[AlwaysLearning] To Register or Not to Register
Nanci Kuykendall
OK all you radicals, inquiring minds want to know.
Who's registered and toes their state's line, and who
is not and does not? Why and why not? I have been
going round and round with this question. The
compulsory age here (WA) is 8-18 and as my eldest will
be 8 next year it will soon be an issue I will have to
take a stand on, one way or another. Can they really
throw you in jail for not complying? Gimme some info
to chew on here folks. Thanks!
Nanci K.
Who's registered and toes their state's line, and who
is not and does not? Why and why not? I have been
going round and round with this question. The
compulsory age here (WA) is 8-18 and as my eldest will
be 8 next year it will soon be an issue I will have to
take a stand on, one way or another. Can they really
throw you in jail for not complying? Gimme some info
to chew on here folks. Thanks!
Nanci K.
[email protected]
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Nanci Kuykendall
<aisliin@...> writes:
technically as a "homeschool". There are no requirements on my child at
all, the only thing the state gets is a 3 page form that doesn't even
have my kids' name on it (mostly it just names me as being the
headmaster, teacher, and keeper of all records) and the only requirements
on me are things like "offering" certain subjects and keeping attendance
records (she's never been absent yet).
When we lived in Arizona when Rain was little, no one we knew registered.
They did get your name there, although there were no other requirements,
but the penalty if they caught you was a $50 fine and then you had to
register, no big deal. When we lived there a couple of years ago I didn't
register either - I could have claimed we were still California
residents, but I didn't file my private school R-4 here either, so I
guess I was just illegal. Nothing happened.
As a single mom, though, with a periodically irate FOB, I think I'm in a
slightly more precarious situation than most folks.
I think enforcement would vary by state, and even by city within the
state, so maybe your local folks would be better able to tell you if
anyone has actually been "caught", and what the penalty would be. If it
was like Arizona - $50 fine - I'd blow it off.
Dar
<aisliin@...> writes:
> OK all you radicals, inquiring minds want to know.I register here (California), although as a private school, not
> Who's registered and toes their state's line, and who
> is not and does not? Why and why not? I have been
> going round and round with this question. The
> compulsory age here (WA) is 8-18 and as my eldest will
> be 8 next year it will soon be an issue I will have to
> take a stand on, one way or another. Can they really
> throw you in jail for not complying? Gimme some info
> to chew on here folks. Thanks!
>
technically as a "homeschool". There are no requirements on my child at
all, the only thing the state gets is a 3 page form that doesn't even
have my kids' name on it (mostly it just names me as being the
headmaster, teacher, and keeper of all records) and the only requirements
on me are things like "offering" certain subjects and keeping attendance
records (she's never been absent yet).
When we lived in Arizona when Rain was little, no one we knew registered.
They did get your name there, although there were no other requirements,
but the penalty if they caught you was a $50 fine and then you had to
register, no big deal. When we lived there a couple of years ago I didn't
register either - I could have claimed we were still California
residents, but I didn't file my private school R-4 here either, so I
guess I was just illegal. Nothing happened.
As a single mom, though, with a periodically irate FOB, I think I'm in a
slightly more precarious situation than most folks.
I think enforcement would vary by state, and even by city within the
state, so maybe your local folks would be better able to tell you if
anyone has actually been "caught", and what the penalty would be. If it
was like Arizona - $50 fine - I'd blow it off.
Dar
Sylvia Toyama
We're registered, but since that's all that's required here in New Mexico, it's not a big issue with me. I have thought about being non-registered, but we made the decision to homeschool only after pre-registering our 2nd child for kindergarten, so they already knew we were here. Every year, I'm tempted to just not re-register and find out how long it takes them to discover us. I suppose I could say I mailed the forms in and had no idea they weren't received. <g>
Sylvia
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We register. We live in Kansas and all we have to do is fill out a small
form, takes about five minutes. Homeschooling isn't specifically mentioned in our
state law, we register as a non-accredited private school. It asks for a name
of the school and address and it asks for a name and address of someone who
keeps our records. It doesn't ask for kids names or anything. And we only have
to do it one time, unless we have a change of address or if the kids go to
school then we would have to reregister. It doesn't cost anything either. I could
have twenty kids and stay in the same house and I would still never have to
reregister, so that is nice.
