Nanci Kuykendall

>--12 yo dd plans on taking engineering of some kind
>in college. I don't know how she will get the math
>she needs for this program if she doesn't feel like
>hitting the math workbooks. I'm trusting that when
>she gets older if she still wants to get into an
>engineering program, she will do what it takes. ....
>Pat

Pat my husband is a mechanical engineer. My dad is a
mechanical and nuclear engineer and my grandfather was
a structural and chemical engineer. Two of my sisters
are engineers, mechanical and environmental, and their
two husbands are engineers, mechanical and
environmental structural. One of my brothers is a
civil structural engineer. You get the idea. Your
daughter will get the math she needs. To do
engineering you have to pretty much LIKE math, and if
you like math, you pick up a lot of it over time.

Besides, colleges begin with Algebra in the the core
group of classes required for undergraduates. The
colleges of engineering do not generally begin until
students have fulfilled all the required basic core
courses. If she needs to do some catching up at the
college stage, the clases will be available in college
for her to do that. There are plenty of entering
freshman who went through school and did not learn the
math they need and so need to "catch up."

Nanci K.

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Nancy, thank you for that information. My dd loves math but does not like arithmetic. It will be interesting to see where her interests take her.

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: Nanci Kuykendall
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:16 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Math for College


>--12 yo dd plans on taking engineering of some kind
>in college. I don't know how she will get the math
>she needs for this program if she doesn't feel like
>hitting the math workbooks. I'm trusting that when
>she gets older if she still wants to get into an
>engineering program, she will do what it takes. ....
>Pat

Pat my husband is a mechanical engineer. My dad is a
mechanical and nuclear engineer and my grandfather was
a structural and chemical engineer. Two of my sisters
are engineers, mechanical and environmental, and their
two husbands are engineers, mechanical and
environmental structural. One of my brothers is a
civil structural engineer. You get the idea. Your
daughter will get the math she needs. To do
engineering you have to pretty much LIKE math, and if
you like math, you pick up a lot of it over time.

Besides, colleges begin with Algebra in the the core
group of classes required for undergraduates. The
colleges of engineering do not generally begin until
students have fulfilled all the required basic core
courses. If she needs to do some catching up at the
college stage, the clases will be available in college
for her to do that. There are plenty of entering
freshman who went through school and did not learn the
math they need and so need to "catch up."

Nanci K.

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Fetteroll

on 2/5/02 4:42 PM, Pat Cald... at homeschoolmd@... wrote:

> My dd loves math but does not like arithmetic.

I did lousy at arithmetic. Got C's. Missed out on taking Algebra early
because I wasn't doing well in math.

Then when I hit Algebra when I could dispense with the numbers and use
letters, and work with patterns I started getting A's and went onto
engineering :-)

Joycw


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Fetteroll

on 2/5/02 4:16 PM, Nanci Kuykendall at aisliin@... wrote:

> If she needs to do some catching up at the
> college stage, the clases will be available in college
> for her to do that.

Some colleges. For others she might have to attend a community college to
get in high school courses. The college I went to began right in with
Calculus. The only lower level courses offered were over the summer before
freshman year for promising kids from bad schools.

> Your
> daughter will get the math she needs.  To do
> engineering you have to pretty much LIKE math, and if
> you like math, you pick up a lot of it over time. 

Yes :-)

There are things you can strew her path with of course.

Theoni Pappas has written a lot of math books, like the Joy of Mathematics.
If you go to the Joy of Mathematics page at Amazon, there are more of her
books and lists of recommendations. She has a book specifically for kids
(Math for Kids & other people too) and that should have links too.

Games Magazine and books

Books of logic puzzles

And I could come up with more later.

Joyce

Pat Cald...

From: Fetteroll
>Games Magazine and books

Can you recommend a Games Magazine?

>Books of logic puzzles

She was doing the Mind Benders Logic when we were doing school-at-home and loved them. Maybe she'll pick them up again at another time.

>And I could come up with more later.

Please do.

