Thank you all
princessdee20012001
I just wanted to take a minute to say thank you all. in the last few
days I have recived many post and e-mails from many of you with
words of encourgement and many of you have reduced me to tears.I
feel like the battle is not un-winnable now.
i spent about a hour (ok maybe more) talking today to one parent I
know home schools. and dont seem to be doing it the same as others i
have know. she told me hey i brought all the fancy books tryed to
do it lil a mini school and gee it didnt work when they did it what
makes me think it would work at home.(she only checks out the
cirrculim books and adapets them for paper work and the child seldom
uses them unless she desires to) no she had never herd of un
schooling but was quick to point out we live real close to the
ommish commuinty. and told me some of the pit falls trying to home
school in jhonson co. Iowa. The Omish school in kolona, Iowa
(Wasinton Co.) will let you use them as the teacher to over look(as
in ok u come to a few of our homeschool outing with group and we
see her with you) as long as they see the kid a few times a year and
do it at no cost and will let you take them on there outings and
teach how to make a day at the park credited. and how to write it
up for the system. and she told me look I only been doing this a
school year but I think like you if the school is only offering her
ridacule no help and begging you to put her on drugs maybe you need
to fight the system. she still has 2 in school and one in my
daughters class and said you need to get her out!!! Fire the
counsler and the school!(gee think i felt that and have herd it from
so many here) and then she rembered she was addopted and said i
need to find out about Iowa law is she mine or is she going to be
under what they want?
I think it like any adoption. and should be ok.
I got a phone call from princable today with lisa and girls making
her cry ext. and oh by the way she is behind in such and such. I
shocked him told him look I will give Lisa the opertuinty if she
wants to go back to school and finish this year out. If not I will
come get the papers in am. and as for her failing I belive it is you
that have failed her, He asked do I intened to open enroll her or
dual inroll her I told him I will make that dession after I talked to
my daughter. He told me i needed to talk to superintendent when i
come get the papers.
When my daughter came home we had a long dission on it and the spring
music consert is tommorow and she wants to finish out the year it
is ony a lil over 2 weeks. then she wants to not go back . we
talked about how it is the school failing and not her and that she
would be spending her time with mom and not at a desk. and can she
learn more about cooking and can she do a experment on what helps
plants grow in the yard and can she read whet she wants and oh mom
can we go to cedar rapids some time and do the sience musem, and mom
can I still babysit? and can we not quit school at least till after
my birthday (have a free certific for a limo to pick her and her
friends up for her birthday party)
a few days on this list have lifted so much from my heart and made
me feel like yes I can do this and all it will take is the willness
to unlearn for me and the love her and I have.
I have a feeling i will need you all more in the times coming and yes
i promise to get book mentioned on frount of this group page as soon
as I can budget it.
I also want to say thank you from my lil Lisa as she thanked me!
and she feels like this is the answer she had a few questions on
how to and what if but I assured her it will work and we will be
fine and she can still be anything she wants to be in life.
so as a huge weight has been lifted from me I thank you and as I
have my doubts and battles I hope this list will still be here. when
I started posting here someone hinted this may not be be a good
begaining place for me it is the best beginning one can hope for.
next is all the legal stuff and so forth I am sure.
I belive we are on our way to healing and to life and again I thank
you for your guidence and your guidence and support in the future.
Dee
days I have recived many post and e-mails from many of you with
words of encourgement and many of you have reduced me to tears.I
feel like the battle is not un-winnable now.
i spent about a hour (ok maybe more) talking today to one parent I
know home schools. and dont seem to be doing it the same as others i
have know. she told me hey i brought all the fancy books tryed to
do it lil a mini school and gee it didnt work when they did it what
makes me think it would work at home.(she only checks out the
cirrculim books and adapets them for paper work and the child seldom
uses them unless she desires to) no she had never herd of un
schooling but was quick to point out we live real close to the
ommish commuinty. and told me some of the pit falls trying to home
school in jhonson co. Iowa. The Omish school in kolona, Iowa
(Wasinton Co.) will let you use them as the teacher to over look(as
in ok u come to a few of our homeschool outing with group and we
see her with you) as long as they see the kid a few times a year and
do it at no cost and will let you take them on there outings and
teach how to make a day at the park credited. and how to write it
up for the system. and she told me look I only been doing this a
school year but I think like you if the school is only offering her
ridacule no help and begging you to put her on drugs maybe you need
to fight the system. she still has 2 in school and one in my
daughters class and said you need to get her out!!! Fire the
counsler and the school!(gee think i felt that and have herd it from
so many here) and then she rembered she was addopted and said i
need to find out about Iowa law is she mine or is she going to be
under what they want?
I think it like any adoption. and should be ok.
