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In a message dated 1/30/03 2:48:15 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< My mom recently told me that my SIL read that certain hormones are more
> active when sleep occurs during early morning hours. >>

Then shouldn't people be asleep during those hours in order for the hormones
to be active? What did I miss here? Her logic isn't adding up.
It sounds like your SIL isn't exactly someone that has studied the effects of
sleep or bio rythms. If you read about bio rhythms, you will understand that
every persons are different. That's why you have people that love being up
early and night owls that are up till after midnight regularaly.
Some people are more active at different times of the day due to their very
natural (and probably genetically inherited) bio rhythms.
What a wonderful gift to allow your child to listen to their OWN body. Not
some myth that has many children sleep deprived and unhealthy.

Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."

----Frances Hodgson
Burnett

Kate Green

A lot of research shows that during adolescence the internal clock changes
so that kids can't go to sleep as early and need to sleep later in the day.
It's purely biological. School districts have identified this and a few
have changed hours to better meet the kids' needs but most continue to have
high schoolers start earlier than the younger grades because so many work
after school.

I think my husband is in delayed development as he never got over his
adolescence clock:)

Kate


At 11:01 AM 1/30/03 -0500, you wrote:
> In a message dated 1/30/03 2:48:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
><< My mom recently told me that my SIL read that certain hormones are more
>> >>
>
> Then shouldn't people be asleep during those hours in order for the
hormones
> to be active? What did I miss here? Her logic isn't adding up.
> It sounds like your SIL isn't exactly someone that has studied the
effects of
> sleep or bio rythms. If you read about bio rhythms, you will understand
that
> every persons are different. That's why you have people that love being up
> early and night owls that are up till after midnight regularaly.
> Some people are more active at different times of the day due to their very
> natural (and probably genetically inherited) bio rhythms.
> What a wonderful gift to allow your child to listen to their OWN body. Not
> some myth that has many children sleep deprived and unhealthy.
>
> Ren
>" The flowers are
> Being alive is the
> The magic is in me--the magic is in
>"
>
> ----Frances Hodgson
> Burnett
>
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nellebelle

Yes, I thought about individual differences too. Why should we expect that everyone should go to sleep and get up at the same time? My mom was with us for a couple of weeks during the holidays, and I guess, couldn't help comparing my family with my younger brother's. He and I are rather opposites when it comes to control issues.

Mary Ellen
----- Original Message ----- Some people are more active at different times of the day due to their very natural (and probably genetically inherited) bio rhythms.What a wonderful gift to allow your child to listen to their OWN body. Not some myth that has many children sleep deprived and unhealthy.



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In a message dated 1/31/03 1:07:22 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<<
A lot of research shows that during adolescence the internal clock changes
so that kids can't go to sleep as early and need to sleep later in the day.
>>

I wish someone would have informed my HS of this!!
I was tortured for four years of my life, due to needing more sleep and
having to be up early. It was awful.
I thought I had insomnia for a long time, because I couldn't fall asleep at
night. Now I can see I just needed to be up late, still do.
I used to LONG for a nap and fall asleep frequently in class. My mother
suspected drug use because I wanted to sleep when I got home!! Sheesh

Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."

----Frances Hodgson
Burnett

Kate Green

> I thought I had insomnia for a long time, because I couldn't fall asleep at
> night. Now I can see I just needed to be up late, still do.

It can be really tough for some kids who experience this very strongly. I
love the fact my kids can make their own choices about when to sleep. My
13-year-old stayed up the other night until 5am writing a story. He said
that he often gets his best thoughts in the night and if he doesn't write
them down they are gone. I find the same thing -- just wish I had the
luxory of sleeping on my schedule:)

> I used to LONG for a nap and fall asleep frequently in class. My mother
> suspected drug use because I wanted to sleep when I got home!! Sheesh

I was suspected of this too but it's because I kept passing out. After a
few months they found out my "drug" was sugar as I was hyperglycemic. We
had just moved to the US and the counselors really freaked my mom out going
on about drugs. I actually dropped out of the high school as the kids were
doing drugs (in the classrooms) there. Unfortunate that they blamed one of
the ones who was innocent (at that time:)


Kate
>
> Ren
>" The flowers are
> Being alive is the
> The magic is in me--the magic is in
>"
>
> ----Frances Hodgson
> Burnett
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Angie <[email protected]>

My dd (10) stays up until around 2 or 3 am...every night. I have
gotten to the point where I will stay up with her, some nights, till
midnight, but then I gotta give in...She routinely sleeps until I
wake her. I usually go up there and rouse her around 12:30 or 1 pm.
It took me many months to get to the point where I felt comfortable
letting her "sleep the day away" Dh still disagrees with me on this
one. But she spends most of her night time reading, drawing, or
playing video games. There are a couple of late night cartoons that
she gets into. Other than that, she reads...reads..reads...How can I
say no to that? At least I know that she is happy, and interested.
Her attic room is tomblike, so, if left to her own devices, she would
seriously sleep until 4 or 5 pm...But she has a paper route and needs
to at least be up in time to do that! Personally, sleep is one of my
favorite things..so many dreams. I sometimes have out of body
experiences while I sleep. At least I feel that they are OBE's but
they are interspersed with the dream itself. Dreams are awesome!

