fears
[email protected]
I've been criticized twice in one day. One for having an opinion about
religion and suicide at www.unschooling.com, and the other for answering
someone's question about how we homeschool (asked to a whole list) on the New
Mexico list.
Rough day.
So I thought maybe my confidence makes people feel uncomfortable. Maybe I
should list some doubts and fears.
So here are some doubts and fears I still have.
I left out "might never read" because I got over that one years ago.
Sometimes I'm afraid my kids will resent not having school stories to tell.
No prom, no team sports, no horrible teacher tales.
I wish they had had the opportunity to be in school band or orchestra or
chorus, which they WOULD have done if it had been a better choice than
another write-a-report class.
I think of friends I still have from school, and realize I would never have
met them if I'd been homeschooled.
I imagine that Marty and Kirby will blame me forever for their handwriting
being scrawly printing.
I wonder if Marty won't do well if he's on Jeopardy.
Once in a while I'm afraid I'll get in trouble with the state, but then I
remember that all they'll do is notify me that I'm not in compliance, and
then I'll just comply.
I worry that I'll die and they'll have their peaceful unschooling disrupted.
I worry that they'll think they're not as smart as kids who go to school are.
They'll get over that eventually (if they get that feeling, as Marty once
had when the neighbors bugged him when he was six or so).
But they remind me not to worry, by knowing things I don't know.
I see things they've written or hear snappy come-backs and I know they think
fast, and well.
I got a book out of the library called Houses and Homes, a COOL kids' book
with see-through pages, with stuff from prehistoric hunting camps to
Biosphere 2, with archeological stuff that's new in the past few years. And
one of the big layouts is Sargon's Palace. An Assyrian king I'd never heard
of. Marty said, "Mom, are you serious? You've never heard of Sargon? I'm
ALL about that."
So if Marty and I are on Jeopardy and one of the items is about ancient
Assyrian cities or Sargon, Marty will win and I will stand like a deer in the
stagelights.
Sandra
religion and suicide at www.unschooling.com, and the other for answering
someone's question about how we homeschool (asked to a whole list) on the New
Mexico list.
Rough day.
So I thought maybe my confidence makes people feel uncomfortable. Maybe I
should list some doubts and fears.
So here are some doubts and fears I still have.
I left out "might never read" because I got over that one years ago.
Sometimes I'm afraid my kids will resent not having school stories to tell.
No prom, no team sports, no horrible teacher tales.
I wish they had had the opportunity to be in school band or orchestra or
chorus, which they WOULD have done if it had been a better choice than
another write-a-report class.
I think of friends I still have from school, and realize I would never have
met them if I'd been homeschooled.
I imagine that Marty and Kirby will blame me forever for their handwriting
being scrawly printing.
I wonder if Marty won't do well if he's on Jeopardy.
Once in a while I'm afraid I'll get in trouble with the state, but then I
remember that all they'll do is notify me that I'm not in compliance, and
then I'll just comply.
I worry that I'll die and they'll have their peaceful unschooling disrupted.
I worry that they'll think they're not as smart as kids who go to school are.
They'll get over that eventually (if they get that feeling, as Marty once
had when the neighbors bugged him when he was six or so).
But they remind me not to worry, by knowing things I don't know.
I see things they've written or hear snappy come-backs and I know they think
fast, and well.
I got a book out of the library called Houses and Homes, a COOL kids' book
with see-through pages, with stuff from prehistoric hunting camps to
Biosphere 2, with archeological stuff that's new in the past few years. And
one of the big layouts is Sargon's Palace. An Assyrian king I'd never heard
of. Marty said, "Mom, are you serious? You've never heard of Sargon? I'm
ALL about that."
So if Marty and I are on Jeopardy and one of the items is about ancient
Assyrian cities or Sargon, Marty will win and I will stand like a deer in the
stagelights.
Sandra
Shyrley
SandraDodd@... wrote:
Unschoolers for suggesting that forcing a child to use a curriculum *might* not
be unschooling. Every single person on that list used coercian and did
school-at-home but called themselves unschoolers.
Then I got hate mail.
Now half of Virginia ain't speaking too me.
You keep having an opinion m'dear. It's good for the rest of us.
And if other people can't handle it, well tough titties on them ;-)
Shyrley
> I've been criticized twice in one day. One for having an opinion aboutLeast you didn't get thrown off a list. I was chucked off of North Virginia
> religion and suicide at www.unschooling.com, and the other for answering
> someone's question about how we homeschool (asked to a whole list) on the New
> Mexico list.
