Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] chewing
Heather Hall
> Some people crunch ice.This is actually a sign of iron deficiency.
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Harriet 12.15.99
Crispin 01.25.02
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In a message dated 7/19/04 2:00:01 PM, Heatherette@... writes:
<< > Some people crunch ice.
This is actually a sign of iron deficiency. >>
If some people think that is sometimes a sign of iron deficiency, it doesn't
change the fact that some people just like to mess with ice when their drink
is gone.
"Actually" is too strong a word.
Sandra
<< > Some people crunch ice.
This is actually a sign of iron deficiency. >>
If some people think that is sometimes a sign of iron deficiency, it doesn't
change the fact that some people just like to mess with ice when their drink
is gone.
"Actually" is too strong a word.
Sandra
Dana Matt
I actually crunch ice because it's 105 degrees here
and it's really cooling and nice. I'm not iron
deficient...
Dana
in Montana
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and it's really cooling and nice. I'm not iron
deficient...
Dana
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Kristina Kahney
Hi everyone,
My name is Kristina, I live in TX with my 4 kiddos who are 7 (in 2 wks), 5, 3, 17 months and one due around October/November. I have always known I'd homeschool since my oldest was small and we've spend the last 7 year just living (and adding to our family :)
Now, it seems I'm having a bit of an anxiety attack, and realized I needed to find some like minded support. Unschooling and parenting in a non coercive way have been our lives, and we will be continuing in this way. But....with the sudden onslaught from family of "well, she's 7, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO????" has left me a little rattled and I'm frustrated that I allowed them to rattle me!!
However, I feel that in reality what these recent disagreements and conversations have done is pushed me to clarify and strengthen my own beliefs about the way we "educate" our children. I am happy to have found this group and look forward to learning from all of you wise people!
My question is I'd like to order some resources now, but wanting some opinions on which books people like best. My daughter has been asking for "number challenges" lately (she came up with this, basically like real life word problems). So, I wondered if she should have access to some of these cool math programs I've seen. I showed her (on the interned) and talked to her about Miquon and MathUSee and she says she wants me to get one for her to "play with". She actually asked for "that number game" for her birthday. So, I have no problem getting one...do you all have any experiences with either on of these? I'd love to hear opinions on either.
Also, are the series of books "Games for..(reading, writing, math)" a good resource? How about Family Math? I was attracted to this one.
Lastly, I just need some validation as to some common things I might want to have around the house for a 7 yo to have access to. I know it's obviously going to depend on his/her interests, but my daughter doesn't have any burning interests right now, she just has a beautiful life playing all day with her brothers and sister.
Thanks for a bit of hand holding here. I feel I'm at a point where I'm struggling a bit now, but truly feel I am going to come through this time much more confident and secure in our lifestyle choices.
Now, if they'd just leave me the hell alone about our upcoming unassisted birth.......:)
Kristina
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My name is Kristina, I live in TX with my 4 kiddos who are 7 (in 2 wks), 5, 3, 17 months and one due around October/November. I have always known I'd homeschool since my oldest was small and we've spend the last 7 year just living (and adding to our family :)
Now, it seems I'm having a bit of an anxiety attack, and realized I needed to find some like minded support. Unschooling and parenting in a non coercive way have been our lives, and we will be continuing in this way. But....with the sudden onslaught from family of "well, she's 7, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO????" has left me a little rattled and I'm frustrated that I allowed them to rattle me!!
However, I feel that in reality what these recent disagreements and conversations have done is pushed me to clarify and strengthen my own beliefs about the way we "educate" our children. I am happy to have found this group and look forward to learning from all of you wise people!
My question is I'd like to order some resources now, but wanting some opinions on which books people like best. My daughter has been asking for "number challenges" lately (she came up with this, basically like real life word problems). So, I wondered if she should have access to some of these cool math programs I've seen. I showed her (on the interned) and talked to her about Miquon and MathUSee and she says she wants me to get one for her to "play with". She actually asked for "that number game" for her birthday. So, I have no problem getting one...do you all have any experiences with either on of these? I'd love to hear opinions on either.
Also, are the series of books "Games for..(reading, writing, math)" a good resource? How about Family Math? I was attracted to this one.
