VBAC
Kerrin or Ralph Taylor
I missed most of this thread because of the subject line: "government papers". I just deleted them. Please try and remember to change it! It is a pertinent topic for me as I had three unnecessary cesareans, then 4 vaginal births, the last three at home.
Kerrin
Kerrin
----- Original Message -----
From: Kate Green
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Government papers
>
> Kirby had been a hospital long labor and 10 cm and pushing and cesarean.
> Marty was a homebirth long(er) labor and 10 cm and (more) pushing and same
> old cesarean.
>
> I wasn't interested in going for three of those.
>
>"Were you ever in twice in labor for 24 hours and got to 10 and didn't
have a
Been there, done that.... The first two I was in labor 24 and 30 hours and
ended up with c-sections. They suck because you are worn out and exhausted
before you have major surgery. The third though I had as a VBAC as I was
very determined that my body could work thru it despite the medical staff!
I did have an epidural and that was wonderful.
THe 4th though I ended up with a section again because my water broke and
24 hours later no contractions. The hospital here won't give you any
pitocin to bring on contractions if you've had a previous section so we had
no choice.
I healed wonderfully with the VBAC but ALSO with the last section. I
checked myself out of the hospital after 2 days and even gave a solstice
party for 15 people 5 days after he was born! I think having the section
with no drain of labor before it made a big difference.
As others have said the big thing is a healthy baby and healthy mom. I
believe part of the healthy mom aspect comes from making informed choices
about the delivery. If that has to include surgery and you have looked at
all the aspects surrounding it then so be it.
I just think it's frustrating when women opt to have surgery for
convenience or because they just don't have a clue.
Kate
>"
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> If someone's baby came out after two hours or eight hours or even 24 hours,
> they still had a vaginal birth and that's wonderfully lucky and I'm happy
for
> them.
>
> Sandra
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In a message dated 5/4/03 12:29:34 AM, kerrin@... writes:
<< I missed most of this thread because of the subject line: "government
papers". I just deleted them. Please try and remember to change it! It is a
pertinent topic for me as I had three unnecessary cesareans, then 4 vaginal
births, the last three at home. >>
It came straight out of discussing drivers' license requirements and birth
certificates. Evolving topics can't always be changed as they go, and often
a post will have more than one subject.
You can, though, go to the archives here and read anything you've missed or
deleted:
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As little traffic as this list has, and as cool as most of the posters are,
why delete any! At least peek.
Sandra
<< I missed most of this thread because of the subject line: "government
papers". I just deleted them. Please try and remember to change it! It is a
pertinent topic for me as I had three unnecessary cesareans, then 4 vaginal
births, the last three at home. >>
It came straight out of discussing drivers' license requirements and birth
certificates. Evolving topics can't always be changed as they go, and often
a post will have more than one subject.
You can, though, go to the archives here and read anything you've missed or
deleted:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysLearning
As little traffic as this list has, and as cool as most of the posters are,
why delete any! At least peek.
Sandra
Kate Green
At 06:28 PM 5/4/03 +1200, you wrote:
someone to go for that? I am hoping that with 2 sections, VBAC, 1 section,
I will still be able to find someone to do at least a trial of labor. But I
fear it's going to be difficult.
Kate
> "". I just deleted them. Please try and remember to change it! It is aWow so you had 3 sections and then a VBAC? How did you manage to get
>pertinent topic for me as I had three unnecessary cesareans, then 4 vaginal
>births, the last three at home.
>
> Kerrin
someone to go for that? I am hoping that with 2 sections, VBAC, 1 section,
I will still be able to find someone to do at least a trial of labor. But I
fear it's going to be difficult.
Kate
>same
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kate Green
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Government papers
>
>
> >
> > Kirby had been a hospital long labor and 10 cm and pushing and cesarean.
> > Marty was a homebirth long(er) labor and 10 cm and (more) pushing and
> > old cesarean.hours,
> >
> > I wasn't interested in going for three of those.
> >
> >"Were you ever in twice in labor for 24 hours and got to 10 and didn't
> have a
>
> Been there, done that.... The first two I was in labor 24 and 30 hours and
> ended up with c-sections. They suck because you are worn out and exhausted
> before you have major surgery. The third though I had as a VBAC as I was
> very determined that my body could work thru it despite the medical staff!
