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jennyandchirs
I'm new here and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Jenny and I've got four kiddos who I spend my days with...Molly, 11 on Thursday, Kyla, 8 1/2, Rachel 6, and Aren, 3 on July 28. We're eclectic unschoolers. We live in SE Oklahoma...about an hour from Tulsa where we're from. We're experimenting with gardening, animal husbandry (we've got a family cow and her calf, chickens, rabbits, dogs, cats, a guinea pig, a hamster, a teeny box turtle and some fish), alternative energy/building and becoming more self-sufficient. We've been in the country for 1 year and 9 months (we moved the weekend after 9/11....just a coincidence...and eery one but a coincidence nonetheless.) This has been an interesting learning experience for us all. My long-term goal is to move closer to the city again (maybe only 30 minutes away) and help my husband get away from his job.
I joined the group hoping to find some support for the way I parent/homeschool/live. My local (Tulsa) homeschooling group is very inclusive and supportive. I just can't get to them often enough now that we live out in the middle of nowhere. My husband is very supportive and a great person to co-parent with. I'm just feeling a little "out there" right now in my choice for us because of our geographical isolation and how different we seem to most in our immediate community. Plus, no matter how great he is, he can't replace the need I have to surround myself with other women (no offense to any men here.)
I look forward to meeting some of you and hearing why you're on this list and what your lives are like.
Jenny
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I joined the group hoping to find some support for the way I parent/homeschool/live. My local (Tulsa) homeschooling group is very inclusive and supportive. I just can't get to them often enough now that we live out in the middle of nowhere. My husband is very supportive and a great person to co-parent with. I'm just feeling a little "out there" right now in my choice for us because of our geographical isolation and how different we seem to most in our immediate community. Plus, no matter how great he is, he can't replace the need I have to surround myself with other women (no offense to any men here.)
I look forward to meeting some of you and hearing why you're on this list and what your lives are like.
Jenny
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Kris Vaitkus
Jenny-
It sounds like you have chosen a very interesting lifestyle. I fell in love
with donkies when I visited several of the Greek Islands YEARS ago. I would
love to have one. However, we live in the suburbs. I think it is
interesting how isolated one can feel even when living in a geographical
area where there are lots of people.
We have two 6 3/4 year old fraternal twins. One is currently sick and I have
to get back to her. She may have strept throat. They have both been on
antibiotics once in their lives so far. I am waiting for the doctor's
office to open. Her stomach hurts, has temp and sore throat at times. They
haven't been sick much and it is always a new/strange experience to have one
of them sick. I can't imagine what it would be like with 4 children.
We also have two geriatric dogs (old english sheepdog and a bichon frise).
I have spent a lot of time/$ at vets with both of them. The bichon was my
mother's dog. They are both l4 years old. We also have a ragdoll cat that
my husband found over the computer...she is from California, six years old
and she came with the name Snow White!
Well...just wanted to say hi.
Kris
It sounds like you have chosen a very interesting lifestyle. I fell in love
with donkies when I visited several of the Greek Islands YEARS ago. I would
love to have one. However, we live in the suburbs. I think it is
interesting how isolated one can feel even when living in a geographical
area where there are lots of people.
We have two 6 3/4 year old fraternal twins. One is currently sick and I have
to get back to her. She may have strept throat. They have both been on
antibiotics once in their lives so far. I am waiting for the doctor's
office to open. Her stomach hurts, has temp and sore throat at times. They
haven't been sick much and it is always a new/strange experience to have one
of them sick. I can't imagine what it would be like with 4 children.
We also have two geriatric dogs (old english sheepdog and a bichon frise).
I have spent a lot of time/$ at vets with both of them. The bichon was my
mother's dog. They are both l4 years old. We also have a ragdoll cat that
my husband found over the computer...she is from California, six years old
and she came with the name Snow White!
Well...just wanted to say hi.
Kris
----- Original Message -----
From: "jennyandchirs" <jennyandchris@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:25 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] newbie
> I'm new here and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Jenny and I've
got four kiddos who I spend my days with...Molly, 11 on Thursday, Kyla, 8
1/2, Rachel 6, and Aren, 3 on July 28. We're eclectic unschoolers. We live
in SE Oklahoma...about an hour from Tulsa where we're from. We're
experimenting with gardening, animal husbandry (we've got a family cow and
her calf, chickens, rabbits, dogs, cats, a guinea pig, a hamster, a teeny
box turtle and some fish), alternative energy/building and becoming more
self-sufficient. We've been in the country for 1 year and 9 months (we
moved the weekend after 9/11....just a coincidence...and eery one but a
coincidence nonetheless.) This has been an interesting learning experience
for us all. My long-term goal is to move closer to the city again (maybe
only 30 minutes away) and help my husband get away from his job.
>
> I joined the group hoping to find some support for the way I
parent/homeschool/live. My local (Tulsa) homeschooling group is very
inclusive and supportive. I just can't get to them often enough now that we
live out in the middle of nowhere. My husband is very supportive and a
great person to co-parent with. I'm just feeling a little "out there" right
now in my choice for us because of our geographical isolation and how
different we seem to most in our immediate community. Plus, no matter how
great he is, he can't replace the need I have to surround myself with other
women (no offense to any men here.)
>
> I look forward to meeting some of you and hearing why you're on this list
and what your lives are like.
>
> Jenny
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In a message dated 6/23/2003 1:43:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
jennyandchris@... writes:
How close are you to Fayetteville/Rogers/Springdale? My parents live in that
area and they are always pressuring me to move up there. But I figured if we
ever did we'd live in OK because of the homeschooling freedom.
I too live out in the country, about 47 miles east of Memphis. My husband
works 50 miles further east, so we decided to share the driving and move from
Memphis to the halfway point. People from our unschooling group want to come
out and see me, but I find it has to be carefully planned and for special
occasions. Very few people will come out just to hang out, or more than once or
twice. That's a huge drawback for me.
I only have one child left in the house, though, so we drive to Memphis a
lot, almost every day. He plays baseball in his old league (made the All-Star
team this week!). Since during the school year the one kid who lives nearby is
not available, we work harder at keeping his friendships in Memphis, too.