Lastly, I just need some validation as to some common things I might want to have around the house for a 7 yo to have access to. I know it's obviously going to depend on his/her interests, but my daughter doesn't have any burning interests right now, she just has a beautiful life playing all day with her brothers and sister.
Thanks for a bit of hand holding here. I feel I'm at a point where I'm struggling a bit now, but truly feel I am going to come through this time much more confident and secure in our lifestyle choices.
Now, if they'd just leave me the hell alone about our upcoming unassisted birth.......:)
Kristina
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In a message dated 7/20/04 6:47:43 AM, kkahney@... writes:
<< My question is I'd like to order some resources now, but wanting some
opinions on which books people like best. >>
I think you should shift focus away from books, because it will draw you more
toward school-style formality and away from discovery.
-=-My daughter has been asking for "number challenges" lately (she came up
with this, basically like real life word problems).-=-
Real life "word problems" are in the real world. Do real things with her
that involve math. Plan days and outings, with time and expense. Rent videos.
How long do you have them? How long will it take to watch them? Do you have
time to re-watch or see the DVD extras?
But PLEASE please, please don't do it like a teacher. Be casual. Just talk,
don't quiz or dissect. The same kind of damage schools can do, you can do
at home. Don't.
-=-So, I wondered if she should have access to some of these cool math
programs I've seen. I showed her (on the interned) and talked to her about Miquon
and MathUSee and she says she wants me to get one for her to "play with". -=-
Then find something used, and play. Just play. Don't put it on a more
special shelf than puzzles and games.
-=-Also, are the series of books "Games for..(reading, writing, math)" a good
resource?-=-
About reading and writing, I say NO, no no.
There are some games you can pick up without buying a course or a workbook.
There are games you can just invent, playing with words and sounds and such.
Holly was talking to me about a Friends episode when Joey wrote a letter of
recommendation, and he used a thesaurus to replace all his plain words with
fancy words, replacing every single word even his name (Baby Kangaroo, for Joey).
Maybe play with a thesaurus and Word! <g> Maybe watch Friends for ideas.
-=-Lastly, I just need some validation as to some common things I might want
to have around the house for a 7 yo to have access to. I know it's obviously
going to depend on his/her interests, but my daughter doesn't have any burning
interests right now, she just has a beautiful life playing all day with her
brothers and sister. -=-
Then think of things to have around the house for all of them to have access
to. You don't need separate plans or stuff, probably.
There are more concrete ideas here:
http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
http://sandradodd.com/checklists
http://sandradodd.com/museum
and there's one I don't know the address off, and my browser is not working,
but I think it's in the library at unschooling.com. It's about a fantasy
shower-party for new unschoolers. It's called "Coming Out" or something like
that. It's linked down in
http://sandradodd.com/articles
Sandra
<< My question is I'd like to order some resources now, but wanting some
opinions on which books people like best. >>
I think you should shift focus away from books, because it will draw you more
toward school-style formality and away from discovery.
-=-My daughter has been asking for "number challenges" lately (she came up
with this, basically like real life word problems).-=-
Real life "word problems" are in the real world. Do real things with her
that involve math. Plan days and outings, with time and expense. Rent videos.
How long do you have them? How long will it take to watch them? Do you have
time to re-watch or see the DVD extras?
But PLEASE please, please don't do it like a teacher. Be casual. Just talk,
don't quiz or dissect. The same kind of damage schools can do, you can do
at home. Don't.
-=-So, I wondered if she should have access to some of these cool math
programs I've seen. I showed her (on the interned) and talked to her about Miquon
and MathUSee and she says she wants me to get one for her to "play with". -=-
Then find something used, and play. Just play. Don't put it on a more
special shelf than puzzles and games.
-=-Also, are the series of books "Games for..(reading, writing, math)" a good
resource?-=-
About reading and writing, I say NO, no no.
There are some games you can pick up without buying a course or a workbook.
There are games you can just invent, playing with words and sounds and such.
Holly was talking to me about a Friends episode when Joey wrote a letter of
recommendation, and he used a thesaurus to replace all his plain words with
fancy words, replacing every single word even his name (Baby Kangaroo, for Joey).
