school bells
joylyn
Last night we were at Girl Scouts. We meet at a school. There has
never been any bells or anything because the school is closed, but last
night they had a 'science" night, so there were hundreds of people there
going from classroom to classroom doing experiments. At some point,
they rang the bell. Ashi is our only schooled child there, and she just
hung out and didn't freak. Taylor and William, who have been to school,
were asking if that was the bell (the bell at their school was
different, plus, they mostly school at home). The four unschooled kids
were freaking out. Lexie thought it was a fire alarm, and wanted us to
all leave. She finally convinced me to get up and look outside to see
if others were evacuating. They rang the bell twice, once as a warning
and once 10 or so minutes later. I was very interested in the various
children's reaction to the bell.
Joylyn
never been any bells or anything because the school is closed, but last
night they had a 'science" night, so there were hundreds of people there
going from classroom to classroom doing experiments. At some point,
they rang the bell. Ashi is our only schooled child there, and she just
hung out and didn't freak. Taylor and William, who have been to school,
were asking if that was the bell (the bell at their school was
different, plus, they mostly school at home). The four unschooled kids
were freaking out. Lexie thought it was a fire alarm, and wanted us to
all leave. She finally convinced me to get up and look outside to see
if others were evacuating. They rang the bell twice, once as a warning
and once 10 or so minutes later. I was very interested in the various
children's reaction to the bell.
Joylyn
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In a message dated 3/19/2004 9:43:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
joylyn@... writes:
They rang the bell twice, once as a warning
and once 10 or so minutes later. I was very interested in the various
children's reaction to the bell. <<<<<
Those bells may prove to be very important in the REAL WORLD.
Like the real world of prison.
~Kelly
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joylyn@... writes:
They rang the bell twice, once as a warning
and once 10 or so minutes later. I was very interested in the various
children's reaction to the bell. <<<<<
Those bells may prove to be very important in the REAL WORLD.
Like the real world of prison.
~Kelly
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Sylvia Toyama
Where we live, there's an elementary school at one end of the block (maybe 1/2 mile) and a middle school just around the corner. Near enough that we can hear the mid-school loudspeaker from our front yard, and routinely we hear kids on the playground mid-day at the elem school. My kids are fascinated by both sounds. Andy has noticed that we don't hear the recess-kids more than once or twice a day, and finds it sad that's all the time they get to play. Dan is always asking me 'what they say?' when we hear the PA. Of course, we can't make out actual words, tho the occasional word or phrase will come in clearly -- must be about wind patterns or something.
We walk by the mid school every time we go to the park -- usually daily in warm weather -- and the only time we ever see kids outside is when they change classes or are running/playing soccer during PE on the field between the school and park. On occasion, we've heard the bell as we walk by. Andy also thought it was a fire alarm at first.
Sylvia
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We walk by the mid school every time we go to the park -- usually daily in warm weather -- and the only time we ever see kids outside is when they change classes or are running/playing soccer during PE on the field between the school and park. On occasion, we've heard the bell as we walk by. Andy also thought it was a fire alarm at first.
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Sylvia Toyama
Earlier this week, in the local paper's health column, the topic was 'When is a Child Too Sick to Go to School?' It was a long-winded statement from the local 'pediatrician expert' about the many values of the importance of school and so on.
Interestingly, when he wrote about good reason to miss school, he opened with highly contagious diseases. His comment was, 'schools, like army camps and prisons are breeding grounds for highly contagious illnesses.' I thought 'how funny, were those really the only comparisons he can make?' and realized actually they are. Well, he could compare school to hospitals, but that wouldn't make his case very well. Even school advocates can see the similarities, I guess, but they just see it as inevitable and essential to a child's development. School can certainly feel like both army camp and prison for lots of kids.
Then, it came to me -- the biggest difference between the above comparisons is that they're by choice. Army service is voluntary. In a way so is prison -- at least you got there by your own poor choices. But school is the forced attendance by children whose only 'crime' is being children. And so many parents don't know they have any other choice.
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Interestingly, when he wrote about good reason to miss school, he opened with highly contagious diseases. His comment was, 'schools, like army camps and prisons are breeding grounds for highly contagious illnesses.' I thought 'how funny, were those really the only comparisons he can make?' and realized actually they are. Well, he could compare school to hospitals, but that wouldn't make his case very well. Even school advocates can see the similarities, I guess, but they just see it as inevitable and essential to a child's development. School can certainly feel like both army camp and prison for lots of kids.
Then, it came to me -- the biggest difference between the above comparisons is that they're by choice. Army service is voluntary. In a way so is prison -- at least you got there by your own poor choices. But school is the forced attendance by children whose only 'crime' is being children. And so many parents don't know they have any other choice.
Sylvia
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In a message dated 3/19/04 10:00:26 AM, syltoyama@... writes:
<< Then, it came to me -- the biggest difference between the above
comparisons is that they're by choice. Army service is voluntary. In a way so is
prison -- at least you got there by your own poor choices. But school is the
forced attendance by children whose only 'crime' is being children. And so many
parents don't know they have any other choice. >>
Oh good one!!
