a detox clinic for video gamers coming
Sandra Dodd
Chris/Zamozo sent me an article. I'm flipped two paragraphs to make
a point. #1, POOR KIDS
Research into video gaming is still in its infancy, and researchers
haven't agreed on how to define addiction. But many experts say it's
clear many of the young people who show dependency on video games are
in trouble.
His detox program begins in July. It will run four to eight weeks,
and will include therapy sessions, wilderness excursions, healthy
lifestyle workshops and possibly medication.
======================
They're going to medicate people (possibly) for something that isn't
defined.
This should be criminal.
The article talks about addiction in China, the Netherlands...
It reminds me of early 20th and 19th century opinions that
masturbation was a disease, and boys were "treated" for it�some of
them died and some killed themselves, and some were just scarred for
life, and found ways to act out their confusion and pain on others,
who passed it on to others...
There will be kids whose parents send them involuntarily to a clinic
to be "cured" of video gaming this summer, instead of them having
some time to relax from school in a way that's more useful and
intellectually stimulating than being at school.
And this: -=-In a 2005 study, Jansz said gamers are overwhelmingly
males, especially in violent games where adolescents find "a safe
private laboratory where they can experience different emotions."-
=- Sure! They could turn off the games, go outside and use the
world as a public laboratory to experience violence and different
emotions. Lots of kids do. And they join gangs and kill people and
go to prison in such numbers as it would seem to be noticeable, and
you'd think people would see video gaming as a safe home-game
alternative to trying those things out behind some bowling alley.
-=-"Many of these kids believe that when they sit down, they're going
to play two games and then do their homework," he said.-=-
It needs treatment because kids prefer it to homework, I guess.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/
AR2006060801060.html
That's not the very same site copied to me by Chris. Have others
seen this article?
What a sad thought, to control people to that extent.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
a point. #1, POOR KIDS
Research into video gaming is still in its infancy, and researchers
haven't agreed on how to define addiction. But many experts say it's
clear many of the young people who show dependency on video games are
in trouble.
His detox program begins in July. It will run four to eight weeks,
and will include therapy sessions, wilderness excursions, healthy
lifestyle workshops and possibly medication.
======================
They're going to medicate people (possibly) for something that isn't
defined.
This should be criminal.
The article talks about addiction in China, the Netherlands...
It reminds me of early 20th and 19th century opinions that
masturbation was a disease, and boys were "treated" for it�some of
them died and some killed themselves, and some were just scarred for
life, and found ways to act out their confusion and pain on others,
who passed it on to others...
There will be kids whose parents send them involuntarily to a clinic
to be "cured" of video gaming this summer, instead of them having
some time to relax from school in a way that's more useful and
intellectually stimulating than being at school.
And this: -=-In a 2005 study, Jansz said gamers are overwhelmingly
males, especially in violent games where adolescents find "a safe
private laboratory where they can experience different emotions."-
=- Sure! They could turn off the games, go outside and use the
world as a public laboratory to experience violence and different
emotions. Lots of kids do. And they join gangs and kill people and
go to prison in such numbers as it would seem to be noticeable, and
you'd think people would see video gaming as a safe home-game
alternative to trying those things out behind some bowling alley.
-=-"Many of these kids believe that when they sit down, they're going
to play two games and then do their homework," he said.-=-
It needs treatment because kids prefer it to homework, I guess.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/
AR2006060801060.html
That's not the very same site copied to me by Chris. Have others
seen this article?
What a sad thought, to control people to that extent.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
C Johnson
That is crazy. So now people need detox and medication for doing something that helps them to relax in a healthy manner.
Chrissie
Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
Chris/Zamozo sent me an article. I'm flipped two paragraphs to make
a point. #1, POOR KIDS
Research into video gaming is still in its infancy, and researchers
haven't agreed on how to define addiction. But many experts say it's
clear many of the young people who show dependency on video games are
in trouble.
His detox program begins in July. It will run four to eight weeks,
and will include therapy sessions, wilderness excursions, healthy
lifestyle workshops and possibly medication.
