Fw: Re: Sandra's followers WAS: Unschooling as a really great topic!
Deb Lewis
<<<<I think we were just waiting for you ;)
Jacki>>>>
<******No one sees the irony of this?
You have taken Jacki's comment out of context. She was not replying to
*Re: HEMs response to my complaint* as you suggest by your subject line.
(which I've changed)
She was responding to Sandra's post #20663 in which Sandra asks that her
list remain an unschooling list and not be turned into a "kids in public
school" list or a "which candidate to vote for list."
Jacki was using humor to lighten the situation a bit and most people were
able to tell by her use of the little winky. --- ;) ----
***Nor the fact that I have posted a challenging concept to the status
quo about "unschoolers" succumbing to school without anyone being
willing to comment until we "wait for Sandra" to weigh in on it? ***
It's not going to help anyone on this list if you take personally a lull
in posting . There might be many reasons you haven't received a
response to your post but taking Jacki's comment out of context and
supplying some sinister meaning of your own isn't one.
Perhaps your post didn't speak to the majority of the people here.
Perhaps people are still considering it and are formulating a response.
Perhaps people are busy and don't have time to read and reply to every
topic. Perhaps they're way ahead of you, have considered these things
and don't feel the need for further discussion.
Post something else if you think you can contribute more to the ideas
you've already expressed and maybe you'll spark someone's interest.
***Can we just discuss the IDEAS, without waiting to be told how and
what to think? That is the point! Model thinking, not following! But
step gently on that trap door....THINK WITH YOUR OWN MIND!***
We discuss ideas here all the time and the idea you have that anyone here
is waiting to be told how to think is wrong. If you think that badly of
your fellow list members you won't be able to contribute as positively to
the list as you otherwise might. I hope you reconsider.
I was an attachment parent before I ever heard the name Sandra Dodd. My
son chose to stay out of school before I ever heard of unschooling or
Sandra.
When I did read her articles I was pleased to find someone who had a
talent for sharing well thought out ideas and I felt relieved there was
someone out there, even if I didn't know her, who shared some of my
philosophies . I have learned a lot from Sandra but I've learned even
more from my son. If I *am* a follower, I follow him. <g>
As to your post regarding the reasons some kids might choose school, I
think I know what you're trying to say. Some kid might still think
school is the best way to learn because there is still some residual
school think in the mind and language of his parents leading him to that
conclusion. Parents do have a responsibility to turn off the school
background noise if they want their kids to be able to do it. Of
course, some kids choose school for other reasons. There is a point
along the unschooling path where people can see all things within the
context of unschooling and use the parts of those things as they like and
in ways that will benefit them. If you've never read Kelly Lovejoy's
"The Three Stages of Unschooling" you might enjoy it. I think it's at
Sandra's website.
But as far as an unschooled child choosing school, I have no experience
with that. Because Dylan has never been to school, he has never thought
school was the place for learning. Because he's never used a curriculum
he never thinks the best place to get information or knowledge is a text
book. In fact he doesn't say "I want to learn about (blank)" at all.
He's not seeking out learning opportunities, he's living and doing the
things he's interested in.
Deb L
Jacki>>>>
<******No one sees the irony of this?
You have taken Jacki's comment out of context. She was not replying to
*Re: HEMs response to my complaint* as you suggest by your subject line.
(which I've changed)
She was responding to Sandra's post #20663 in which Sandra asks that her
list remain an unschooling list and not be turned into a "kids in public
school" list or a "which candidate to vote for list."
Jacki was using humor to lighten the situation a bit and most people were
able to tell by her use of the little winky. --- ;) ----
***Nor the fact that I have posted a challenging concept to the status
quo about "unschoolers" succumbing to school without anyone being
willing to comment until we "wait for Sandra" to weigh in on it? ***
It's not going to help anyone on this list if you take personally a lull
in posting . There might be many reasons you haven't received a
response to your post but taking Jacki's comment out of context and
supplying some sinister meaning of your own isn't one.
Perhaps your post didn't speak to the majority of the people here.
Perhaps people are still considering it and are formulating a response.
Perhaps people are busy and don't have time to read and reply to every
topic. Perhaps they're way ahead of you, have considered these things
and don't feel the need for further discussion.
Post something else if you think you can contribute more to the ideas
you've already expressed and maybe you'll spark someone's interest.
***Can we just discuss the IDEAS, without waiting to be told how and
what to think? That is the point! Model thinking, not following! But
step gently on that trap door....THINK WITH YOUR OWN MIND!***
We discuss ideas here all the time and the idea you have that anyone here
is waiting to be told how to think is wrong. If you think that badly of
your fellow list members you won't be able to contribute as positively to
the list as you otherwise might. I hope you reconsider.
I was an attachment parent before I ever heard the name Sandra Dodd. My
son chose to stay out of school before I ever heard of unschooling or
Sandra.
When I did read her articles I was pleased to find someone who had a
talent for sharing well thought out ideas and I felt relieved there was
someone out there, even if I didn't know her, who shared some of my
philosophies . I have learned a lot from Sandra but I've learned even
more from my son. If I *am* a follower, I follow him. <g>
As to your post regarding the reasons some kids might choose school, I
think I know what you're trying to say. Some kid might still think
school is the best way to learn because there is still some residual
school think in the mind and language of his parents leading him to that
conclusion. Parents do have a responsibility to turn off the school
background noise if they want their kids to be able to do it. Of
course, some kids choose school for other reasons. There is a point
along the unschooling path where people can see all things within the
context of unschooling and use the parts of those things as they like and
in ways that will benefit them. If you've never read Kelly Lovejoy's
"The Three Stages of Unschooling" you might enjoy it. I think it's at
Sandra's website.
But as far as an unschooled child choosing school, I have no experience
with that. Because Dylan has never been to school, he has never thought
school was the place for learning. Because he's never used a curriculum
he never thinks the best place to get information or knowledge is a text
book. In fact he doesn't say "I want to learn about (blank)" at all.
He's not seeking out learning opportunities, he's living and doing the
things he's interested in.
Deb L
Elizabeth Hill
**Perhaps your post didn't speak to the majority of the people here.
Perhaps people are still considering it and are formulating a response. **
Put me in the second category.
As I was reading, I thought a bit about posting about how ISPs create a kind of ghettoized communtiy that is only for members. I wish that these people felt empowered to join me in creating more free flowing community that didn't impose requirements of registration and work samples.
But I felt my idea wasn't fully developed, and was likely to hurt some people's feelings.
Betsy
Perhaps people are still considering it and are formulating a response. **
Put me in the second category.
As I was reading, I thought a bit about posting about how ISPs create a kind of ghettoized communtiy that is only for members. I wish that these people felt empowered to join me in creating more free flowing community that didn't impose requirements of registration and work samples.
But I felt my idea wasn't fully developed, and was likely to hurt some people's feelings.
Betsy