children's rights, Victorian London and like that
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In a message dated 8/25/04 9:32:51 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< I think what we have, that was undreamed of in Victorian London, is the
internet, computers, distance-learning, and educational software. If people
wanted to learn things that they couldn't learn my trial and error or from
friends and mentors, we have computer-tutoring or self-paced computer learning stuff
as an alternative. (If it can be made available cheaply.) >>
We have better rights for children, too, though the U.S. lags in that area,
among nations.
Shyrley Williams said Britain is finally outlawing spanking. I don't know
the details or dates. I think the U.S. never will. And speaking of Victorian
London (or rather about a century and some before that), one thing that
improved the gene pool in London was that the worst were transported to Georgia,
where they became racist Southern Baptists and are perpetuating some of the
embarrassments of Dickensian life to this day.
American-Studies embarrassment. Why is the South so... so...
feudal/slummy/prejudiced/ignorant? It relates partly to where the people came from, and
why. (And before anyone has a stroke, my own ancestors are heavily English,
NOT high class, and primarily southern.)
Having stirred an ant bed, this is my last prep day before leaving for a
week. <g> I'm really pretty ready, but that won't keep me from panicking later, I
bet.
Sandra
<< I think what we have, that was undreamed of in Victorian London, is the
internet, computers, distance-learning, and educational software. If people
wanted to learn things that they couldn't learn my trial and error or from
friends and mentors, we have computer-tutoring or self-paced computer learning stuff
as an alternative. (If it can be made available cheaply.) >>
We have better rights for children, too, though the U.S. lags in that area,
among nations.
Shyrley Williams said Britain is finally outlawing spanking. I don't know
the details or dates. I think the U.S. never will. And speaking of Victorian
London (or rather about a century and some before that), one thing that
improved the gene pool in London was that the worst were transported to Georgia,
where they became racist Southern Baptists and are perpetuating some of the
embarrassments of Dickensian life to this day.
American-Studies embarrassment. Why is the South so... so...
feudal/slummy/prejudiced/ignorant? It relates partly to where the people came from, and
why. (And before anyone has a stroke, my own ancestors are heavily English,
NOT high class, and primarily southern.)
Having stirred an ant bed, this is my last prep day before leaving for a
week. <g> I'm really pretty ready, but that won't keep me from panicking later, I
bet.
Sandra
Sylvia Toyama
American-Studies embarrassment. Why is the South so... so...
feudal/slummy/prejudiced/ignorant? It relates partly to where the people came from, and why. (And before anyone has a stroke, my own ancestors are heavily English, NOT high class, and primarily southern.)
Sandra
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My Dad's family are from the South, of mostly English stock. Tho the majority of his generation and mine are college-educated, there's still a very high hick-factor, socially anyway. Even with a college degree, you can still tell they come from dust-bowl Oklahoma roots.
I've always attributed it to the fact that they're Baptists, the standard God-fearing, in the box, ignorant-of-other-kinds-of-people thing. Also, they really don't get much exposure to the world outside their own bubble of college, white-collar work, and Christian tradition. I know they just don't get me at all, but I only flit thru occasionally, so they don't have any real reason to get to know me.
Syl
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feudal/slummy/prejudiced/ignorant? It relates partly to where the people came from, and why. (And before anyone has a stroke, my own ancestors are heavily English, NOT high class, and primarily southern.)
Sandra
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My Dad's family are from the South, of mostly English stock. Tho the majority of his generation and mine are college-educated, there's still a very high hick-factor, socially anyway. Even with a college degree, you can still tell they come from dust-bowl Oklahoma roots.
I've always attributed it to the fact that they're Baptists, the standard God-fearing, in the box, ignorant-of-other-kinds-of-people thing. Also, they really don't get much exposure to the world outside their own bubble of college, white-collar work, and Christian tradition. I know they just don't get me at all, but I only flit thru occasionally, so they don't have any real reason to get to know me.
Syl
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<<<<< Why is the South so... so...
Texas, the most prejudice we ever experienced was in North Dakota and
Michigan.
Julie S.
> feudal/slummy/prejudiced/ignorant? >>>>>>Speaking as the mom of one black and three hispanic children who live in
Texas, the most prejudice we ever experienced was in North Dakota and
Michigan.
Julie S.
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From: <SandraDodd@...>
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Subject: [AlwaysLearning] children's rights, Victorian London and like that
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> In a message dated 8/25/04 9:32:51 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
>
> << I think what we have, that was undreamed of in Victorian London, is the
> internet, computers, distance-learning, and educational software. If
people
> wanted to learn things that they couldn't learn my trial and error or from
> friends and mentors, we have computer-tutoring or self-paced computer
learning stuff
> as an alternative. (If it can be made available cheaply.) >>
>
> We have better rights for children, too, though the U.S. lags in that
area,
> among nations.
>
> Shyrley Williams said Britain is finally outlawing spanking. I don't know
> the details or dates. I think the U.S. never will. And speaking of
Victorian
> London (or rather about a century and some before that), one thing that
> improved the gene pool in London was that the worst were transported to
Georgia,
> where they became racist Southern Baptists and are perpetuating some of
the
> embarrassments of Dickensian life to this day.
>
> American-Studies embarrassment. Why is the South so... so...
