Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 135
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Some of these threads hit a little close to home for me...I can't even put
into words how they make me feel.
So I won't.
I did want to mention that my Grandmother immigrated to this country when she
was six years old, she is Swiss, spoke only German.
Strong German influence of course.
My father never remembers being held or cuddled...EVER.
He had a lot of issues as an adult to deal with because of it, but he's
always been a very warm and loving man. Very calm and caring with us.
His mother was cold and distant though. I think she's a fairly loving
Grandmother now, but I often see glimpses that tell me she thinks children
are a bother.
It's not how she treats my kids...she's really fun and good to them.
But things she says sometimes give it away.
She's changed a lot.
I never understood why the German mothers were considered cold and unloving.
It's a miracle any of those babies survived. Makes me sick.
And as much as I believe we need some adversity to learn certain lessons, I
don't see any necessary lessons coming from rape, torture and abuse. sorry.
No way.
I like the way you put it Nanci.
There is no way to justify some of the random events that screw people up and
hurt them for life.
If you believe that a soul chooses all of that, then what would the purpose
be of intervention? If you think they chose it, then you'd just stand back
and let evil things happen to them right?
That's the danger in that beleif system imo.
If I believe it's random, and not right...then intervention makes more sense.
Ren
into words how they make me feel.
So I won't.
I did want to mention that my Grandmother immigrated to this country when she
was six years old, she is Swiss, spoke only German.
Strong German influence of course.
My father never remembers being held or cuddled...EVER.
He had a lot of issues as an adult to deal with because of it, but he's
always been a very warm and loving man. Very calm and caring with us.
His mother was cold and distant though. I think she's a fairly loving
Grandmother now, but I often see glimpses that tell me she thinks children
are a bother.
It's not how she treats my kids...she's really fun and good to them.
But things she says sometimes give it away.
She's changed a lot.
I never understood why the German mothers were considered cold and unloving.
It's a miracle any of those babies survived. Makes me sick.
And as much as I believe we need some adversity to learn certain lessons, I
don't see any necessary lessons coming from rape, torture and abuse. sorry.
No way.
I like the way you put it Nanci.
There is no way to justify some of the random events that screw people up and
hurt them for life.
If you believe that a soul chooses all of that, then what would the purpose
be of intervention? If you think they chose it, then you'd just stand back
and let evil things happen to them right?
That's the danger in that beleif system imo.
If I believe it's random, and not right...then intervention makes more sense.
Ren
Shyrley
starsuncloud@... wrote:
recall but it's something to do with 'if evil didn't exist, there could
be no good'
I personally think that we don't 'choose' things to happen (can't
imagine 6 million jews choosing Germany for starters) but things happen
and we can 'choose' to learn from them.
We do attract some things - pessimists find that things go as they
forsee, and also our perception of an event depends on who we are and
how we deal with it. The human race seems to lurch from one atrocity to
the next but is learning all the time. You think back 500 years about
how things were. People in thrall to fear of the church, peasants bound
to cruel lords, slavery etc. Things on a grand scale change but as
individuals we focus on little bits of that tapestry.
umm, I've actually forgotton what point I was trying to make now....
Shyrley
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>Compassion is a thing to learn too. There's some quote which I can't
> If you believe that a soul chooses all of that, then what would the
> purpose
> be of intervention? If you think they chose it, then you'd just stand
> back
> and let evil things happen to them right?
> That's the danger in that beleif system imo.
> If I believe it's random, and not right...then intervention makes more
> sense.
> Ren
>
recall but it's something to do with 'if evil didn't exist, there could
be no good'
I personally think that we don't 'choose' things to happen (can't
imagine 6 million jews choosing Germany for starters) but things happen
and we can 'choose' to learn from them.
We do attract some things - pessimists find that things go as they
forsee, and also our perception of an event depends on who we are and
how we deal with it. The human race seems to lurch from one atrocity to
the next but is learning all the time. You think back 500 years about
how things were. People in thrall to fear of the church, peasants bound
to cruel lords, slavery etc. Things on a grand scale change but as
individuals we focus on little bits of that tapestry.
umm, I've actually forgotton what point I was trying to make now....
Shyrley
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