Re: hello...
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Received on the side:
<< Hi, just wondering if the hatchet can be buried. Did you check out my
e-mail
from today, (the one I wrote before seeing your latest reply to me). Have I
been "removed" from the list? I've been receiving a lot of e-mails from
people
who have felt equally reamed by your words, so I know it's not just me. Is
this
a tough love thing? I hope it is not a power trip thing. I would like some
advice
(constructive) about what I wrote today, regarding unschooling vs schooling,
but I noticed that my e-mail is not on the list of messages. As one human to
another, I really can't see how my replies from last night could be seen as
negative, but your e-mails are to be seen as only constructive/helpful. It
takes
a big person to admit when she is wrong and to apologize when she has hurt
someone's feelings. That said, where is my post from today, the one I wrote
about my son's experience in art"class"? Do I get official notice of being
removed from this list? Thanks for your time, [name] >>
I went to the site and approved seven pending messages without reading them.
Pam Hartley is the one who approves message for Always Learning, and I
usually don't even see that end of that list, though it is my list. Pam does that
to keep spam off the list, and she's a volunteer, so the fact that she hadn't
gotten there today was nothing to do with power trips or tough love or
judgment or negativity. Pam's busy, and that's all.
-=-Hi, just wondering if the hatchet can be buried.....I've been receiving a
lot of e-mails from people
who have felt equally reamed by your words, so I know it's not just me. -=-
Do you not see how antagonistic this is? In the same paragraph in which you
accuse me of having a hatchet that might need to be buried, you accuse me of
reaming people (lots of people). I have nothing personal against you, I didn't
even recognize the e-mail address or know which list you were talking about.
I'm involved with several lists. I just want it to be about unschooling,
and I want people who come for help not to be hateful to those who are already
on the list being helpful.
Here is the list description from the yahoo site:
<<Discussion for homeschooling fans of John Holt, whose books Learning All
the Time, Never Too Late, and Teach your Own have made unschooling a sweet and
viable option for thousands of families.
<<This is a moderated group, with trapdoors for the uncooperative. (Not
moderated in the advance-approval way, but in the be-nice-to-play way.) It's an
idea group and is intended to lean more toward pure unschooling than neutral,
general homeschooling discussion--there are hundreds of general homeschooling
discussions for newcomers. It's to focus more toward how people learn no matter
where in the world they are, rather than on what's legal in any particular
country or jurisdiction. >>
To the author of the words quoted above, if you can't be nicer, I'll open
that trapdoor and you won't be on the list anymore, and you won't get a notice.
To the alleged lots of people who wrote to her, grow up.
If you can do so much better, go to yahoogroups and form your own group and
give the excellent advice you know people want.
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's unreasonable for me to expect that
people who would come to a list like this could be adult and mature and discuss
issues like rational people.
Sandra
<< Hi, just wondering if the hatchet can be buried. Did you check out my
from today, (the one I wrote before seeing your latest reply to me). Have I
been "removed" from the list? I've been receiving a lot of e-mails from
people
who have felt equally reamed by your words, so I know it's not just me. Is
this
a tough love thing? I hope it is not a power trip thing. I would like some
advice
(constructive) about what I wrote today, regarding unschooling vs schooling,
but I noticed that my e-mail is not on the list of messages. As one human to
another, I really can't see how my replies from last night could be seen as
negative, but your e-mails are to be seen as only constructive/helpful. It
takes
a big person to admit when she is wrong and to apologize when she has hurt
someone's feelings. That said, where is my post from today, the one I wrote
about my son's experience in art"class"? Do I get official notice of being
removed from this list? Thanks for your time, [name] >>
I went to the site and approved seven pending messages without reading them.
Pam Hartley is the one who approves message for Always Learning, and I
usually don't even see that end of that list, though it is my list. Pam does that
to keep spam off the list, and she's a volunteer, so the fact that she hadn't
gotten there today was nothing to do with power trips or tough love or
judgment or negativity. Pam's busy, and that's all.
-=-Hi, just wondering if the hatchet can be buried.....I've been receiving a
lot of e-mails from people
who have felt equally reamed by your words, so I know it's not just me. -=-
Do you not see how antagonistic this is? In the same paragraph in which you
accuse me of having a hatchet that might need to be buried, you accuse me of
reaming people (lots of people). I have nothing personal against you, I didn't
even recognize the e-mail address or know which list you were talking about.
I'm involved with several lists. I just want it to be about unschooling,
and I want people who come for help not to be hateful to those who are already
on the list being helpful.
Here is the list description from the yahoo site:
<<Discussion for homeschooling fans of John Holt, whose books Learning All
the Time, Never Too Late, and Teach your Own have made unschooling a sweet and
viable option for thousands of families.
<<This is a moderated group, with trapdoors for the uncooperative. (Not
moderated in the advance-approval way, but in the be-nice-to-play way.) It's an
idea group and is intended to lean more toward pure unschooling than neutral,
general homeschooling discussion--there are hundreds of general homeschooling
discussions for newcomers. It's to focus more toward how people learn no matter
where in the world they are, rather than on what's legal in any particular
country or jurisdiction. >>
To the author of the words quoted above, if you can't be nicer, I'll open
that trapdoor and you won't be on the list anymore, and you won't get a notice.
To the alleged lots of people who wrote to her, grow up.
If you can do so much better, go to yahoogroups and form your own group and
give the excellent advice you know people want.
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's unreasonable for me to expect that
people who would come to a list like this could be adult and mature and discuss
issues like rational people.
Sandra
Nadine
Well, Sandra, mature and adult, I can be. I was referring to our
hatchet, not yours. I can admit to antagonistic feelings here, can you?