BTW, Happy Thanksgiving to all our Canadian friends!!!
~Nancy
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form, takes about five minutes. Homeschooling isn't specifically mentioned in our
state law, we register as a non-accredited private school. It asks for a name
of the school and address and it asks for a name and address of someone who
keeps our records. It doesn't ask for kids names or anything. And we only have
to do it one time, unless we have a change of address or if the kids go to
school then we would have to reregister. It doesn't cost anything either. I could
have twenty kids and stay in the same house and I would still never have to
reregister, so that is nice.
BTW, Happy Thanksgiving to all our Canadian friends!!!
~Nancy
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pam sorooshian
Nanci --
NHEN's State Support Liaison for the State of Washington is Mary May at
marmay5@.... I know her well, she's VERY up-to-speed on the
homeschooling climate there and would be able to tell you whether
noncompliance involves a serious risk or not. She can also give you
ideas of ways to comply that won't impinge on an unschooler.
Washington is different than California, so I have no personal advice -
you have real homeschooling law there.
-pam
NHEN's State Support Liaison for the State of Washington is Mary May at
marmay5@.... I know her well, she's VERY up-to-speed on the
homeschooling climate there and would be able to tell you whether
noncompliance involves a serious risk or not. She can also give you
ideas of ways to comply that won't impinge on an unschooler.
Washington is different than California, so I have no personal advice -
you have real homeschooling law there.
-pam
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/13/03 2:19:25 PM, syltoyama@... writes:
<< Every year, I'm tempted to just not re-register and find out how long it
takes them to discover us. I suppose I could say I mailed the forms in and had
no idea they weren't received. <g> >>
You can fill the forms in and make copies. They used to have to be
notarized. You could get them notarized just to be super-cool. MAKE COPIES!!!
Then put the original in an envelope. Then put the right address on it.
Then... Put in under the couch, or in the trash, or in a box of stuff going into
storage for years.
And when/IF anyone asks if you registered you say this:
"You want a copy of the form?"
And if the person who asks is the state, say "OH, you don't have a copy? Do
you want another one?"
And that's not a lie. It IS a copy. And you can give them to all your
friends and relatives.
I registered four years in a row. From Kirby in kindergarten to Kirby in
third/Marty in kindergarten.
Then I didn't register. And nobody has ever asked in nine years.
Sandra
<< Every year, I'm tempted to just not re-register and find out how long it
takes them to discover us. I suppose I could say I mailed the forms in and had
no idea they weren't received. <g> >>
You can fill the forms in and make copies. They used to have to be
notarized. You could get them notarized just to be super-cool. MAKE COPIES!!!
Then put the original in an envelope. Then put the right address on it.
Then... Put in under the couch, or in the trash, or in a box of stuff going into
storage for years.
And when/IF anyone asks if you registered you say this:
"You want a copy of the form?"
And if the person who asks is the state, say "OH, you don't have a copy? Do
you want another one?"
And that's not a lie. It IS a copy. And you can give them to all your
friends and relatives.
I registered four years in a row. From Kirby in kindergarten to Kirby in
third/Marty in kindergarten.
Then I didn't register. And nobody has ever asked in nine years.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/13/2003 1:57:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
aisliin@... writes:
-=-Can they really
throw you in jail for not complying? Gimme some info
to chew on here folks. Thanks!-=-
I forgot this part.
In New Mexico if you're found not to be in compliance, they notify you and
then you're required to comply.
<g>
If you're discovered again not to have done so, you could be fined up to $50
(last I knew, up from $25).
I've never known of anyone being asked directly to comply.
Sandra
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aisliin@... writes:
-=-Can they really
throw you in jail for not complying? Gimme some info
to chew on here folks. Thanks!-=-
I forgot this part.
In New Mexico if you're found not to be in compliance, they notify you and
then you're required to comply.
<g>
If you're discovered again not to have done so, you could be fined up to $50
(last I knew, up from $25).
I've never known of anyone being asked directly to comply.