Maybe play with a thesaurus and Word! <g> Maybe watch Friends for ideas.
-=-Lastly, I just need some validation as to some common things I might want
to have around the house for a 7 yo to have access to. I know it's obviously
going to depend on his/her interests, but my daughter doesn't have any burning
interests right now, she just has a beautiful life playing all day with her
brothers and sister. -=-
Then think of things to have around the house for all of them to have access
to. You don't need separate plans or stuff, probably.
There are more concrete ideas here:
http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
http://sandradodd.com/checklists
http://sandradodd.com/museum
and there's one I don't know the address off, and my browser is not working,
but I think it's in the library at unschooling.com. It's about a fantasy
shower-party for new unschoolers. It's called "Coming Out" or something like
that. It's linked down in
http://sandradodd.com/articles
Sandra
J. Stauffer
<<<< I just need some validation as to some common things I might want to
have around the house for a 7 yo to have access to.>>>>>
At our house, our biggest learning comes from real live crafts, stuff an
adult might make, not the "tissue paper and toilet paper roll" stuff they
have for kids.
We have lots and lots of different kinds of animals. We cook from scratch
and mess with the recipes. We have an easel set up in the dining room for
painting and chalk. We go for walks and to the park. We have books to help
identify animals, plants and bugs.
<<<math challenges>>>
If you do real life stuff, the word problems are already built in for you.
Double a batch of cookies and figure out how many eggs you need now. Cut
pizza. Breed animals and figure out when they are due. Build a play house
and figure out all the math involved.
Don't see as you really need a curriculum.
Julie S.
have around the house for a 7 yo to have access to.>>>>>
At our house, our biggest learning comes from real live crafts, stuff an
adult might make, not the "tissue paper and toilet paper roll" stuff they
have for kids.
We have lots and lots of different kinds of animals. We cook from scratch
and mess with the recipes. We have an easel set up in the dining room for
painting and chalk. We go for walks and to the park. We have books to help
identify animals, plants and bugs.
<<<math challenges>>>
If you do real life stuff, the word problems are already built in for you.
Double a batch of cookies and figure out how many eggs you need now. Cut
pizza. Breed animals and figure out when they are due. Build a play house
and figure out all the math involved.
Don't see as you really need a curriculum.
Julie S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristina Kahney" <kkahney@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:58 AM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] new and intro
> Hi everyone,
> My name is Kristina, I live in TX with my 4 kiddos who are 7 (in 2 wks),
5, 3, 17 months and one due around October/November. I have always known I'd
homeschool since my oldest was small and we've spend the last 7 year just
living (and adding to our family :)
>
> Now, it seems I'm having a bit of an anxiety attack, and realized I needed
to find some like minded support. Unschooling and parenting in a non
coercive way have been our lives, and we will be continuing in this way.
But....with the sudden onslaught from family of "well, she's 7, NOW WHAT ARE
YOU GOING TO DO????" has left me a little rattled and I'm frustrated that I
allowed them to rattle me!!
>
> However, I feel that in reality what these recent disagreements and
conversations have done is pushed me to clarify and strengthen my own
beliefs about the way we "educate" our children. I am happy to have found
this group and look forward to learning from all of you wise people!
>
> My question is I'd like to order some resources now, but wanting some
opinions on which books people like best. My daughter has been asking for
"number challenges" lately (she came up with this, basically like real life
word problems). So, I wondered if she should have access to some of these
cool math programs I've seen. I showed her (on the interned) and talked to
her about Miquon and MathUSee and she says she wants me to get one for her
to "play with". She actually asked for "that number game" for her birthday.
So, I have no problem getting one...do you all have any experiences with
either on of these? I'd love to hear opinions on either.
>
> Also, are the series of books "Games for..(reading, writing, math)" a good
resource? How about Family Math? I was attracted to this one.
>
> Lastly, I know it's obviously going to depend on his/her interests, but my
daughter doesn't have any burning interests right now, she just has a
beautiful life playing all day with her brothers and sister.
>
> Thanks for a bit of hand holding here. I feel I'm at a point where I'm
struggling a bit now, but truly feel I am going to come through this time
much more confident and secure in our lifestyle choices.