> I did have an epidural and that was wonderful.
> THe 4th though I ended up with a section again because my water broke and
> 24 hours later no contractions. The hospital here won't give you any
> pitocin to bring on contractions if you've had a previous section so we had
> no choice.
>
> I healed wonderfully with the VBAC but ALSO with the last section. I
> checked myself out of the hospital after 2 days and even gave a solstice
> party for 15 people 5 days after he was born! I think having the section
> with no drain of labor before it made a big difference.
>
> As others have said the big thing is a healthy baby and healthy mom. I
> believe part of the healthy mom aspect comes from making informed choices
> about the delivery. If that has to include surgery and you have looked at
> all the aspects surrounding it then so be it.
>
> I just think it's frustrating when women opt to have surgery for
> convenience or because they just don't have a clue.
>
> Kate
>
>
> >"
> >
> >""
> >
> >""
> >
> > If someone's baby came out after two hours or eight hours or even 24
> > they still had a vaginal birth and that's wonderfully lucky and I'm happy
> for
> > them.
> >
> > Sandra
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Kelli Traaseth
Kate,
Don't you think that since you had one successful VBAC, they'll let you
attempt another?
My first was a tramatic vaginal delivery with a 10 pounder, second--
cesarean with a breach and third--VBAC. With my third, I told them what I
wanted to do and they did it. I think if a practiitoner or midwife isn't
OK with doing what you want, find another. If I learned anything during
my pregnancies, it was to take charge and tell them what I wanted. Also
to listen to my body.
With Alec, my first, I went into labor at 36 weeks, the doctor stopped
the labor/with drugs. Then guess what? I didn't go into labor and he was
huge! I think he was ready to come out at 36 weeks. Later on I was
visiting with my Mom and we figured out that we ovulate early and conceive
early in our cycle, so that baby was there longer than the doctor thought.
I kept telling the doctor, I think this baby must be 2 feet long, oh no,
he says, it just seems that way! HA! Alec was 23 1/2 inches long. :-P
(Is that how you do a raspberry?)
Did I say I learned to listen to my body? <g>
Kelli
Don't you think that since you had one successful VBAC, they'll let you
attempt another?
My first was a tramatic vaginal delivery with a 10 pounder, second--
cesarean with a breach and third--VBAC. With my third, I told them what I
wanted to do and they did it. I think if a practiitoner or midwife isn't
OK with doing what you want, find another. If I learned anything during
my pregnancies, it was to take charge and tell them what I wanted. Also
to listen to my body.
With Alec, my first, I went into labor at 36 weeks, the doctor stopped
the labor/with drugs. Then guess what? I didn't go into labor and he was
huge! I think he was ready to come out at 36 weeks. Later on I was
visiting with my Mom and we figured out that we ovulate early and conceive
early in our cycle, so that baby was there longer than the doctor thought.
I kept telling the doctor, I think this baby must be 2 feet long, oh no,
he says, it just seems that way! HA! Alec was 23 1/2 inches long. :-P
(Is that how you do a raspberry?)
Did I say I learned to listen to my body? <g>
Kelli
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kate Green" <karegree@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] VBAC
> At 06:28 PM 5/4/03 +1200, you wrote:
> > "". I just deleted them. Please try and remember to change it! It is a
> >pertinent topic for me as I had three unnecessary cesareans, then 4
vaginal
> >births, the last three at home.
> >
> > Kerrin
>
> Wow so you had 3 sections and then a VBAC? How did you manage to get
> someone to go for that? I am hoping that with 2 sections, VBAC, 1 section,
> I will still be able to find someone to do at least a trial of labor. But
I
> fear it's going to be difficult.
>
> Kate
>
Kate Green
>Kate,Well of course there are always ways around this and yes I would push to
>
>Don't you think that since you had one successful VBAC, they'll let you
>attempt another?
try. It's just so tiring to always have to argue with the medical system
and to be on the "outside" that it would be nice every now and then to have
them immediately agree to what we want:)
Much of course depends on what country or state we are in when/if the next
one happens.
And you are right about shopping around. But sometimes there is an
insurance issue -- if everyone your coverage includes is problematic then
it creates problems.
That's great that pregnancies empowered you so much to listen to your body.
