Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
Sonia Ulan
Just want to say Karen, that I really respect you and all the other
moms/dads who have given up a second income to be home raising your
kids! It's very true that too many others seem threatened by that
choice...perhaps hit with a pang of guilt with the awareness you are
doing the "right thing". My husband and I are having to re-explore that
choice again for ourselves...with dramatic changes in our income/career
situation. There's no doubt life can be easier in a lot of ways with a
few extra $$thousand$$, but I think it's far too easy to under-estimate
what other price is paid for a second income. And besides, I thought
the whole feminist movement for equality was about "Choice" for women.
Why are we so often pressured by society that we don't measure up and
aren't real women if we prefer the domestic life and make our children
our priority?
HPaulson5@... wrote:
moms/dads who have given up a second income to be home raising your
kids! It's very true that too many others seem threatened by that
choice...perhaps hit with a pang of guilt with the awareness you are
doing the "right thing". My husband and I are having to re-explore that
choice again for ourselves...with dramatic changes in our income/career
situation. There's no doubt life can be easier in a lot of ways with a
few extra $$thousand$$, but I think it's far too easy to under-estimate
what other price is paid for a second income. And besides, I thought
the whole feminist movement for equality was about "Choice" for women.
Why are we so often pressured by society that we don't measure up and
aren't real women if we prefer the domestic life and make our children
our priority?
HPaulson5@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/20/00 4:43:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
> NumoAstro@... writes:
>
> << Something one of them told
> me was that I would probably end up changing all my friends as the ones I
> have now, who don't homeschool or unschool, will probably feel threatened by
> what I'm doing and to expect a backlash. >>
>
> There is always a chance that this could happen-- it did happen with one
> of my friends. She first knew me and my husband as "dinks"- dual income, no
> kids-- then we adopted our first child, and my friend was thrilled about it;
> then I decided to quit my job as a teacher to stay home full time, and our
> relationship began to change from this point. Then I became pregnant when my
> first son was about 17 mos, and we grew apart more, but I don't really know
> why. She had a baby before I adopted, so it's not that she couldn't be a
> mother. After we tried the preschool routine for a few months and decided to
> homeschool, she must have thought I'd gone off the deep end. Her child has
> always gone to daycare before going to preschool and onto reg. school, so we
> approached child rearing completely differently. Well, then I got pregnant
> when my second child was 2, and she commented that she couldn't believe that
> I was pregnant AGAIN, as if I had 12 children already. So, we still are
> "Nice" to each other, but we do not really socialize any more, as we just do
> not have much in common. Our kids, however, do play almost daily! I guess
> to her I have probably changed so much. I probably seem like I'm trying to
> be "mother earth" as I restrict refined sugars from our foods as much as
> possible; I cook/bake/sew/garden as much as I can, too. We used to shop
> more, eat out more, wear new clothes more often, travel more, etc... but it
> is not as possible now with three little ones . My dh is a police officer,
> so he is able to work off duty to supplement our income, since I do not earn
> an income now. I think this irritates my friend, too. It would seem to her,
> that I am being selfish or something, and that my "poor" husband is working
> all of the time. He has said that this is what he wants, and that he would
> not want our kids in daycare, but still, she will think what she wants to.
> Oh well, I have other relationships that have not changed at all, or have
> gotten stronger, after my staying home and our deciding to homeschool, and I
> have met people through homeschooling; so overall, I think it is working out
> for the best! :) ~karen
>
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In a message dated 6/20/00 4:43:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
NumoAstro@... writes:
<< Something one of them told
me was that I would probably end up changing all my friends as the ones I
have now, who don't homeschool or unschool, will probably feel threatened by
what I'm doing and to expect a backlash. >>
There is always a chance that this could happen-- it did happen with one
of my friends. She first knew me and my husband as "dinks"- dual income, no
kids-- then we adopted our first child, and my friend was thrilled about it;
then I decided to quit my job as a teacher to stay home full time, and our
relationship began to change from this point. Then I became pregnant when my
first son was about 17 mos, and we grew apart more, but I don't really know
why. She had a baby before I adopted, so it's not that she couldn't be a
mother. After we tried the preschool routine for a few months and decided to
homeschool, she must have thought I'd gone off the deep end. Her child has
always gone to daycare before going to preschool and onto reg. school, so we
approached child rearing completely differently. Well, then I got pregnant
when my second child was 2, and she commented that she couldn't believe that
I was pregnant AGAIN, as if I had 12 children already. So, we still are
"Nice" to each other, but we do not really socialize any more, as we just do
not have much in common. Our kids, however, do play almost daily! I guess
to her I have probably changed so much. I probably seem like I'm trying to
be "mother earth" as I restrict refined sugars from our foods as much as
possible; I cook/bake/sew/garden as much as I can, too. We used to shop
more, eat out more, wear new clothes more often, travel more, etc... but it
is not as possible now with three little ones . My dh is a police officer,
so he is able to work off duty to supplement our income, since I do not earn
an income now. I think this irritates my friend, too. It would seem to her,
that I am being selfish or something, and that my "poor" husband is working
all of the time. He has said that this is what he wants, and that he would
not want our kids in daycare, but still, she will think what she wants to.