--- In [email protected], Kate Green <karegree@e...>
wrote:
> > I thought I had insomnia for a long time, because I couldn't fall
asleep at
> > night. Now I can see I just needed to be up late, still do.
>
> It can be really tough for some kids who experience this very
strongly. I
> love the fact my kids can make their own choices about when to
sleep. My
> 13-year-old stayed up the other night until 5am writing a story. He
said
> that he often gets his best thoughts in the night and if he doesn't
write
> them down they are gone. I find the same thing -- just wish I had
the
> luxory of sleeping on my schedule:)
>
> > I used to LONG for a nap and fall asleep frequently in class. My
mother
> > suspected drug use because I wanted to sleep when I got home!!
Sheesh
>
> I was suspected of this too but it's because I kept passing out.
After a
> few months they found out my "drug" was sugar as I was
hyperglycemic. We
> had just moved to the US and the counselors really freaked my mom
out going
> on about drugs. I actually dropped out of the high school as the
kids were
> doing drugs (in the classrooms) there. Unfortunate that they blamed
one of
> the ones who was innocent (at that time:)
>
>
> Kate
> >
> > Ren
> >" The flowers are
> > Being alive is the
> > The magic is in me--the magic is in
> >"
> >
> > ----Frances
Hodgson
> > Burnett
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > [email protected]
> >
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In a message dated 1/30/03 11:22:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:


> I wish someone would have informed my HS of this!!
> I was tortured for four years of my life, due to needing more sleep and
> having to be up early. It was awful.
> I thought I had insomnia for a long time, because I couldn't fall asleep at
>
> night. Now I can see I just needed to be up late, still do.
> I used to LONG for a nap and fall asleep frequently in class. My mother
> suspected drug use because I wanted to sleep when I got home!! Sheesh
>
> Ren
>

Lanora can't seem to find sleep until the wee hours these days. She's 12 but
her body is a couple of years ahead of her years. My friend has a daughter
the same age and she is always mentioning how foul her mood is. I've gently
reminded her, more than once, that she needs a LOT more sleep than 7 or 8
hours a night but they won't drop the school thing. She has even agreed that
unschooling is the only way that makes sense but the kids are still in ps, I
don't understand.

Kris


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Alan & Brenda Leonard

> he seems to
> think I'm the only freak in the world that will protect the quiet in a house
> so a kid can sleep until noon. I told him there were others. <g>

I just got back to Germany yesterday, after a week in the states. So this
is my son's second round of jet lag in 7 days. We took a nap shortly after
getting home, but otherwise went to bed at the usual time.

I got up when my husband came home for breakfast at 7:30. Tim was still
asleep. He was still asleep when a friend called to remind me about the
Scholastic Book Fair at the school, starting today, which I'd wanted to go
to.

I told her I couldn't go until later, since Tim was still asleep. She
couldn't believe I'd "just let him sleep like that", since she'd wake her
kids up or "they'd keep me up all night". She truly sounded appalled that I
was such a bad parent. Just what is so bad about letting a kid sleep off
jet lag? Sheesh.

brenda

Kelli Traaseth

Sandra wrote:
> he seems to
> think I'm the only freak in the world that will protect the quiet in a house
> so a kid can sleep until noon. I told him there were others. <g>



Brenda wrote:

**She
couldn't believe I'd "just let him sleep like that", since she'd wake her
kids up or "they'd keep me up all night". She truly sounded appalled that I
was such a bad parent. **



There are lots of us! We just can't see them with our eyes.



I am also dealing with this.

One of my closest friends just started homeschooling, But informed me that it wouldn't be like my homeschooling. Which I don't understand, why wouldn't everyone unschool? Hee, hee. She is still waking her kids up, making them go to bed. Relaxed in schooling somewhat, but still doing assignments and such.



I don't get it...if it didn't work at school, why try it at home. And... why make them get up? Isn't a great benefit to homeschooling the fact that you can have your own schedules? She says they won't get anything done if they sleep in. Yada, yada...



She's a long way from unschooling. Sigh....this is hard for me.



Kelli




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In a message dated 4/1/03 6:54:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:

> She says they won't get anything done if they sleep in. Yada, yada...
>

I never get this statement, as though we have lost the hours
forever....instead of just changing schedules? That is if you bother to keep
one. I love being unscheduled. And who care if my kids want to learn
something math-like at midnight, they get to sleep to whenever.

Just my 2cents.
Rhonda


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kbolden

Kelli wrote: One of my closest friends just started homeschooling ... still doing assignments and such ... She's a long way from unschooling. Sigh....this is hard for me.

Be patient :-) She sounds like me, 4 years ago, and I'm still "homeschooling" more than I think I should. I started to relax when I saw my kids (who were jr high age when we started) taking the lead, making decisions about what they wanted to do and when/if they wanted to study something formally.

It's hard to accept that life itself is a learning process -- we've mostly been taught to take control, take the lead, crush the competition, etc. We've been trained to feel uneasy without rules, rituals and structure. Unschooling is a surrendering of all those ideas, at least it has been for me and my kids, and it doesn't happen overnight.

Kay

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Alan & Brenda Leonard

4/1/03 17:38:

> And... why make them get up? Isn't a great benefit to homeschooling the fact
> that you can have your own schedules? She says they won't get anything
> done if they sleep in. Yada, yada...

I've never gotten this idea. My child sleeps about 10 hours a night,
sometimes more, no matter what time he goes to bed. Not if he stays up
particularly late one night, but at times when we've had months of going to
bed at 10 or 11 and getting up at 8 or 9. It just seems to be his thing to
be awake 14 of every 24 hours.

Now, if I got him out of bed promptly at 6, I'd probably find him exhausted
by about 8 p.m. The logical part of my brain says we'd accomplish exactly
as much between 6 a.m. and 8 p.m. as we would between 10a.m. and midnight.
(The not-so-logical part of my brain actually suspects we wouldn't, since
neither of us function well in the moring, but that's not really my point.)
Why do you have less time to get things done if they sleep in? You just
don't go to bed as early! I don't get it!

brenda