Kate
>
>My first was a tramatic vaginal delivery with a 10 pounder, second--
>cesarean with a breach and third--VBAC. With my third, I told them what I
>wanted to do and they did it. I think if a practiitoner or midwife isn't
>OK with doing what you want, find another. If I learned anything during
>my pregnancies, it was to take charge and tell them what I wanted. Also
>to listen to my body.
>
nellebelle
----- snip----- It's just so tiring to always have to argue with the medical system
and to be on the "outside" that it would be nice every now and then to have
them immediately agree to what we want:)>>>>>
I had to sign a statement that I was willing to risk mine and my child's death by NOT having a hep lock in place during my VBAC. But I had done my research and knew what the risks really were and what they could do if there were an emergency.
They did not tell me that hep locks sometimes fail, so a hep lock is no safety guarantee either.
I would have liked a home birth, but for a number of reasons chose to go to the hospital. I did hire a doula, who had practiced as a midwife in another state, but wasn't licensed in my state. I met her before I was even pregnant with number 2, so we had built a nice relationship by the time baby was due. She came to my home when labor begin and went with us to the hospital too. I waited as long as I could to go to the hospital, so they didn't have quite as much opportunity to interfere once I got there.
That is the thing about a hospital birth though - they want to do it their way. (Like insisting that I have the baby on the bed rather than on the toilet <g>) Maybe they assume that most parents aren't well enough informed to make the right decisions? Maybe they are right? The hospital sponsored birth prep classes that most people take are not enough to really inform you.
The c-sec doc said it was cephalopelvic disproportion. I believed it, because her head was 90th percentile and perfectly round. It was only later that I realized that her head was like that because it did not go through the birth canal. The midwife I had for the second one said the doc should have called it "failure to progress". Which it was - failure to progress in the time frame the doctor wanted.
Although I had a lot of anger at the doctor and the system, I've had to accept my responsibility in not being informed enough, from a variety of sources, on childbirth.
Mary Ellen
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and to be on the "outside" that it would be nice every now and then to have
them immediately agree to what we want:)>>>>>
I had to sign a statement that I was willing to risk mine and my child's death by NOT having a hep lock in place during my VBAC. But I had done my research and knew what the risks really were and what they could do if there were an emergency.
They did not tell me that hep locks sometimes fail, so a hep lock is no safety guarantee either.
I would have liked a home birth, but for a number of reasons chose to go to the hospital. I did hire a doula, who had practiced as a midwife in another state, but wasn't licensed in my state. I met her before I was even pregnant with number 2, so we had built a nice relationship by the time baby was due. She came to my home when labor begin and went with us to the hospital too. I waited as long as I could to go to the hospital, so they didn't have quite as much opportunity to interfere once I got there.
That is the thing about a hospital birth though - they want to do it their way. (Like insisting that I have the baby on the bed rather than on the toilet <g>) Maybe they assume that most parents aren't well enough informed to make the right decisions? Maybe they are right? The hospital sponsored birth prep classes that most people take are not enough to really inform you.
The c-sec doc said it was cephalopelvic disproportion. I believed it, because her head was 90th percentile and perfectly round. It was only later that I realized that her head was like that because it did not go through the birth canal. The midwife I had for the second one said the doc should have called it "failure to progress". Which it was - failure to progress in the time frame the doctor wanted.
Although I had a lot of anger at the doctor and the system, I've had to accept my responsibility in not being informed enough, from a variety of sources, on childbirth.
Mary Ellen
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Stephanie Elms
Count me in on the csec and vbac. With Jason my water broke, no immediate contractions,
put on pit, dilated to 10, pushed for 2 hrs, they tried forceps, had csec. Jason was
9 lbs with a 15 inch head. With Kyle I ended up switching to a midwife (cnm) and
getting a doula at 35 weeks when it became apparent that my obs were not going to let
me have a say in what I wanted to do. I labored at home until 7 cms and had an unmedicated
hospital birth. I did get drugs to deliver the placenta when it did not come out and they
had to manually remove it (felt like going back into labor again). Kyle was only 7lbs
12 oz with a 13.5 inch head (so who says 2nd babies are bigger!). Luckily my labor progressed
pretty much textbook with Kyle, no complications which made it doable. I always feel bad
for folks who do everything "right" trying for a vbac only to have something beyond their
control lead them to another csection.