>
> Now, if they'd just leave me the hell alone about our upcoming unassisted
birth.......:)
> Kristina
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In a message dated 7/20/2004 10:37:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jnjstau@... writes:
Breed animals and figure out when they are due.<<<<<
Or VIRTUALLY breed animals and figure out when they're due. PLEASE don't
breed your dog or cat *just* for the "learning experience"! Please. Do it only
if you can a particular goal for that breed.
~Kelly, gloves on for soapboxing
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
jnjstau@... writes:
Breed animals and figure out when they are due.<<<<<
Or VIRTUALLY breed animals and figure out when they're due. PLEASE don't
breed your dog or cat *just* for the "learning experience"! Please. Do it only
if you can a particular goal for that breed.
~Kelly, gloves on for soapboxing
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
pam sorooshian
First - you do sound like you're thinking in very schoolish terms, so
you might spend some more time reading unschooling informaion before
spending money on ANYTHING that you think is 'educational.' Your
opinion of what is and isn't educational is likely to change
considerably over the next few months, if you are educating yourself
about unschooling during that time.
However - that said - the series of books by Peggy Kaye, "Games for
Reading," "Games for Math," etc., is a good resource for those who
don't have the imagination themselves to invent quick little games for
playing with words and numbers. Use them to help yourself learn to be
able to come up with fun little games on your own, on the spot, when
something arises or when you have some waiting time to fill.
Buy them used or get them at the library, by the way, they've been
around a long time and are available all over.
I'd say do not buy miquon or math-u-see. They are both formal math
programs. Kids I know who have had to use math-u-see have ended up just
like most schooled kids with ability to do computations if the problem
is presented in the form that they learned it in their "math class" -
but little ability to know when to use a computational skill and little
understanding of the underlying concepts and therefore relatively quick
loss of skill to use it at all. This program has an approach that
really emphasis "how to do" rather than "when or why to do" math and
doesn't at all promote understanding. Miquon is a bit different because
it uses cuisineairre rods and so has that hands-on attribute going for
it - BUT there is nothing in the Miquon workbooks - NOTHING - that
would not come up in regular life in a more natural way. My youngest
daughter liked workbooks and I thought the Miquon ones would be good
for her but I discovered one BIG flaw in them - a kid can't do them
alone, there are no directions to the kid - the directions are in the
separate teacher's guide. And the workbook pages are not at all
self-explanatory - there is no way for the kid to know what they're
supposed to do on a page. The hidden lesson (not very hidden) in this
is that you can't learn without instruction from a parent/teacher. It
is the opposite of "empowering the learner." Bugs me.
-pam
you might spend some more time reading unschooling informaion before
spending money on ANYTHING that you think is 'educational.' Your
opinion of what is and isn't educational is likely to change
considerably over the next few months, if you are educating yourself
about unschooling during that time.
However - that said - the series of books by Peggy Kaye, "Games for
Reading," "Games for Math," etc., is a good resource for those who
don't have the imagination themselves to invent quick little games for
playing with words and numbers. Use them to help yourself learn to be
able to come up with fun little games on your own, on the spot, when
something arises or when you have some waiting time to fill.
Buy them used or get them at the library, by the way, they've been
around a long time and are available all over.
I'd say do not buy miquon or math-u-see. They are both formal math
programs. Kids I know who have had to use math-u-see have ended up just
like most schooled kids with ability to do computations if the problem
is presented in the form that they learned it in their "math class" -
but little ability to know when to use a computational skill and little
understanding of the underlying concepts and therefore relatively quick
loss of skill to use it at all. This program has an approach that
really emphasis "how to do" rather than "when or why to do" math and
doesn't at all promote understanding. Miquon is a bit different because
it uses cuisineairre rods and so has that hands-on attribute going for
it - BUT there is nothing in the Miquon workbooks - NOTHING - that
would not come up in regular life in a more natural way. My youngest
daughter liked workbooks and I thought the Miquon ones would be good
for her but I discovered one BIG flaw in them - a kid can't do them
alone, there are no directions to the kid - the directions are in the
separate teacher's guide. And the workbook pages are not at all
self-explanatory - there is no way for the kid to know what they're
supposed to do on a page. The hidden lesson (not very hidden) in this
is that you can't learn without instruction from a parent/teacher. It
is the opposite of "empowering the learner." Bugs me.
