Susan Bundlie

My oldest daughter called nursing "mum" and she continued to want mum until
she was about five years old. She's now an extremely independent
21-year-old. Her sister, three years younger, called it "nuss" (not exactly
that, but I can't figure out how to write it phonetically--kind of "no us"
said quickly) 'cause she couldn't say her r's very well. Tandom nursing was,
most of the time, an incredible joy. The girls would play with each other's
hands and often fall asleep entwined.

I *love* this: my friend's sister's little girl calls nursing "the girls",
as in "I'm hungry--I want the girls".

Susan

Nanci Kuykendall

Sandra...Ewwwwww....that stuff about Germany is,
uh....disturbing. Sort of Interesting, in a train
wreck kind of way, but yes, gross.

Explains some things about Freud though!

Nanci K.

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In a message dated 1/15/02 3:52:30 PM, aisliin@... writes:

<< Sort of Interesting, in a train
wreck kind of way, but yes, gross. >>

"Train wreck" was my very thought when I chose to just close the page without
reading all the details. But I found some happier stuff there, to support my
theory that in general in the U.S. Jews are better parents than Christians.
I was torn up (an attempt was made) for saying that, but I persevered, and
spoke with Richard Prystowsky about it some in Sacramento (the whole talk
wasn't on that, but it touched on that), and today I found a LOVELY defense
of my argument, and posted it at www.unschooling.com!

Sandra

Nanci Kuykendall

>As for the age of weaning in mammals, perhaps I was
>mistaken about the second set of teeth. But they
>certainly don't wean until the first set
>is fully in and the infant can eat solids.
>Kathy Orlinsky

What animals who bear teeth as a species are born
without their first set? I cannot think of any.

Nanci K.


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Nanci Kuykendall

>As for the age of weaning in mammals, perhaps I was
>mistaken about the second set of teeth. But they
>certainly don't wean until the first set
>is fully in and the infant can eat solids.
>Kathy Orlinsky

>What animals who bear teeth as a species are born
>without their first set?

Barring Humans of course!

NBK


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on 1/16/02 3:11 PM, Nanci Kuykendall at aisliin@... wrote:

> What animals who bear teeth as a species are born
> without their first set? I cannot think of any.

The woman my daughter takes an animal science class from who also breeds
cats and dogs (among some more exotic creatures) says they end up swallowing
the milk teeth so that's why we don't see them laying around and assume they
never lose them. I guess the tooth fairies for cats and dogs don't have as
nearly a pleasant a job as tooth fairies for humans. ;-)

Here's the stages of development for wolves:


* 10 - 13 days: the eyes open
* 3 weeks: the milk teeth appear, they start to explore the den
* 4 - 5 weeks: short trips outside the den, begin to eat meat
* 6 weeks: moving up to a mile from the den (with adult wolf)
* 6 - 8 weeks: pups are weaned, traveling to rendezvous site.
* 12 weeks: begin to travel with the pack on hunts (with adult wolves)
* 15 - 28 weeks: milk teeth are replaced
* 7 - 8 months: begin to hunt with the pack

So the milk teeth appear shortly before they begin solid food. But they wean
quite a bit before the permanent teeth appear.

Katherine Dettwyler makes a good point that there's too much cultural
interference to determine when it's natural for humans to wean. She looked
at (http://www.prairienet.org/laleche/detwean.html) various animals,
including apes, and various factors (like body weight at weaning compared to
adult weight, age of permanent teeth and so forth) and came up with a range
from 2.5 to 7 years for weaning.

Joyce