======================
They're going to medicate people (possibly) for something that isn't
defined.
This should be criminal.
The article talks about addiction in China, the Netherlands...
It reminds me of early 20th and 19th century opinions that
masturbation was a disease, and boys were "treated" for itsome of
them died and some killed themselves, and some were just scarred for
life, and found ways to act out their confusion and pain on others,
who passed it on to others...
There will be kids whose parents send them involuntarily to a clinic
to be "cured" of video gaming this summer, instead of them having
some time to relax from school in a way that's more useful and
intellectually stimulating than being at school.
And this: -=-In a 2005 study, Jansz said gamers are overwhelmingly
males, especially in violent games where adolescents find "a safe
private laboratory where they can experience different emotions."-
=- Sure! They could turn off the games, go outside and use the
world as a public laboratory to experience violence and different
emotions. Lots of kids do. And they join gangs and kill people and
go to prison in such numbers as it would seem to be noticeable, and
you'd think people would see video gaming as a safe home-game
alternative to trying those things out behind some bowling alley.
-=-"Many of these kids believe that when they sit down, they're going
to play two games and then do their homework," he said.-=-
It needs treatment because kids prefer it to homework, I guess.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/
AR2006060801060.html
That's not the very same site copied to me by Chris. Have others
seen this article?
What a sad thought, to control people to that extent.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Chrissie
Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
Chris/Zamozo sent me an article. I'm flipped two paragraphs to make
a point. #1, POOR KIDS
Research into video gaming is still in its infancy, and researchers
haven't agreed on how to define addiction. But many experts say it's
clear many of the young people who show dependency on video games are
in trouble.
His detox program begins in July. It will run four to eight weeks,
and will include therapy sessions, wilderness excursions, healthy
lifestyle workshops and possibly medication.
======================
They're going to medicate people (possibly) for something that isn't
defined.
This should be criminal.
The article talks about addiction in China, the Netherlands...
It reminds me of early 20th and 19th century opinions that
masturbation was a disease, and boys were "treated" for itsome of
them died and some killed themselves, and some were just scarred for
life, and found ways to act out their confusion and pain on others,
who passed it on to others...
There will be kids whose parents send them involuntarily to a clinic
to be "cured" of video gaming this summer, instead of them having
some time to relax from school in a way that's more useful and
intellectually stimulating than being at school.
And this: -=-In a 2005 study, Jansz said gamers are overwhelmingly
males, especially in violent games where adolescents find "a safe
private laboratory where they can experience different emotions."-
=- Sure! They could turn off the games, go outside and use the
world as a public laboratory to experience violence and different
emotions. Lots of kids do. And they join gangs and kill people and
go to prison in such numbers as it would seem to be noticeable, and
you'd think people would see video gaming as a safe home-game
alternative to trying those things out behind some bowling alley.
-=-"Many of these kids believe that when they sit down, they're going
to play two games and then do their homework," he said.-=-
It needs treatment because kids prefer it to homework, I guess.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/
AR2006060801060.html
That's not the very same site copied to me by Chris. Have others
seen this article?
What a sad thought, to control people to that extent.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yahoo! Groups Links
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Christy Putnam
DONT LET MY DH SEE THIS! lol seriously he is one that thinks that because
there are so many adults he has known that just work and go home and play
their games that Seth will end up like that if we don't monitor how long he
plays. I will admit I used to hate the idea of a gaming system in my home
because nothing would ever get done but to my defense, Seth was in school
then AND I was parenting much different than I do now. I am working on
learning to trust him regulating himself on many things and letting him
figure things out on his own. What my dh doesn't get is that the adults
that hyper-focus/make gaming their life outside of work were not ever
taught/allowed to self-regulate so now they are over indulging.