Sandra
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Fetteroll
on 10/13/03 3:54 PM, Nanci Kuykendall at aisliin@... wrote:
about people who refused to comply with some regulation. Even with other
regulations, like having your car registered or something, they notify you
first to give you a chance to comply.
Joyce
> Can they really throw you in jail for not complying?The cases I've heard of that ended up legal battles or a parent in jail were
about people who refused to comply with some regulation. Even with other
regulations, like having your car registered or something, they notify you
first to give you a chance to comply.
Joyce
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On 13 Oct 2003 at 12:54, Nanci Kuykendall wrote:
that's it's none of the states business. Except that "we" have allowed it to be their
business when "we" created government schools and compulsory education laws.
We will register Option 3 (South Carolina) because it's not worth a fight and I really don't
want to have anything to do with DSS.
Lydia, mom to the energetic Lyndsey
> OK all you radicals, inquiring minds want to know.We thought about not registering. The reason for not is that the libertarian in me says
> Who's registered and toes their state's line, and who
> is not and does not? Why and why not?
that's it's none of the states business. Except that "we" have allowed it to be their
business when "we" created government schools and compulsory education laws.
We will register Option 3 (South Carolina) because it's not worth a fight and I really don't
want to have anything to do with DSS.
Lydia, mom to the energetic Lyndsey
Traci
> On 13 Oct 2003 at 12:54, Nanci Kuykendall wrote:Hi,
> > OK all you radicals, inquiring minds want to know.
> > Who's registered and toes their state's line, and who
> > is not and does not? Why and why not?
We've registered in New Hampshire since we began three years ago,
mostly because of the perks of having that letter from the school
department. All we need to do is send a "letter of intent to
homeschool", and at the end of the year either do at-home testing,
or portfolio evaluation (our choice). The letter from the SAU,
confirming we are homeschooling, has been used to acquire teacher
discounts at places like Staples, Barnes & Noble, and such, and
gives me access to a NH resource called Donation Depot (companies
donate surplus, teachers pick what they want for free). So for us,
the pluses outweigh the minuses.
Just my two. :)
~Traci
[email protected]
>>OK all you radicals, inquiring minds want to know.We do. We live in NC and there aren't that many requirements. In NC there
>>Who's registered and toes their state's line, and who
>>is not and does not? Why and why not?
is a separate nonpublic education department that handles homeschooling. If
you do not comply with the state laws you are considered truant, then you have
to deal with the local school officials. The laws here are very easy to comply
with so it isn't a big deal. Also I can use the Intent To Homeschool card to
get discounts at books stores etc. Gotta love that.
Pam G
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crystal.pina
>>OK all you radicals, inquiring minds want to know.I registered (Massachusetts) because I don't think it's worth putting my
>>Who's registered and toes their state's line, and who
>>is not and does not? Why and why not?
kids in jeopardy over a principal. That's not fair to them.
I also like the perks of "educators discounts" you get with the letter
although I could just print up my own letter if I didn't register.
Crystal
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In a message dated 10/17/03 10:59:42 AM, crystal.pina@... writes:
<< I registered (Massachusetts) because I don't think it's worth putting my
kids in jeopardy over a principal. That's not fair to them. >>
When I didn't register in New Mexico it was on the principle of not putting
my kids at risk. They had a testing requirement. We ditched the test when
Kirby was 3rd grade age (which was the first test year in those days, before they
switched to 4th and then eliminated the testing altogether). We ditched the
make-up exam, too, and I was afraid they'd "come after us." They didn't.
I stopped registering just so I wouldn't be on the list of people they
summoned to test-day.
Sandra
<< I registered (Massachusetts) because I don't think it's worth putting my
kids in jeopardy over a principal. That's not fair to them. >>
When I didn't register in New Mexico it was on the principle of not putting
my kids at risk. They had a testing requirement. We ditched the test when
Kirby was 3rd grade age (which was the first test year in those days, before they
switched to 4th and then eliminated the testing altogether). We ditched the
make-up exam, too, and I was afraid they'd "come after us." They didn't.
I stopped registering just so I wouldn't be on the list of people they
summoned to test-day.
Sandra