jennefer harper

Kelly, you're right on when you say:

"I'm guessing you've come to unschooling by examining
other educational
options. Weeded through them, looked at the pros and
cons, objectively
made some
JUDGMENT on what the best way to learn is."

This is exactly how I came to unschooling.

Kristina, you say:

"I guess for me
it's easier to refrain from judging outsiders, whose
decisions don't
really affect you in any way, than making judgments on
my own kid's
choices.

It may be *easier* for you, but that doesn't mean that
it's the better choice. And, like it or not,
"outsiders'" decisions DO affect us all. For example,
my partner is in favor of us sending our two sons to
the Eugene Waldorf School. *sigh* He knows ALL these
cool, "well adjusted" kids who went there and are now
in a good college. He has serious reservations about
our boys being unschooled. He's met quite a few kids
who have been "homeschooled" (he doesn't know if
they've been 'unschooled', but to him it's the same
thing although BELIEVE me, I'm working on him...) and
he says they are 'lost', didn't get a good education,
their parents were too lax and gave them too much
freedom (??). SO, all these 'outsiders' decisions are
affecting our family big time! Although I can respect
my partner's opinions and understanding (however
limited) of the Waldorf Education, and
'homeschooling'/unschooling, darn right I judge it!
Has he done enough research? (No.) Are his opinions
educated? (Not enough for me.) Yes I can listen
respectfully, but I can also disagree and judge his
opinions. All this, and still love him too.

Vijay, in your last post you comment:

"But this is Goethe's theory, not Steiner's. Did
Steiner claim to have
discovered this himself?"

-Vijay Berry Owens
SAHM to Charlotte, 14 months

This is very interesting, can you point to a resource?
I have very limited knowledge of Goethe, and don't
remember any 'color theory' of his, but would love to
know. I don't know if Steiner 'claimed' to have
discovered this 'color theory'. All that I have read
about it has been in terms of it's application and not
origins. As is with the majority of Steiner's
writings. If someone knows and/or can point us/me to
specific sources that address the origins of any of
his theories, that would be VERY helpful.

-Jennefer










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From the intro to "Hello Red Fox" a children's book about complementary
colors by Eric Carle.

"Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832) is celebrated as a great
German poet, novelist, and philosopher, but to him, his color theory was
his most important achievement.

One evening, about two hundred years ago, Goethe stopped at a tavern to
dine As he sat at his table, he gazed at the waitress who stood taking
an order at a nearby table. Her red dress stood out in sharp contrast to
the white wall behind her. When the waitress moved away, Goethe
continued to stare in the same direction at the wall.
Then a strange thing happened: on the white wall he saw a faint glowing
image of the waitress's dress -- but it was green not red! Why? This
moment of wonder led Goethe into more than twenty years of research on
color.

In 1810 he published Farbenlehre, his color theory. He determined that
there are three primary colors -- red, blue, and yellow -- from which
all other colors could be made, and that each color had an opposite or
complementary color."

Cool, huh?

-Vijay Berry Owens
SAHM to Charlotte, 14 months


On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 01:12 PM, jennefer harper wrote:

> Vijay, in your last post you comment:
>
> "But this is Goethe's theory, not Steiner's. Did
> Steiner claim to have
> discovered this himself?"
>
> -Vijay Berry Owens
> SAHM to Charlotte, 14 months
>
> This is very interesting, can you point to a resource?
> I have very limited knowledge of Goethe, and don't
> remember any 'color theory' of his, but would love to
> know.� I don't know if Steiner 'claimed' to have
> discovered this 'color theory'.� All that I have read
> about it has been in terms of it's application and not
> origins.� As is with the majority of Steiner's
> writings.� If someone knows and/or can point us/me to
> specific sources that address the origins of any of
> his theories, that would be VERY helpful.
>
> -Jennefer
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On Aug 10, 2004, at 1:12 PM, jennefer harper wrote:

> [I have very limited knowledge of Goethe, and don't
> remember any 'color theory' of his, but would love to
> know. <snip> If someone knows and/or can point us/me to
> specific sources that address the origins of any of
> his theories, that would be VERY helpful.]

"Rudolf Steiner's research, building on Goethe's color theory,
offers the painter a way to penetrate the objective laws of color
and discover how form grows out of the inherent gesture and
dynamic interplay of colors." from
http://www.steinercollege.edu/arts.html

There's lots more info out there. Just google "goethe color steiner"
and you'll find more links than you might even want to read. ;)
-Tracy-


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Holly Furgason

Steiner's theory was not that there were complimentary colors but how
color affected individuals.