> feudal/slummy/prejudiced/ignorant? It relates partly to where the
people came from, and
> why. (And before anyone has a stroke, my own ancestors are heavily
English,
> NOT high class, and primarily southern.)
>
> Having stirred an ant bed, this is my last prep day before leaving for a
> week. <g> I'm really pretty ready, but that won't keep me from panicking
later, I
> bet.
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
jimpetersonl
Ditto. Speaking as the mother of three black sons and two asian
daughters, who live in both Carolinas and Louisiana, the most
prejudice we ever experienced was in New York and Massachusetts.
It makes you wonder why northerners project a historical picture on
the current south when contemporary reality is outside it.
~Sue
daughters, who live in both Carolinas and Louisiana, the most
prejudice we ever experienced was in New York and Massachusetts.
It makes you wonder why northerners project a historical picture on
the current south when contemporary reality is outside it.
~Sue
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In a message dated 8/25/04 2:18:53 PM, jimpetersonl@... writes:
<< It makes you wonder why northerners project a historical picture on
the current south when contemporary reality is outside it. >>
Is New Mexico "north"?
Have you paid attention to where the religious broadcasts originate, or where
the publishers of the revisionist homeschooling texts are, or which states
have "state homeschooling conventions" with 8,000 attendees and they're
basically right-wing Christian revivals?
Sandra
<< It makes you wonder why northerners project a historical picture on
the current south when contemporary reality is outside it. >>
Is New Mexico "north"?
Have you paid attention to where the religious broadcasts originate, or where
the publishers of the revisionist homeschooling texts are, or which states
have "state homeschooling conventions" with 8,000 attendees and they're
basically right-wing Christian revivals?
Sandra
Nancy Wooton
on 8/25/04 9:18 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
<g>
Nancy (native Orangutan.)
> In a message dated 8/25/04 2:18:53 PM, jimpetersonl@... writes:Yep. Orange County, California.
>
> << It makes you wonder why northerners project a historical picture on
>
> the current south when contemporary reality is outside it. >>
>
> Is New Mexico "north"?
>
> Have you paid attention to where the religious broadcasts originate, or where
> the publishers of the revisionist homeschooling texts are, or which states
> have "state homeschooling conventions" with 8,000 attendees and they're
> basically right-wing Christian revivals?
<g>
Nancy (native Orangutan.)
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In a message dated 8/25/04 11:29:53 PM, ikonstitcher@... writes:
<< Yep. Orange County, California. >>
Well, and some magazine and radio stuff from Colorado Springs.
But aren't the Focus on the Family people originally southerners? (I thought
so but maybe it's my wildly unfounded prejudice. [don't correct me people,
I'm being sarcastic and the prejudice isn't baseless])
I think it's just easier to go with the flow when your neighbors are going
with the flow.
Sandra
<< Yep. Orange County, California. >>
Well, and some magazine and radio stuff from Colorado Springs.
But aren't the Focus on the Family people originally southerners? (I thought
so but maybe it's my wildly unfounded prejudice. [don't correct me people,
I'm being sarcastic and the prejudice isn't baseless])
I think it's just easier to go with the flow when your neighbors are going
with the flow.
Sandra
Dana Matt
> > Have you paid attention to where the religiousI don't know how far south Montana is ;) but I just
> broadcasts originate, or where
> > the publishers of the revisionist homeschooling
> texts are, or which states
> > have "state homeschooling conventions" with 8,000
> attendees and they're
> > basically right-wing Christian revivals?
>
got the "stats" from the state convention here...Along
with people attending and vendors, they listed a
column for "souls saved"....How 'bout THEM apples!
Dana
in Montana
(WHO DIDN'T GO, OBVIOUSLY!!!)
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If i were you, i'd avoid Idaho too!
---linda
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jimpetersonl
James Dobson of the Focus on the Family fame moved from Southern Cal.
to Colorado . . .
~Sue
to Colorado . . .
~Sue
> << Yep. Orange County, California. >>(I thought
>
> Well, and some magazine and radio stuff from Colorado Springs.
>
> But aren't the Focus on the Family people originally southerners?
> so but maybe it's my wildly unfounded prejudice. [don't correct mepeople,
> I'm being sarcastic and the prejudice isn't baseless])going
>
> I think it's just easier to go with the flow when your neighbors are
> with the flow.
>
> Sandra
jimpetersonl
> If i were you, i'd avoid Idaho too!But--in Idaho's favor--it has one of the best homeschooling laws in
> ---linda
the country:
Provide a "comparable education" between 7 and 16.
~Sue
nellebelle
>>>>said Britain is finally outlawing spanking. I don't knowthe details or dates. I think the U.S. never will.>>>>>
The Sep/Oct HEM has a letter to the editor in response to Ann Larson Fisher's column about "The Rod".
The letter writer suggested that the HEM issue contradicted itself by publishing Fisher's article along with the Kaseman's article against regulation of families.
I think he may have meant "magazine" rather than "article". From the letter, "But I'm concerned that your article is starting to take a leftward drift. There are many liberals out there who would like to have a law passed against spanking kids. This is being done in England right now. Why they can't see that as schools eliminated corporal punishment, the incidents of violence and bulling went up, is beyond me."
He (the letter is signed Steve Charles, New River, AZ) does not cite his source for the connection between eliminating corporal punishment and increasing "bulling".
The letter is followed by a reply from Fisher.
Mary Ellen
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