All in all my csec was a good one...recovery went well, Jason was healthy. I was pretty beat
up after they delivered the placenta with Kyle and was surprised to not bounce back as quick as
I had expected. But it was nice not to have to recover from a csec while taking care of a
newborn and a 3 yo.
Stephanie E.
put on pit, dilated to 10, pushed for 2 hrs, they tried forceps, had csec. Jason was
9 lbs with a 15 inch head. With Kyle I ended up switching to a midwife (cnm) and
getting a doula at 35 weeks when it became apparent that my obs were not going to let
me have a say in what I wanted to do. I labored at home until 7 cms and had an unmedicated
hospital birth. I did get drugs to deliver the placenta when it did not come out and they
had to manually remove it (felt like going back into labor again). Kyle was only 7lbs
12 oz with a 13.5 inch head (so who says 2nd babies are bigger!). Luckily my labor progressed
pretty much textbook with Kyle, no complications which made it doable. I always feel bad
for folks who do everything "right" trying for a vbac only to have something beyond their
control lead them to another csection.
All in all my csec was a good one...recovery went well, Jason was healthy. I was pretty beat
up after they delivered the placenta with Kyle and was surprised to not bounce back as quick as
I had expected. But it was nice not to have to recover from a csec while taking care of a
newborn and a 3 yo.
Stephanie E.
Stephanie Elms
> That is the thing about a hospital birth though - they wantI laugh about my friend. Her first was a normal hospital vaginal birth with an epi.
> to do it their way. (Like insisting that I have the baby on
> the bed rather than on the toilet <g>)
Her second was a natural birth by default (she has quick labors and almost gave birth
in the elevator of the hospital). For her 3rd, she figured that she might as well do
it at home with a lay midwife (a water birth). Then she decided to be a surrogate and
obviously there are few parents who would want to "risk" a homebirth. Plus she got
pregnant with twins so she researched and found an *absolutely* fantastic ob who was
very hands off and willing (and experienced) with delivering breech babies. She had
her lay midwife as a doula (with the blessing of her ob). The hospital had a labor tub
but the "rule" was that you could not deliver in one. So my friend and her doula
just kind of planned an "oops" waterbirth. She said that the nurses just about had a fit
when she refused to get out but her ob was perfectly fine. Unfortunately the 2nd baby
got stuck, they tried a manual version and then were going to try an internal version
but she started hemorrhaging so she had a csection (but for a good reason and after
trying many things). Turns out baby #2 had gotten 1 hand AND 1 foot down into the birth
canal, silly little thing! Before my friend left the hospital she talked with her ob
who said there would be no problem with her going for a vbac next time. :o) She plans
to be pregnant for a different couple in the next couple of months.
I just find it so funny that she has had just about every type of birth possible. But her
body was meant to birth babies...she has hardly any difficulty during pregnancy and has
these really short labors (I was talking with her at 7pm and she said that she thought that
she might be in labor with her 3rd but I could not tell by listening to her. She called and
left a message that Aster was born at 11!).
Stephanie E.
Kerrin or Ralph Taylor
I was simply determined. While I was pregnant with Rubin (no.4)I read the book "Silent Knife" about vbacs and the horrendous number of unnecessary cesareans. I found it in the LLL library. I also got a lot of the support I needed from La Leche League.
I realized that all 3 of my cesareans had been totally unnecessary. (1. breech, c-sec 38 weeks, no labour. 2. lack of progress to suit hospitals' schedule. 3. 38 weeks again cos of previous c-secs.) I got hold of all my medical records and had my midwife and doctor read them. They both agreed.
I went through a process of huge grief (lots of crying) and huge anger. Then I accepted things as they were and got positive.
My doctor said he wouldn't support me. I found another doctor and a midwife who would. I was referred to an ob for a check as I was classified high risk. He was fine about it too and even asked me if I was having my baby at home.
I wrote this enormous birth plan listing all the things I did and didn't want. It makes me laugh to think about it now, half the things I was avoiding weren't even being practised here at the time <bg> We also had to sign a form taking responsibility for any disaster.
I laboured at home and went into hospital for the birth. It was fabulous. I was upright and did everything the way I wanted. there were no problems at all.
