Off Topic: sprains/breaks/ankles
Pam Hartley
Hi all,
My stoic child, Mikey, took a tumble off her scooter this evening and
can't/won't put weight on her right foot. The pain seems to be one general
small area to the inside of her ankle. There is no noticeable swelling or
any exterior sign of damage.
I am loathe to visit doctors unless necessary, perfectly willing to go if it
is necessary. Our current plan is to see how she is tomorrow morning and
decide.
Any experiences with general ankle injuries, how long to "wait and see",
etc., appreciated.
Pam
My stoic child, Mikey, took a tumble off her scooter this evening and
can't/won't put weight on her right foot. The pain seems to be one general
small area to the inside of her ankle. There is no noticeable swelling or
any exterior sign of damage.
I am loathe to visit doctors unless necessary, perfectly willing to go if it
is necessary. Our current plan is to see how she is tomorrow morning and
decide.
Any experiences with general ankle injuries, how long to "wait and see",
etc., appreciated.
Pam
joylyn
I usually wait 24 hours, over night.
The reason being, if the pain was great when the injury first happened,
then it only makes sense that the body would remember that pain and not
want to put weight on it. After a while (usually overnight) the body
forgets that pain. If the child is still not weight bearing the next
morning, regardless of swelling or not, I would take them in. If Mikey
is putting some weight on the foot, I might wait for another 24 hours.
That said, I went for two weeks iwth a broken arm becuase it wasn't
swollen and the pain was only sometimes. After a few weeks, I put my
hand into a pair of tight jeans and pulled it out and broke it more. It
was still a minor break but it probably didn't do my arm a whole lot of
good to go for two weeks with the bone not set correctly. I was also in
some pain those weeks, not all the time but there were bad moments, I
remember. I was just told I bruised my arm and that it would get
better. It did, after the break was set and the doc said I was in
enough pain to be offered some pain killers for a few days.
So I try to find the middle ground between "wait and see" and go to the
doctor immediately. Non-weight bearing (or non using) means to me a
trip to the doctor pretty quickly, depending upon the kid. My nephew
was hit with a baseball pretty seriously last week, and if he had been
my kid I would have taken him right away, just based on the way he
wasn't using the arm and wasn't moving it, etc. after the injury. They
took him late that night and while it wasn't broken, it was bruised
severely. One of the girls on my soccer team had her finger jammed when
she blocked a ball. It swelled up pretty quickly, and we put it on
ice. I suggested strongly that they wrap the finger to the other two
fingers right away and if the swelling didn't go down within 24 hours,
to take her to the doc. They didn't. Two days later the finger was
still very swollen, and I was much stronger in my words. They took her
to the doctor and the finger was splinted for two weeks, no goalieing. I
wanted to say "I told you so" and I wonder what would have happened if
they would have splinted immediately...
I'm rambling now, need to go off to bed. I think wait and see is ok
for a short time period (about 24 hours) but if he can't put weight on
it in the am, I'd take him to the doc.
Joylyn
Pam Hartley wrote:
The reason being, if the pain was great when the injury first happened,
then it only makes sense that the body would remember that pain and not
want to put weight on it. After a while (usually overnight) the body
forgets that pain. If the child is still not weight bearing the next
morning, regardless of swelling or not, I would take them in. If Mikey
is putting some weight on the foot, I might wait for another 24 hours.
That said, I went for two weeks iwth a broken arm becuase it wasn't
swollen and the pain was only sometimes. After a few weeks, I put my
hand into a pair of tight jeans and pulled it out and broke it more. It
was still a minor break but it probably didn't do my arm a whole lot of
good to go for two weeks with the bone not set correctly. I was also in
some pain those weeks, not all the time but there were bad moments, I
remember. I was just told I bruised my arm and that it would get
better. It did, after the break was set and the doc said I was in
enough pain to be offered some pain killers for a few days.
So I try to find the middle ground between "wait and see" and go to the
doctor immediately. Non-weight bearing (or non using) means to me a
trip to the doctor pretty quickly, depending upon the kid. My nephew
was hit with a baseball pretty seriously last week, and if he had been
my kid I would have taken him right away, just based on the way he
wasn't using the arm and wasn't moving it, etc. after the injury. They
took him late that night and while it wasn't broken, it was bruised
severely. One of the girls on my soccer team had her finger jammed when
she blocked a ball. It swelled up pretty quickly, and we put it on
ice. I suggested strongly that they wrap the finger to the other two
fingers right away and if the swelling didn't go down within 24 hours,
to take her to the doc. They didn't. Two days later the finger was
still very swollen, and I was much stronger in my words. They took her
to the doctor and the finger was splinted for two weeks, no goalieing. I
wanted to say "I told you so" and I wonder what would have happened if
they would have splinted immediately...