Oh well, I have other relationships that have not changed at all, or have
gotten stronger, after my staying home and our deciding to homeschool, and I
have met people through homeschooling; so overall, I think it is working out
for the best! :) ~karen
NumoAstro@... writes:
<< Something one of them told
me was that I would probably end up changing all my friends as the ones I
have now, who don't homeschool or unschool, will probably feel threatened by
what I'm doing and to expect a backlash. >>
There is always a chance that this could happen-- it did happen with one
of my friends. She first knew me and my husband as "dinks"- dual income, no
kids-- then we adopted our first child, and my friend was thrilled about it;
then I decided to quit my job as a teacher to stay home full time, and our
relationship began to change from this point. Then I became pregnant when my
first son was about 17 mos, and we grew apart more, but I don't really know
why. She had a baby before I adopted, so it's not that she couldn't be a
mother. After we tried the preschool routine for a few months and decided to
homeschool, she must have thought I'd gone off the deep end. Her child has
always gone to daycare before going to preschool and onto reg. school, so we
approached child rearing completely differently. Well, then I got pregnant
when my second child was 2, and she commented that she couldn't believe that
I was pregnant AGAIN, as if I had 12 children already. So, we still are
"Nice" to each other, but we do not really socialize any more, as we just do
not have much in common. Our kids, however, do play almost daily! I guess
to her I have probably changed so much. I probably seem like I'm trying to
be "mother earth" as I restrict refined sugars from our foods as much as
possible; I cook/bake/sew/garden as much as I can, too. We used to shop
more, eat out more, wear new clothes more often, travel more, etc... but it
is not as possible now with three little ones . My dh is a police officer,
so he is able to work off duty to supplement our income, since I do not earn
an income now. I think this irritates my friend, too. It would seem to her,
that I am being selfish or something, and that my "poor" husband is working
all of the time. He has said that this is what he wants, and that he would
not want our kids in daycare, but still, she will think what she wants to.
Oh well, I have other relationships that have not changed at all, or have
gotten stronger, after my staying home and our deciding to homeschool, and I
have met people through homeschooling; so overall, I think it is working out
for the best! :) ~karen
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Karen:
As usual a wonderful inspirational message for me to remember... I talked to
my best friend yesterday who is having marriage problems, compounded by the
fact that he kids are really wild since attending pre-school and she was sort
of quiet about the whole thing (except for the screaming and shouting she did
to her kids, while we were on the phone)... She did say she couldn't do it
because she would kill them as they drove her crazy now without being with
them all day and of course that brought up all fears in me of being "stuck"
with 2 screaming children and I'd be helpless. That thought quickly passed
when I realized I was in a different kind of marriage to her and had 2 very
different children to her. My husband decided this morning to devise a plan
to give to his boss where he trains somebody else up to the next level
whereby they can have the office covered (he's in computers) from 5am - 9pm.
He is also going to suggest that he works from 5am -1pm and the other guy the
other 8 hours. This way he'll be able to be at home as well in the
afternoons with the kids. This has also helped with my fears of "can I
cope"... Hubbie says if they won't go for it, I'll quit and start my own
business, which is the goal anyway. It's all change in this household (LOL)
Dawn F
As usual a wonderful inspirational message for me to remember... I talked to
my best friend yesterday who is having marriage problems, compounded by the
fact that he kids are really wild since attending pre-school and she was sort
of quiet about the whole thing (except for the screaming and shouting she did
to her kids, while we were on the phone)... She did say she couldn't do it
because she would kill them as they drove her crazy now without being with
them all day and of course that brought up all fears in me of being "stuck"
with 2 screaming children and I'd be helpless. That thought quickly passed
when I realized I was in a different kind of marriage to her and had 2 very
different children to her. My husband decided this morning to devise a plan
to give to his boss where he trains somebody else up to the next level
whereby they can have the office covered (he's in computers) from 5am - 9pm.
He is also going to suggest that he works from 5am -1pm and the other guy the
other 8 hours. This way he'll be able to be at home as well in the
afternoons with the kids. This has also helped with my fears of "can I
cope"... Hubbie says if they won't go for it, I'll quit and start my own
business, which is the goal anyway. It's all change in this household (LOL)
Dawn F
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Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated." - The Indigo Girls
I found another work-at-home site that might interest you:
www.alternativeparenting.com/family/wahm.htm
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Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated." - The Indigo Girls
Pris
Hi Dawn ...
ahhhhhhhh mannnnnnnn, I wished I had a dime for everytime I've heard this
comment from non-h-s'ing fms <she couldn't do it because she would kill them
as they drove her crazy now without being with them all day> ... well,
there is a BIG DIFFERENCE b/t the dch who aren't exposed to all the negative
influences of public/private schools and those who are ... among other
things, h-s'd ch are just NICER, well rounded and respectful little
individuals to be around ... YES, granted we ALL have THOSE DAYS when we
(mom) want to run away from home but I've found one thing that has really
helped our fm *enormously* is getting outside *daily* to EXERCISE!!! my
excuse is we *need* to walk the dogs @ the neighborhood track (both
Dalmatians are very *HIGH~STRUNG~HYPER~HYPOS*, bless their hearts) ... the
boys usually end up running Charlie and Dottie and I walk my 2~miler (daily)
... honestly, this gives everyone, including the dogs, a chance to enjoy
some nice fresh air, clear our noggins and let get those little endorphines
*singing* in our heads AND our dispositions are SOOOOOOOooooooooo much
nicer, yes even our canine pals, too (not that we have a prob in this dept,
lol) ...
... honestly, I believe if someone doesn't want to h-s then they PROB
shouldn't ... I also think it's really sad when they use their dch as THE
excuse instead of saying "I JUST DON"T WANT TO H-S!!!" ...
Pris
ahhhhhhhh mannnnnnnn, I wished I had a dime for everytime I've heard this
comment from non-h-s'ing fms <she couldn't do it because she would kill them
as they drove her crazy now without being with them all day> ... well,
there is a BIG DIFFERENCE b/t the dch who aren't exposed to all the negative
influences of public/private schools and those who are ... among other
things, h-s'd ch are just NICER, well rounded and respectful little
individuals to be around ... YES, granted we ALL have THOSE DAYS when we
(mom) want to run away from home but I've found one thing that has really
helped our fm *enormously* is getting outside *daily* to EXERCISE!!! my
excuse is we *need* to walk the dogs @ the neighborhood track (both
Dalmatians are very *HIGH~STRUNG~HYPER~HYPOS*, bless their hearts) ... the
boys usually end up running Charlie and Dottie and I walk my 2~miler (daily)
... honestly, this gives everyone, including the dogs, a chance to enjoy
some nice fresh air, clear our noggins and let get those little endorphines
*singing* in our heads AND our dispositions are SOOOOOOOooooooooo much
nicer, yes even our canine pals, too (not that we have a prob in this dept,
lol) ...