Unschoolers for suggesting that forcing a child to use a curriculum *might* not
be unschooling. Every single person on that list used coercian and did
school-at-home but called themselves unschoolers.
Then I got hate mail.
Now half of Virginia ain't speaking too me.
You keep having an opinion m'dear. It's good for the rest of us.
And if other people can't handle it, well tough titties on them ;-)
Shyrley
Pam Hartley
> I've been criticized twice in one day. One for having an opinion aboutSorry about your rough day. :( You're making people think, and they'll
> religion and suicide at www.unschooling.com, and the other for answering
> someone's question about how we homeschool (asked to a whole list) on the New
> Mexico list.
>
> Rough day.
>
> So I thought maybe my confidence makes people feel uncomfortable. Maybe I
> should list some doubts and fears.
hardly ever thank you for it, at least at first. :/
My fears right now are that Brit will be made to feel bad, by my nincompoop
family or Wally's, that she doesn't read (much) and probably won't (much)
for awhile.
And I worry sometimes about the state as well, because California is showing
signs of incipient silliness.
Pam
Dawn Falbe
This gave me hope as I've only been criticized for homeschooling once
today. Although that criticism did go on for 40 minutes so does it
count as twice (LOL)..
Dawn
Tucson, AZ
-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] fears
I've been criticized twice in one day. One for having an opinion about
religion and suicide at www.unschooling.com, and the other for answering
someone's question about how we homeschool (asked to a whole list) on
the New
Mexico list.
Rough day.
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today. Although that criticism did go on for 40 minutes so does it
count as twice (LOL)..
Dawn
Tucson, AZ
-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] fears
I've been criticized twice in one day. One for having an opinion about
religion and suicide at www.unschooling.com, and the other for answering
someone's question about how we homeschool (asked to a whole list) on
the New
Mexico list.
Rough day.
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/23/03 8:32:58 PM, shyrley.williams@... writes:
<< Least you didn't get thrown off a list. >>
No yet.
Well, they can't throw me off the New Mexico list, since I'm the listowner.
<< Least you didn't get thrown off a list. >>
No yet.
Well, they can't throw me off the New Mexico list, since I'm the listowner.
marji
At 22:11 1/23/03 -0500, you wrote:
(a wee bit) to know that I frequently send snips of your insightful and
wise writing to my husband, who thoroughly appreciates them and thinks
you're really smart (I agree), and that I shamelessly quote you a lot to a
friend of mine who is unschooling but gets assaulted by doubters in her
life and then starts to have doubts herself. She takes solace in and gets
reassurance from your words, too.
I hope it helps a little to know that I think that what you say makes so
much sense to me that I have turned around in a lot of my thinking and my
son is enjoying his life a whole lot more now than he was a year ago at
this time when he was still enduring school. (He was yakking on the phone
with a homeschooling friend of his today, and he said, "I'm feeling a
little sick today. It's good to be feeling sick if you go to school, but
it's not so good when you're homeschooling." Well, that about says it all,
no?)
And, I hope it helps a little to know that it's good to know that other
folks who I consider to be "there" in the unschooling world are having
fears and some of the same fears and worries I have. I ain't gonna let
those fears and worries run my life for sure; I'm gonna let 'em go. But,
there's a comfort to me in knowing I'm having a common experience with
someone who I respect so much. Well, I hope the knowledge that you are a
comfort to me is a little bit of a comfort to you!
Don't ask me to say all that again; I'm not sure I could!
~Marji, the grateful mom of a grateful son.
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>I've been criticized twice in one day. One for having an opinion aboutHey, Sandra. I'm sorry you had a rough day. That sucks. Maybe it'll help
>religion and suicide at www.unschooling.com, and the other for answering
>someone's question about how we homeschool (asked to a whole list) on the New
>Mexico list.
>
>Rough day.
(a wee bit) to know that I frequently send snips of your insightful and
wise writing to my husband, who thoroughly appreciates them and thinks
you're really smart (I agree), and that I shamelessly quote you a lot to a
friend of mine who is unschooling but gets assaulted by doubters in her
life and then starts to have doubts herself. She takes solace in and gets
reassurance from your words, too.