It's summertime now, though, and he hangs out every day with Charlie, and
sometimes Charlie's friends from school. Luckily for us, none of them have turned
out to be bullies. (The first kid we met out here WAS a bully and we promptly
excised that little wart.)
Even though we go to Memphis almost every day (it's baseball season), we seem
to be more of homebodies than we were living in town. We have a huge garden,
like we've never had before. My son has about 20 cantalopes about ready to
pick. He gets to fish every day, and he's learning about growing cotton
because we live next to a cotton field. I'm also enjoying something I never thought
I would, and that's pulling weeds! I go out every morning around 7 (it's too
hot after that), and sit on a flattened box and go row by row. It's like
meditation.
So in some ways it's a real drawback to move away from civilization. But in
other ways it has changed me a lot.
Welcome to the list!
Tuck
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jennyandchris@... writes:
> I look forward to meeting some of you and hearing why you're on this listHey, Jenny.
> and what your lives are like.
>
How close are you to Fayetteville/Rogers/Springdale? My parents live in that
area and they are always pressuring me to move up there. But I figured if we
ever did we'd live in OK because of the homeschooling freedom.
I too live out in the country, about 47 miles east of Memphis. My husband
works 50 miles further east, so we decided to share the driving and move from
Memphis to the halfway point. People from our unschooling group want to come
out and see me, but I find it has to be carefully planned and for special
occasions. Very few people will come out just to hang out, or more than once or
twice. That's a huge drawback for me.
I only have one child left in the house, though, so we drive to Memphis a
lot, almost every day. He plays baseball in his old league (made the All-Star
team this week!). Since during the school year the one kid who lives nearby is
not available, we work harder at keeping his friendships in Memphis, too.
It's summertime now, though, and he hangs out every day with Charlie, and
sometimes Charlie's friends from school. Luckily for us, none of them have turned
out to be bullies. (The first kid we met out here WAS a bully and we promptly
excised that little wart.)
Even though we go to Memphis almost every day (it's baseball season), we seem
to be more of homebodies than we were living in town. We have a huge garden,
like we've never had before. My son has about 20 cantalopes about ready to
pick. He gets to fish every day, and he's learning about growing cotton
because we live next to a cotton field. I'm also enjoying something I never thought
I would, and that's pulling weeds! I go out every morning around 7 (it's too
hot after that), and sit on a flattened box and go row by row. It's like
meditation.
So in some ways it's a real drawback to move away from civilization. But in
other ways it has changed me a lot.
Welcome to the list!
Tuck
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jennyandchirs
How close are you to Fayetteville/Rogers/Springdale?
We're about 2 hours from Fayetteville. We were actually looking at moving to Fayetteville before we moved out here. There was a possibility of my husband xferring there and I just love the place. The cost of living is really high though.
Friends is an issue that I have living this far away. My kids only have one local friend and she's around in the summer some. She's a sweet kid but when she's here the dynamic is difficult.
The first year that we lived out here, I had three very dear friends who came out really often. Last summer, one moved to Costa Rica to attempt a go at an intentional community, one moved home to Oregon and one has been through a brain tumor operation and is just now able to visit us again (since last fall.) It's great when she comes because she also has four kids and they all get along marvelously. My younger three children don't seem to mind the alone time so much. My oldest is really missing her friends. We try and see them as much as we can but it's tough. Her favorite friends live 30 min north of Tulsa so that's an hour and a half for us...but we go when we can...about once every other month maybe. I get to see my own friends pretty often because I go in to Tulsa twice a month for a mother's night out with other homeschooling moms.
I'm also amazed at what I've found peace in out here. I love to weed my small garden as well. I love to water it. I love to go out every morning and check on all the chickens and our cow and her calf. I also love to gather up whatever fruits/foods I can find that grow in the "wild" here. Right now, we're making nightly excursions at dusk (when it starts to cool down and we can either all go or I can go alone without kids) to gather the most amazing blackberries I've ever seen. We picked last year but I don't remember them being this big and juicy. We freeze them and eat them year round and I like to use them in pies, syrup and jam. We also have mulberries, persimmons, pecans, a 30 yr. old pear tree that produces enough pears to feed LOTS of families, and a fig tree (the last three planted by my husband's grandpa.) I know there's more here to be found but I haven't gotten myself educated enough to find it.....yet.
Jenny
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We're about 2 hours from Fayetteville. We were actually looking at moving to Fayetteville before we moved out here. There was a possibility of my husband xferring there and I just love the place. The cost of living is really high though.
Friends is an issue that I have living this far away. My kids only have one local friend and she's around in the summer some. She's a sweet kid but when she's here the dynamic is difficult.
The first year that we lived out here, I had three very dear friends who came out really often. Last summer, one moved to Costa Rica to attempt a go at an intentional community, one moved home to Oregon and one has been through a brain tumor operation and is just now able to visit us again (since last fall.) It's great when she comes because she also has four kids and they all get along marvelously. My younger three children don't seem to mind the alone time so much. My oldest is really missing her friends. We try and see them as much as we can but it's tough. Her favorite friends live 30 min north of Tulsa so that's an hour and a half for us...but we go when we can...about once every other month maybe. I get to see my own friends pretty often because I go in to Tulsa twice a month for a mother's night out with other homeschooling moms.
I'm also amazed at what I've found peace in out here. I love to weed my small garden as well. I love to water it. I love to go out every morning and check on all the chickens and our cow and her calf. I also love to gather up whatever fruits/foods I can find that grow in the "wild" here. Right now, we're making nightly excursions at dusk (when it starts to cool down and we can either all go or I can go alone without kids) to gather the most amazing blackberries I've ever seen. We picked last year but I don't remember them being this big and juicy. We freeze them and eat them year round and I like to use them in pies, syrup and jam. We also have mulberries, persimmons, pecans, a 30 yr. old pear tree that produces enough pears to feed LOTS of families, and a fig tree (the last three planted by my husband's grandpa.) I know there's more here to be found but I haven't gotten myself educated enough to find it.....yet.