... honestly, I believe if someone doesn't want to h-s then they PROB
shouldn't ... I also think it's really sad when they use their dch as THE
excuse instead of saying "I JUST DON"T WANT TO H-S!!!" ...
Pris
----- Original Message -----
From: <NumoAstro@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
> Karen:
>
> As usual a wonderful inspirational message for me to remember... I talked
to
> my best friend yesterday who is having marriage problems, compounded by
the
> fact that he kids are really wild since attending pre-school and she was
sort
> of quiet about the whole thing (except for the screaming and shouting she
did
> to her kids, while we were on the phone)... She did say she couldn't do it
> because she would kill them as they drove her crazy now without being with
> them all day and of course that brought up all fears in me of being
"stuck"
> with 2 screaming children and I'd be helpless. That thought quickly
passed
> when I realized I was in a different kind of marriage to her and had 2
very
> different children to her. My husband decided this morning to devise a
plan
> to give to his boss where he trains somebody else up to the next level
> whereby they can have the office covered (he's in computers) from 5am -
9pm.
> He is also going to suggest that he works from 5am -1pm and the other guy
the
> other 8 hours. This way he'll be able to be at home as well in the
> afternoons with the kids. This has also helped with my fears of "can I
> cope"... Hubbie says if they won't go for it, I'll quit and start my own
> business, which is the goal anyway. It's all change in this household
(LOL)
>
> Dawn F
>
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Shannon CC
I can relate! My poor dh has lost his bf cuz we had a child. We do not
know the details but after years of trying, they announced that she
cannot have children. They then told us that being childless was better
and all their friends with kids were miserable. A month later (you
guessed it!) we got pg. They have been nothing but supportive and sent
cards and think she's adorable, but since we got pg, they simply can't
seem to find the time to see us. We see them once a year at Christmas
and that's it. I feel bad for her and do understand why she might not
want to be around us. Luckily, every now and then dh gets to see his bf
(the dh) when his wife goes out of town.
I had a very good friend in college who was devastated when I announced
I was getting married. She thought I was selling out or being too
"mainstream" or something. When I told her I was pg, she never even
replied to my email (I did not, and still do not have her phone number).
We get a card once a year on Christmas. She includes dd in her
greetings, but does not call, no longer invites us over and does not
return letters.
I guess it's just natural that you drift apart from some people. I was
saddened this past Memorial Day weekend when I realized I was drifting
from my old college friends. We got along really well when I was
drinking and partying. Now that I'm married and a mom, I have nothing to
talk about with them (how many times can you listen to the same "I was
soooooo drunk" story?).
I think if you are real friends then the friendship survives. If you are
only friends cuz of something external (go to the same college, both
like to drink, both breastfeed etc.) then that friendship will not last
when that external factor is gone (graduate, go on the wagon, the child
weans, etc). Boy, do I sound like an after school special? LOL! :-)
Shannon, Mom to Bridget (Oct.8.98)
HPaulson5@... wrote:
know the details but after years of trying, they announced that she
cannot have children. They then told us that being childless was better
and all their friends with kids were miserable. A month later (you
guessed it!) we got pg. They have been nothing but supportive and sent
cards and think she's adorable, but since we got pg, they simply can't
seem to find the time to see us. We see them once a year at Christmas
and that's it. I feel bad for her and do understand why she might not
want to be around us. Luckily, every now and then dh gets to see his bf
(the dh) when his wife goes out of town.
I had a very good friend in college who was devastated when I announced
I was getting married. She thought I was selling out or being too
"mainstream" or something. When I told her I was pg, she never even
replied to my email (I did not, and still do not have her phone number).
We get a card once a year on Christmas. She includes dd in her
greetings, but does not call, no longer invites us over and does not
return letters.
I guess it's just natural that you drift apart from some people. I was
saddened this past Memorial Day weekend when I realized I was drifting
from my old college friends. We got along really well when I was
drinking and partying. Now that I'm married and a mom, I have nothing to
talk about with them (how many times can you listen to the same "I was
soooooo drunk" story?).
I think if you are real friends then the friendship survives. If you are
only friends cuz of something external (go to the same college, both
like to drink, both breastfeed etc.) then that friendship will not last
when that external factor is gone (graduate, go on the wagon, the child
weans, etc). Boy, do I sound like an after school special? LOL! :-)
Shannon, Mom to Bridget (Oct.8.98)
HPaulson5@... wrote:
> There is always a chance that this could happen-- it did happen with one
> of my friends. She first knew me and my husband as "dinks"- dual income, no
> kids-- then we adopted our first child, and my friend was thrilled about it;
> then I decided to quit my job as a teacher to stay home full time, and our
> relationship began to change from this point. Then I became pregnant when my
> first son was about 17 mos, and we grew apart more, but I don't really know
> why. She had a baby before I adopted, so it's not that she couldn't be a
> mother. After we tried the preschool routine for a few months and decided to
> homeschool, she must have thought I'd gone off the deep end. Her child has
> always gone to daycare before going to preschool and onto reg. school, so we
> approached child rearing completely differently. Well, then I got pregnant
> when my second child was 2, and she commented that she couldn't believe that
> I was pregnant AGAIN, as if I had 12 children already. So, we still are
> "Nice" to each other, but we do not really socialize any more, as we just do
> not have much in common. Our kids, however, do play almost daily! I guess
> to her I have probably changed so much. I probably seem like I'm trying to
> be "mother earth" as I restrict refined sugars from our foods as much as
> possible; I cook/bake/sew/garden as much as I can, too. We used to shop
> more, eat out more, wear new clothes more often, travel more, etc... but it
> is not as possible now with three little ones . My dh is a police officer,
> so he is able to work off duty to supplement our income, since I do not earn
> an income now. I think this irritates my friend, too. It would seem to her,
> that I am being selfish or something, and that my "poor" husband is working
> all of the time. He has said that this is what he wants, and that he would
> not want our kids in daycare, but still, she will think what she wants to.