-pam
On Jul 20, 2004, at 7:06 AM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
> -=-Also, are the series of books "Games for..(reading, writing, math)"
> a good
> resource?-=-
>
> About reading and writing, I say NO, no no.
>
> There are some games you can pick up without buying a course or a
> workbook.
> There are games you can just invent, playing with words and sounds and
> such.
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> Now, if they'd just leave me the hell alone aboutHi, Kristina, from another unassisted-birther :)
> our upcoming unassisted birth.......:)
> Kristina
I have a 6 yo and an almost 12 yo, and I don't think I
have anything special in the house that would impress
the relatives....We have three TV's, 2 DVD's 2 VCR's,
a playstation and a computer--does that count? ;)
Like someone else said, my kids like to do REAL
stuff--not kid-craft stuff. They like to weave on
real looms, and spin wool with a real spinning wheel,
and tie-dye clothes for themselves to wear, and knit
real scarves to wear, and cook real food that the
family will eat....etc. Their art work is beautiful
and gets hung on the walls in frames, as it would if
it were from any other artist. Their pottery pieces
are eaten out of at meal times, along with pottery
pieces from mom and dad...They read exciting books,
and write exciting books....they search for things
that interest them on the internet, with no one
hanging over their shoulders making sure what they
find is "appropriate"...they talk to people in the
community about their interests....they volunteer...
Anyway, these are just a few ideas....Mostly I wanted
to say "hi" :)
Dana
in Montana
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>From: [email protected]There are plenty of animals to breed that aren't dogs and cats, and most of
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Digest Number 4788
>Date: Tue, Jul 20, 2004, 11:02 AM
>
> Breed animals and figure out when they are due.<<<<<
>
> Or VIRTUALLY breed animals and figure out when they're due. PLEASE don't
> breed your dog or cat *just* for the "learning experience"! Please. Do it only
> if you can a particular goal for that breed.
those animals are edible by you or something else. I have no problems at all
disposing of unwanted rabbits in our fancy rabbit breeding program -- they
go to the University of California at Davis Raptor Rescue center, and I hear
the hawks, eagles, and owls there find them delicious.
Rats can be bred for snake food and sale to pet shops. Ditto many small
rodents.
If land is available, larger livestock can be kept, but almost everyone can
keep a few rabbits and donate or sell the results to carnivores everywhere.
Pam
J. Stauffer
<<<< If land is available, larger livestock can be kept, but almost everyone
can
Exactly. I have to say that we have never bred dogs or cats....but now give
me a goat, a bunny, a chicken......
We breed lots and lots of animals but all the babies are either sold, ate or
maintained by us.
Julie S.
can
> keep a few rabbits and donate or sell the results to carnivoreseverywhere.>>>>
Exactly. I have to say that we have never bred dogs or cats....but now give
me a goat, a bunny, a chicken......
We breed lots and lots of animals but all the babies are either sold, ate or
maintained by us.
Julie S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pam Hartley" <pamhartley@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:25 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: new and intro
> >From: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Digest Number 4788
> >Date: Tue, Jul 20, 2004, 11:02 AM
> >
>
> > Breed animals and figure out when they are due.<<<<<
> >
> > Or VIRTUALLY breed animals and figure out when they're due. PLEASE don't
> > breed your dog or cat *just* for the "learning experience"! Please. Do
it only
> > if you can a particular goal for that breed.
>
>
> There are plenty of animals to breed that aren't dogs and cats, and most
of
> those animals are edible by you or something else. I have no problems at
all
> disposing of unwanted rabbits in our fancy rabbit breeding program -- they
> go to the University of California at Davis Raptor Rescue center, and I
hear
> the hawks, eagles, and owls there find them delicious.
>
> Rats can be bred for snake food and sale to pet shops. Ditto many small
> rodents.
>
> If land is available, larger livestock can be kept, but almost everyone
can
> keep a few rabbits and donate or sell the results to carnivores
everywhere.
>
> Pam
>
>
>
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