After that there seemed no reason to have anything to do with the medical world at all so we just had a wonderful midwife, great friends and family at our 3 home births. They were very quick and easy. The last 2 were water births which was truly amazing. Our midwife only just arrived in time to see those 2 emerging and the last one, Murphy, was totally unassisted. Just Murphy and me and the water....makes me all warm and fuzzy to remember it......It was the final healing for me.
Kerrin.
I will still be able to find someone to do at least a trial of labor. But I
fear it's going to be difficult.
Kate
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I realized that all 3 of my cesareans had been totally unnecessary. (1. breech, c-sec 38 weeks, no labour. 2. lack of progress to suit hospitals' schedule. 3. 38 weeks again cos of previous c-secs.) I got hold of all my medical records and had my midwife and doctor read them. They both agreed.
I went through a process of huge grief (lots of crying) and huge anger. Then I accepted things as they were and got positive.
My doctor said he wouldn't support me. I found another doctor and a midwife who would. I was referred to an ob for a check as I was classified high risk. He was fine about it too and even asked me if I was having my baby at home.
I wrote this enormous birth plan listing all the things I did and didn't want. It makes me laugh to think about it now, half the things I was avoiding weren't even being practised here at the time <bg> We also had to sign a form taking responsibility for any disaster.
I laboured at home and went into hospital for the birth. It was fabulous. I was upright and did everything the way I wanted. there were no problems at all.
After that there seemed no reason to have anything to do with the medical world at all so we just had a wonderful midwife, great friends and family at our 3 home births. They were very quick and easy. The last 2 were water births which was truly amazing. Our midwife only just arrived in time to see those 2 emerging and the last one, Murphy, was totally unassisted. Just Murphy and me and the water....makes me all warm and fuzzy to remember it......It was the final healing for me.
Kerrin.
>>someone to go for that? I am hoping that with 2 sections, VBAC, 1 section,
>Wow so you had 3 sections and then a VBAC? How did you manage to get
I will still be able to find someone to do at least a trial of labor. But I
fear it's going to be difficult.
Kate
>same
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kate Green
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Government papers
>
>
> >
> > Kirby had been a hospital long labor and 10 cm and pushing and cesarean.
> > Marty was a homebirth long(er) labor and 10 cm and (more) pushing and
> > old cesarean.hours,
> >
> > I wasn't interested in going for three of those.
> >
> >"Were you ever in twice in labor for 24 hours and got to 10 and didn't
> have a
>
> Been there, done that.... The first two I was in labor 24 and 30 hours and
> ended up with c-sections. They suck because you are worn out and exhausted
> before you have major surgery. The third though I had as a VBAC as I was
> very determined that my body could work thru it despite the medical staff!
> I did have an epidural and that was wonderful.
> THe 4th though I ended up with a section again because my water broke and
> 24 hours later no contractions. The hospital here won't give you any
> pitocin to bring on contractions if you've had a previous section so we had
> no choice.
>
> I healed wonderfully with the VBAC but ALSO with the last section. I
> checked myself out of the hospital after 2 days and even gave a solstice
> party for 15 people 5 days after he was born! I think having the section
> with no drain of labor before it made a big difference.
>
> As others have said the big thing is a healthy baby and healthy mom. I
> believe part of the healthy mom aspect comes from making informed choices
> about the delivery. If that has to include surgery and you have looked at
> all the aspects surrounding it then so be it.
>
> I just think it's frustrating when women opt to have surgery for
> convenience or because they just don't have a clue.
>
> Kate
>
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Joylyn
I've read this thread with interest. I would love to have a natural
birth. If I am every pregnant again (doubtful, with all the yucky
problems I am having, but maybe) I will again work hard at having a
vbac. However, if I have a live healthy baby, I will be happy.
Lexie's birth was a medical rollercoaster. If I knew then what I know
now I could have and would have prevented it. Or at least, if I had not
prevented the high blood pressure, I would have known my bishop score
was 0 and I would have just had a section instead of laboring for 3
days, getting a horrid infection after they broke my water, and almost
dying from the infection. Lexie was pretty sick too, and her heart rate
in utero went way high and then way low. I've never seen such a fast
section turn around and it certainly saved our lives, but I am wondering
if different choices had been made (a high protien diet, for instance)
if I coul dhave avoided much of it.