Jenny
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jennyandchirs
She may have strept throat.
My oldest daughter went to ps K and the first two months of first grade. When she started K, she came home one day very ill and had strep throat. We all got it (5 of us at the time) again and again. We ended up having it 5 times between November and May. I still think there was a child who was a carrier in her class. This is one of the only times I have used antibiotics and I'd do it again. It was so hard because we just kept getting it and we were so worn down. We gave it to my mother and sister as well. It's the sickest I've ever been (except for a nasty case of mastitis.) I feel for your little girl. Strep throat can be awful. Hope she has a speedy recovery.
Jenny
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My oldest daughter went to ps K and the first two months of first grade. When she started K, she came home one day very ill and had strep throat. We all got it (5 of us at the time) again and again. We ended up having it 5 times between November and May. I still think there was a child who was a carrier in her class. This is one of the only times I have used antibiotics and I'd do it again. It was so hard because we just kept getting it and we were so worn down. We gave it to my mother and sister as well. It's the sickest I've ever been (except for a nasty case of mastitis.) I feel for your little girl. Strep throat can be awful. Hope she has a speedy recovery.
Jenny
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Tia Leschke
> I only have one child left in the house, though, so we drive to Memphis aAll-Star
> lot, almost every day. He plays baseball in his old league (made the
> team this week!).Hey! Tell him way to go!
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
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In a message dated 6/23/2003 10:49:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
leschke@... writes:
Tuck
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leschke@... writes:
> >I only have one child left in the house, though, so we drive to Memphis aThanks, Tia. I will!
> >lot, almost every day. He plays baseball in his old league (made the
> All-Star
> >team this week!).
>
> Hey! Tell him way to go!
>
Tuck
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Tia Leschke
> The first year that we lived out here, I had three very dear friends whocame out really often. Last summer, one moved to Costa Rica to attempt a go
at an intentional community, one moved home to Oregon and one has been
through a brain tumor operation and is just now able to visit us again
(since last fall.) It's great when she comes because she also has four kids
and they all get along marvelously. My younger three children don't seem
to mind the alone time so much. My oldest is really missing her friends.
We try and see them as much as we can but it's tough. Her favorite friends
live 30 min north of Tulsa so that's an hour and a half for us...but we go
when we can...about once every other month maybe. I get to see my own
friends pretty often because I go in to Tulsa twice a month for a mother's
night out with other homeschooling moms.
If you left earlier, could you take your daughter to her friend's for a
drop-off visit during your mother's night? Or maybe an overnight? Could
her friend come for an overnight at your place?
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
jennyandchirs
If you left earlier, could you take your daughter to her friend's for a drop-off visit during your mother's night? Or maybe an overnight? Could her friend come for an overnight at your place?
Tia
Tia,
Thanks for the suggestions. I had not really considered this because she's never been a night owl and I stay out pretty late. I bet now that she's almost 11 (on Thursday!!!) she might really enjoy an evening visit with a friend or even her grandma.
The overnight stuff is tricky because it's always quite a dilemma about how to get everyone back where they belong the next day. And, some of our friends aren't really comfortable with their kids being an hour away for the night and, honestly, I'm not all that thrilled about it either. At least on my end though, my mother would be close to her.
Anyway, thanks again!!!
Jenny
Tia
Tia,
Thanks for the suggestions. I had not really considered this because she's never been a night owl and I stay out pretty late. I bet now that she's almost 11 (on Thursday!!!) she might really enjoy an evening visit with a friend or even her grandma.
The overnight stuff is tricky because it's always quite a dilemma about how to get everyone back where they belong the next day. And, some of our friends aren't really comfortable with their kids being an hour away for the night and, honestly, I'm not all that thrilled about it either. At least on my end though, my mother would be close to her.
Anyway, thanks again!!!
Jenny
----- Original Message -----
From: Tia Leschke
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] newbie
> The first year that we lived out here, I had three very dear friends who
came out really often. Last summer, one moved to Costa Rica to attempt a go
at an intentional community, one moved home to Oregon and one has been
through a brain tumor operation and is just now able to visit us again
(since last fall.) It's great when she comes because she also has four kids
and they all get along marvelously. My younger three children don't seem
to mind the alone time so much. My oldest is really missing her friends.
We try and see them as much as we can but it's tough. Her favorite friends
live 30 min north of Tulsa so that's an hour and a half for us...but we go
when we can...about once every other month maybe. I get to see my own
friends pretty often because I go in to Tulsa twice a month for a mother's
night out with other homeschooling moms.
If you left earlier, could you take your daughter to her friend's for a
drop-off visit during your mother's night? Or maybe an overnight? Could
her friend come for an overnight at your place?
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
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In a message dated 10/28/2003 2:54:58 AM Central Standard Time,
fjestice@... writes:
Any ideas about how to bring up the idea
without getting kicked out of the will?
Don't bring it up. Allow her to assume that you are using workbooks or that
they will be going to preschool at age 3 or whatever. Don't invite her over.
Don't discuss your children's education except in the most vague of terms.
Become practiced at changing the subject and using deflecting lines. Anyone
who would say something like that doesn't deserve to know, and she certainly
doesn't get a say in it.
Tuck
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fjestice@... writes:
Any ideas about how to bring up the idea
without getting kicked out of the will?
Don't bring it up. Allow her to assume that you are using workbooks or that
they will be going to preschool at age 3 or whatever. Don't invite her over.
Don't discuss your children's education except in the most vague of terms.
Become practiced at changing the subject and using deflecting lines. Anyone
who would say something like that doesn't deserve to know, and she certainly
doesn't get a say in it.
Tuck
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J. Stauffer
<<how to bring it up without getting kicked out of the will?>>
How we handled the situation is to start with homeschool. I would fill
grandma in on things the kids were learning. She appeared to be under the
assumption that I was teaching this stuff to the kids....so I would say
"No!! She figured it out on her own!!" Like I couldn't believe it. Then as
the kids got older about 9, the questions started to come. Adriane would
tell people we play all day and don't "do" school. So naturally grandma was
curious. I explained things to her, offered her some books. She never read
them, stating "whatever you guys are doing its working fine. The kids are
sharp as tacks."
