Carla Tucker

Can't find the post where someone recommended this movie, but I went and
saw it last night, and I was just blown away! I know very little about real
science, having taken earth science, biology and botany, on high school and
college levels. So chemistry, physics, etc are only things I know about
from reading science fiction! :-)

The discussion of quantum physics (or is it mechanics?) is way over my head.
Do any of you have any recommendations about where I can find more info that
is on my level or books that could lead me there, by the hand, as it were?

The ideas in this movie are so much an argument for natural learning/living
in that it makes clear that all of our lives are about our personal
perspective. And so if I can help my girls to keep from limiting themselves
to the known and accepted ideas of our culture and society, the whole world
is before them as a feast.which is SO not how it was when I went through the
public school system!

I feel inspired to unschool all over again! Many thanks to the poster who
mentioned this movie.

Carla



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Gold Standard

Hi Carla,

This is the link they have on their website for further resource/reading
info:

http://www.whatthebleep.com/nav_html/resources_books.php

I think your on the Phoenix Unschoolers list too...did you see it at the
Tempe theatre? That's where we saw it :)

Jacki

-----Original Message-----
From: Carla Tucker [mailto:carlasue@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] What the Bleep do We Know?


Can't find the post where someone recommended this movie, but I went and
saw it last night, and I was just blown away! I know very little about real
science, having taken earth science, biology and botany, on high school and
college levels. So chemistry, physics, etc are only things I know about
from reading science fiction! :-)

The discussion of quantum physics (or is it mechanics?) is way over my head.
Do any of you have any recommendations about where I can find more info that
is on my level or books that could lead me there, by the hand, as it were?

The ideas in this movie are so much an argument for natural learning/living
in that it makes clear that all of our lives are about our personal
perspective. And so if I can help my girls to keep from limiting themselves
to the known and accepted ideas of our culture and society, the whole world
is before them as a feast.which is SO not how it was when I went through the
public school system!

I feel inspired to unschool all over again! Many thanks to the poster who
mentioned this movie.

Carla



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I am Very into this "stuff"! :)

I highly recommend Susan James of
http://www.susanjames.org

She coined the phrase "User Friendly Physics".
She has written numerous books, gives workshops,
consulting, etc.

Love,
KJoy! The Pink Dancing Butterfly Mama!
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http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?kjoy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AP_Unschoolers


----- Original Message -----
From: Carla Tucker

The discussion of quantum physics (or is it mechanics?) is way over my head.
Do any of you have any recommendations about where I can find more info that
is on my level or books that could lead me there, by the hand, as it were?
Carla


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Carla Tucker

Yes, I am, and we did see it at Valley Art. It was supposed to be at
Centerpoint, but must have had a very short run there...I hadn't been there
since they got the stadium seating...that was a pleasant surprise! The last
time I was there was to see The Rocky Horror Picture Show...and that was at
least 8 years ago.

Carla

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From: Gold Standard [mailto:jacki@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [AlwaysLearning] What the Bleep do We Know?

Hi Carla,

This is the link they have on their website for further resource/reading
info:

http://www.whatthebleep.com/nav_html/resources_books.php

I think your on the Phoenix Unschoolers list too...did you see it at the
Tempe theatre? That's where we saw it :)

Jacki

-----Original Message-----
From: Carla Tucker [mailto:carlasue@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] What the Bleep do We Know?


Can't find the post where someone recommended this movie, but I went and
saw it last night, and I was just blown away! I know very little about real
science, having taken earth science, biology and botany, on high school and
college levels. So chemistry, physics, etc are only things I know about
from reading science fiction! :-)

The discussion of quantum physics (or is it mechanics?) is way over my head.
Do any of you have any recommendations about where I can find more info that
is on my level or books that could lead me there, by the hand, as it were?

The ideas in this movie are so much an argument for natural learning/living
in that it makes clear that all of our lives are about our personal
perspective. And so if I can help my girls to keep from limiting themselves
to the known and accepted ideas of our culture and society, the whole world
is before them as a feast.which is SO not how it was when I went through the
public school system!

I feel inspired to unschool all over again! Many thanks to the poster who
mentioned this movie.

Carla



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Gold Standard

It was our first time there. Course, we've only been in this area for two
years, so we don't have much history yet here!

Did you take your kids to it? If you did, how did that go?

Maybe these are "offline" questions...
D
Jacki



-----Original Message-----
From: Carla Tucker [mailto:carlasue@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [AlwaysLearning] What the Bleep do We Know?


Yes, I am, and we did see it at Valley Art. It was supposed to be at
Centerpoint, but must have had a very short run there...I hadn't been there
since they got the stadium seating...that was a pleasant surprise! The last
time I was there was to see The Rocky Horror Picture Show...and that was at
least 8 years ago.

Carla

-----Original Message-----
From: Gold Standard [mailto:jacki@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [AlwaysLearning] What the Bleep do We Know?