Janene was a different story. Her section was truly medically
necessary. She was sideways, with tummy down and cord hanging above my
opening cervix. We thought she was 37 weeks, later we found out she was
34 or maybe 35 weeks. They tried a version but no go, she turned back.
So I fought with them to wait the weekend and come in on Monday after
my parents could arrive from NM. I went in Monday and they tried to do
an amnio to test her lungs--the placenta had shut down. I had GD and
this is not uncommon. After trying to get the placenta to create more
amniotic fluid, they finally, after a very long day, sectioned her.
They said the placentia had definately shut down. She would have died
in the next day or so if I hadn't of been in the hospital. I really
feel, in my heart that her life was saved, although I recognize I might
feel this way, need to feel this way, to justfiy another csection.
At the same time I was going through Janene's birth another friend was
choosing a different route. Her water burst and she didn't go into
labor and didn't get induced for a long time, like 7 weeks. It was a
horrible story, she was an email friend and I wanted to tell her that I
didn't agree with her decisions but so many others were just supporting
her and her desire to have a vbac so I just stayed quiet. She had a
horrible first birth with her first child, which ended up in a totally
unnecessary section. Anyway, after that long time, she finally develped
and infection and her baby died and then wouldn't be born and she ended
up with a section and a dead baby and a lot of guilt and 2nd guessing
herself (I'm guessing). Her marriage almost or did break up, and her
life was forever changed.
As bad as a c section is, give me one of them again, I can heal, I've
had two and I can deal with it. Sure, I'd love, absolutely love a
natural birth. I often grieve strongly over my lack of that experience.
But the birth process only lasts hours, maybe a day or two. My friend
will forever grieve for her lost child, and I--I get to see mine grow
up, and maybe I can be involved in the natural birth of my grandchild.
I wont' say that after 10 weeks or 6 months you get past the section,
you heal. I dont' believe this. I still have scar tissue pain. But
despite this, I will say, I can heal from a section. So yes, give me a
section, and a live baby, please.
Joylyn
Kerrin or Ralph Taylor wrote:
birth. If I am every pregnant again (doubtful, with all the yucky
problems I am having, but maybe) I will again work hard at having a
vbac. However, if I have a live healthy baby, I will be happy.
Lexie's birth was a medical rollercoaster. If I knew then what I know
now I could have and would have prevented it. Or at least, if I had not
prevented the high blood pressure, I would have known my bishop score
was 0 and I would have just had a section instead of laboring for 3
days, getting a horrid infection after they broke my water, and almost
dying from the infection. Lexie was pretty sick too, and her heart rate
in utero went way high and then way low. I've never seen such a fast
section turn around and it certainly saved our lives, but I am wondering
if different choices had been made (a high protien diet, for instance)
if I coul dhave avoided much of it.
Janene was a different story. Her section was truly medically
necessary. She was sideways, with tummy down and cord hanging above my
opening cervix. We thought she was 37 weeks, later we found out she was
34 or maybe 35 weeks. They tried a version but no go, she turned back.
So I fought with them to wait the weekend and come in on Monday after
my parents could arrive from NM. I went in Monday and they tried to do
an amnio to test her lungs--the placenta had shut down. I had GD and
this is not uncommon. After trying to get the placenta to create more
amniotic fluid, they finally, after a very long day, sectioned her.
They said the placentia had definately shut down. She would have died
in the next day or so if I hadn't of been in the hospital. I really
feel, in my heart that her life was saved, although I recognize I might
feel this way, need to feel this way, to justfiy another csection.
At the same time I was going through Janene's birth another friend was
choosing a different route. Her water burst and she didn't go into
labor and didn't get induced for a long time, like 7 weeks. It was a
horrible story, she was an email friend and I wanted to tell her that I
didn't agree with her decisions but so many others were just supporting
her and her desire to have a vbac so I just stayed quiet. She had a
horrible first birth with her first child, which ended up in a totally
unnecessary section. Anyway, after that long time, she finally develped
and infection and her baby died and then wouldn't be born and she ended
up with a section and a dead baby and a lot of guilt and 2nd guessing
herself (I'm guessing). Her marriage almost or did break up, and her
life was forever changed.
As bad as a c section is, give me one of them again, I can heal, I've
had two and I can deal with it. Sure, I'd love, absolutely love a
natural birth. I often grieve strongly over my lack of that experience.