> Oh well, I have other relationships that have not changed at all, or have
> gotten stronger, after my staying home and our deciding to homeschool, and I
> have met people through homeschooling; so overall, I think it is working out
> for the best! :) ~karen
>
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in my opinion these people shouldn't even be parents, never mind hsers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Pris <x_t_sipr@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
> Hi Dawn ...
>
> ahhhhhhhh mannnnnnnn, I wished I had a dime for everytime I've heard this
> comment from non-h-s'ing fms <she couldn't do it because she would kill
them
> as they drove her crazy now without being with them all day> ... well,
> there is a BIG DIFFERENCE b/t the dch who aren't exposed to all the
negative
> influences of public/private schools and those who are ... among other
> things, h-s'd ch are just NICER, well rounded and respectful little
> individuals to be around ... YES, granted we ALL have THOSE DAYS when we
> (mom) want to run away from home but I've found one thing that has really
> helped our fm *enormously* is getting outside *daily* to EXERCISE!!! my
> excuse is we *need* to walk the dogs @ the neighborhood track (both
> Dalmatians are very *HIGH~STRUNG~HYPER~HYPOS*, bless their hearts) ...
the
> boys usually end up running Charlie and Dottie and I walk my 2~miler
(daily)
> ... honestly, this gives everyone, including the dogs, a chance to enjoy
> some nice fresh air, clear our noggins and let get those little
endorphines
> *singing* in our heads AND our dispositions are SOOOOOOOooooooooo much
> nicer, yes even our canine pals, too (not that we have a prob in this
dept,
> lol) ...
>
> ... honestly, I believe if someone doesn't want to h-s then they PROB
> shouldn't ... I also think it's really sad when they use their dch as THE
> excuse instead of saying "I JUST DON"T WANT TO H-S!!!" ...
>
> Pris
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <NumoAstro@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
>
>
> > Karen:
> >
> > As usual a wonderful inspirational message for me to remember... I
talked
> to
> > my best friend yesterday who is having marriage problems, compounded by
> the
> > fact that he kids are really wild since attending pre-school and she was
> sort
> > of quiet about the whole thing (except for the screaming and shouting
she
> did
> > to her kids, while we were on the phone)... She did say she couldn't do
it
> > because she would kill them as they drove her crazy now without being
with
> > them all day and of course that brought up all fears in me of being
> "stuck"
> > with 2 screaming children and I'd be helpless. That thought quickly
> passed
> > when I realized I was in a different kind of marriage to her and had 2
> very
> > different children to her. My husband decided this morning to devise a
> plan
> > to give to his boss where he trains somebody else up to the next level
> > whereby they can have the office covered (he's in computers) from 5am -
> 9pm.
> > He is also going to suggest that he works from 5am -1pm and the other
guy
> the
> > other 8 hours. This way he'll be able to be at home as well in the
> > afternoons with the kids. This has also helped with my fears of "can I
> > cope"... Hubbie says if they won't go for it, I'll quit and start my
own
> > business, which is the goal anyway. It's all change in this household
> (LOL)
> >
> > Dawn F
> >
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Dawn-- Sounds like your dh is so supportive! Fantastic ! You are on your
way--enjoy the journey! :) ~Karen
way--enjoy the journey! :) ~Karen
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In a message dated 6/21/00 4:31:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
x_t_sipr@... writes:
<< wellllllllll*, if this DOES happen to you, Dawn F, ***cheer up***, you'll
find soon find a new circle of like~minded h-s'ing friends to fill that
space!!! I think h-s'rs naturally gravitate towards other h-s'rs whether
we're unschoolers, traditional h-s'rs, Christian h-s'rs, non-Christian
h-s'rs, whether or not mom's wear blue denim dresses/not or whether or not
we wear Birkenstocks/not ... we usually seek out like~minded folks to make
it through life w/!!! @ least that's my $.02 ... btw, I *DO* wear both blue
denim dresses AND Birks; I even have a RED pair!!! hehehe ...
x_t_sipr@... writes:
<< wellllllllll*, if this DOES happen to you, Dawn F, ***cheer up***, you'll
find soon find a new circle of like~minded h-s'ing friends to fill that
space!!! I think h-s'rs naturally gravitate towards other h-s'rs whether
we're unschoolers, traditional h-s'rs, Christian h-s'rs, non-Christian
h-s'rs, whether or not mom's wear blue denim dresses/not or whether or not
we wear Birkenstocks/not ... we usually seek out like~minded folks to make
it through life w/!!! @ least that's my $.02 ... btw, I *DO* wear both blue
denim dresses AND Birks; I even have a RED pair!!! hehehe ...
>>AMEN! :) ~Karen
Sonia Ulan
Way to go, Dawn! I too go nutz with the idea of daycare and
institutionalizing children. Thanks for speaking up to your friend
too. That took guts. My husband and I are fairly worried about our
financial future as our income is about to drop by $20,000.00 - and we
weren't earning the "big bucks" at that either! My husband isn't happy
with his current position and is considering a career change. He just
earned his MCSE and will see about a new job in the computer field as
well...It's a tough sacrifice to leave one position to start at the
bottom and break into a new one. But I am determined to not put the
kids in public school (for "free" babysitting) or daycare if I have to
start working again. My husband and I are prepared to work shifts too.
NumoAstro@... wrote:
institutionalizing children. Thanks for speaking up to your friend
too. That took guts. My husband and I are fairly worried about our
financial future as our income is about to drop by $20,000.00 - and we
weren't earning the "big bucks" at that either! My husband isn't happy
with his current position and is considering a career change. He just
earned his MCSE and will see about a new job in the computer field as
well...It's a tough sacrifice to leave one position to start at the
bottom and break into a new one. But I am determined to not put the
kids in public school (for "free" babysitting) or daycare if I have to
start working again. My husband and I are prepared to work shifts too.