I hope it helps a little to know that I think that what you say makes so
much sense to me that I have turned around in a lot of my thinking and my
son is enjoying his life a whole lot more now than he was a year ago at
this time when he was still enduring school. (He was yakking on the phone
with a homeschooling friend of his today, and he said, "I'm feeling a
little sick today. It's good to be feeling sick if you go to school, but
it's not so good when you're homeschooling." Well, that about says it all,
no?)
And, I hope it helps a little to know that it's good to know that other
folks who I consider to be "there" in the unschooling world are having
fears and some of the same fears and worries I have. I ain't gonna let
those fears and worries run my life for sure; I'm gonna let 'em go. But,
there's a comfort to me in knowing I'm having a common experience with
someone who I respect so much. Well, I hope the knowledge that you are a
comfort to me is a little bit of a comfort to you!
Don't ask me to say all that again; I'm not sure I could!
~Marji, the grateful mom of a grateful son.
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[email protected]
Thank you for that WHOLE post, which I am going to keep forever.
In a message dated 1/23/03 9:59:36 PM, marji@... writes:
<< I hope it helps a little to know that I think that what you say makes so
much sense to me that I have turned around in a lot of my thinking and my
son is enjoying his life a whole lot more now than he was a year ago at
this time when he was still enduring school. (He was yakking on the phone
with a homeschooling friend of his today, and he said, "I'm feeling a
little sick today. It's good to be feeling sick if you go to school, but
it's not so good when you're homeschooling." Well, that about says it all,
no?) >>
I've noticed that happy and amusing thing about my kids too. THEY HATE TO BE
SICK.
When I was a kid I thought being sick was a great blessing. I could watch
The Price is Right, and eat canned soup. Better than school and better than
school food.
THAT is sick!
Sandra
In a message dated 1/23/03 9:59:36 PM, marji@... writes:
<< I hope it helps a little to know that I think that what you say makes so
much sense to me that I have turned around in a lot of my thinking and my
son is enjoying his life a whole lot more now than he was a year ago at
this time when he was still enduring school. (He was yakking on the phone
with a homeschooling friend of his today, and he said, "I'm feeling a
little sick today. It's good to be feeling sick if you go to school, but
it's not so good when you're homeschooling." Well, that about says it all,
no?) >>
I've noticed that happy and amusing thing about my kids too. THEY HATE TO BE
SICK.
When I was a kid I thought being sick was a great blessing. I could watch
The Price is Right, and eat canned soup. Better than school and better than
school food.
THAT is sick!
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/23/2003 10:53:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamhartley@... writes:
~Kelly
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pamhartley@... writes:
> Sorry about your rough day. :( You're making people think, and they'llThank you, Sandra. A lot!
> hardly ever thank you for it, at least at first. :/
~Kelly
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marji
At 00:57 1/24/03 -0500, Sandra wrote:
REALLY wanting to stay home (probably to avoid a test or something like
that). I knew I could *act* sick, but I thought if I could only get my
face to look sick. So I put baby powder on my face thinking it would make
me look pale. They saw right through it (no pun intended), and I had to
go. Oh well. At least I tried!
Marji, who is glad that Liam never has to feign illness
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>Thank you for that WHOLE post, which I am going to keep forever.Yeah! I remember one time in particular when I was in elementary school
>
>When I was a kid I thought being sick was a great blessing. I could watch
>The Price is Right, and eat canned soup. Better than school and better than
>school food.
>
>THAT is sick!
>
>Sandra
REALLY wanting to stay home (probably to avoid a test or something like
that). I knew I could *act* sick, but I thought if I could only get my
face to look sick. So I put baby powder on my face thinking it would make
me look pale. They saw right through it (no pun intended), and I had to
go. Oh well. At least I tried!
Marji, who is glad that Liam never has to feign illness
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Barb Eaton
Sandra,
I mostly lurk & learn <BWWG> but I just had to post to say think you.
Yes your confidence does show through. I love it! You have shaken me up a
few times. I've changed my thinking which has changed thing around here for
me and my boys for the better. We are happier and movin' right along. Thank
you for being there and thank you for posting those fears too. I think about
what ifs sometime and start to worry. Then one of my boys does or says
something and it's all gone. *or* I read something on list. Then I put it
out of my mind. I haven't caught up on dotcom but I *really* appreciate your
cander and spirit. I left a long time list last week (don't have the time
for all) and now see a few from there joining (dotcom). You help a lot of
people out here.