Big grins from me.
Julie S.
How we handled the situation is to start with homeschool. I would fill
grandma in on things the kids were learning. She appeared to be under the
assumption that I was teaching this stuff to the kids....so I would say
"No!! She figured it out on her own!!" Like I couldn't believe it. Then as
the kids got older about 9, the questions started to come. Adriane would
tell people we play all day and don't "do" school. So naturally grandma was
curious. I explained things to her, offered her some books. She never read
them, stating "whatever you guys are doing its working fine. The kids are
sharp as tacks."
Big grins from me.
Julie S.
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From: "Flora" <fjestice@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:12 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] newbie
> Hi!
>
> I am new here. I am on a few other homeschool/unschool lists. You guys are
> great! Really informative, and inspiring. I have a 2 year old son who is
> going to be unschooled. We have yet to convey this idea to my in-laws who
> are pretty much against every other parenting idea we have implemented
> (co-sleeping, breastfeeding, gentle parenting, etc.). My mil thinks that
> all children need "training". She once said "Children are god's way of
> punishing you for enjoying sex." Any ideas about how to bring up the idea
> without getting kicked out of the will? <g> I was thinking of
> articles/statistics...any good ones? Books are too much - I need some
> fairly quick come-backs. I was thinking of bringing up homeschooling first
> and not even broaching the idea of unschooling until I see how it settles.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> ~Flora, Sean (dh) and Liam (ds)
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In a message dated 10/28/03 1:55:00 AM, fjestice@... writes:
<< We have yet to convey this idea to my in-laws who
are pretty much against every other parenting idea we have implemented
(co-sleeping, breastfeeding, gentle parenting, etc.). >>
My mother in law came to visit when Kirby was a week old. I asked her if she
wanted to change his diaper to be what I thought was generous and friendly.
I like to change other people's babies diapers. It's an intimate "see the
whole thing," make the baby feel better, yada yada. Usually people just get to
keep the baby away from its mom, but changing them is doing them a favor.
Also she was an nurse and a mom, so I thought she'd have a particular
interest in seeing how he was compared to her own kids.
She looked at me kind of funny and said "I guess so."
Maybe it was a mistake and maybe not, looking back at it from 17 years. But
when she came back out she said this:
"You have to get him circumcised."
"We decided not to."
She recited some 1940's stuff and I recited some 1980's stuff, and asked her
if she wanted to read some of what we read to decide. She did the derisive
laugh/snort she does to preface something semi-neutral when she really wants it
to be a put-down and said "Well I'll read it, but it won't change my mind."
They were staying in their camper in the mountains. I gave her three books
(maybe four) with a sticky note on the best anti-circumcision page of each and
she took them.
The next day when she showed up she set the three books very gently on the
table in the same place they had been, and said *GENTLY* "Well, things have
changed a lot since I was in nursing school."
When we decided to keep him home instead of kindergarten, we had contingency
plans. It wasn't a life commitment, it was a "keep him home this year and
see." When she questioned it, I asked if she wanted to read what we read, and
she (snortlessly) declined.
Just this year (early 2003) we got a routine letter from my husband's
parents. At that time we'd been homeschooling most of 12 years, with three kids.
For the first time, she said we were doing a good job homeschooling and our kids
were thriving. (Not the exact quote, but it was good to have something
positive, even though it took twelve years.)
<<She once said "Children are god's way of
punishing you for enjoying sex." >>
What a weird attitude! Your poor husband, growing up feeling that he was the
growing wrath of God (if he knew she thought that).
<<Any ideas about how to bring up the idea
without getting kicked out of the will? >>
Just don't bother. Just say "homeschooling" and don't talk about methods
until you have to, and then say "individualized" until you have to say different.
There was just a letter that someone wrote to his friend. On the forum, I
think, at www.unschooling.com, was it? And Kelly Lovejoy's husband wrote one
to his mom a while back. Maybe those letters should be put where others can
find them to use them to mine parts.
But with a very small child, just say as little as possible. The best
stories to tell her are the learning stories. Enough of those build up and it will
be easy to move into saying "He's learning so much and so well, I don't want
to put him in school where his rhythm will be messed up."
And it ALWAYS helps to say "We're going to do this until it isn't working
anymore."
Anyone who says "He'll only see the inside of a school over my dead body" is
just asking for parental trouble, because they do have a biological and legal
relationship with that child and so "Do you want to read what we read to
decide?" is way better than any form of "screw you," no matter how disguised it is.
And if you say "If you want to read this [specific stuff], we could discuss
it" puts the next move on them. If they don't want to read that stuff, you
don't have to discuss it.
-=-Books are too much - I need some
fairly quick come-backs.-=-
Specific chapters of books?
Magazine articles?
Sandra
<< We have yet to convey this idea to my in-laws who
are pretty much against every other parenting idea we have implemented
(co-sleeping, breastfeeding, gentle parenting, etc.). >>
My mother in law came to visit when Kirby was a week old. I asked her if she
wanted to change his diaper to be what I thought was generous and friendly.
I like to change other people's babies diapers. It's an intimate "see the
whole thing," make the baby feel better, yada yada. Usually people just get to
keep the baby away from its mom, but changing them is doing them a favor.
Also she was an nurse and a mom, so I thought she'd have a particular
interest in seeing how he was compared to her own kids.
She looked at me kind of funny and said "I guess so."
Maybe it was a mistake and maybe not, looking back at it from 17 years. But
when she came back out she said this:
"You have to get him circumcised."
"We decided not to."
She recited some 1940's stuff and I recited some 1980's stuff, and asked her
if she wanted to read some of what we read to decide. She did the derisive
laugh/snort she does to preface something semi-neutral when she really wants it
to be a put-down and said "Well I'll read it, but it won't change my mind."
They were staying in their camper in the mountains. I gave her three books
(maybe four) with a sticky note on the best anti-circumcision page of each and
she took them.
The next day when she showed up she set the three books very gently on the
table in the same place they had been, and said *GENTLY* "Well, things have
changed a lot since I was in nursing school."