A question to ponder...how is over-indulging on foods any different than
over-indulging on games? In that respect, isn't it about time they came up
with this clinic? I mean we have them for weight loss and such so why not
for everything else seen as an addiction? Of course I think these should be
strictly for adults who can make the conscious choice to attend the clinic
of their own free will. But who are we to judge who "needs" it or not? If
people who are "addicted" to gaming don't have a problem with it, then why
should we as a society? I mean seriously, if we are sending our kids to
school to produce non-thinking drones, why wouldn't we like them just
sitting in from of the computer/TV playing video games...which in many
peoples eyes are non-productive? OR is it that the 'powers that be" see the
games as ways for people to break free of the norm and start using those
critical thinking skills we aren't supposed to access so they see a need to
get us off the games and back to force feeding us socialization as they see
it?
Okay so maybe I am going off the deep end here but these are all a series of
questions that bombarded my lil brain when I read this post. anyone care to
expand? Can you tell I have been reading "Dumbing Us Down," can ya, can ya,
huh? lol
In Gratitude,
Christy Putnam
Unschooling Mom to Aden (1) and Seth (11)
Loving wife of Chet (ann. 7/4/04)
Visit my blog &/or join my group:
<http://blog.myspace.com/personal_balance>
http://blog.myspace.com/personal_balance
<http://groups.myspace.com/unschoolingourfuture>
http://groups.myspace.com/unschoolingourfuture
"Go confidently in the direction of your
dreams. Live the life you have always
imagined." - Henry David Thoreau
_____
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of C Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] a detox clinic for video gamers coming
That is crazy. So now people need detox and medication for doing something
that helps them to relax in a healthy manner.
Chrissie
Sandra Dodd <Sandra@SandraDodd. <mailto:Sandra%40SandraDodd.com> com> wrote:
Chris/Zamozo sent me an article. I'm flipped two paragraphs to make
a point. #1, POOR KIDS
Research into video gaming is still in its infancy, and researchers
haven't agreed on how to define addiction. But many experts say it's
clear many of the young people who show dependency on video games are
in trouble.
His detox program begins in July. It will run four to eight weeks,
and will include therapy sessions, wilderness excursions, healthy
lifestyle workshops and possibly medication.
======================
They're going to medicate people (possibly) for something that isn't
defined.
This should be criminal.
The article talks about addiction in China, the Netherlands...
It reminds me of early 20th and 19th century opinions that
masturbation was a disease, and boys were "treated" for it-some of
them died and some killed themselves, and some were just scarred for
life, and found ways to act out their confusion and pain on others,
who passed it on to others...
There will be kids whose parents send them involuntarily to a clinic
to be "cured" of video gaming this summer, instead of them having
some time to relax from school in a way that's more useful and
intellectually stimulating than being at school.
And this: -=-In a 2005 study, Jansz said gamers are overwhelmingly
males, especially in violent games where adolescents find "a safe
private laboratory where they can experience different emotions."-
=- Sure! They could turn off the games, go outside and use the
world as a public laboratory to experience violence and different
emotions. Lots of kids do. And they join gangs and kill people and
go to prison in such numbers as it would seem to be noticeable, and
you'd think people would see video gaming as a safe home-game
alternative to trying those things out behind some bowling alley.
-=-"Many of these kids believe that when they sit down, they're going
to play two games and then do their homework," he said.-=-
It needs treatment because kids prefer it to homework, I guess.
http://www.washingt
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/>
onpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/
AR2006060801060.html
That's not the very same site copied to me by Chris. Have others
seen this article?
What a sad thought, to control people to that extent.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yahoo! Groups Links
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time you have been given."
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
there are so many adults he has known that just work and go home and play
their games that Seth will end up like that if we don't monitor how long he
plays. I will admit I used to hate the idea of a gaming system in my home
because nothing would ever get done but to my defense, Seth was in school
then AND I was parenting much different than I do now. I am working on
learning to trust him regulating himself on many things and letting him
figure things out on his own. What my dh doesn't get is that the adults
that hyper-focus/make gaming their life outside of work were not ever
taught/allowed to self-regulate so now they are over indulging.