When I left I just couldn't quitly leave. I told them that they were
basicly all eclectic and the list wasn't unschooling or challenging me
enough. You watch I bet someone from there will change and turn around their
thinking. Even without ever meeting you. ;-) Please don't change a think.
Barb E
"Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who
have the habit of making excuses."
- George Washington Carver, Chemist and Educator
on 1/23/03 10:11 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
I mostly lurk & learn <BWWG> but I just had to post to say think you.
Yes your confidence does show through. I love it! You have shaken me up a
few times. I've changed my thinking which has changed thing around here for
me and my boys for the better. We are happier and movin' right along. Thank
you for being there and thank you for posting those fears too. I think about
what ifs sometime and start to worry. Then one of my boys does or says
something and it's all gone. *or* I read something on list. Then I put it
out of my mind. I haven't caught up on dotcom but I *really* appreciate your
cander and spirit. I left a long time list last week (don't have the time
for all) and now see a few from there joining (dotcom). You help a lot of
people out here.
When I left I just couldn't quitly leave. I told them that they were
basicly all eclectic and the list wasn't unschooling or challenging me
enough. You watch I bet someone from there will change and turn around their
thinking. Even without ever meeting you. ;-) Please don't change a think.
Barb E
"Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who
have the habit of making excuses."
- George Washington Carver, Chemist and Educator
on 1/23/03 10:11 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
> I've been criticized twice in one day. One for having an opinion about
> religion and suicide at www.unschooling.com, and the other for answering
> someone's question about how we homeschool (asked to a whole list) on the New
> Mexico list.
>
> Rough day.
>
> Sandra
Barb Eaton
I second that!
Barb E
"I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a
success at something I hate."
- George Burns, Entertainer
on 1/23/03 11:58 PM, marji at marji@... wrote:
Barb E
"I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a
success at something I hate."
- George Burns, Entertainer
on 1/23/03 11:58 PM, marji at marji@... wrote:
> And, I hope it helps a little to know that it's good to know that other
> folks who I consider to be "there" in the unschooling world are having
> fears and some of the same fears and worries I have. I ain't gonna let
> those fears and worries run my life for sure; I'm gonna let 'em go. But,
> there's a comfort to me in knowing I'm having a common experience with
> someone who I respect so much. Well, I hope the knowledge that you are a
> comfort to me is a little bit of a comfort to you!
>
> Don't ask me to say all that again; I'm not sure I could!
>
>
> ~Marji, the grateful mom of a grateful son.
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/03 2:42:49 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I worry that I'll die and they'll have their peaceful unschooling
disrupted. >>
I have this one most often. I was thinking about it just this morning and
hoping that dh would figure out some way to make it work......just in case.
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
<< I worry that I'll die and they'll have their peaceful unschooling
disrupted. >>
I have this one most often. I was thinking about it just this morning and
hoping that dh would figure out some way to make it work......just in case.
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/03 2:42:49 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
And if it makes you feel any better Sandra, I got kicked off a list!! The big
old Altlearn map project, of which I was supposed to be "US contact" for,
decided I was entirely to outspoken.
I wasn't willing to go along with unschooling.com bashing or tv bashing among
other things. I was too radical and they decided to quickly silence me.
sigh....
AND, I use your quotes all the time with new/leaning towards unschooling....
LeaAnn and I used quite a few Sandraisms during a debate a couple weeks ago.
:)
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
And if it makes you feel any better Sandra, I got kicked off a list!! The big
old Altlearn map project, of which I was supposed to be "US contact" for,
decided I was entirely to outspoken.
I wasn't willing to go along with unschooling.com bashing or tv bashing among
other things. I was too radical and they decided to quickly silence me.
sigh....
AND, I use your quotes all the time with new/leaning towards unschooling....
LeaAnn and I used quite a few Sandraisms during a debate a couple weeks ago.
:)
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
Tia Leschke
> I got a book out of the library called Houses and Homes, a COOL kids' bookAnd
> with see-through pages, with stuff from prehistoric hunting camps to
> Biosphere 2, with archeological stuff that's new in the past few years.
> one of the big layouts is Sargon's Palace. An Assyrian king I'd neverheard
> of. Marty said, "Mom, are you serious? You've never heard of Sargon?I'm
> ALL about that."I just looked this up in out library catalog and there are 6 books with that
title by different authors. Do you still have it out to tell me the author?
I'd like to see that book.
Tia
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:53:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
~Kelly
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> And if it makes you feel any better Sandra, I got kicked off a list!! TheWOW! And you were one of their MOST vocal proponents! Bummer! (for them).