I got a phone call from princable today with lisa and girls making
her cry ext. and oh by the way she is behind in such and such. I
shocked him told him look I will give Lisa the opertuinty if she
wants to go back to school and finish this year out. If not I will
come get the papers in am. and as for her failing I belive it is you
that have failed her, He asked do I intened to open enroll her or
dual inroll her I told him I will make that dession after I talked to
my daughter. He told me i needed to talk to superintendent when i
come get the papers.
When my daughter came home we had a long dission on it and the spring
music consert is tommorow and she wants to finish out the year it
is ony a lil over 2 weeks. then she wants to not go back . we
talked about how it is the school failing and not her and that she
would be spending her time with mom and not at a desk. and can she
learn more about cooking and can she do a experment on what helps
plants grow in the yard and can she read whet she wants and oh mom
can we go to cedar rapids some time and do the sience musem, and mom
can I still babysit? and can we not quit school at least till after
my birthday (have a free certific for a limo to pick her and her
friends up for her birthday party)
a few days on this list have lifted so much from my heart and made
me feel like yes I can do this and all it will take is the willness
to unlearn for me and the love her and I have.
I have a feeling i will need you all more in the times coming and yes
i promise to get book mentioned on frount of this group page as soon
as I can budget it.
I also want to say thank you from my lil Lisa as she thanked me!
and she feels like this is the answer she had a few questions on
how to and what if but I assured her it will work and we will be
fine and she can still be anything she wants to be in life.
so as a huge weight has been lifted from me I thank you and as I
have my doubts and battles I hope this list will still be here. when
I started posting here someone hinted this may not be be a good
begaining place for me it is the best beginning one can hope for.
next is all the legal stuff and so forth I am sure.
I belive we are on our way to healing and to life and again I thank
you for your guidence and your guidence and support in the future.
Dee
Betsy
**i promise to get book mentioned on frount of this group page as soon
as I can budget it.**
I want to recommend something that has more unschooling information than
any book, that is the message boards on unschooling.com
http://www.unschooling.com
There are whole sections about Getting Started Unschooling and about
Unschooling with Special Needs.
There's probably more information there than you can read in a month,
unless you read fast, and it's all free and immediately available.
Betsy
as I can budget it.**
I want to recommend something that has more unschooling information than
any book, that is the message boards on unschooling.com
http://www.unschooling.com
There are whole sections about Getting Started Unschooling and about
Unschooling with Special Needs.
There's probably more information there than you can read in a month,
unless you read fast, and it's all free and immediately available.
Betsy
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/24/03 4:58:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I think it like any adoption. and should be ok. >>
As far as the law is concerned, once that child is adopted, they are equal to
a birth child.
The birth certificate is even changed to reflect you as the mother.
The law respects you as equal to a birth mother now. You have rights.
Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear
[email protected] writes:
<< I think it like any adoption. and should be ok. >>
As far as the law is concerned, once that child is adopted, they are equal to
a birth child.
The birth certificate is even changed to reflect you as the mother.
The law respects you as equal to a birth mother now. You have rights.
Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/24/03 12:06:56 PM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< As far as the law is concerned, once that child is adopted, they are equal
to
a birth child.
The birth certificate is even changed to reflect you as the mother. >>
Somehow I missed this, a week ago (nearly).
That would be falsification of documents. Jesus. I don't doubt some state
is doing it, but I doubt all states are doing it.
Sandra
<< As far as the law is concerned, once that child is adopted, they are equal
to
a birth child.
The birth certificate is even changed to reflect you as the mother. >>
Somehow I missed this, a week ago (nearly).
That would be falsification of documents. Jesus. I don't doubt some state
is doing it, but I doubt all states are doing it.
Sandra
Nancy Wooton
on 4/29/03 9:53 AM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
I was adopted, with my signed consent because I was 12, by my step-dad.
The state (California) issued a new birth certificate with his name and
address on it. I don't know if the original remains in the records or not.
Nancy
> << As far as the law is concerned, once that child is adopted, they are equalI missed the original discussion, but wanted to comment anyway <g>
> to
> a birth child.
> The birth certificate is even changed to reflect you as the mother. >>
>
> Somehow I missed this, a week ago (nearly).
>
> That would be falsification of documents. Jesus. I don't doubt some state
> is doing it, but I doubt all states are doing it.
I was adopted, with my signed consent because I was 12, by my step-dad.
The state (California) issued a new birth certificate with his name and
address on it. I don't know if the original remains in the records or not.
Nancy
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/29/03 11:44:18 AM, ikonstitcher@... writes:
<< I was adopted, with my signed consent because I was 12, by my step-dad.
The state (California) issued a new birth certificate with his name and
address on it. I don't know if the original remains in the records or not.
wouldn't even prove where you were born, would it? So if I adopt a kid from
out of the country would I, in certain states, be issued a government
certificate saying he was born from me?
