Too heathen for the Christians and too Christian for the heathens...
elissa kroeger <[email protected]>
Brenda, All I can say is a very facetious, "Amen Sister!!":):) I have
felt that way for a long time. My one long time friend and I are
Christians and unschoolers, all the other homeschoolers we know are
Christian Structured Curriculum types. They are wonderful people,
they think we are nuts, wrong, worldly, lazy a bad example for the
public as to what homeschooling is about.
I have another very close friend who is on the board of 'Christian
Home Educators of Ohio' I love this woman, our children are of
similar ages, our belief in God is the same and we even have a
similar "routine". We both have the habit of getting up in the
morning, doing some chores, eating breakfast, reading out loud to
children for awhile and then getting on with the day. The difference
is what we do next (and that I do not follow the routine when nobody
feels like it!), her family goes off to various quiet places and
works on academics while mine goes off wherever and does whatever and
it is seldom quiet or academic. She and I put on a seminar every
spring for parents of high school student. I volunteer to help her
every year because she lets me talk. I want people to know that when
(not if!) they get burned out with the traditional high school
nonsense, there IS another way!! They think I am a little weird, I've
been made fun of some but I just tease them back.
I am a member of this group because I truly love the people and my
children have friends there, especially among the long time members.
I feel a need to be available to people who are just starting out. My
oldest is 'graduating' this Spring and everyone is asking me why he
isn't participating in the group's graduation ceremony. When I tell
them it is because he doesn't want to spent money to rent a stupid
looking blue gown I get some funny looks but I think it is good for
them to see that there really is another way to think about
homeschooling and that one CAN be an unschooler and a Christian at
the same time. Although I admit, sometimes I do get sucked into peer
pressure and care too much about what people think about me but I am
finally feeling comfortable discussing unschooling with those who
disagree. It feels good and actually, I am more comfortable in the
group now that I have "come out of the closet" so to speak.
The sad thing is that Christians seem to think that following
a "rigorous" academic program has something to do with being
righteous. From what I have read in my Bible, that isn't in there.
Also, Proverbs6 about Train up a child in the way he should go...
means encourage him according to his natural bent, not beat the sin
out of him. There is some misunderstanding about that. I think Jesus
was an Unschooler! He and his disciples went around doing life and
talked about it, there was no classroom. I don't mean to get on a
soapbox but it just frustrates me to no end that so few people get
that Christianity is about freedom!!!
To end on a humorous note... once I was at a home birth meeting,
expecting baby#4, and another pregnant lady who was a pagan also
expecting her 4th child told me that her friends were teasing her
that if she had any more babies, people would start to think she was
a Christian! I couldn't stop laughing...
Have a great day -Elissa
felt that way for a long time. My one long time friend and I are
Christians and unschoolers, all the other homeschoolers we know are
Christian Structured Curriculum types. They are wonderful people,
they think we are nuts, wrong, worldly, lazy a bad example for the
public as to what homeschooling is about.
I have another very close friend who is on the board of 'Christian
Home Educators of Ohio' I love this woman, our children are of
similar ages, our belief in God is the same and we even have a
similar "routine". We both have the habit of getting up in the
morning, doing some chores, eating breakfast, reading out loud to
children for awhile and then getting on with the day. The difference
is what we do next (and that I do not follow the routine when nobody
feels like it!), her family goes off to various quiet places and
works on academics while mine goes off wherever and does whatever and
it is seldom quiet or academic. She and I put on a seminar every
spring for parents of high school student. I volunteer to help her
every year because she lets me talk. I want people to know that when
(not if!) they get burned out with the traditional high school
nonsense, there IS another way!! They think I am a little weird, I've
been made fun of some but I just tease them back.
I am a member of this group because I truly love the people and my
children have friends there, especially among the long time members.