NumoAstro@... wrote:
>
> Sonia:
>
> My husband and I didn't give up our second income, we found a way to have
> both the kids and the work. I started an at home business that is very
> successful, that I work around my kids. Now I could probably make twice as
> much if I went back to my old profession and went out of the house and dumped
> them in daycare, but I just can't bring myself to do that. When our son Zak
> was 11 months old we moved from Las Vegas to Tucson, to be close to my
> parents and so that Zak would have grandparents. I was also not willing to
> do daycare and needed to find something else. My husband got out of the
> airforce and got unemployment for a while of $156 per week. I didn't have a
> job and we just bought a house with $800 mortgage payment. We had $5000 in
> savings and I said to people "I'm going to start a new business" The
> response was you are crazy, you should go work for someone else. My husband
> then announced he hated being a Fireman and wanted to get into computers and
> so that's what he was going to do. So in effect we both changed our careers.
> What started off as one thing for me has moved into something different. I
> now help people with making sure their careers and relationships are moving
> in the best direction for growth in all other aspects of their lives. This
> is not quite what I started out to do. My husband got a seasonal job
> learning computers with Intuit (tax people) went on to another company to do
> technical support, went back to school with the GI Bill and graduates on
> Saturday with his BA in Computer Managment. He then kept taking new jobs
> every 9 months that gave him more money and paid for him to take more
> certifications. After 4 years he's a Network Manager with a very large
> company here in Tucson. Did we have problems with not paying our credit
> cards and mortgage??? Sure we did... But so what.. We are not our credit
> report and eventually that all got sorted out to where our credit is in good
> standing (seems to be very important in this country). We didn't do daycare
> in all of this and at the beginning Steve worked from 2pm-11pm and I worked
> in the mornings, so our son had both of us. This continued until he was
> about 3 and Steve started working more regular hours.
>
> Now that we have Max as well we are re-evaluating how simple life was when we
> just had Zak and how much time we put into him. We've noticed that it's easy
> to get caught up in the money and what it can get us. But for us it take us
> away from the basics of what we wanted to do which was raise our own kids,
> hence the idea of unschooling for us. So now we are spending our time
> figuring out how Steve can get back to the place he was at so that he's more
> involved and that we do this as a shared experience, which will benefit our
> boys enormously.
>
> One of the things I abhore about the feminist movement is this idea that
> raising children is somehow beneath women and that the goal of a woman should
> be to make money. When did the almighty dollar become the most important
> thing in life. Doesn't seem to make Donald Trump, Demi Moore, Bill Gates or
> anyone else who has buckets of it, very happy. I believe you can have both
> the stimulation of working with adults and children if you do what it is you
> love and turn it into a career that you fit around your family.
>
> One of my clients asked me last night about having more children and I asked
> her "what would be the point? You already have an 8 yr old and 5 yrd old
> that dumped in daycare at 6 weeks and you went back to corporate america, so
> how would having anymore benefit that child?" She said she'd never thought
> about it that way.... (Daycare is a big issue for me)..
>
> Anyway that's enough rambling for me... It's thunder and lightening at 5:30am
> here in Tucson and here I am with my cup of tea knowing that all my boys
> (including hubbie) are safely asleep in their beds.
>
> Dawn F
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Sonia Ulan
Nanci, it takes real courage to go against the norm and form your own
path. With all due respect, YOU, are the successful one in your
family! Where does failure even enter the picture? You have the
strength to not fail your children!!!
Holly Atchison wrote:
path. With all due respect, YOU, are the successful one in your
family! Where does failure even enter the picture? You have the
strength to not fail your children!!!
Holly Atchison wrote:
>
> I am the family "Faliure" because I didn't finish college with a degree and
> I
> didn't choose a high status, high priority career over my family.
>
> Nanci K.
>
> Nanci,
>
> Doesn't that just stink?! I am in the same boat with my biological mother.
> Personally, I think you made the right choice!
>
> Holly
>
> >From: "Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall" <tn-k4of5@...>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: RE: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
> >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:54:05 -0700
> >
> > >Just want to say Karen, that I really respect you and all the other
> > >moms/dads who have given up a second income to be home raising your
> > >kids!
> >
> >Thanks :-) I'm one of those. I was making over $10 an hour full time and
> >had full benefits and Employee Stock Ownership and was soon to be vested in
> >the 401K. But I quit when I was 8 months pregnant with my first, and I
> >always knew that I would, for my children. Luckily my husband was able to
> >support us, also had investment and benefits, and enjoyed his work a great
> >deal.
> >
> >It was a natural choice and a very easy one. I sometimes regretted the
> >loss of working friends and getting out of the house, etc, but it was just
> >a lifestyle change that required an adjustment for me. I am happily
> >adjusted now.
> >
> > >Why are we so often pressured by society that we don't measure up and
> > >aren't real women if we prefer the domestic life and make our children
> > >our priority?
> >
> >I agree. My parents are especially bad about this. I have 4 sisters, and
> >they are all working professionals. One is an Engineer at NASA, one is a
> >Doctor (Surgeon), One is a Para-Legal, and One is an Environmental
> >Engineer. Three of them are mothers, and their children were in daycare
> >from almost the first day they were home.
> >
> >I am the family "Faliure" because I didn't finish college with a degree and
> >I didn't choose a high status, high priority career over my family.
> >
> >Nanci K.
> >
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Sonia:
My husband and I didn't give up our second income, we found a way to have
both the kids and the work. I started an at home business that is very
successful, that I work around my kids. Now I could probably make twice as
much if I went back to my old profession and went out of the house and dumped
them in daycare, but I just can't bring myself to do that. When our son Zak
was 11 months old we moved from Las Vegas to Tucson, to be close to my
parents and so that Zak would have grandparents. I was also not willing to
do daycare and needed to find something else. My husband got out of the
airforce and got unemployment for a while of $156 per week. I didn't have a
job and we just bought a house with $800 mortgage payment. We had $5000 in
savings and I said to people "I'm going to start a new business" The
response was you are crazy, you should go work for someone else. My husband
then announced he hated being a Fireman and wanted to get into computers and
so that's what he was going to do. So in effect we both changed our careers.