Hi Carla,

This is the link they have on their website for further resource/reading
info:

http://www.whatthebleep.com/nav_html/resources_books.php

I think your on the Phoenix Unschoolers list too...did you see it at the
Tempe theatre? That's where we saw it :)

Jacki

-----Original Message-----
From: Carla Tucker [mailto:carlasue@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] What the Bleep do We Know?


Can't find the post where someone recommended this movie, but I went and
saw it last night, and I was just blown away! I know very little about real
science, having taken earth science, biology and botany, on high school and
college levels. So chemistry, physics, etc are only things I know about
from reading science fiction! :-)

The discussion of quantum physics (or is it mechanics?) is way over my head.
Do any of you have any recommendations about where I can find more info that
is on my level or books that could lead me there, by the hand, as it were?

The ideas in this movie are so much an argument for natural learning/living
in that it makes clear that all of our lives are about our personal
perspective. And so if I can help my girls to keep from limiting themselves
to the known and accepted ideas of our culture and society, the whole world
is before them as a feast.which is SO not how it was when I went through the
public school system!

I feel inspired to unschool all over again! Many thanks to the poster who
mentioned this movie.

Carla



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Carla Tucker

Jackie said:
<<Did you take your kids to it? If you did, how did that go?>>

I did not take my kids as they are 5 and 10 months respectively. I would
like my daughter(s) to see it eventually, but she is not much of a fan of
the movie theatre, yet. She did surprise me today by asking, after a brief
conversation about the show, if we could try to rent the PBS special
"Frontier House." She doesn't remember seeing it, and I guess it sounded
interesting to her, but it surprised me as she has not made that kind of
request before.

Anyway, I think we will get it on DVD when it comes out, and then she will
have a chance to see it, if she wants. More than likely, she will see bits
and pieces of it while I am watching it, as opposed to sitting through it at
one go.

I remember you saying that your household has had many discussions about it.
I am hoping to do the same, first with my husband, and then with the girls
as they grow and so does the field of knowledge.

Did you feel that they made the point that life learning is actually the
only way we can possibly learn anything? That as an observer alone in our
heads that we choose what "reality" will be to us, which of course is
exactly what learning is, and that it's all about perspective so that we
limit ourselves when we lay an artificial layer of structure over our
learning (as in, for example, public school life, as opposed to independent
study of a subject that interests us).

Carla

Barbara Chase

>Did you feel that they made the point that life learning is actually the
>only way we can possibly learn anything? That as an observer alone in our
>heads that we choose what "reality" will be to us, which of course is
>exactly what learning is, and that it's all about perspective so that we
>limit ourselves when we lay an artificial layer of structure over our
>learning (as in, for example, public school life, as opposed to independent
>study of a subject that interests us).

Oh yeah! I got this out of the movie. I saw it twice in August, and I'm
planning on seeing it again soon. I may have been the one to recommend it,
don't know. I've been telling everyone they should see it.

I really loved the part of the movie where they talk about how it doesn't
make sense to believe that we can remember the past but not the future, and
that we can effect the future but not the past. What did the guy say... to
believe this is to be 3/4 of the way to dead...

Oh, and one of the favorite sections of the movie for many people is where
the scientist talks about how he wakes up in the morning and creates his
day. The text of this particular part of the movie used to be on their
website, but I can't find it on their newly designed site. Too bad!

About book recommendations... I like Depak Chopra. He has written several
books about how quantum physics applies to our lives, mostly in the area of
health but there are great extensions from there to living life. He also
simplifies the ideas with examples.

Someone else recommended:
>I highly recommend Susan James of
>http://www.susanjames.org
>
>She coined the phrase "User Friendly Physics".

Her stuff looks interesting, but it also looks to me more like self-help
than books to understand quantum physics. I'm not saying that I wouldn't
suggest them... just that they may be more of a tool for using your
thoughts in a new way to manifest what you want from life (which I believe
in, and quantum physics supports) rather than a book to understand the
principles of the subject.

And, here are other recommendations from their website: "The Field: The
Quest for the Secret Force of the Universe" ("the best overall book to
introduce all of the concepts raised in the film.") and "The Matter Myth:
Dramatic Discoveries that Challenge Our Understanding of Physical Reality"


ciao
--bc--

Gold Standard

>>I remember you saying that your household has had many discussions about
it.
>>I am hoping to do the same, first with my husband, and then with the girls
>>as they grow and so does the field of knowledge."

Yes, we talked a lot about it, and bought Masaru Emoto's book "The Hidden
Messages in Water" the same day because we were so curious about the bit
about his work in the movie. The book sits in our living room and a day
doesn't go by when I haven't noticed someone browsing through it (it shows
the difference in the growth design of water crystals when they are exposed
to different words). We talked about the movie the day we saw it, but since
have made reference to it many times when it has related to something in our
day, or some enlightenment someone is working on.