Holly

--- In [email protected], Vijay Berry Owens
<vijayowens@e...> wrote:
> From the intro to "Hello Red Fox" a children's book about
complementary
> colors by Eric Carle.
>
> "Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832) is celebrated as a great
> German poet, novelist, and philosopher, but to him, his color
theory was
> his most important achievement.
>
> One evening, about two hundred years ago, Goethe stopped at a
tavern to
> dine As he sat at his table, he gazed at the waitress who stood
taking
> an order at a nearby table. Her red dress stood out in sharp
contrast to
> the white wall behind her. When the waitress moved away, Goethe
> continued to stare in the same direction at the wall.
> Then a strange thing happened: on the white wall he saw a faint
glowing
> image of the waitress's dress -- but it was green not red! Why?
This
> moment of wonder led Goethe into more than twenty years of research
on
> color.
>
> In 1810 he published Farbenlehre, his color theory. He determined
that
> there are three primary colors -- red, blue, and yellow -- from
which
> all other colors could be made, and that each color had an opposite
or
> complementary color."
>
> Cool, huh?
>
> -Vijay Berry Owens
> SAHM to Charlotte, 14 months
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 01:12 PM, jennefer harper wrote:
>
> > Vijay, in your last post you comment:
> >
> > "But this is Goethe's theory, not Steiner's. Did
> > Steiner claim to have
> > discovered this himself?"
> >
> > -Vijay Berry Owens
> > SAHM to Charlotte, 14 months
> >
> > This is very interesting, can you point to a resource?
> > I have very limited knowledge of Goethe, and don't
> > remember any 'color theory' of his, but would love to
> > know.  I don't know if Steiner 'claimed' to have
> > discovered this 'color theory'.  All that I have read
> > about it has been in terms of it's application and not
> > origins.  As is with the majority of Steiner's
> > writings.  If someone knows and/or can point us/me to
> > specific sources that address the origins of any of
> > his theories, that would be VERY helpful.
> >
> > -Jennefer
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Vijay Berry Owens

We're all getting mixed up because of multiple parallel threads and
snipping.

I was originally responding to the following:

> On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 01:12 PM, jennefer harper wrote:
>
> Here's some insight on "the color thing" with Steiner.
> It is, perhaps, in my opinion, the earliest form of
> ADHD propaganda.
>
> From, The Education of the Child, by Rudolph Steiner
> (p.20 and 21).
>
> Wow!� Be sure to try this:� "This can be seen very
> easily by looking for awile at a red or blue surface
> and then quickly looking at a white surface."
> (Steiner, see above.)
>
> -Jennefer

Best,

-Vijay Berry Owens

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On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 09:32 AM, Holly Furgason wrote:

> Steiner's theory was not that there were complimentary colors but how
> color affected individuals.
>
> Holly
>
> --- In [email protected], Vijay Berry Owens
> <vijayowens@e...> wrote:
> >� From the intro to "Hello Red Fox" a children's book about
> complementary
> > colors by Eric Carle.
> >
> > "Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832) is celebrated as a great
> > German poet, novelist, and philosopher, but to him, his color
> theory was
> > his most important achievement.
> >
> > One evening, about two hundred years ago, Goethe stopped at a
> tavern to
> > dine As he sat at his table, he gazed at the waitress who stood
> taking
> > an order at a nearby table. Her red dress stood out in sharp
> contrast to
> > the white wall behind her. When the waitress moved away, Goethe
> > continued to stare in the same direction at the wall.
> > Then a strange thing happened: on the white wall he saw a faint
> glowing
> > image of the waitress's dress -- but it was green not red! Why?
> This
> > moment of wonder led Goethe into more than twenty years of research
> on
> > color.
> >
> > In 1810 he published Farbenlehre, his color theory. He determined
> that
> > there are three primary colors -- red, blue, and yellow -- from
> which
> > all other colors could be made, and that each color had an opposite
> or
> > complementary color."
> >
> > Cool, huh?
> >
> > -Vijay Berry Owens
> > SAHM to Charlotte, 14 months
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 01:12 PM, jennefer harper wrote:
> >
> > > Vijay, in your last post you comment:
> > >
> > > "But this is Goethe's theory, not Steiner's. Did
> > > Steiner claim to have
> > > discovered this himself?"
> > >
> > > -Vijay Berry Owens
> > > SAHM to Charlotte, 14 months
> > >
> > > This is very interesting, can you point to a resource?
> > > I have very limited knowledge of Goethe, and don't
> > > remember any 'color theory' of his, but would love to
> > > know.� I don't know if Steiner 'claimed' to have
> > > discovered this 'color theory'.� All that I have read
> > > about it has been in terms of it's application and not
> > > origins.� As is with the majority of Steiner's
> > > writings.� If someone knows and/or can point us/me to
> > > specific sources that address the origins of any of
> > > his theories, that would be VERY helpful.
> > >
> > > -Jennefer
> > >


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<< We're all getting mixed up because of multiple parallel threads and

snipping. >>

If it's kept to just ideas, it won't matter. Don't quote too much, because
it's all in the archives still, and those who get digests will get it all
again.

Sandra