2/8/02 3:02 PM, Joylyn at joylyn@... wrote:
>
> > My girls also rarely wear shoes. It drives
> > all of our Asian neighbors batty
>
> Where do you live? I'm in Southern CA where we have
> no hookworms, but for
> people who've lived where those are a problem,
> seeing barefoot kids makes
> 'em panic. I have a Chinese friend who was shocked
> to see Americans eat
> *lettuce* without boiling it into the soup; the
> parasites one picks up from
> unwashed/uncooked veggies there are nasty.
>
> Nancy (whose mom nearly died from parasites
> acquired on a trip to Asia)
>
>


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We live in Garden Grove, close to Disneyland.

Joylyn

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> on 2/8/02 3:02 PM, Joylyn at joylyn@... wrote:
>
> > My girls also rarely wear shoes. It drives
> > all of our Asian neighbors batty
>
> Where do you live? I'm in Southern CA where we have no hookworms, but
> for
> people who've lived where those are a problem, seeing barefoot kids
> makes
> 'em panic. I have a Chinese friend who was shocked to see Americans
> eat
> *lettuce* without boiling it into the soup; the parasites one picks up
> from
> unwashed/uncooked veggies there are nasty.
>
> Nancy (whose mom nearly died from parasites acquired on a trip to
> Asia)
>
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Joylyn

We live in Garden Grove, close to Disneyland.

Joylyn

Nancy Wooton wrote:

> on 2/8/02 3:02 PM, Joylyn at joylyn@... wrote:
>
> > My girls also rarely wear shoes. It drives
> > all of our Asian neighbors batty
>
> Where do you live? I'm in Southern CA where we have no hookworms, but
> for
> people who've lived where those are a problem, seeing barefoot kids
> makes
> 'em panic. I have a Chinese friend who was shocked to see Americans
> eat
> *lettuce* without boiling it into the soup; the parasites one picks up
> from
> unwashed/uncooked veggies there are nasty.
>
> Nancy (whose mom nearly died from parasites acquired on a trip to
> Asia)
>
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In a message dated 2/9/02 10:43:22 PM, Felicitas@... writes:

<< I have a Chinese friend who was shocked to see Americans eat
*lettuce* without boiling it into the soup; the parasites one picks up from
unwashed/uncooked veggies there are nasty.
>>

Keith got hepatitis from a salad at an asian restaurant in San Francisco. We
were talking about that a bit the other day, when I came across the pretty
little matchbox he had from there. He remembers being really sick for about
a week. He was nearly dying for about a month. (Maybe it's a little like I
remember being in hard labor for eight hours or so, when it was 36 hours. A
kindness of memory.)

Sandra