And the same way people will say school will prepare you for a job, for
college, for whatever... Well it's preparing people for prison, too. Only a few
will become doctors, but everyone has to take biology and chemistry (in some
schools). Only a few will become prisoners but everyone has to practice lining
up and eating in 20 minutes in shifts and exercising wanly in the exerise
yard and then going back into their cells.
School built up to a crescendo in the 1960's--it wasn't sucking so much. The
early 20th century problems were being solved, child labor laws were in
place, there were lots of new schools with new facilities, the president was saying
"More recess! More sports equipment! Everyone exercise!" and there was lots
of educational research saying "make it more fun! Make it more
individualized!" But from the 70's on, things just seemed to go to hell. The new research
couldn't be implemented well when kids were there under coercion. The
special services people needed for individualization cost TONS, and by the time they
split people out to individualize, that itself caused problems they couldn't
solve, and now we're in the morrass of mess we're in now. An organism too big
for its skin or something. Can't support its own weight.
But it seems, as with other organisms there was a maturation and a flowering,
and that flowering is past.
Sandra
Sandra
<< Then, it came to me -- the biggest difference between the above
comparisons is that they're by choice. Army service is voluntary. In a way so is
prison -- at least you got there by your own poor choices. But school is the
forced attendance by children whose only 'crime' is being children. And so many
parents don't know they have any other choice. >>
Oh good one!!
And the same way people will say school will prepare you for a job, for
college, for whatever... Well it's preparing people for prison, too. Only a few
will become doctors, but everyone has to take biology and chemistry (in some
schools). Only a few will become prisoners but everyone has to practice lining
up and eating in 20 minutes in shifts and exercising wanly in the exerise
yard and then going back into their cells.
School built up to a crescendo in the 1960's--it wasn't sucking so much. The
early 20th century problems were being solved, child labor laws were in
place, there were lots of new schools with new facilities, the president was saying
"More recess! More sports equipment! Everyone exercise!" and there was lots
of educational research saying "make it more fun! Make it more
individualized!" But from the 70's on, things just seemed to go to hell. The new research
couldn't be implemented well when kids were there under coercion. The
special services people needed for individualization cost TONS, and by the time they
split people out to individualize, that itself caused problems they couldn't
solve, and now we're in the morrass of mess we're in now. An organism too big
for its skin or something. Can't support its own weight.
But it seems, as with other organisms there was a maturation and a flowering,
and that flowering is past.
Sandra
Sandra
Jay
--- In [email protected], Sylvia Toyama <syltoyama@y...>
wrote:
enough that we can hear the mid-school loudspeaker from our front
yard, and routinely we hear kids on the playground mid-day at the
elem school. My kids are fascinated by both sounds. Andy has
noticed that we don't hear the recess-kids more than once or twice a
day, and finds it sad that's all the time they get to play.
Hi we are an englsih family Jay mum 51 Martin 34 Axel 7 & Criag 5
living in a small French village. Across the road from us is the
village school. We are the only family they have know here to
unschool never before has anyone not sent their children to school.
We are about to face our 1st test of Axel our 7 year old, over here
it is up to the individual inspector what they do and they are the
ones who make the dicision as to whether you are doing it right or
not. So we have no guide lines. It has made us sit down the 4 of us
and review our situation. We cannot stay here it is too stressful as
some of the friends the boys had when we 1st moved here have been
kept away when the families realised that they would not be going to
school.
At the moment we are deciding were our next move should be and
whether we can keep our 2 houses here and use them for the
unschooling movement
wrote:
> Where we live, there's an elementary school at one end of the block(maybe 1/2 mile) and a middle school just around the corner. Near
enough that we can hear the mid-school loudspeaker from our front
yard, and routinely we hear kids on the playground mid-day at the
elem school. My kids are fascinated by both sounds. Andy has
noticed that we don't hear the recess-kids more than once or twice a
day, and finds it sad that's all the time they get to play.
Hi we are an englsih family Jay mum 51 Martin 34 Axel 7 & Criag 5
living in a small French village. Across the road from us is the
village school. We are the only family they have know here to
unschool never before has anyone not sent their children to school.
We are about to face our 1st test of Axel our 7 year old, over here
it is up to the individual inspector what they do and they are the
ones who make the dicision as to whether you are doing it right or
not. So we have no guide lines. It has made us sit down the 4 of us
and review our situation. We cannot stay here it is too stressful as
some of the friends the boys had when we 1st moved here have been
kept away when the families realised that they would not be going to
school.
At the moment we are deciding were our next move should be and
whether we can keep our 2 houses here and use them for the
unschooling movement
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In a message dated 3/20/04 10:06:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
woodjmac3@... writes:
situation, I can see how it would be stressful.