When we decided to keep him home instead of kindergarten, we had contingency
plans. It wasn't a life commitment, it was a "keep him home this year and
see." When she questioned it, I asked if she wanted to read what we read, and
she (snortlessly) declined.
Just this year (early 2003) we got a routine letter from my husband's
parents. At that time we'd been homeschooling most of 12 years, with three kids.
For the first time, she said we were doing a good job homeschooling and our kids
were thriving. (Not the exact quote, but it was good to have something
positive, even though it took twelve years.)
<<She once said "Children are god's way of
punishing you for enjoying sex." >>
What a weird attitude! Your poor husband, growing up feeling that he was the
growing wrath of God (if he knew she thought that).
<<Any ideas about how to bring up the idea
without getting kicked out of the will? >>
Just don't bother. Just say "homeschooling" and don't talk about methods
until you have to, and then say "individualized" until you have to say different.
There was just a letter that someone wrote to his friend. On the forum, I
think, at www.unschooling.com, was it? And Kelly Lovejoy's husband wrote one
to his mom a while back. Maybe those letters should be put where others can
find them to use them to mine parts.
But with a very small child, just say as little as possible. The best
stories to tell her are the learning stories. Enough of those build up and it will
be easy to move into saying "He's learning so much and so well, I don't want
to put him in school where his rhythm will be messed up."
And it ALWAYS helps to say "We're going to do this until it isn't working
anymore."
Anyone who says "He'll only see the inside of a school over my dead body" is
just asking for parental trouble, because they do have a biological and legal
relationship with that child and so "Do you want to read what we read to
decide?" is way better than any form of "screw you," no matter how disguised it is.
And if you say "If you want to read this [specific stuff], we could discuss
it" puts the next move on them. If they don't want to read that stuff, you
don't have to discuss it.
-=-Books are too much - I need some
fairly quick come-backs.-=-
Specific chapters of books?
Magazine articles?
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/28/03 7:17:49 AM, KathrynJB@... writes:
<< Flora, I have to say that your chances of staying in the will seem slim.
Keith's parents have money. They spent a lot of it travelling after they
retired, but they still have money. I was resigned to not getting any if they
got pissed off.
If we're going to raise our children on the hope of being paid later for
doing it someone else's way, our priorities are going to bite us in the ass. Some
people with money end up using all of it in the end on a nursing home and a
cataclysmic kind of injury or illness.
If you raise the kids the way you honestly think is best, be tactful with
your inlaws, tell them good and happy stories about what the kids are learning,
and remain as pure-hearted as you can, let the chips fall where they may.
Sandra
<< Flora, I have to say that your chances of staying in the will seem slim.
>>Kathryn, your comment was all stuck in the quote!
Keith's parents have money. They spent a lot of it travelling after they
retired, but they still have money. I was resigned to not getting any if they
got pissed off.
If we're going to raise our children on the hope of being paid later for
doing it someone else's way, our priorities are going to bite us in the ass. Some
people with money end up using all of it in the end on a nursing home and a
cataclysmic kind of injury or illness.
If you raise the kids the way you honestly think is best, be tactful with
your inlaws, tell them good and happy stories about what the kids are learning,
and remain as pure-hearted as you can, let the chips fall where they may.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/28/03 7:51:14 AM, syltoyama@... writes:
<< Maybe you could just remind her that any distress caused by any of your
alternative parenting choices is just 'punishment' for her having enjoyed sex
with your fil. <eg> >>
OOOH! OOOH!! GOOD ONE!
<<Or maybe they'll have other grandchildren and need less vicarious
gratification from your child/ren. >>
We thought we would have the first and only grandchildren. Keith's brother
had been married twelve years or more and no kids. Keith and I had been
together for six years and married for two before Kirby came, but just before that
the older brother had one. The middle brother never has.
So the older brother had two, about Kirby and Marty's ages.
It made it hard at first, because Travis and Curtis wore suits for their
photos, Travis and Curtis went to church every Sunday, Travis and Curtis had
report cards and sports stories. Travis and Curtis lived in a fancy house in
Hannahan, South Carolina. Travis and Curtis said "Yes Sir" and "Yes Ma'am."
You can all guess, I'm sure. <g>
Travis and Curtis ended up hating school, hating their parents, refusing to
visit their grandparents, being thrown off sports teams or forbidden by their
dad, so they hated him worse. Travis and Curtis are surly and sneaky (Travis
is, I don't know about Curtis) and in their adversarial relationship, his dad
refused to pay for the Baptist college he wanted to go to, and said state
college or get out of the house (or pay rent).
Meanwhile, our kids slowly grew into actual respect, honest good eye-contact
and real conversations with their grandparents.
Huh. <g>
Sandra
<< Maybe you could just remind her that any distress caused by any of your
alternative parenting choices is just 'punishment' for her having enjoyed sex
with your fil. <eg> >>
OOOH! OOOH!! GOOD ONE!
<<Or maybe they'll have other grandchildren and need less vicarious
gratification from your child/ren. >>
We thought we would have the first and only grandchildren. Keith's brother
had been married twelve years or more and no kids. Keith and I had been
together for six years and married for two before Kirby came, but just before that
the older brother had one. The middle brother never has.
So the older brother had two, about Kirby and Marty's ages.
It made it hard at first, because Travis and Curtis wore suits for their
photos, Travis and Curtis went to church every Sunday, Travis and Curtis had
report cards and sports stories. Travis and Curtis lived in a fancy house in
Hannahan, South Carolina. Travis and Curtis said "Yes Sir" and "Yes Ma'am."
You can all guess, I'm sure. <g>
Travis and Curtis ended up hating school, hating their parents, refusing to
visit their grandparents, being thrown off sports teams or forbidden by their
dad, so they hated him worse. Travis and Curtis are surly and sneaky (Travis
is, I don't know about Curtis) and in their adversarial relationship, his dad
refused to pay for the Baptist college he wanted to go to, and said state
college or get out of the house (or pay rent).
Meanwhile, our kids slowly grew into actual respect, honest good eye-contact
and real conversations with their grandparents.