I'm rambling now, need to go off to bed. I think wait and see is ok
for a short time period (about 24 hours) but if he can't put weight on
it in the am, I'd take him to the doc.
Joylyn
Pam Hartley wrote:
> Hi all,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> My stoic child, Mikey, took a tumble off her scooter this evening and
> can't/won't put weight on her right foot. The pain seems to be one general
> small area to the inside of her ankle. There is no noticeable swelling or
> any exterior sign of damage.
>
> I am loathe to visit doctors unless necessary, perfectly willing to go
> if it
> is necessary. Our current plan is to see how she is tomorrow morning and
> decide.
>
> Any experiences with general ankle injuries, how long to "wait and see",
> etc., appreciated.
>
> Pam
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--- In [email protected], "Pam Hartley"
<pamhartley@m...> wrote:
<>My stoic child, Mikey, took a tumble off her scooter this evening
and can't/won't put weight on her right foot. The pain seems to be
one general small area to the inside of her ankle. There is no
noticeable swelling or any exterior sign of damage.
I am loathe to visit doctors unless necessary, perfectly willing to
go if it is necessary. Our current plan is to see how she is tomorrow
morning and decide.
Any experiences with general ankle injuries, how long to "wait and
see", etc., appreciated.<>
Pam:
Lots of experience with ankle and other injuries here. I am a
homeopath and my daughter is a 16-year-old competitive figure
skater. She falls dozens of times every day, at high speed, and
hard. A month or so ago she dislocated her shoulder. Last week she
had a huge swollen bruise on her thigh. It is always something in
high level figure skating.
I always carry homeopathic Arnica Montana 30C with me to the ice
arena, and a bottle of Arnica spray, as well as Arnica gel for
topical application. We apply the spray if the injury is too sore to
touch, and the gel if we can touch it, and she takes the Arnica 30C
internally, as often as one pellet every 15 minutes when the pain is
severe. And we ice the injury with a bag of crushed ice. As the
pain lessens we take the Arnica 30C pellets less and less frequently
until she doesn't need them, or needs them only a couple of times a
day as the healing progresses.
For sprains and strains we additionally use Ruta Graveolens 30C. And
for injuries to areas rich in nerves, like finger, toes, elbows or
tailbones, we use Hypericum 30C and Hypericum spray.
If there is swelling or bad pain that continues despite the remedies
and the icing then I might get an appointment with an orthopedics
specialist to have someone look at an x-ray and see what she has
done. When she had the mild shoulder dislocation I figured that was
what it was and that there really is nothing that we can do about
that. So the Arnica is the best treatment anyway. We did get the x-
ray to be sure she hadn't done more than that, though. Same for the
bruise on her thigh.
When she has sprained her ankle, or her wrist, or injured her coccyx,
or broken bones (usually hairline or stress fractures are most
common), we do Arnica first and continue it, usually taking care of
the pain and healing the injury quickly and completely. We go to the
orthopedics doc if it doesn't seem to be healing quickly, mostly just
to verify what has been injured and how bad it is. So far she has
never needed a cast, only an "immobilizer" wrap for a broken humerus
once, and a soft ankle cast for a bad sprain.
For head injuries, however, we do not hesitate to go to the doctor.
I still administer the homeopathic remedies, but we do not want to
take any chances with brain injury.
I also broke my ankle stepping in a pothole and twisting it. It hurt
badly, but I had my Arnica 30C with me, took some, and was able to
drive home. I kept up the Arnica both internally and topically, iced
the ankle when it hurt, wrapped it with an Ace bandage, and was doing
well. But after about ten days I noticed that it had suddenly
ballooned up, which hadn't happened until then. That was when I went
to an orthopedics person for an x-ray and he said that it was indeed
broken.
He, of course, wanted to put me in a cast. I said, gee, I have been
walking around on this for ten days now. Seems to me I could just go
with one of those walking casts during the day, and wrap it at night,
so that I can get some sleep. He agreed, grudgingly, and when I went
back for my check-up a month later he was very surprised. He
said, "I don't know what you did, but it sure worked. You do not
need a cast, which I had expected I would be giving you today, and
you no longer need the walking cast, either." He showed me the x-
rays and the break had healed very nicely.