Pam G
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woodjmac3@... writes:
> We are about to face our 1st test of Axel our 7 year old, over hereThat must be scary? I can't imagine, one person in total control. Tough
> it is up to the individual inspector what they do and they are the
> ones who make the dicision as to whether you are doing it right or
> not. So we have no guide lines.
situation, I can see how it would be stressful.
Pam G
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Jay
--- In [email protected], Sylvia Toyama <syltoyama@y...>
wrote:
like army camps and prisons are breeding grounds for highly
contagious illnesses.
I find it scary that these people can come out in the open and say
these things without really realising what they have said. Is it a
subconsious thing in them that they know what is wrong.
In a way so is prison -- at least you got there by your own poor
choices. But school is the forced attendance by children whose
only 'crime' is being children. And so many parents don't know they
have any other choice.
When will people realise that children are more capable of knowing
what is right for them because they come without all the baggage we
grown -ups have because of our past.
Jay Wood
Mother of Axel 7 & Craig 4 Partner to Martin
when your scared of what your doing atleast you know you are still
alive
wrote:
> Earlier this week, in the local paper's health column, the topicwas 'When is a Child Too Sick to Go to School?' >
> Interestingly, when he wrote about good reason to miss school, heopened with highly contagious diseases. His comment was, 'schools,
like army camps and prisons are breeding grounds for highly
contagious illnesses.
I find it scary that these people can come out in the open and say
these things without really realising what they have said. Is it a
subconsious thing in them that they know what is wrong.
> Then, it came to me -- the biggest difference between the abovecomparisons is that they're by choice. Army service is voluntary.
In a way so is prison -- at least you got there by your own poor
choices. But school is the forced attendance by children whose
only 'crime' is being children. And so many parents don't know they
have any other choice.
When will people realise that children are more capable of knowing
what is right for them because they come without all the baggage we
grown -ups have because of our past.
Jay Wood
Mother of Axel 7 & Craig 4 Partner to Martin
when your scared of what your doing atleast you know you are still
alive
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> Sylvia
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Sharon Rudd
Dear Jay
How can the French do this, if you are not citizens?
Sharon of the Swamp
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Subject: Re: school bells
over here
it is up to the individual inspector what they do and they are the
ones who make the dicision as to whether you are doing it right or
not. So we have no guide lines. It has made us sit down the 4 of us
and review our situation. We cannot stay here it is too stressful as
some of the friends the boys had when we 1st moved here have been
kept away when the families realised that they would not be going to
school.
At the moment we are deciding were our next move should be and
whether we can keep our 2 houses here and use them for the
unschooling movement
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How can the French do this, if you are not citizens?
Sharon of the Swamp
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Subject: Re: school bells
over here
it is up to the individual inspector what they do and they are the
ones who make the dicision as to whether you are doing it right or
not. So we have no guide lines. It has made us sit down the 4 of us
and review our situation. We cannot stay here it is too stressful as
some of the friends the boys had when we 1st moved here have been
kept away when the families realised that they would not be going to
school.
At the moment we are deciding were our next move should be and
whether we can keep our 2 houses here and use them for the
unschooling movement
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Jay
--- In [email protected], Sharon Rudd
<bearspawprint@y...> wrote:
firm we recieve what in england is called child benifit and he has a
social security number. We live here it is our principle abode. We
move here to get away from the uptight attitude of people in England.
Jay
<bearspawprint@y...> wrote:
> Subject: Re: school bellsI don't know, we are part of the system. Martin works for a french
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> How can the French do this, if you are not citizens?
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> Sharon of the Swamp (Why the swamp)
firm we recieve what in england is called child benifit and he has a
social security number. We live here it is our principle abode. We
move here to get away from the uptight attitude of people in England.
Jay
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> > over here
> it is up to the individual inspector what they do and they are the
> ones who make the dicision as to whether you are doing it right or
> not. So we have no guide lines. It has made us sit down the 4 of us
> and review our situation. We cannot stay here it is too stressful
> some of the friends the boys had when we 1st moved here have beento
> kept away when the families realised that they would not be going
> school.
>
> At the moment we are deciding were our next move should be and
> whether we can keep our 2 houses here and use them for the
> unschooling movement
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J. Stauffer
Hi Sharon,
Its nice to "see" you again.
Julie S.----who stopped by your place a few years ago with Adriane and Zach
Its nice to "see" you again.
Julie S.----who stopped by your place a few years ago with Adriane and Zach
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From: "Sharon Rudd" <bearspawprint@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:45 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] school bells
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> Sharon of the Swamp
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> over here
> it is up to the individual inspector what they do and they are the
> ones who make the dicision as to whether you are doing it right or
> not. So we have no guide lines. It has made us sit down the 4 of us
> and review our situation. We cannot stay here it is too stressful as
> some of the friends the boys had when we 1st moved here have been
> kept away when the families realised that they would not be going to
> school.
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> At the moment we are deciding were our next move should be and
> whether we can keep our 2 houses here and use them for the
> unschooling movement
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