Huh. <g>
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/28/03 7:53:29 AM, jnjstau@... writes:
<< I explained things to her, offered her some books. She never read
them, stating "whatever you guys are doing its working fine. The kids are
sharp as tacks." >>
VERY good!!
Wow.
(mutter mutter, took me twelve years, darn it...)
Sandra
<< I explained things to her, offered her some books. She never read
them, stating "whatever you guys are doing its working fine. The kids are
sharp as tacks." >>
VERY good!!
Wow.
(mutter mutter, took me twelve years, darn it...)
Sandra
Brandy
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
last week. He has a knack for cornering me on issues when DH is not
around. He never, ever brings these things up in his presence. It's
been ongoing for the past five years, with varying topics like
breastfeeding, co-sleeping, homebirthing and now has moved on to
homeschooling. One morning we were sitting in the kitchen and he hits
me with "So, are you EVER going to send the kids to school?" A thirty
minute discussion ensued with the typical argument of socialization
being the main issue. I wish I would have said it right off the bat,
but after being worn down I finally told him that I would be happy to
gather some things for him to read. He told me that there was no way
that he would read them and not to bother and that for every article
that I could come up with, he was sure that he could produce
something to the contrary. I let him know that I was done discussing
this if he wasn't interested in learning more about what helped us
come to this decision.
I guess my point was that I have heard of people using this tactic
before, and I am so thrilled that I finally remembered to use it. It
certainly ended the discussion and my feeling that I needed to defend
myself and I have confidence that in the future that when this comes
up, I have the choice to not discuss it :)
Brandy...also pretty new around here and getting lots of
inspiration :)
> And if you say "If you want to read this [specific stuff], we coulddiscuss
> it" puts the next move on them. If they don't want to read thatstuff, you
> don't have to discuss it.I *finally* used this one with my FIL when we were in Az. visiting
last week. He has a knack for cornering me on issues when DH is not
around. He never, ever brings these things up in his presence. It's
been ongoing for the past five years, with varying topics like
breastfeeding, co-sleeping, homebirthing and now has moved on to
homeschooling. One morning we were sitting in the kitchen and he hits
me with "So, are you EVER going to send the kids to school?" A thirty
minute discussion ensued with the typical argument of socialization
being the main issue. I wish I would have said it right off the bat,
but after being worn down I finally told him that I would be happy to
gather some things for him to read. He told me that there was no way
that he would read them and not to bother and that for every article
that I could come up with, he was sure that he could produce
something to the contrary. I let him know that I was done discussing
this if he wasn't interested in learning more about what helped us
come to this decision.
I guess my point was that I have heard of people using this tactic
before, and I am so thrilled that I finally remembered to use it. It
certainly ended the discussion and my feeling that I needed to defend
myself and I have confidence that in the future that when this comes
up, I have the choice to not discuss it :)
Brandy...also pretty new around here and getting lots of
inspiration :)
Flora
At 11:14 AM 10/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
care. Reword my previous comment to say "Does anyone have any suggestions
to broach the subject of homeschooling/unschooling with my combative mil
without being further ostracized, humiliated, or estranged from the family?"
Thank you all for your great suggestions. I have been doing the avoidance,
change the subject, walk out of the room - I have put up with her for 9
years now. I have never been accepted because I am so far from her point of
view, walk of life, etc. FIL is much nicer, has mellowed out over the
years, and really enjoys Liam. He is pretty reasonable, but will need some
reassurance. I think I will not bring up the idea of unschooling and just
stick to homeschooling...too much for them to take.
would be great.
Thanks again!
~Flora
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><< Flora, I have to say that your chances of staying in the will seem slim.I agree whole-heartedly! I have no idea if there will any money, nor do I
> >>
>
>Keith's parents have money. They spent a lot of it travelling after they
>retired, but they still have money. I was resigned to not getting any if
>they
>got pissed off
>If we're going to raise our children on the hope of being paid later for
>doing it someone else's way, our priorities are going to bite us in the ass.
care. Reword my previous comment to say "Does anyone have any suggestions
to broach the subject of homeschooling/unschooling with my combative mil
without being further ostracized, humiliated, or estranged from the family?"
Thank you all for your great suggestions. I have been doing the avoidance,
change the subject, walk out of the room - I have put up with her for 9
years now. I have never been accepted because I am so far from her point of
view, walk of life, etc. FIL is much nicer, has mellowed out over the
years, and really enjoys Liam. He is pretty reasonable, but will need some
reassurance. I think I will not bring up the idea of unschooling and just
stick to homeschooling...too much for them to take.
>Specific chapters of books?Any specific ones you can suggest? Statistics on success of homeschooling
>Magazine articles?
would be great.
Thanks again!
~Flora
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J. Stauffer
<<(mutter, mutter, took me 12 years, darn it)>>
Yeah, but this was MY mom not mil. My mom is the coolest. I'd still rather
hang out with her than with most other people.
Julie S.
Yeah, but this was MY mom not mil. My mom is the coolest. I'd still rather
hang out with her than with most other people.
Julie S.
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> In a message dated 10/28/03 7:53:29 AM, jnjstau@... writes:
>
> << I explained things to her, offered her some books. She never read
>
> them, stating "whatever you guys are doing its working fine. The kids are
>
> sharp as tacks." >>
>
> VERY good!!
> Wow.
>
> (mutter mutter, took me twelve years, darn it...)
>
> Sandra
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In a message dated 10/28/2003 9:50:17 PM Central Standard Time,
bdel99@... writes:
He has a knack for cornering me on issues when DH is not
around. He never, ever brings these things up in his presence.
Scaliwag.
I've been known to get up and go get dh while saying, "Let me get him in here
so you can ask *him*!"
Tuck
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bdel99@... writes:
He has a knack for cornering me on issues when DH is not
around. He never, ever brings these things up in his presence.
Scaliwag.
I've been known to get up and go get dh while saying, "Let me get him in here
so you can ask *him*!"