So get some Arnica 30C from your local health food store. Get some
Arnica spray and/or Arnica gel, too. The Ruta and Hypericum,
including the Hypericum spray, are also excellent to have on hand.
These are your best first line of defense in these types of injuries
and cheap, too! Ice and immobolize as much as possible. If pain
continues or swelling occurs then get to the orthopedics doc to see
what has happened. Usually this is just reassuring, but helps to
know exactly what you are dealing with.
Norma
The Infinitessimal Dose
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Infinitessimal
<pamhartley@m...> wrote:
<>My stoic child, Mikey, took a tumble off her scooter this evening
and can't/won't put weight on her right foot. The pain seems to be
one general small area to the inside of her ankle. There is no
noticeable swelling or any exterior sign of damage.
I am loathe to visit doctors unless necessary, perfectly willing to
go if it is necessary. Our current plan is to see how she is tomorrow
morning and decide.
Any experiences with general ankle injuries, how long to "wait and
see", etc., appreciated.<>
Pam:
Lots of experience with ankle and other injuries here. I am a
homeopath and my daughter is a 16-year-old competitive figure
skater. She falls dozens of times every day, at high speed, and
hard. A month or so ago she dislocated her shoulder. Last week she
had a huge swollen bruise on her thigh. It is always something in
high level figure skating.
I always carry homeopathic Arnica Montana 30C with me to the ice
arena, and a bottle of Arnica spray, as well as Arnica gel for
topical application. We apply the spray if the injury is too sore to
touch, and the gel if we can touch it, and she takes the Arnica 30C
internally, as often as one pellet every 15 minutes when the pain is
severe. And we ice the injury with a bag of crushed ice. As the
pain lessens we take the Arnica 30C pellets less and less frequently
until she doesn't need them, or needs them only a couple of times a
day as the healing progresses.
For sprains and strains we additionally use Ruta Graveolens 30C. And
for injuries to areas rich in nerves, like finger, toes, elbows or
tailbones, we use Hypericum 30C and Hypericum spray.
If there is swelling or bad pain that continues despite the remedies
and the icing then I might get an appointment with an orthopedics
specialist to have someone look at an x-ray and see what she has
done. When she had the mild shoulder dislocation I figured that was
what it was and that there really is nothing that we can do about
that. So the Arnica is the best treatment anyway. We did get the x-
ray to be sure she hadn't done more than that, though. Same for the
bruise on her thigh.
When she has sprained her ankle, or her wrist, or injured her coccyx,
or broken bones (usually hairline or stress fractures are most
common), we do Arnica first and continue it, usually taking care of
the pain and healing the injury quickly and completely. We go to the
orthopedics doc if it doesn't seem to be healing quickly, mostly just
to verify what has been injured and how bad it is. So far she has
never needed a cast, only an "immobilizer" wrap for a broken humerus
once, and a soft ankle cast for a bad sprain.
For head injuries, however, we do not hesitate to go to the doctor.
I still administer the homeopathic remedies, but we do not want to
take any chances with brain injury.
I also broke my ankle stepping in a pothole and twisting it. It hurt
badly, but I had my Arnica 30C with me, took some, and was able to
drive home. I kept up the Arnica both internally and topically, iced
the ankle when it hurt, wrapped it with an Ace bandage, and was doing
well. But after about ten days I noticed that it had suddenly
ballooned up, which hadn't happened until then. That was when I went
to an orthopedics person for an x-ray and he said that it was indeed
broken.
He, of course, wanted to put me in a cast. I said, gee, I have been
walking around on this for ten days now. Seems to me I could just go
with one of those walking casts during the day, and wrap it at night,
so that I can get some sleep. He agreed, grudgingly, and when I went
back for my check-up a month later he was very surprised. He
said, "I don't know what you did, but it sure worked. You do not
need a cast, which I had expected I would be giving you today, and
you no longer need the walking cast, either." He showed me the x-
rays and the break had healed very nicely.
So get some Arnica 30C from your local health food store. Get some
Arnica spray and/or Arnica gel, too. The Ruta and Hypericum,
including the Hypericum spray, are also excellent to have on hand.
These are your best first line of defense in these types of injuries
and cheap, too! Ice and immobolize as much as possible. If pain
continues or swelling occurs then get to the orthopedics doc to see
what has happened. Usually this is just reassuring, but helps to
know exactly what you are dealing with.
Norma
The Infinitessimal Dose
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Infinitessimal