> big
> old Altlearn map project, of which I was supposed to be "US contact" for,
> decided I was entirely to outspoken.
> I wasn't willing to go along with unschooling.com bashing or tv bashing
> among
> other things. I was too radical and they decided to quickly silence me.
> sigh....
>
~Kelly
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:53:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
tall Brit and her husband, Patrick (big belly and grey beard) will take the
boys. Gillian teaches, but is a HUGE John Holt follower. She's still trying
to "convert" all the schools to be non-coersive. She KNOWS it won't work (but
then what was her doctorate for?).
Anyway, they've agreed to be "UNparents" and continue to unschool the boys if
Ben and I kick the bucket together. And that's how they're introduced---as
the boys' UNparents. They totally understand our philosophy and agree to
allow the boys total freedom of education and choice. It's in our new wills
with a trust fund set up for the boys.
It's doable.
~Kelly
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> I have this one most often. I was thinking about it just this morning andWe've taken care of that. For those of you at the conference, Gillian, the
> hoping that dh would figure out some way to make it work......just in case
tall Brit and her husband, Patrick (big belly and grey beard) will take the
boys. Gillian teaches, but is a HUGE John Holt follower. She's still trying
to "convert" all the schools to be non-coersive. She KNOWS it won't work (but
then what was her doctorate for?).
Anyway, they've agreed to be "UNparents" and continue to unschool the boys if
Ben and I kick the bucket together. And that's how they're introduced---as
the boys' UNparents. They totally understand our philosophy and agree to
allow the boys total freedom of education and choice. It's in our new wills
with a trust fund set up for the boys.
It's doable.
~Kelly
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Betsy
**Well, they can't throw me off the New Mexico list, since I'm the listowner.**
Yeah, and if they threaten to start their own spin-off lists, I doubt
that's gonna scare ya.
Betsy :-)
Yeah, and if they threaten to start their own spin-off lists, I doubt
that's gonna scare ya.
Betsy :-)
nellebelle
I went to school for 16+ years and got mostly A's, but I still feel dumb sometimes. AND I know I am ignorant of many things that were supposedly taught to me in school.
In college organic chemistry, first term I got a B. This was really scary, because I did not get it at all. It was graded on a curve. Second term, I got a D, because I was already lost going into it from first term. The D still earned me "credit" for the course, which enabled me to move on to organic chemistry where I was clueless from the get go. Managed to eke through with another B and D though. That all seems really dumb to me! Even with those two D's my final grade point was 3.7 or something like that. One more thing, the folks in my program who graduated with C averages found jobs just as easily as those with the A's and B's.
Mary Ellen
In college organic chemistry, first term I got a B. This was really scary, because I did not get it at all. It was graded on a curve. Second term, I got a D, because I was already lost going into it from first term. The D still earned me "credit" for the course, which enabled me to move on to organic chemistry where I was clueless from the get go. Managed to eke through with another B and D though. That all seems really dumb to me! Even with those two D's my final grade point was 3.7 or something like that. One more thing, the folks in my program who graduated with C averages found jobs just as easily as those with the A's and B's.
Mary Ellen
----- Original Message -----I worry that they'll think they're not as smart as kids who go to school are.
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/03 11:07:59 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< Yeah, and if they threaten to start their own spin-off lists, I doubt
that's gonna scare ya. >>
I told them they should, or that I would give the list to whoever wanted to
run it.
I rarely mention unschooling. It's the most boring list in the world.
Sandra
<< Yeah, and if they threaten to start their own spin-off lists, I doubt
that's gonna scare ya. >>
I told them they should, or that I would give the list to whoever wanted to
run it.
I rarely mention unschooling. It's the most boring list in the world.
Sandra
Dawn Falbe
I have to say Sandra that when I knew I was going back to self directed
learning for Zak this is the only list I wanted to come back too.
Mainly because of your leadership and the incredible things I've learned
by reading what you have written. The quality of women on this list is
wonderful and I learn so much. This is a list where I get my strength
from. Keep on saying what you have been saying. For one I'm very
supportive of your outspokenness.
Dawn
-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] fears
In a message dated 1/24/03 11:07:59 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< Yeah, and if they threaten to start their own spin-off lists, I doubt
that's gonna scare ya. >>
I told them they should, or that I would give the list to whoever wanted
to
run it.