A question to ponder...how is over-indulging on foods any different than
over-indulging on games? In that respect, isn't it about time they came up
with this clinic? I mean we have them for weight loss and such so why not
for everything else seen as an addiction? Of course I think these should be
strictly for adults who can make the conscious choice to attend the clinic
of their own free will. But who are we to judge who "needs" it or not? If
people who are "addicted" to gaming don't have a problem with it, then why
should we as a society? I mean seriously, if we are sending our kids to
school to produce non-thinking drones, why wouldn't we like them just
sitting in from of the computer/TV playing video games...which in many
peoples eyes are non-productive? OR is it that the 'powers that be" see the
games as ways for people to break free of the norm and start using those
critical thinking skills we aren't supposed to access so they see a need to
get us off the games and back to force feeding us socialization as they see
it?
Okay so maybe I am going off the deep end here but these are all a series of
questions that bombarded my lil brain when I read this post. anyone care to
expand? Can you tell I have been reading "Dumbing Us Down," can ya, can ya,
huh? lol
In Gratitude,
Christy Putnam
Unschooling Mom to Aden (1) and Seth (11)
Loving wife of Chet (ann. 7/4/04)
Visit my blog &/or join my group:
<http://blog.myspace.com/personal_balance>
http://blog.myspace.com/personal_balance
<http://groups.myspace.com/unschoolingourfuture>
http://groups.myspace.com/unschoolingourfuture
"Go confidently in the direction of your
dreams. Live the life you have always
imagined." - Henry David Thoreau
_____
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of C Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] a detox clinic for video gamers coming
That is crazy. So now people need detox and medication for doing something
that helps them to relax in a healthy manner.
Chrissie
Sandra Dodd <Sandra@SandraDodd. <mailto:Sandra%40SandraDodd.com> com> wrote:
Chris/Zamozo sent me an article. I'm flipped two paragraphs to make
a point. #1, POOR KIDS
Research into video gaming is still in its infancy, and researchers
haven't agreed on how to define addiction. But many experts say it's
clear many of the young people who show dependency on video games are
in trouble.
His detox program begins in July. It will run four to eight weeks,
and will include therapy sessions, wilderness excursions, healthy
lifestyle workshops and possibly medication.
======================
They're going to medicate people (possibly) for something that isn't
defined.
This should be criminal.
The article talks about addiction in China, the Netherlands...
It reminds me of early 20th and 19th century opinions that
masturbation was a disease, and boys were "treated" for it-some of
them died and some killed themselves, and some were just scarred for
life, and found ways to act out their confusion and pain on others,
who passed it on to others...
There will be kids whose parents send them involuntarily to a clinic
to be "cured" of video gaming this summer, instead of them having
some time to relax from school in a way that's more useful and
intellectually stimulating than being at school.
And this: -=-In a 2005 study, Jansz said gamers are overwhelmingly
males, especially in violent games where adolescents find "a safe
private laboratory where they can experience different emotions."-
=- Sure! They could turn off the games, go outside and use the
world as a public laboratory to experience violence and different
emotions. Lots of kids do. And they join gangs and kill people and
go to prison in such numbers as it would seem to be noticeable, and
you'd think people would see video gaming as a safe home-game
alternative to trying those things out behind some bowling alley.
-=-"Many of these kids believe that when they sit down, they're going
to play two games and then do their homework," he said.-=-
It needs treatment because kids prefer it to homework, I guess.
http://www.washingt
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/>
onpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/
AR2006060801060.html
That's not the very same site copied to me by Chris. Have others
seen this article?
What a sad thought, to control people to that extent.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yahoo! Groups Links
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time you have been given."
Gandalf
__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sandra Dodd
-=-What my dh doesn't get is that the adults
that hyper-focus/make gaming their life outside of work were not ever
taught/allowed to self-regulate so now they are over indulging. -=-
Your use of "taught/allowed" as a combined construct doesn't make sense.
You can't "teach" someone to "self-regulate."
And as to controls, the most controlled kids when it comes to food
seem to end up the most overeating or bulemic or anorexic adults. So
how WOULD a parent "teach" "self-regulation"?