But the birth process only lasts hours, maybe a day or two. My friend
will forever grieve for her lost child, and I--I get to see mine grow
up, and maybe I can be involved in the natural birth of my grandchild.
I wont' say that after 10 weeks or 6 months you get past the section,
you heal. I dont' believe this. I still have scar tissue pain. But
despite this, I will say, I can heal from a section. So yes, give me a
section, and a live baby, please.
Joylyn
Kerrin or Ralph Taylor wrote:
> I was simply determined. While I was pregnant with Rubin (no.4)I read[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> the book "Silent Knife" about vbacs and the horrendous number of
> unnecessary cesareans. I found it in the LLL library. I also got a lot
> of the support I needed from La Leche League.
>
> I realized that all 3 of my cesareans had been totally unnecessary.
> (1. breech, c-sec 38 weeks, no labour. 2. lack of progress to suit
> hospitals' schedule. 3. 38 weeks again cos of previous c-secs.) I got
> hold of all my medical records and had my midwife and doctor read
> them. They both agreed.
>
> I went through a process of huge grief (lots of crying) and huge
> anger. Then I accepted things as they were and got positive.
>
> My doctor said he wouldn't support me. I found another doctor and a
> midwife who would. I was referred to an ob for a check as I was
> classified high risk. He was fine about it too and even asked me if I
> was having my baby at home.
>
> I wrote this enormous birth plan listing all the things I did and
> didn't want. It makes me laugh to think about it now, half the things
> I was avoiding weren't even being practised here at the time <bg> We
> also had to sign a form taking responsibility for any disaster.
>
> I laboured at home and went into hospital for the birth. It was
> fabulous. I was upright and did everything the way I wanted. there
> were no problems at all.
>
> After that there seemed no reason to have anything to do with the
> medical world at all so we just had a wonderful midwife, great friends
> and family at our 3 home births. They were very quick and easy. The
> last 2 were water births which was truly amazing. Our midwife only
> just arrived in time to see those 2 emerging and the last one, Murphy,
> was totally unassisted. Just Murphy and me and the water....makes me
> all warm and fuzzy to remember it......It was the final healing for me.
>
> Kerrin.
>
>
> >>
> >Wow so you had 3 sections and then a VBAC? How did you manage to get
> someone to go for that? I am hoping that with 2 sections, VBAC, 1
> section,
> I will still be able to find someone to do at least a trial of
> labor. But I
> fear it's going to be difficult.
>
> Kate
>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kate Green
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Government papers
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Kirby had been a hospital long labor and 10 cm and pushing and
> cesarean.
> > > Marty was a homebirth long(er) labor and 10 cm and (more)
> pushing and
> same
> > > old cesarean.
> > >
> > > I wasn't interested in going for three of those.
> > >
> > >"Were you ever in twice in labor for 24 hours and got to 10 and
> didn't
> > have a
> >
> > Been there, done that.... The first two I was in labor 24 and 30
> hours and
> > ended up with c-sections. They suck because you are worn out and
> exhausted
> > before you have major surgery. The third though I had as a VBAC
> as I was
> > very determined that my body could work thru it despite the
> medical staff!
> > I did have an epidural and that was wonderful.
> > THe 4th though I ended up with a section again because my water
> broke and
> > 24 hours later no contractions. The hospital here won't give you any
> > pitocin to bring on contractions if you've had a previous section
> so we had
> > no choice.
> >
> > I healed wonderfully with the VBAC but ALSO with the last section. I
> > checked myself out of the hospital after 2 days and even gave a
> solstice
> > party for 15 people 5 days after he was born! I think having the
> section
> > with no drain of labor before it made a big difference.
> >
> > As others have said the big thing is a healthy baby and healthy
> mom. I
> > believe part of the healthy mom aspect comes from making informed
> choices
> > about the delivery. If that has to include surgery and you have
> looked at
> > all the aspects surrounding it then so be it.
> >
> > I just think it's frustrating when women opt to have surgery for
> > convenience or because they just don't have a clue.
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
> > >"
> > >
> > >""
> > >
> > >""
> > >
> > > If someone's baby came out after two hours or eight hours or even 24
> hours,
> > > they still had a vaginal birth and that's wonderfully lucky and
> I'm happy
> > for
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Sandra
> > >
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