I rarely mention unschooling. It's the most boring list in the world.
Sandra
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learning for Zak this is the only list I wanted to come back too.
Mainly because of your leadership and the incredible things I've learned
by reading what you have written. The quality of women on this list is
wonderful and I learn so much. This is a list where I get my strength
from. Keep on saying what you have been saying. For one I'm very
supportive of your outspokenness.
Dawn
-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] fears
In a message dated 1/24/03 11:07:59 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< Yeah, and if they threaten to start their own spin-off lists, I doubt
that's gonna scare ya. >>
I told them they should, or that I would give the list to whoever wanted
to
run it.
I rarely mention unschooling. It's the most boring list in the world.
Sandra
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:50:54 EST starsuncloud@... writes:
pretty good understanding of unschooling but he has 5 years until
retirement, so it might be tricky. I just can't die, really.
Dar
> In a message dated 1/24/03 2:42:49 AM Central Standard Time,I worry about this one. I figure Rain would go with my dad. He has a
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << I worry that I'll die and they'll have their peaceful unschooling
>
> disrupted. >>
>
> I have this one most often. I was thinking about it just this
> morning and
> hoping that dh would figure out some way to make it work......just
> in case.
pretty good understanding of unschooling but he has 5 years until
retirement, so it might be tricky. I just can't die, really.
Dar
Bill and Diane
I also worry that dh will die or become disabled and I won't be able to
muddle through and take care of them.
:-) Diane
muddle through and take care of them.
:-) Diane
>
>
><< I worry that I'll die and they'll have their peaceful unschooling
>disrupted. >>
>
>I have this one most often. I was thinking about it just this morning and
>hoping that dh would figure out some way to make it work......just in case.
>
Angela Hewerdine <[email protected]>
This morning my dd woke up after having a 'war dream'. She was in
tears, and started telling me that sometimes she gets scared that I
might die, a common childhood fear of mine, as well. After
reassuring her that we were all gonna be fine, we started talking
about the what ifs, and though it was a rather unpleasant subject, I
feel like I learned a little about what she might want in such a
situation, if ever it were to come up. I hate thinking about stuff
like that...things beyond our control. But I think it's always
better to have a back-up plan!
tears, and started telling me that sometimes she gets scared that I
might die, a common childhood fear of mine, as well. After
reassuring her that we were all gonna be fine, we started talking
about the what ifs, and though it was a rather unpleasant subject, I
feel like I learned a little about what she might want in such a
situation, if ever it were to come up. I hate thinking about stuff
like that...things beyond our control. But I think it's always
better to have a back-up plan!
--- In [email protected], starsuncloud@c... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/24/03 2:42:49 AM Central Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << I worry that I'll die and they'll have their peaceful
unschooling
> disrupted. >>
>
> I have this one most often. I was thinking about it just this
morning and
> hoping that dh would figure out some way to make it work......just
in case.
>
> Ren
> "The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
> people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented.
The
> complicated ones aren't."
> "Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/03 11:54:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
I think about this too. I believe that my DH would somehow make it work but
if something happened to the both of us I am not sure what would happen. I
have no one close to me that would even consider looking at unschooling or
even homeschooling for that matter. But we are never apart. There is never
a time that the two of us are alone, without the boys.
Pam G
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> <<I worry that I'll die and they'll have their peaceful unschoolingOh Ren,
> disrupted. >>
>
> I have this one most often. I was thinking about it just this morning and
> hoping that dh would figure out some way to make it work......just in case.
>
>
I think about this too. I believe that my DH would somehow make it work but
if something happened to the both of us I am not sure what would happen. I
have no one close to me that would even consider looking at unschooling or
even homeschooling for that matter. But we are never apart. There is never
a time that the two of us are alone, without the boys.
Pam G
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[email protected]
Hey Ren,
I'll be in your area in March. Maybe we could meet somewhere between
Pensacola and Fairhope! It would be fun to put together a name with a face.
Joy
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I'll be in your area in March. Maybe we could meet somewhere between
Pensacola and Fairhope! It would be fun to put together a name with a face.
Joy
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[email protected]
Sandra, if you only knew how much your words are being spread about. Like
the commercial "you tell two friends, and she tells two friends, and so on
and so on". My friends who aren't even interested in homeschooling can
probably have a discussion about Sandra Dodd because of what I'm forever
telling them. "Well, Sandra Dodd says...."