Pat



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Cindy

Fetteroll wrote:
>
> on 2/5/02 4:42 PM, Pat Cald... at homeschoolmd@... wrote:
>
> > My dd loves math but does not like arithmetic.
>
> I did lousy at arithmetic. Got C's. Missed out on taking Algebra early
> because I wasn't doing well in math.
>
> Then when I hit Algebra when I could dispense with the numbers and use
> letters, and work with patterns I started getting A's and went onto
> engineering :-)
>

I finally saw the beauty in arithmetic when I took a graduate level
course in logic and we studied the Incompleteness Theorem. I did okay
in it but didn't love math until algebra. Geometry, trig and calculus
were terrific too!

--

Cindy Ferguson
crma@...

Sharon Rudd

I apologize to Dar and Meghan. My aside was uncalled
for and tactless. I am abjectly sorry. I am
apologizing off-list, also.

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--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...>
wrote:
> I apologize to Dar and Meghan. My aside was uncalled
> for and tactless. I am abjectly sorry. I am
> apologizing off-list, also.
>
> Sharon of the Swamp(brain)
>
>
Sharon,

Thanks, but there's no need for an apology to me. I wasn't the
least bit offended by it. If anything I thought, there's still hope for
me too <g>. I'm not super lonely or anything like that. I just feel
ready for another relationship now. Also, it takes a lot more than
that to offend me or cause hurt feelings <gg>.

Meghan

Fetteroll

on 2/5/02 5:54 PM, Pat Cald... at homeschoolmd@... wrote:
>
> Can you recommend a Games Magazine?
>

Yes, Games Magazine. :-)

Here's a link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QJDY/qid=1012995615/br=2-5/ref=
br_ts_slwth_th_5/104-2700919-4463142

(There may be cheaper places to get a subscription but it's the only place
that popped up reasonably close to the top on Google. It seems like they
want to be quiet about their existence, though they've been around for
years.)

They've put out books. They used to publish a Games Magazine Junior, but I
guess not any more, but the book they published is still available:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0894806572/qid=1012997300/br=3-1/ref=
br_lfncs_b_1/104-2700919-4463142

(There's used ones starting at $.99 at Amazon! You might also try
http://www.half.com if that one is missing half its pages or something ;-)

There's some links to other books too.

I like Omni Games by Scott Morris but that's out of print. (There are others
by him too.) (Half.com might have it.) (Omni and Games are both for adults
so they may be on the challenging side. So, maybe get them for yourself :-)

And there's a nifty book for kids by Herbert Kohl about topology (of all
things ;-) but he says it's about patterns. (Which, of course, it is.) It's
called Inside, Outside, Loops and Lines. (And not a single number in it :-)
(That one isn't even listed at Amazon though it's only from 1995.)

The Number Devil is a great kids novel about math :-) Really! It's not only
funny but covers an amazing number of concepts without being too obviously
about math.

At some point you may want to look into Harold Jacobs' texts, especially his
Mathematical Endeavors. Check you library first to see if it might be
interesting for you daughter since it's textbook pricy.

Well, I'm being very bookish today so I'll suggest that you absolutely must
have pattern blocks. :-)

Joyce




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Pat Cald...

Joyce,

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

As you can see I didn't even know Games Magazine was the title. I guess the capitol letters should have given me a clue.

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: Fetteroll
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Math for College


on 2/5/02 5:54 PM, Pat Cald... at homeschoolmd@... wrote:
>
> Can you recommend a Games Magazine?
>

Yes, Games Magazine. :-)

Here's a link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QJDY/qid=1012995615/br=2-5/ref=
br_ts_slwth_th_5/104-2700919-4463142

(There may be cheaper places to get a subscription but it's the only place
that popped up reasonably close to the top on Google. It seems like they
want to be quiet about their existence, though they've been around for
years.)

They've put out books. They used to publish a Games Magazine Junior, but I
guess not any more, but the book they published is still available:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0894806572/qid=1012997300/br=3-1/ref=
br_lfncs_b_1/104-2700919-4463142

(There's used ones starting at $.99 at Amazon! You might also try
http://www.half.com if that one is missing half its pages or something ;-)

There's some links to other books too.

I like Omni Games by Scott Morris but that's out of print. (There are others
by him too.) (Half.com might have it.) (Omni and Games are both for adults
so they may be on the challenging side. So, maybe get them for yourself :-)

And there's a nifty book for kids by Herbert Kohl about topology (of all
things ;-) but he says it's about patterns. (Which, of course, it is.) It's
called Inside, Outside, Loops and Lines. (And not a single number in it :-)
(That one isn't even listed at Amazon though it's only from 1995.)