Suddenly birth certificates seem so useless. Yet that's what they base all
kinds of legality on from nationality (pretty important sometimes) to
driving, passports, retirement and social security.
Very odd.
Sandra
<< I was adopted, with my signed consent because I was 12, by my step-dad.
The state (California) issued a new birth certificate with his name and
address on it. I don't know if the original remains in the records or not.
>>So if the state can re-issue birth certificates, then a birth certificate
wouldn't even prove where you were born, would it? So if I adopt a kid from
out of the country would I, in certain states, be issued a government
certificate saying he was born from me?
Suddenly birth certificates seem so useless. Yet that's what they base all
kinds of legality on from nationality (pretty important sometimes) to
driving, passports, retirement and social security.
Very odd.
Sandra
psoroosh
My sister adopted a child who was 12 years old. The birth certificate was reissued - it is exactly as stated here - it looks on her birth certificate as if my sister and her dh were the biological parents. I didn't believe that was really how it was going to work - until I saw it with my own eyes!
-pam
-pam
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/24/03 12:06:56 PM, starsuncloud@c... writes:
>
> << As far as the law is concerned, once that child is adopted, they are equal
> to
> a birth child.
> The birth certificate is even changed to reflect you as the mother. >>
>
> Somehow I missed this, a week ago (nearly).
>
> That would be falsification of documents. Jesus. I don't doubt some state
> is doing it, but I doubt all states are doing it.
>
> Sandra
princessdee20012001
-They did re-issuse birth certific does list me as mother. However
she was a susadised adoption. besacuse of the disorders, They
antcapated many medacial expenses and provide above my insurince at
work (I am required to carry insurince on her).
I have checked father and they can not stop me from doing what I want
reguarding privet schools so I think they cant with homeschool laws.
If they can I am in trouble now(giggle)
Dee
-- In [email protected], "psoroosh" <pamsoroosh@m...>
wrote:
her birth certificate as if my sister and her dh were the biological
parents. I didn't believe that was really how it was going to work -
until I saw it with my own eyes!
she was a susadised adoption. besacuse of the disorders, They
antcapated many medacial expenses and provide above my insurince at
work (I am required to carry insurince on her).
I have checked father and they can not stop me from doing what I want
reguarding privet schools so I think they cant with homeschool laws.
If they can I am in trouble now(giggle)
Dee
-- In [email protected], "psoroosh" <pamsoroosh@m...>
wrote:
> My sister adopted a child who was 12 years old. The birthcertificate was reissued - it is exactly as stated here - it looks on
her birth certificate as if my sister and her dh were the biological
parents. I didn't believe that was really how it was going to work -
until I saw it with my own eyes!
>they are equal
> -pam
>
> --- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 4/24/03 12:06:56 PM, starsuncloud@c... writes:
> >
> > << As far as the law is concerned, once that child is adopted,
> > tomother. >>
> > a birth child.
> > The birth certificate is even changed to reflect you as the
> >some state
> > Somehow I missed this, a week ago (nearly).
> >
> > That would be falsification of documents. Jesus. I don't doubt
> > is doing it, but I doubt all states are doing it.
> >
> > Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/29/03 6:04:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< That would be falsification of documents. Jesus. I don't doubt some
state
is doing it, but I doubt all states are doing it. >>
No, it's common place. I am fairly confident that it's done in every state.
That is why it is so difficult for children adopted at birth to find their
birth parents! My dh was adopted at four months old, his birth certificate
was ammended upon finalization of adoption (adoptive parents never see the
birth cert. before that).
It shows his adoptive parents as the birth parents.
My sibs that were adopted had the exact same thing done. In their case, they
stayed in touch with their sisters and birth father to some degree after the
adoption. So there was nothing being hidden. It's just what happens when
someone is adopted.
Birth certificates are re-issued with the adoptive parents names.
I'd be very surprised if states didn't do this.
Otherwise the birth parents name would be easy to come by, no need for all
these laws protecting them!
Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear
[email protected] writes:
<< That would be falsification of documents. Jesus. I don't doubt some
state
is doing it, but I doubt all states are doing it. >>
No, it's common place. I am fairly confident that it's done in every state.
That is why it is so difficult for children adopted at birth to find their
birth parents! My dh was adopted at four months old, his birth certificate
was ammended upon finalization of adoption (adoptive parents never see the
birth cert. before that).
It shows his adoptive parents as the birth parents.
My sibs that were adopted had the exact same thing done. In their case, they
stayed in touch with their sisters and birth father to some degree after the
adoption. So there was nothing being hidden. It's just what happens when
someone is adopted.
Birth certificates are re-issued with the adoptive parents names.
I'd be very surprised if states didn't do this.