Our youngest son Cameron who is 10 sites this movie as one of his top 10,
which surprises me because I think he was actually bored by it. I think what
he likes is that it sparked so much neat conversation among all of us.

In truth, I don't remember movies much after I see them. It is the same for
this one, however I remember the messages I took away very well. I was
confused numerous times during the movie, I actually think they could have
done a better job making the messages clearer, because I think the truth of
what they are saying is simpler than the movie makes it. As a small budget
indie documentary however, I thought it was revolutionary.

>>Did you feel that they made the point that life learning is actually the
>>only way we can possibly learn anything? That as an observer alone in our
>>heads that we choose what "reality" will be to us, which of course is
>>exactly what learning is, and that it's all about perspective so that we
>>limit ourselves when we lay an artificial layer of structure over our
>>learning (as in, for example, public school life, as opposed to
independent
>>study of a subject that interests us)."

I did think they made the point that we have much more choice in life than
most of us partake in. Or maybe better said, the choices that many of us
make lead us down a deadened path, rather than a life-fulfilling path. And
that our every thought can shape our world.

Jacki








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Carla,

Hey, we are practically neighbors! I saw the movie
here in Tucson and really enjoyed it.

I have a science book to recommend - "The
Elegant Universe: Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions,
and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory" by Brian
Greene.

I was about halfway through the book when I went to
see the movie. I LOVE this book. It is really well
written, so that non-science folks (like me) can grasp
the concepts. It talks about General Relativity and
Quantum Mechanics & the problems encountered with
them. And then it talks about Superstring Theory,
which is a surprising & thrilling theory. If you'd
rather watch than read, Nova did a 3 hr special on it
& you can watch it online at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/
(click on "Watch the Program" on the right)

sincerely,
heather m


> Can't find the post where someone recommended this
> movie, but I went and
> saw it last night, and I was just blown away! I
> know very little about real
> science, having taken earth science, biology and
> botany, on high school and
> college levels. So chemistry, physics, etc are only
> things I know about
> from reading science fiction! :-)
>
> The discussion of quantum physics (or is it
> mechanics?) is way over my head.
> Do any of you have any recommendations about where I
> can find more info that
> is on my level or books that could lead me there, by
> the hand, as it were?

nnylnell

Just fyi, this movie is not very well regarded by the scientific
community (to say the least). Even some of the scientists interviewed
in it are horrified by it. There was just a review in Popular Science:
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,699379,00.html

Lynn

> > Can't find the post where someone recommended this
> > movie, but I went and
> > saw it last night, and I was just blown away! I
> > know very little about real
> > science, having taken earth science, biology and
> > botany, on high school and
> > college levels. So chemistry, physics, etc are only
> > things I know about
> > from reading science fiction! :-)
> >
> > The discussion of quantum physics (or is it
> > mechanics?) is way over my head.
> > Do any of you have any recommendations about where I
> > can find more info that
> > is on my level or books that could lead me there, by
> > the hand, as it were?

Shelly G

> > >
> > > The discussion of quantum physics (or is it
> > > mechanics?) is way over my head.
> > > Do any of you have any recommendations about
> where I
> > > can find more info that
> > > is on my level or books that could lead me
> there, by
> > > the hand, as it were?

Check out the book "Thinking Physics" by Lewis Carroll
Epstein. It's really a fun, thought-provoking book. It
presents physics problems in small bites, and asks you
to decide what you think will happen. Then it gives
several possible answers (one right; several wrong)
and explains why the one is right and the others
wrong.

I'm doing a poor job explaining, I'm afraid. But the
author really makes physics concepts accessible --
and fun, too. When we've sat down together with the
book, it's almost playing a game, with everyone trying
to guess and predict the answers.

Shelly


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nellebelle

>>>>>There was just a review in Popular Science:
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,699379,00.html

snip from the article>>Not until the credits roll, when the "experts" are finally introduced, do we learn that the two people who do most of the talking about neuroscience and physics are not actually scientists. One is a chiropractor. The other is a 35,000-year-old warrior named Ramtha, who is being "channeled" by a blonde woman from Washington>>>>

Hey, I met her once, about 13 years ago. I was shopping with my mom in Nordstrom in Tacoma. Ramtha's so-called channeler, J.Z. Knight, was shopping with her friend, Linda Evans. My mom had met Evans at work, so we chatted for a few minutes. I was pregnant with my 1st child at the time. Knight told me what the baby's sex would be, but I can't remember which she said. 50/50 chance of being right anyway, mystic being or not.

Mary Ellen

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Gold Standard

>>The other is a 35,000-year-old warrior named Ramtha, who is being
"channeled" by a blonde woman from Washington>>>>

>>Hey, I met her once, about 13 years ago. Mary Ellen

So that made her 34,987 years old when you met her? ;-P