I feel a need to be available to people who are just starting out. My
oldest is 'graduating' this Spring and everyone is asking me why he
isn't participating in the group's graduation ceremony. When I tell
them it is because he doesn't want to spent money to rent a stupid
looking blue gown I get some funny looks but I think it is good for
them to see that there really is another way to think about
homeschooling and that one CAN be an unschooler and a Christian at
the same time. Although I admit, sometimes I do get sucked into peer
pressure and care too much about what people think about me but I am
finally feeling comfortable discussing unschooling with those who
disagree. It feels good and actually, I am more comfortable in the
group now that I have "come out of the closet" so to speak.
The sad thing is that Christians seem to think that following
a "rigorous" academic program has something to do with being
righteous. From what I have read in my Bible, that isn't in there.
Also, Proverbs6 about Train up a child in the way he should go...
means encourage him according to his natural bent, not beat the sin
out of him. There is some misunderstanding about that. I think Jesus
was an Unschooler! He and his disciples went around doing life and
talked about it, there was no classroom. I don't mean to get on a
soapbox but it just frustrates me to no end that so few people get
that Christianity is about freedom!!!
To end on a humorous note... once I was at a home birth meeting,
expecting baby#4, and another pregnant lady who was a pagan also
expecting her 4th child told me that her friends were teasing her
that if she had any more babies, people would start to think she was
a Christian! I couldn't stop laughing...
Have a great day -Elissa
elissa kroeger
Regarding limericks.......and japanese restaurants...
Thank you very much..... I really don't think I could share that with
some of the people I know ....too bad.....It just goes to show that
it really is important to learn the language when you open a
restaurant in another country...I wonder if any English words sound
like Japanese *bad words*?
-Elissa
Thank you very much..... I really don't think I could share that with
some of the people I know ....too bad.....It just goes to show that
it really is important to learn the language when you open a
restaurant in another country...I wonder if any English words sound
like Japanese *bad words*?
-Elissa
nellebelle
Remember the Ford Nova? It didn't go over well in Mexico. The name means "doesn't go"
We've had lots of discussion in our house about bad words and what makes them bad. We recently watched Hair. I'd forgotten about the song "Sodomy". Later, Lisa asked my why the word felletio (sp?) sounded familiar. I said maybe because of the name Felicia? She said why would someone want to name their child something that sounded like a bad word?
Mary Ellen
----- snip----- .I wonder if any English words sound
like Japanese *bad words*?
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We've had lots of discussion in our house about bad words and what makes them bad. We recently watched Hair. I'd forgotten about the song "Sodomy". Later, Lisa asked my why the word felletio (sp?) sounded familiar. I said maybe because of the name Felicia? She said why would someone want to name their child something that sounded like a bad word?
Mary Ellen
----- snip----- .I wonder if any English words sound
like Japanese *bad words*?
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In a message dated 3/6/03 6:37:34 AM, elissa_8@... writes:
<< I wonder if any English words sound
like Japanese *bad words*? >>
Probably.
And within languages there's always that danger that a particular accent will
cause words to sound really bad. Like the many little children who can't say
"tr" yet and so call trucks "fucks."
A Mormon family we know had a daughter who went on a student exchange trip to
Japan. First she attended the language school in SLC which trains the
missionaries. I think she was 14 or 15 when she went. She went to Japan and
the school assembled, standing in lines in the assembly room, while the
principal introduced her formally and then she made a speech herself, in
Japanese! She told us she said that she was glad to be there, hoped to make
friends, and would study hard. Everyone stayed very polite and quiet, and
when the assembly was dismissed, she said a small group of girls came over to
her, and said that her Japanese had been very good, but that she should know
a certain difference in a phrase, which they told her, and the other VERY
close phrase, which she had said, and they told her how she had said it,
which meant that she was on her period.
So even though she stood up and told all these kids she was on her period,
they didn't laugh and they weren't mean to her.
She had a great time there and learned to play koto and sing, and did art and
calligraphy.
Sandra
<< I wonder if any English words sound
like Japanese *bad words*? >>
Probably.
And within languages there's always that danger that a particular accent will
cause words to sound really bad. Like the many little children who can't say
"tr" yet and so call trucks "fucks."