Otherwise the birth parents name would be easy to come by, no need for all
these laws protecting them!
Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/29/03 6:04:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I don't know if the original remains in the records or not. >>
It would be in the court records if it was handled by the state.
If you can hire a mediator to open the court records, the original birth
certificate should be there for them to use as a tool for a search. In your
case that wouldn't be necessary.
But that's exactly what I'm doing for my dh.
I have searched on my own for years...I'm done.
I'm spending the money for a mediator to open the records and perform a
search.
I will get none of the information from the court records. They will try to
find the birth mother and father and contact them.
If it is alright with them, we will then be put in contact by the mediator
and my dh will finally have some answers about his history.
Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear
[email protected] writes:
<< I don't know if the original remains in the records or not. >>
It would be in the court records if it was handled by the state.
If you can hire a mediator to open the court records, the original birth
certificate should be there for them to use as a tool for a search. In your
case that wouldn't be necessary.
But that's exactly what I'm doing for my dh.
I have searched on my own for years...I'm done.
I'm spending the money for a mediator to open the records and perform a
search.
I will get none of the information from the court records. They will try to
find the birth mother and father and contact them.
If it is alright with them, we will then be put in contact by the mediator
and my dh will finally have some answers about his history.
Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/30/2003 12:41:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
brother-in-law. I asked him to peek in the records and get some information
for us. He did it, with no problem. But it wasn't just a request out of
curiosity. My bil was having trouble getting services for which he was
entitled, because his birth certificate was all screwed up. That was one
messed up situation, involving money and power and greed, and in the end he
was the only victim.
Tuck
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> <<I don't know if the original remains in the records or not. >>A few years ago I wrote to the judge in Lake County FL on behalf of my
>
> It would be in the court records if it was handled by the state.
> If you can hire a mediator to open the court records, the original birth
> certificate should be there for them to use as a tool for a search.
brother-in-law. I asked him to peek in the records and get some information
for us. He did it, with no problem. But it wasn't just a request out of
curiosity. My bil was having trouble getting services for which he was
entitled, because his birth certificate was all screwed up. That was one
messed up situation, involving money and power and greed, and in the end he
was the only victim.
Tuck
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Noemi Hiraishi
Happy Holidays!
For the past 4 months I hardly read any post fm the list. I was busy doing
and learning fm books.
More than ever I firmly believe that Unschooling, child lead learning works.
9 yo dd shines everyday. It is a pleasure to see her growing.
I will be away fm the computer for 4 months. Dd and I will be visiting my
mother and sister in Brazil and once there I want to center my attention to
things-that-I-can-only-do-there. So computer is out. (I am glad that I am
finally becoming able to detach myself from this machine!)
I will for no mail.
Thank you for being there!
Namaste,
noemi hiraishi, fm Tokyo, Japan.
For the past 4 months I hardly read any post fm the list. I was busy doing
and learning fm books.
More than ever I firmly believe that Unschooling, child lead learning works.
9 yo dd shines everyday. It is a pleasure to see her growing.
I will be away fm the computer for 4 months. Dd and I will be visiting my
mother and sister in Brazil and once there I want to center my attention to
things-that-I-can-only-do-there. So computer is out. (I am glad that I am
finally becoming able to detach myself from this machine!)
I will for no mail.
Thank you for being there!
Namaste,
noemi hiraishi, fm Tokyo, Japan.
Fetteroll
on 12/27/03 9:05 PM, Noemi Hiraishi at noeminh@... wrote:
Happy Holidays and have a great trip! :-)
Joyce
> More than ever I firmly believe that Unschooling, child lead learning works.That's awesome :-)
> 9 yo dd shines everyday. It is a pleasure to see her growing.
Happy Holidays and have a great trip! :-)
Joyce
Coyote's Corner
Hi Noemi,
Thanks so much for your posts. Have a safe and wonderful trip.
Aquene,
Janis
Coyotes Corner
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Thanks so much for your posts. Have a safe and wonderful trip.
Aquene,
Janis
Coyotes Corner
Very Cool Stuff for the World
<www.coyotescorner.com>
401-438-7678
----- Original Message -----
From: Noemi Hiraishi
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 9:05 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Thank you all
Happy Holidays!
For the past 4 months I hardly read any post fm the list. I was busy doing
and learning fm books.
More than ever I firmly believe that Unschooling, child lead learning works.
9 yo dd shines everyday. It is a pleasure to see her growing.
I will be away fm the computer for 4 months. Dd and I will be visiting my
mother and sister in Brazil and once there I want to center my attention to
things-that-I-can-only-do-there. So computer is out. (I am glad that I am
finally becoming able to detach myself from this machine!)
I will for no mail.
Thank you for being there!
Namaste,
noemi hiraishi, fm Tokyo, Japan.
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