What started off as one thing for me has moved into something different. I
now help people with making sure their careers and relationships are moving
in the best direction for growth in all other aspects of their lives. This
is not quite what I started out to do. My husband got a seasonal job
learning computers with Intuit (tax people) went on to another company to do
technical support, went back to school with the GI Bill and graduates on
Saturday with his BA in Computer Managment. He then kept taking new jobs
every 9 months that gave him more money and paid for him to take more
certifications. After 4 years he's a Network Manager with a very large
company here in Tucson. Did we have problems with not paying our credit
cards and mortgage??? Sure we did... But so what.. We are not our credit
report and eventually that all got sorted out to where our credit is in good
standing (seems to be very important in this country). We didn't do daycare
in all of this and at the beginning Steve worked from 2pm-11pm and I worked
in the mornings, so our son had both of us. This continued until he was
about 3 and Steve started working more regular hours.
Now that we have Max as well we are re-evaluating how simple life was when we
just had Zak and how much time we put into him. We've noticed that it's easy
to get caught up in the money and what it can get us. But for us it take us
away from the basics of what we wanted to do which was raise our own kids,
hence the idea of unschooling for us. So now we are spending our time
figuring out how Steve can get back to the place he was at so that he's more
involved and that we do this as a shared experience, which will benefit our
boys enormously.
One of the things I abhore about the feminist movement is this idea that
raising children is somehow beneath women and that the goal of a woman should
be to make money. When did the almighty dollar become the most important
thing in life. Doesn't seem to make Donald Trump, Demi Moore, Bill Gates or
anyone else who has buckets of it, very happy. I believe you can have both
the stimulation of working with adults and children if you do what it is you
love and turn it into a career that you fit around your family.
One of my clients asked me last night about having more children and I asked
her "what would be the point? You already have an 8 yr old and 5 yrd old
that dumped in daycare at 6 weeks and you went back to corporate america, so
how would having anymore benefit that child?" She said she'd never thought
about it that way.... (Daycare is a big issue for me)..
Anyway that's enough rambling for me... It's thunder and lightening at 5:30am
here in Tucson and here I am with my cup of tea knowing that all my boys
(including hubbie) are safely asleep in their beds.
Dawn F
My husband and I didn't give up our second income, we found a way to have
both the kids and the work. I started an at home business that is very
successful, that I work around my kids. Now I could probably make twice as
much if I went back to my old profession and went out of the house and dumped
them in daycare, but I just can't bring myself to do that. When our son Zak
was 11 months old we moved from Las Vegas to Tucson, to be close to my
parents and so that Zak would have grandparents. I was also not willing to
do daycare and needed to find something else. My husband got out of the
airforce and got unemployment for a while of $156 per week. I didn't have a
job and we just bought a house with $800 mortgage payment. We had $5000 in
savings and I said to people "I'm going to start a new business" The
response was you are crazy, you should go work for someone else. My husband
then announced he hated being a Fireman and wanted to get into computers and
so that's what he was going to do. So in effect we both changed our careers.
What started off as one thing for me has moved into something different. I
now help people with making sure their careers and relationships are moving
in the best direction for growth in all other aspects of their lives. This
is not quite what I started out to do. My husband got a seasonal job
learning computers with Intuit (tax people) went on to another company to do
technical support, went back to school with the GI Bill and graduates on
Saturday with his BA in Computer Managment. He then kept taking new jobs
every 9 months that gave him more money and paid for him to take more
certifications. After 4 years he's a Network Manager with a very large
company here in Tucson. Did we have problems with not paying our credit
cards and mortgage??? Sure we did... But so what.. We are not our credit
report and eventually that all got sorted out to where our credit is in good
standing (seems to be very important in this country). We didn't do daycare
in all of this and at the beginning Steve worked from 2pm-11pm and I worked
in the mornings, so our son had both of us. This continued until he was
about 3 and Steve started working more regular hours.
Now that we have Max as well we are re-evaluating how simple life was when we
just had Zak and how much time we put into him. We've noticed that it's easy
to get caught up in the money and what it can get us. But for us it take us
away from the basics of what we wanted to do which was raise our own kids,
hence the idea of unschooling for us. So now we are spending our time
figuring out how Steve can get back to the place he was at so that he's more
involved and that we do this as a shared experience, which will benefit our
boys enormously.
One of the things I abhore about the feminist movement is this idea that
raising children is somehow beneath women and that the goal of a woman should
be to make money. When did the almighty dollar become the most important
thing in life. Doesn't seem to make Donald Trump, Demi Moore, Bill Gates or
anyone else who has buckets of it, very happy. I believe you can have both
the stimulation of working with adults and children if you do what it is you
love and turn it into a career that you fit around your family.
One of my clients asked me last night about having more children and I asked
her "what would be the point? You already have an 8 yr old and 5 yrd old
that dumped in daycare at 6 weeks and you went back to corporate america, so
how would having anymore benefit that child?" She said she'd never thought
about it that way.... (Daycare is a big issue for me)..
Anyway that's enough rambling for me... It's thunder and lightening at 5:30am
here in Tucson and here I am with my cup of tea knowing that all my boys
(including hubbie) are safely asleep in their beds.
Dawn F
D Klement
Pris wrote:
Just kidding we have a few in our neighbourhood but I've yet to meet a
hyper one.
How old are your Dallies ?
Mine came as a recycling project .... I'm not kidding we are either her
third or fourth owner and one former owner abused her and the last
owners neglected (she was an outside dog even in the foulest weather)
and kicked her.
If any dog would be flaky and crazy :giving the breed a bad name, I
would have figured it would have been her.