Recently on the unschooling boards, I said that your thoughts on testing is
what sold me on unschooling. It is true. A real paradigm shift. I was
nervous about unschooling and your thoughts about parents not needing to know
their children's scores blew me away. No, I should not ever need that (as if
it was a true measure anyway!) and if I didn't need a score, why would I need
to teach according to some prescribed plan? Wow. I don't need a test score
to recognize my children's worth...EVER! What made me ever think I did?
You made me realize that what I thought was good schooling was just an
intellectual superiority issue. You push me farther into non-coercive
parenting, giving real life examples of how it works. You never let me rest
on my laurels, always urging me on into the unknown, saying "come on in, the
water's fine."
You have an amazing ability to find the issue and succinctly (not my
talent!!) make a provocative point.
And you have fears. Pshew. I thought I was the only one.
Thank you for your work. My family would certainly not be here if it weren't
for you.
Leslie
the commercial "you tell two friends, and she tells two friends, and so on
and so on". My friends who aren't even interested in homeschooling can
probably have a discussion about Sandra Dodd because of what I'm forever
telling them. "Well, Sandra Dodd says...."
Recently on the unschooling boards, I said that your thoughts on testing is
what sold me on unschooling. It is true. A real paradigm shift. I was
nervous about unschooling and your thoughts about parents not needing to know
their children's scores blew me away. No, I should not ever need that (as if
it was a true measure anyway!) and if I didn't need a score, why would I need
to teach according to some prescribed plan? Wow. I don't need a test score
to recognize my children's worth...EVER! What made me ever think I did?
You made me realize that what I thought was good schooling was just an
intellectual superiority issue. You push me farther into non-coercive
parenting, giving real life examples of how it works. You never let me rest
on my laurels, always urging me on into the unknown, saying "come on in, the
water's fine."
You have an amazing ability to find the issue and succinctly (not my
talent!!) make a provocative point.
And you have fears. Pshew. I thought I was the only one.
Thank you for your work. My family would certainly not be here if it weren't
for you.
Leslie
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/03 11:57:20 AM, leschke@... writes:
<< I just looked this up in out library catalog and there are 6 books with
that
title by different authors. Do you still have it out to tell me the author?
I'd like to see that book. >>
Tim Wood
Viking Books
Sandra
<< I just looked this up in out library catalog and there are 6 books with
that
title by different authors. Do you still have it out to tell me the author?
I'd like to see that book. >>
Tim Wood
Viking Books
Sandra
[email protected]
WOW. Thanks.
I really wasn't fishing for compliments, but I needed the reassurance more
than I realized this week.
I forwarded this one to my husband!!! Thanks!
Sandra
In a message dated 1/24/03 3:03:42 PM, Leslie530@... writes:
<< Sandra, if you only knew how much your words are being spread about. Like
the commercial "you tell two friends, and she tells two friends, and so on
and so on". My friends who aren't even interested in homeschooling can
probably have a discussion about Sandra Dodd because of what I'm forever
telling them. "Well, Sandra Dodd says...."
Recently on the unschooling boards, I said that your thoughts on testing is
what sold me on unschooling. It is true. A real paradigm shift. I was
nervous about unschooling and your thoughts about parents not needing to know
their children's scores blew me away. No, I should not ever need that (as if
it was a true measure anyway!) and if I didn't need a score, why would I need
to teach according to some prescribed plan? Wow. I don't need a test score
to recognize my children's worth...EVER! What made me ever think I did?
You made me realize that what I thought was good schooling was just an
intellectual superiority issue. You push me farther into non-coercive
parenting, giving real life examples of how it works. You never let me rest
on my laurels, always urging me on into the unknown, saying "come on in, the
water's fine."
You have an amazing ability to find the issue and succinctly (not my
talent!!) make a provocative point.
And you have fears. Pshew. I thought I was the only one.
Thank you for your work. My family would certainly not be here if it weren't
for you.
Leslie
I really wasn't fishing for compliments, but I needed the reassurance more
than I realized this week.
I forwarded this one to my husband!!! Thanks!
Sandra
In a message dated 1/24/03 3:03:42 PM, Leslie530@... writes:
<< Sandra, if you only knew how much your words are being spread about. Like
the commercial "you tell two friends, and she tells two friends, and so on
and so on". My friends who aren't even interested in homeschooling can
probably have a discussion about Sandra Dodd because of what I'm forever
telling them. "Well, Sandra Dodd says...."