Tuck
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[email protected]
In a message dated 10/29/2003 4:33:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
I agree whole-heartedly! I have no idea if there will any money, nor do I
care. Reword my previous comment to say "Does anyone have any suggestions
to broach the subject of homeschooling/unschooling with my combative mil
without being further ostracized, humiliated, or estranged from the family?"
************************************************
Flora, I wasn't taking the will thing seriously...I knew you weren't. :)
Mostly, I think your mil is a lot like my ex-mil, and there probably isn't much
you can do. It has nothing to do with you... she's just a very unhappy,
negative person. I would avoid it until she starts asking about school, then tell her
the two of you have decided to homeschool. (If your husband is up with it,
make HIM be the passionate, unrestrained advocate for it. Then YOU can say the
stuff about "we'll do it as long as it seems to be working.")
If she still questions it, you could tell her the sex was REALLY good and you
figure you really deserve punishment. Otherwise you're going to end up with
dozens of kids. heehee
Kathryn
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[email protected] writes:
I agree whole-heartedly! I have no idea if there will any money, nor do I
care. Reword my previous comment to say "Does anyone have any suggestions
to broach the subject of homeschooling/unschooling with my combative mil
without being further ostracized, humiliated, or estranged from the family?"
************************************************
Flora, I wasn't taking the will thing seriously...I knew you weren't. :)
Mostly, I think your mil is a lot like my ex-mil, and there probably isn't much
you can do. It has nothing to do with you... she's just a very unhappy,
negative person. I would avoid it until she starts asking about school, then tell her
the two of you have decided to homeschool. (If your husband is up with it,
make HIM be the passionate, unrestrained advocate for it. Then YOU can say the
stuff about "we'll do it as long as it seems to be working.")
If she still questions it, you could tell her the sex was REALLY good and you
figure you really deserve punishment. Otherwise you're going to end up with
dozens of kids. heehee
Kathryn
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Betsy
**He told me that there was no way
that he would read them and not to bother and that for every article
that I could come up with, he was sure that he could produce
something to the contrary. I let him know that I was done discussing
this if he wasn't interested in learning more about what helped us
come to this decision. **
You could try telling him that most of "his" articles wouldn't be
objective as they are produced by the education industry.
Betsy
that he would read them and not to bother and that for every article
that I could come up with, he was sure that he could produce
something to the contrary. I let him know that I was done discussing
this if he wasn't interested in learning more about what helped us
come to this decision. **
You could try telling him that most of "his" articles wouldn't be
objective as they are produced by the education industry.
Betsy
Betsy
**Flora, I wasn't taking the will thing seriously...I knew you weren't.
:) Mostly, I think your mil is a lot like my ex-mil, and there probably
isn't much
you can do. It has nothing to do with you... she's just a very unhappy,
negative person. I would avoid it until she starts asking about school,
then tell her
the two of you have decided to homeschool.**
(I'm channelling some kind of fawning kiss-up again. For those who find
that revolting, please skip.)
If your mil brings up socialization you could talk about the importance
of having friends of all ages, instead of just age peers. And then (if
it's true) talk about what you think is valuable that your kids get out
of interacting with her and with grandpa. Play up the angle that the
kids would see her less if they are in school. (Even if she is a big
pain, surely she has at least one interesting interest to share with
them, or some good family stories to impart?)
I don't know if your mil is tolerable, but my mil is sweet. Although
many teachers are kind and sincerely interested in kids, on average I'd
value a relationship with a nearby grandparent over a relationship with
a teacher.
Your mileage may vary,
Betsy
:) Mostly, I think your mil is a lot like my ex-mil, and there probably
isn't much
you can do. It has nothing to do with you... she's just a very unhappy,
negative person. I would avoid it until she starts asking about school,
then tell her
the two of you have decided to homeschool.**
(I'm channelling some kind of fawning kiss-up again. For those who find
that revolting, please skip.)
If your mil brings up socialization you could talk about the importance
of having friends of all ages, instead of just age peers. And then (if
it's true) talk about what you think is valuable that your kids get out
of interacting with her and with grandpa. Play up the angle that the
kids would see her less if they are in school. (Even if she is a big
pain, surely she has at least one interesting interest to share with
them, or some good family stories to impart?)
I don't know if your mil is tolerable, but my mil is sweet. Although
many teachers are kind and sincerely interested in kids, on average I'd
value a relationship with a nearby grandparent over a relationship with
a teacher.
Your mileage may vary,
Betsy
Tia Leschke
>Also, when people bring up the socialization question, I ask them if they
>If your mil brings up socialization you could talk about the importance
>of having friends of all ages, instead of just age peers. And then (if
>it's true) talk about what you think is valuable that your kids get out
>of interacting with her and with grandpa. Play up the angle that the
>kids would see her less if they are in school. (Even if she is a big
>pain, surely she has at least one interesting interest to share with
>them, or some good family stories to impart?)
think the socialization that goes on in school is a healthy kind. Most
often they say no once they've thought about it. *Then* I talk about the
good kind, neighbours, relatives, shopkeepers, all ages, etc.
Tia
Nancy Wooton
on 10/29/03 9:14 AM, Betsy at ecsamhill@... wrote:
the dictionary definitions:
1. To place under government or group ownership or control.
2. To make fit for companionship with others; make sociable.
3. To convert or adapt to the needs of society.
(American Heritage)
What normal humans mean is "How will she find friends if they're all in
school and she's not?" The answer to that (be sure to clarify the
question), is park day, homeschool support groups, group classes for music,
theater, sports, horseback riding, dog training, whatever the child is
interested in. You could also point out that many schools no longer permit
recess, so kids have no time to "socialize" in the conventional sense.
Nancy
(remembering all the high school teachers who'd quiet a class with "People,
we're not here to socialize!")
> If your mil brings up socialization you could talk about the importanceYou could also bring up the fact that what schools mean by "socialize" are
> of having friends of all ages, instead of just age peers.
the dictionary definitions:
1. To place under government or group ownership or control.
2. To make fit for companionship with others; make sociable.
3. To convert or adapt to the needs of society.
(American Heritage)
What normal humans mean is "How will she find friends if they're all in
school and she's not?" The answer to that (be sure to clarify the
question), is park day, homeschool support groups, group classes for music,
theater, sports, horseback riding, dog training, whatever the child is
interested in. You could also point out that many schools no longer permit
recess, so kids have no time to "socialize" in the conventional sense.