Buzz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Klement Family "Education is what survives when
Darryl, Debbie, what has been learned has been
Kathleen, Nathan & forgotten"
Samantha B.F. Skinner in "New Scientist".
e-mail- klement@...
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Ont. Federation of Teaching Parents: http:\\www.flora.org/oftp/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> YES, granted we ALL have THOSE DAYS when wePris ... I swear I must own the only laid back Dalmatian in history !
> (mom) want to run away from home but I've found one thing that has really
> helped our fm *enormously* is getting outside *daily* to EXERCISE!!! my
> excuse is we *need* to walk the dogs @ the neighborhood track (both
> Dalmatians are very *HIGH~STRUNG~HYPER~HYPOS*, bless their hearts)
Just kidding we have a few in our neighbourhood but I've yet to meet a
hyper one.
How old are your Dallies ?
Mine came as a recycling project .... I'm not kidding we are either her
third or fourth owner and one former owner abused her and the last
owners neglected (she was an outside dog even in the foulest weather)
and kicked her.
If any dog would be flaky and crazy :giving the breed a bad name, I
would have figured it would have been her.
Buzz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Klement Family "Education is what survives when
Darryl, Debbie, what has been learned has been
Kathleen, Nathan & forgotten"
Samantha B.F. Skinner in "New Scientist".
e-mail- klement@...
Canadian homeschool page: http:\\www.flora.org/homeschool-ca/
Ont. Federation of Teaching Parents: http:\\www.flora.org/oftp/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tracy Oldfield
Unfortunately, the so-called 'feminist' movement decided that
'equailty' meant everyone equal, but masculine :-( Doesn't sound
very 'feminine' to me... I've never been that good at making
friends and keeping in touch with folk, but at least I've made more
contact with like-minded people since having babies, LLL and
home-ed groups are great! <g> I have to admit, too, to giving off
'attitude' to people who choose to have children when they know
others will be raising them, but I must be getting mellow...
Tracy
'equailty' meant everyone equal, but masculine :-( Doesn't sound
very 'feminine' to me... I've never been that good at making
friends and keeping in touch with folk, but at least I've made more
contact with like-minded people since having babies, LLL and
home-ed groups are great! <g> I have to admit, too, to giving off
'attitude' to people who choose to have children when they know
others will be raising them, but I must be getting mellow...
Tracy
On 21 Jun 2000, at 1:16, Sonia Ulan wrote:
Just want to say Karen, that I really respect you and
all the other
moms/dads who have given up a second income to be home
raising your
kids! It's very true that too many others seem
threatened by that
choice...perhaps hit with a pang of guilt with the
awareness you are
doing the "right thing". My husband and I are having
to re-explore that
choice again for ourselves...with dramatic changes in
our income/career
situation. There's no doubt life can be easier in a
lot of ways with a
few extra $$thousand$$, but I think it's far too easy
to under-estimate
what other price is paid for a second income. And
besides, I thought
the whole feminist movement for equality was about
"Choice" for women.
David Albert
Sonia --
Our story is somewhat similar to Dawn's, though we "downsized". I was 80-hour a
week publishing executive, and my wife's schedule was not much better. We lived
in Santa Cruz, California, where housing prices were impossible (and the quality
of life not as high as one might expect.) We both recareered, moved to Olympia,
Washington, where we could have bought 3 houses for the price of one in Santa
Cruz (but we only bought one little one) -- my wife went back to school to become
a massage therapist, and we attached an office to the house. I started working
for the Governor and the state board of health on the strength of my writing
skills (had no background whatsoever. I work within 5 minutes of home, and get
home for lunch everyday, and NEVER work more than 40 hours a week.
Our quality of life as a family soared, we have lots of time with our kids, and,
oddly enough, our available income went up even as that reported on our tax
returns went down.
David
Sense" was to the American Revolution."--Greg Bates, Common Courage Press. To
read a sample chapter or the foreword, and to get information about ordering a
signed copy, visit www.skylarksings.com or send an e-mail to
shantinik@...
Our story is somewhat similar to Dawn's, though we "downsized". I was 80-hour a
week publishing executive, and my wife's schedule was not much better. We lived
in Santa Cruz, California, where housing prices were impossible (and the quality
of life not as high as one might expect.) We both recareered, moved to Olympia,
Washington, where we could have bought 3 houses for the price of one in Santa
Cruz (but we only bought one little one) -- my wife went back to school to become
a massage therapist, and we attached an office to the house. I started working
for the Governor and the state board of health on the strength of my writing
skills (had no background whatsoever. I work within 5 minutes of home, and get
home for lunch everyday, and NEVER work more than 40 hours a week.
Our quality of life as a family soared, we have lots of time with our kids, and,
oddly enough, our available income went up even as that reported on our tax
returns went down.
David
> -"And the Skylark Sings with Me" is to homeschooling what Tom Paine's "Common
Sense" was to the American Revolution."--Greg Bates, Common Courage Press. To
read a sample chapter or the foreword, and to get information about ordering a
signed copy, visit www.skylarksings.com or send an e-mail to
shantinik@...
Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall
>Just want to say Karen, that I really respect you and all the otherThanks :-) I'm one of those. I was making over $10 an hour full time and had full benefits and Employee Stock Ownership and was soon to be vested in the 401K. But I quit when I was 8 months pregnant with my first, and I always knew that I would, for my children. Luckily my husband was able to support us, also had investment and benefits, and enjoyed his work a great deal.
>moms/dads who have given up a second income to be home raising your
>kids!
It was a natural choice and a very easy one. I sometimes regretted the loss of working friends and getting out of the house, etc, but it was just a lifestyle change that required an adjustment for me. I am happily adjusted now.
>Why are we so often pressured by society that we don't measure up andI agree. My parents are especially bad about this. I have 4 sisters, and they are all working professionals. One is an Engineer at NASA, one is a Doctor (Surgeon), One is a Para-Legal, and One is an Environmental Engineer. Three of them are mothers, and their children were in daycare from almost the first day they were home.