A Mormon family we know had a daughter who went on a student exchange trip to
Japan. First she attended the language school in SLC which trains the
missionaries. I think she was 14 or 15 when she went. She went to Japan and
the school assembled, standing in lines in the assembly room, while the
principal introduced her formally and then she made a speech herself, in
Japanese! She told us she said that she was glad to be there, hoped to make
friends, and would study hard. Everyone stayed very polite and quiet, and
when the assembly was dismissed, she said a small group of girls came over to
her, and said that her Japanese had been very good, but that she should know
a certain difference in a phrase, which they told her, and the other VERY
close phrase, which she had said, and they told her how she had said it,
which meant that she was on her period.
So even though she stood up and told all these kids she was on her period,
they didn't laugh and they weren't mean to her.
She had a great time there and learned to play koto and sing, and did art and
calligraphy.
Sandra
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In a message dated 3/6/03 8:27:38 AM, nellebelle@... writes:
<< Remember the Ford Nova? It didn't go over well in Mexico. The name means
"doesn't go" >>
The name "Enco" meant something bad somewhere, so when the company went
international they searched for a set of phonemes that meant nothing in any
known language, and that's where Exxon came from. It was chosen for being
multi-lingually meaningless.
They couldn't sell "Novas" in anyplace south of the U.S.
In Europe, cars tend to be numbered instead of named, because of the European
multi-lingual situation. So you get Mercedes XL900 or whatever (I don't
know the real numbers).
Does anyone know whether Japanese cars in Japan have spiffy names in
Japanese? or just numbers?
Sandra
<< Remember the Ford Nova? It didn't go over well in Mexico. The name means
"doesn't go" >>
The name "Enco" meant something bad somewhere, so when the company went
international they searched for a set of phonemes that meant nothing in any
known language, and that's where Exxon came from. It was chosen for being
multi-lingually meaningless.
They couldn't sell "Novas" in anyplace south of the U.S.
In Europe, cars tend to be numbered instead of named, because of the European
multi-lingual situation. So you get Mercedes XL900 or whatever (I don't
know the real numbers).
Does anyone know whether Japanese cars in Japan have spiffy names in
Japanese? or just numbers?
Sandra
[email protected]
> In a message dated 3/6/03 8:27:38 AM, nellebelle@...Except that that's another urban legend -
> writes:
>
> << Remember the Ford Nova? It didn't go over well in Mexico. The
> name means
> "doesn't go" >>
http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.htm
A quote from the snopes page: "First of all, the phrase "no va"
(literally "doesn't go") and the word "nova" are distinct entities with
different pronunciations in Spanish: the former is two words and is
pronounced with the accent on the second word; the latter is one word
with the accent on the first syllable. Assuming that Spanish speakers
would naturally see the word "nova" as equivalent to the phrase "no va"
and think "Hey, this car doesn't go!" is akin to assuming that English
speakers woud spurn a dinette set sold under the name Notable because
nobody wants a dinette set that doesn't include a table. "
Dar, snopes addict
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In a message dated 3/6/03 10:51:44 AM, SandraDodd@... writes:
<< << I wonder if any English words sound
like Japanese *bad words*? >> >>
I wrote a long post and the ruined it trying to paste something in.
I feel particularly stupid since I did that YESTERDAY too.
A teenaged Mormon friend from SLC was an exchange student in Japan. Having
the advantage of being from a prominent Mormon family, she went to the
language school there which Missionaries use. So she had Japanese, and off
she went.
She told us that first there was a school assembly, where the kids stood in
lines by grade and she was introduced formally. I think she was 14 or 15 at
the time.
The principal made a speech introducing her, and then our American friend
made her own speech in Japanese. She said it was just a formal sort of "I'm
glad to be here, thank you, I hope to make friend and I will study hard" or
some such.
When the assembly was dismissed, a small group of girls came up to her and
she said very politely said her Japanese was very good, but that there was
one small error, understandable, because two phrases were nearly the same.
So they showed her the difference, and told her without being mean or making
fun of her that what she had actually said was that she was on her period.