These ideas have all come up before, and some of what was written
before is collected here:
http://sandradodd.com/food
http://sandradodd.com/control
http://sandradodd.com/choice
And Joyce Fetteroll has written quite a bit about how trying to
control people backfires in more ways than one.
http://home.earthlink.net/~fetteroll/rejoycing/
-=-question to ponder...how is over-indulging on foods any different
than
over-indulging on games? In that respect, isn't it about time they
came up
with this clinic? I mean we have them for weight loss and such so why
not
for everything else seen as an addiction?-=-
There have been "fat camps" and spas and gyms and diet organizations
and personal diet coaches for longer than any of us have been alive,
but what's your point?
-=-I mean seriously, if we are sending our kids to
school to produce non-thinking drones, why wouldn't we like them just
sitting in from of the computer/TV playing video games...which in many
peoples eyes are non-productive?-=-
They go to school because parents tell them to, so they can do what
teachers tell them to do.
If they go home and play games, they aren't doing what their parents
tell them to do or what teachers tell them to do.
Are you forgetting that school's control doesn't end when kids go
home? There's homework and getting clothes ready and going to bed
"early on a schoolnight."
Control, control, control.
Then people grow up and think "Now that I'm grown, 'they' can't
control me anymore," and they eat, or stay up, or drink, or play
video games. That doesn't make it an addiction. (Drinking can be a
physical addiction, and some kinds of eating might be, but not ALL.)
It makes it a response to earlier mistreatment. And it's a
predictable, logical response too. So now they will take your money
to medicate and cold-turkey and counsel you out of a reasonable
response to too many years of powerlessness.
More control.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
that hyper-focus/make gaming their life outside of work were not ever
taught/allowed to self-regulate so now they are over indulging. -=-
Your use of "taught/allowed" as a combined construct doesn't make sense.
You can't "teach" someone to "self-regulate."
And as to controls, the most controlled kids when it comes to food
seem to end up the most overeating or bulemic or anorexic adults. So
how WOULD a parent "teach" "self-regulation"?
These ideas have all come up before, and some of what was written
before is collected here:
http://sandradodd.com/food
http://sandradodd.com/control
http://sandradodd.com/choice
And Joyce Fetteroll has written quite a bit about how trying to
control people backfires in more ways than one.
http://home.earthlink.net/~fetteroll/rejoycing/
-=-question to ponder...how is over-indulging on foods any different
than
over-indulging on games? In that respect, isn't it about time they
came up
with this clinic? I mean we have them for weight loss and such so why
not
for everything else seen as an addiction?-=-
There have been "fat camps" and spas and gyms and diet organizations
and personal diet coaches for longer than any of us have been alive,
but what's your point?
-=-I mean seriously, if we are sending our kids to
school to produce non-thinking drones, why wouldn't we like them just
sitting in from of the computer/TV playing video games...which in many
peoples eyes are non-productive?-=-
They go to school because parents tell them to, so they can do what
teachers tell them to do.
If they go home and play games, they aren't doing what their parents
tell them to do or what teachers tell them to do.
Are you forgetting that school's control doesn't end when kids go
home? There's homework and getting clothes ready and going to bed
"early on a schoolnight."
Control, control, control.
Then people grow up and think "Now that I'm grown, 'they' can't
control me anymore," and they eat, or stay up, or drink, or play
video games. That doesn't make it an addiction. (Drinking can be a
physical addiction, and some kinds of eating might be, but not ALL.)
It makes it a response to earlier mistreatment. And it's a
predictable, logical response too. So now they will take your money
to medicate and cold-turkey and counsel you out of a reasonable
response to too many years of powerlessness.
More control.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Angela S.
<What my dh doesn't get is that the adults
that hyper-focus/make gaming their life outside of work were not ever
taught/allowed to self-regulate so now they are over indulging. >
Or maybe the just enjoy gaming.
Angela
Game-enthusiast@...
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that hyper-focus/make gaming their life outside of work were not ever
taught/allowed to self-regulate so now they are over indulging. >
Or maybe the just enjoy gaming.
Angela
Game-enthusiast@...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]