The Number Devil is a great kids novel about math :-) Really! It's not only
funny but covers an amazing number of concepts without being too obviously
about math.

At some point you may want to look into Harold Jacobs' texts, especially his
Mathematical Endeavors. Check you library first to see if it might be
interesting for you daughter since it's textbook pricy.

Well, I'm being very bookish today so I'll suggest that you absolutely must
have pattern blocks. :-)

Joyce




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In a message dated 2/6/02 6:45:37 AM, fetteroll@... writes:

<< Well, I'm being very bookish today so I'll suggest that you absolutely must
have pattern blocks. :-) >>

A great version of pattern blocks for all ages is a game called Tangoes. I
think it's not too hard to find; we got them at Zany Brainy.

Paula

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In a message dated 2/5/02 2:18:59 PM, aisliin@... writes:

<< There are plenty of entering
freshman who went through school and did not learn the
math they need and so need to "catch up." >>

That's why I'm so confident that my kids will be fine. I was terrified of
math by college, and took a "math for non majors" that did math in English,
and that I really loved. It didn't take off the fright, but it did show me
what math was good for, which my teachers in school had failed to do (even
though I'd ask them straight out).

And all around me were other kids as lost as I was, but who majored in
sciences and just started taking math and DID it.

I've been around when Keith helped friends of ours with calculus and trig.
It was totally like a foreign language to me, and so I just brought food and
drinks <g>, but what I did see clearly was that Keith liked it and thought it
was cool, and they were just afraid and had never thought "cool."

Sandra

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In a message dated 2/5/02 3:59:06 PM, homeschoolmd@... writes:

<< Can you recommend a Games Magazine? >>

Games Magazine. <g> That's what it's called.

They have specials, too--annuals, or "best of" or whatever, that you buy
separately. They're at newsstands (big ones).

We should resubscribe...

Sandra

Nanci Kuykendall

Yes, Joyce is right that some colleges start with
higher level math. I guess if she is not ready to
enter at that level, than she should not consider
those colleges until she is ready.

At the very least, when the student is college
shopping, she can take Jr College course, community
extension courses, or other source courses in what she
might want to brush up on.

As for strewing her path now, I think that Puzzlemania
(by the Highlights folks) might be a good subscription
to invest in.

Nanci K.

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Pat Cald...

We used to subscribe to Puzzlemania a few years ago and both girls liked it. I stopped getting it when they stopped doing the puzzles. Allison, 12 yo dd, kept all the magazines and has recently started doing them again. I'm starting to see a pattern here.

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: Nanci Kuykendall
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:13 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Math for College


Yes, Joyce is right that some colleges start with
higher level math. I guess if she is not ready to
enter at that level, than she should not consider
those colleges until she is ready.

At the very least, when the student is college
shopping, she can take Jr College course, community
extension courses, or other source courses in what she
might want to brush up on.

As for strewing her path now, I think that Puzzlemania
(by the Highlights folks) might be a good subscription
to invest in.

Nanci K.

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Sharon Rudd

We tried out a few of those. Tedious. For us,
anyway.

Sharon of the Swamp


> As for strewing her path now, I think that
> Puzzlemania
> (by the Highlights folks) might be a good
> subscription
> to invest in.
>
> Nanci K.


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On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:11:33 -0800 (PST) Sharon Rudd
<bearspawprint@...> writes:
> I apologize to Dar and Meghan. My aside was uncalled
> for and tactless. I am abjectly sorry. I am
> apologizing off-list, also.

FWIW, I interpreted it as a hopeful post, sort of sending us good wishes,
not tactless at all. I thought you were saying that you had once been
single, too (between marriages), and then had found someone, and that
could happen for Meghan and me, too. Which is cool.

So, *I* don't think you have anything to be sorry for, and if I totally
misinterpreted you don't have to say anything. ;-)

Dar
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moonmeghan

> Well, I'm being very bookish today so I'll suggest that you
absolutely must
> have pattern blocks. :-)
>
> Joyce
>


Tamzin has these. She loves them! She makes some really
amazing, cool stuff with them. She also has a set of Cuisenaire
Rods. She knew what colour equaled what value the second
time she had them out of the box! She also makes some pretty
wild structures with them.

Meghan