So an American teenager stood up and told a whole school, girls and boys,
that she was on her period, and nobody laughed or pointed. I thought that
was cool.
Sandra
<< << I wonder if any English words sound
like Japanese *bad words*? >> >>
I wrote a long post and the ruined it trying to paste something in.
I feel particularly stupid since I did that YESTERDAY too.
A teenaged Mormon friend from SLC was an exchange student in Japan. Having
the advantage of being from a prominent Mormon family, she went to the
language school there which Missionaries use. So she had Japanese, and off
she went.
She told us that first there was a school assembly, where the kids stood in
lines by grade and she was introduced formally. I think she was 14 or 15 at
the time.
The principal made a speech introducing her, and then our American friend
made her own speech in Japanese. She said it was just a formal sort of "I'm
glad to be here, thank you, I hope to make friend and I will study hard" or
some such.
When the assembly was dismissed, a small group of girls came up to her and
she said very politely said her Japanese was very good, but that there was
one small error, understandable, because two phrases were nearly the same.
So they showed her the difference, and told her without being mean or making
fun of her that what she had actually said was that she was on her period.
So an American teenager stood up and told a whole school, girls and boys,
that she was on her period, and nobody laughed or pointed. I thought that
was cool.
Sandra
Fetteroll
on 3/6/03 1:01 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
of interesting sounding but meaningless names. I see lots of US model names
and the Japanese students we hosted recognized what cars we were talking
about when we said we had a Camry and a Civic.
There's a really long list at http://crossroads.net/honyaku/nihonsha.html.
It says they were translated from katakana (the Japanese syllabary (sp? I
can spell the Japanese word, not so sure about the English word ;-)) but I
don't know if they're all written in katakana or if some are written in
kanji (the Japanese symbols) So is the Dihatsu Applause written with the
symbol for Applause or is it written out to sound sort of like the English
word for Applause? (Which might be something like a-pa-ra-s(u). (The "u"
part of they "su" syllable isn't usually pronounced at the end.))
Is Hikaru on this list?
And also apparently the Japanese have the reputation of coming up with some
of the weirdest names. These don't all appear on the long list but some
appeared on other lists of odd names.
* Daihatsu Atrai Aero Down Billet
* Daihatsu Kid Aero Down Custom
* Daihatsu Naked
* Honda Life Dunk
* Mazda Bongo Friendee
* Mitsubishi Chariot Grandis Royal
* Nissan Bluebird Sylphy
* Subaru Pleo Nesta
* Suzuki Every Landy
* Toyota Avensis Versa
* Toyota Corolla Runx
* Toyota Townace Noach
Joyce
> Does anyone know whether Japanese cars in Japan have spiffy names inNames. From a couple of webpages, apparently the Japanese started the trend
> Japanese? or just numbers?
of interesting sounding but meaningless names. I see lots of US model names
and the Japanese students we hosted recognized what cars we were talking
about when we said we had a Camry and a Civic.
There's a really long list at http://crossroads.net/honyaku/nihonsha.html.
It says they were translated from katakana (the Japanese syllabary (sp? I
can spell the Japanese word, not so sure about the English word ;-)) but I
don't know if they're all written in katakana or if some are written in
kanji (the Japanese symbols) So is the Dihatsu Applause written with the
symbol for Applause or is it written out to sound sort of like the English
word for Applause? (Which might be something like a-pa-ra-s(u). (The "u"
part of they "su" syllable isn't usually pronounced at the end.))
Is Hikaru on this list?
And also apparently the Japanese have the reputation of coming up with some
of the weirdest names. These don't all appear on the long list but some
appeared on other lists of odd names.
* Daihatsu Atrai Aero Down Billet
* Daihatsu Kid Aero Down Custom
* Daihatsu Naked
* Honda Life Dunk
* Mazda Bongo Friendee
* Mitsubishi Chariot Grandis Royal
* Nissan Bluebird Sylphy
* Subaru Pleo Nesta
* Suzuki Every Landy
* Toyota Avensis Versa
* Toyota Corolla Runx
* Toyota Townace Noach
Joyce