Nancy
(remembering all the high school teachers who'd quiet a class with "People,
we're not here to socialize!")
Flora
>He has a knack for cornering me on issues when DH is notThat's a good idea - mil does same thing to me, and her husband doesn't get
>around. He never, ever brings these things up in his presence.
>
>
>Scaliwag.
>
>I've been known to get up and go get dh while saying, "Let me get him in here
>so you can ask *him*!"
>
>Tuck
why I am not much of a conversationalist with her. We will all be visiting,
and she will say something horrible, and I look around and notice no one
else is there - or she'll do it over the phone...awful - I feel sorry for
her sometimes - sometimes I think how terrible it must be to be carrying
that anger around all the time...still, I don't want to be the recipient of
it either...
~Flora
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Flora
>Mostly, I think your mil is a lot like my ex-mil, and there probably isn'tI recently talked about it with my hubby - as we talk more and more about
>much
>you can do. It has nothing to do with you... she's just a very unhappy,
>negative person. I would avoid it until she starts asking about school,
>then tell her
>the two of you have decided to homeschool. (If your husband is up with it,
>make HIM be the passionate, unrestrained advocate for it. Then YOU can say
>the
>stuff about "we'll do it as long as it seems to be working.")
homeschooling, he comes home with "So and So is a walking advertisement for
why people should homeschool - they are very unhappy...." etc. etc. I think
it will be noooo problem for him to advocate for it...I have a hard time
keeping my mouth shut, though
>If she still questions it, you could tell her the sex was REALLY good and youI just might - to see how far their jaws drop to the floor... :)
>figure you really deserve punishment. Otherwise you're going to end up with
>dozens of kids. heehee
>Kathryn
~Flora
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[email protected]
On 29 Oct 2003 at 10:38, Tia Leschke wrote:
was the last I've heard from her on that subject.
As it happened, we went to a Holloween party last night. Lyndsey (almost 3) spent a
good 15 min talking with one of the band members. She came back to our table bubbling
over about her new found friend who talked to her about holloween, playing in a band
and eating lots of candy. Then she happily played with a 1 yr old who was learning to
walk. All in all she was a social butterfly.
Lydia, mom to Lyndsey the energizer toddler
> Also, when people bring up the socialization question, I ask them ifI actually used this line of reason with my parents. My mom said "good point" and that
> they think the socialization that goes on in school is a healthy kind.
> Most often they say no once they've thought about it. *Then* I talk
> about the good kind, neighbours, relatives, shopkeepers, all ages,
> etc. Tia
was the last I've heard from her on that subject.
As it happened, we went to a Holloween party last night. Lyndsey (almost 3) spent a
good 15 min talking with one of the band members. She came back to our table bubbling
over about her new found friend who talked to her about holloween, playing in a band
and eating lots of candy. Then she happily played with a 1 yr old who was learning to
walk. All in all she was a social butterfly.
Lydia, mom to Lyndsey the energizer toddler
maria spears
greetings and salutations!
my name is maria, im a 25 yo mama of 2. a 5yo and a 3yo. i have decided in the last few months that keeping my kids home and continueing on with life as usual just makes sense for us. i am now looking into my state regulations on hsing, reading websites and books (teach your own, i was so sad that i didnt even know of this thoughtful amazing man until after he passed)and feeling around for other unschoolers in my area or online. i am recieving alot of critisisim, and lack of understanding from family... but i am a strong stubborn woman :) and i am SO EXCITED to read more and more about what just make sense to me.
anyhow, i look forward to reading your posts!
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anyhow, i look forward to reading your posts!
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[email protected]
Here are some links you might enjoy reading now that you're all fired up and
excited.
http://sandradodd.com/holt/teachyourown
http://sandradodd.com/holt/alifeworthliving
Deb Lewis is writing a review series "for radical unschoolers of the 21st
Century," and so check back--there will be more.
http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
http://sandradodd.com/joycefetteroll
And Rue Kream has just published a book that I think would be excellent for
you to read, too:
http://www.freechild.info/
Welcome to the list!
Sandra
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excited.
http://sandradodd.com/holt/teachyourown
http://sandradodd.com/holt/alifeworthliving
Deb Lewis is writing a review series "for radical unschoolers of the 21st
Century," and so check back--there will be more.
http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
http://sandradodd.com/joycefetteroll
And Rue Kream has just published a book that I think would be excellent for
you to read, too:
http://www.freechild.info/
Welcome to the list!
Sandra
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maria spears
thank you so much for the links! as soon as im done w teach your own, i may look onto freechild.im also looking into subscribing to a unschooling magazine...
i was wondering if anyone on this list is in the dayton oh area? i may have already asked that, im so forgetful!
ok, kiddo needs me, ill have to finish posting later! :)
SandraDodd@... wrote:
Here are some links you might enjoy reading now that you're all fired up and
excited.
http://sandradodd.com/holt/teachyourown
http://sandradodd.com/holt/alifeworthliving
Deb Lewis is writing a review series "for radical unschoolers of the 21st
Century," and so check back--there will be more.
http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
http://sandradodd.com/joycefetteroll
And Rue Kream has just published a book that I think would be excellent for
you to read, too:
http://www.freechild.info/
Welcome to the list!
Sandra
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i was wondering if anyone on this list is in the dayton oh area? i may have already asked that, im so forgetful!
ok, kiddo needs me, ill have to finish posting later! :)
SandraDodd@... wrote:
Here are some links you might enjoy reading now that you're all fired up and
excited.
http://sandradodd.com/holt/teachyourown
http://sandradodd.com/holt/alifeworthliving
Deb Lewis is writing a review series "for radical unschoolers of the 21st
Century," and so check back--there will be more.
http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
http://sandradodd.com/joycefetteroll
And Rue Kream has just published a book that I think would be excellent for
you to read, too:
http://www.freechild.info/
Welcome to the list!
Sandra
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