There is a time and a place for being harsh and unsympathetic. I don't
think my letter (the first one ) was the time nor place for such
harshness. My husband read all of the e-mails and feels I should send a
formal complaint to the Yahoo Groups folks for your unusually rude
replies to my simple request. I wrote to your personal e-mail to keep
this bizarrely angry exchange just between us. When does the
"be-nice-to play" rule include you/your replies to people? I am acting
mature, being sensitive to harshness is not an immature state of being.
Not being able to see how one moves about in the world is not a virtue,
especially when one tends to steamroll people for no particular reason.
Attacking someone who is quite obviously already down is just plain
mean, and in this case starting to look pathological. Trap door me all
you want, you need to look at yourself and ask if you are truly doing
good work on this earth and in this life. If you really can't see how
mean-spirited you are being (at least in my particular case), then
there is nothing anyone can do or say to open your eyes to this
problem. If growing up means being mean for no particular reason, and
then getting self-righteous and fully denying being mean in the first
place, I hope to never grow up. Nadine
hatchet, not yours. I can admit to antagonistic feelings here, can you?
There is a time and a place for being harsh and unsympathetic. I don't
think my letter (the first one ) was the time nor place for such
harshness. My husband read all of the e-mails and feels I should send a
formal complaint to the Yahoo Groups folks for your unusually rude
replies to my simple request. I wrote to your personal e-mail to keep
this bizarrely angry exchange just between us. When does the
"be-nice-to play" rule include you/your replies to people? I am acting
mature, being sensitive to harshness is not an immature state of being.
Not being able to see how one moves about in the world is not a virtue,
especially when one tends to steamroll people for no particular reason.
Attacking someone who is quite obviously already down is just plain
mean, and in this case starting to look pathological. Trap door me all
you want, you need to look at yourself and ask if you are truly doing
good work on this earth and in this life. If you really can't see how
mean-spirited you are being (at least in my particular case), then
there is nothing anyone can do or say to open your eyes to this
problem. If growing up means being mean for no particular reason, and
then getting self-righteous and fully denying being mean in the first
place, I hope to never grow up. Nadine
On Apr 23, 2004, at 1:48 PM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
> Received on the side:
>
> << Hi, just wondering if the hatchet can be buried. Did you check out
> my
>
> from today, (the one I wrote before seeing your latest reply to me).
> Have I
>
> been "removed" from the list? I've been receiving a lot of e-mails
> from
> people
>
> who have felt equally reamed by your words, so I know it's not just
> me.� Is
> this
>
> a tough love thing? I hope it is not a power trip thing. I would like
> some
> advice
>
> (constructive) about what I wrote today, regarding unschooling vs
> schooling,
>
> but I noticed that my e-mail is not on the list of messages.� As one
> human to
>
> another, I really can't see how my replies from last night could be
> seen as
>
> negative, but your e-mails are to be seen as only
> constructive/helpful. It
> takes
>
> a big person to admit when she is wrong and to apologize when she has
> hurt
>
> someone's feelings. That said, where is my post from today, the one I
> wrote
>
> about my son's experience in art"class"? Do I get official notice of
> being
>
> removed from this list? Thanks for your time, [name] >>
>
> I went to the site and approved seven pending messages without
> reading them.�
> Pam Hartley is the one who approves message for Always Learning, and I
> usually don't even see that end of that list, though it is my list.��
> Pam does that
> to keep spam off the list, and she's a volunteer, so the fact that
> she hadn't
> gotten there today was nothing to do with power trips or tough love or
> judgment or negativity.� Pam's busy, and that's all.
>
> -=-Hi, just wondering if the hatchet can be buried.....I've been
> receiving a
> lot of e-mails from people
>
> who have felt equally reamed by your words, so I know it's not just
> me. -=-
>
>
> Do you not see how antagonistic this is?� In the same paragraph in
> which you
> accuse me of having a hatchet that might need to be buried, you
> accuse me of
> reaming people (lots of people).� I have nothing personal against
> you, I didn't
> even recognize the e-mail address or know which list you were talking
> about.�
> I'm involved with several lists.���� I just want it to be about
> unschooling,
> and I want people who come for help not to be hateful to those who
> are already
> on the list being helpful.
>
> Here is the list description from the yahoo site:
>
> <<Discussion for homeschooling fans of John Holt, whose books
> Learning All
> the Time, Never Too Late, and Teach your Own have made unschooling a
> sweet and
> viable option for thousands of families.
>
> <<This is a moderated group, with trapdoors for the uncooperative.
> (Not
> moderated in the advance-approval way, but in the be-nice-to-play
> way.) It's an
> idea group and is intended to lean more toward pure unschooling than
> neutral,
> general homeschooling discussion--there are hundreds of general
> homeschooling
> discussions for newcomers. It's to focus more toward how people learn
> no matter
> where in the world they are, rather than on what's legal in any
> particular
> country or jurisdiction. >>
>
>
> To the author of the words quoted above, if you can't be nicer, I'll
> open
> that trapdoor and you won't be on the list anymore, and you won't get
> a notice.
>
> To the alleged lots of people who wrote to her, grow up.�
> If you can do so much better, go to yahoogroups and form your own
> group and
> give the excellent� advice you know people want.
>
> I could be wrong, but I don't think it's unreasonable for me to
> expect that
> people who would come to a list like this could be adult and mature
> and discuss
> issues like rational people.
>
> Sandra
>
>
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Leslie
>Trap door me alldoing
> you want, you need to look at yourself and ask if you are truly
> good work on this earth and in this life.Nadine, you have no idea how much good Sandra has done for so many
people..........myself included. Perhaps you could look elsewhere
for the help you need. It's absolutely ridiculous to threaten
Sandra with turning her in to Yahoo. Ridiculous.
Leslie - I know Sandra needs NO help in dealing with this but I
just had to say that bit.