Recently on the unschooling boards, I said that your thoughts on testing is
what sold me on unschooling. It is true. A real paradigm shift. I was
nervous about unschooling and your thoughts about parents not needing to know
their children's scores blew me away. No, I should not ever need that (as if
it was a true measure anyway!) and if I didn't need a score, why would I need
to teach according to some prescribed plan? Wow. I don't need a test score
to recognize my children's worth...EVER! What made me ever think I did?
You made me realize that what I thought was good schooling was just an
intellectual superiority issue. You push me farther into non-coercive
parenting, giving real life examples of how it works. You never let me rest
on my laurels, always urging me on into the unknown, saying "come on in, the
water's fine."
You have an amazing ability to find the issue and succinctly (not my
talent!!) make a provocative point.
And you have fears. Pshew. I thought I was the only one.
Thank you for your work. My family would certainly not be here if it weren't
for you.
Leslie
>>
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/03 1:13:59 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< WOW! And you were one of their MOST vocal proponents! Bummer! (for them).
could simply not post. There was NO warning, no message asking me to change
my style NOTHING, I just got booted.
A really cool PA unschooler left the list just prior to my getting booted
because he picked up on the vibe that they didn't like ANY disagreement on
anything. They wanted harmony...period. (booorring)
Eileen asked what the heck happened and got herself booted too!!
It's certainly no democracy!! Hmmphf.
I wrote a letter to the list owner and told him in no uncertain terms exactly
what I thought of lists that ban people without any conversation whatsoever.
I didn't wish him good luck in his venture......snark snark
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
<< WOW! And you were one of their MOST vocal proponents! Bummer! (for them).
>>Yeah, that's what I told myself. It was the weirdest thing too...one day I
could simply not post. There was NO warning, no message asking me to change
my style NOTHING, I just got booted.
A really cool PA unschooler left the list just prior to my getting booted
because he picked up on the vibe that they didn't like ANY disagreement on
anything. They wanted harmony...period. (booorring)
Eileen asked what the heck happened and got herself booted too!!
It's certainly no democracy!! Hmmphf.
I wrote a letter to the list owner and told him in no uncertain terms exactly
what I thought of lists that ban people without any conversation whatsoever.
I didn't wish him good luck in his venture......snark snark
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/03 1:13:59 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Anyway, they've agreed to be "UNparents" and continue to unschool the boys
if
Ben and I kick the bucket together. And that's how they're introduced---as
the boys' UNparents. They totally understand our philosophy and agree to
allow the boys total freedom of education and choice. It's in our new wills
with a trust fund set up for the boys. >>
I'm not so worried if Mark and I died at the same time. My sis would take
them and she is really into non-spanking/non-coercive/eclectic homeschooling.
She's ALMOST a total, radical unschooler....I'm workin on her.
She has also said that if anything happened and she got our kids, she
wouldn't foist any curriculum on them, ever.
It's if I died that I worry. Mark would revert to his structured methods I am
quite sure. AND he'd put them in school. Mainly because I don't think he'd be
creative enough to think of a way to keep them out.
At least he wouldn't torture them over their grades or anything.
AND he'd honor any of their interests...he's enough of a rebel to give them
advice like "don't go to a music teacher that won't let you play the kind of
music YOU like" and such.
But I just can't see my freedom loving babies in a SCHOOL, ack! It'd be awful
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
<< Anyway, they've agreed to be "UNparents" and continue to unschool the boys
if
Ben and I kick the bucket together. And that's how they're introduced---as
the boys' UNparents. They totally understand our philosophy and agree to
allow the boys total freedom of education and choice. It's in our new wills
with a trust fund set up for the boys. >>
I'm not so worried if Mark and I died at the same time. My sis would take
them and she is really into non-spanking/non-coercive/eclectic homeschooling.
She's ALMOST a total, radical unschooler....I'm workin on her.
She has also said that if anything happened and she got our kids, she
wouldn't foist any curriculum on them, ever.
It's if I died that I worry. Mark would revert to his structured methods I am
quite sure. AND he'd put them in school. Mainly because I don't think he'd be
creative enough to think of a way to keep them out.
At least he wouldn't torture them over their grades or anything.
AND he'd honor any of their interests...he's enough of a rebel to give them
advice like "don't go to a music teacher that won't let you play the kind of
music YOU like" and such.
But I just can't see my freedom loving babies in a SCHOOL, ack! It'd be awful
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com