>aren't real women if we prefer the domestic life and make our children >our priority?
I am the family "Faliure" because I didn't finish college with a degree and I didn't choose a high status, high priority career over my family.
Nanci K.
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Thankyou, Sonia, I really appreciate your kind words. :) ~Karen
Holly Atchison
I am the family "Faliure" because I didn't finish college with a degree and
I
didn't choose a high status, high priority career over my family.
Nanci K.
Nanci,
Doesn't that just stink?! I am in the same boat with my biological mother.
Personally, I think you made the right choice!
Holly
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I
didn't choose a high status, high priority career over my family.
Nanci K.
Nanci,
Doesn't that just stink?! I am in the same boat with my biological mother.
Personally, I think you made the right choice!
Holly
>From: "Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall" <tn-k4of5@...>________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:54:05 -0700
>
> >Just want to say Karen, that I really respect you and all the other
> >moms/dads who have given up a second income to be home raising your
> >kids!
>
>Thanks :-) I'm one of those. I was making over $10 an hour full time and
>had full benefits and Employee Stock Ownership and was soon to be vested in
>the 401K. But I quit when I was 8 months pregnant with my first, and I
>always knew that I would, for my children. Luckily my husband was able to
>support us, also had investment and benefits, and enjoyed his work a great
>deal.
>
>It was a natural choice and a very easy one. I sometimes regretted the
>loss of working friends and getting out of the house, etc, but it was just
>a lifestyle change that required an adjustment for me. I am happily
>adjusted now.
>
> >Why are we so often pressured by society that we don't measure up and
> >aren't real women if we prefer the domestic life and make our children
> >our priority?
>
>I agree. My parents are especially bad about this. I have 4 sisters, and
>they are all working professionals. One is an Engineer at NASA, one is a
>Doctor (Surgeon), One is a Para-Legal, and One is an Environmental
>Engineer. Three of them are mothers, and their children were in daycare
>from almost the first day they were home.
>
>I am the family "Faliure" because I didn't finish college with a degree and
>I didn't choose a high status, high priority career over my family.
>
>Nanci K.
>
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Pris
just remember, different strokes for different folks ... personally, I think
us SAHM's have the better deal; all those sweet peanut butter kisses!!!
Pris
us SAHM's have the better deal; all those sweet peanut butter kisses!!!
Pris
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
> I am the family "Faliure" because I didn't finish college with a degree
and
> I
> didn't choose a high status, high priority career over my family.
>
> Nanci K.
>
> Nanci,
>
> Doesn't that just stink?! I am in the same boat with my biological
mother.
> Personally, I think you made the right choice!
>
> Holly
>
Debra Caruso
I have been a SAHM for over 20 years.I am so glad I had a hubby who
encouraged this,and my sons benefited as well.The older 3 20,19,and 18
year old tell me this all the time!What blessings...Deb in Va
Pris wrote:
encouraged this,and my sons benefited as well.The older 3 20,19,and 18
year old tell me this all the time!What blessings...Deb in Va
Pris wrote:
>
> just remember, different strokes for different folks ... personally, I think
> us SAHM's have the better deal; all those sweet peanut butter kisses!!!
>
> Pris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Holly Atchison <HollyAtch@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
>
> > I am the family "Faliure" because I didn't finish college with a degree
> and
> > I
> > didn't choose a high status, high priority career over my family.
> >
> > Nanci K.
> >
> > Nanci,
> >
> > Doesn't that just stink?! I am in the same boat with my biological
> mother.
> > Personally, I think you made the right choice!
> >
> > Holly
> >
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Pris
Hi Deb in Va ...
... when dh and I married, I *KNEW* my calling was to be @ HOME taking care
of my little fm ... 28 yrs later, I can honestly say, I've been happy as a
lark ... dh is a rr engineer (27 yrs) and we KNEW this type of job NEEDED
some type of stability for the dch, thankfully, I've been in my element as a
SAHM!!! our dch are dd 24, ds 21, ds 11, ds 9 and 1st grandbaby due
mid~Sept and NO, I'm NOT that old, haha :)
Pris
... when dh and I married, I *KNEW* my calling was to be @ HOME taking care
of my little fm ... 28 yrs later, I can honestly say, I've been happy as a
lark ... dh is a rr engineer (27 yrs) and we KNEW this type of job NEEDED
some type of stability for the dch, thankfully, I've been in my element as a
SAHM!!! our dch are dd 24, ds 21, ds 11, ds 9 and 1st grandbaby due
mid~Sept and NO, I'm NOT that old, haha :)
Pris
----- Original Message -----
From: Debra Caruso <mama@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
> I have been a SAHM for over 20 years.I am so glad I had a hubby who
> encouraged this,and my sons benefited as well.The older 3 20,19,and 18
> year old tell me this all the time!What blessings...Deb in Va
>
> Pris wrote:
Debra Caruso
Hi there Pris!I agree with you.I never wanted any one raising my
babies.I do not regret it one bit.I am only 38,had my first son at 18.I
hope to be a young grandma!!I got to see all my sons walk for the first
time,talk ,first teeth,all the glorious moments of motherhood.Wouldn't
trade it for anything!
I have always wanted to be a wife and mom,and never felt like I haven't
acheived what I wanted to.I feel I have ...Deb
Pris wrote:
babies.I do not regret it one bit.I am only 38,had my first son at 18.I
hope to be a young grandma!!I got to see all my sons walk for the first
time,talk ,first teeth,all the glorious moments of motherhood.Wouldn't
trade it for anything!
I have always wanted to be a wife and mom,and never felt like I haven't
acheived what I wanted to.I feel I have ...Deb
Pris wrote:
>
> Hi Deb in Va ...
>
> ... when dh and I married, I *KNEW* my calling was to be @ HOME taking care
> of my little fm ... 28 yrs later, I can honestly say, I've been happy as a
> lark ... dh is a rr engineer (27 yrs) and we KNEW this type of job NEEDED
> some type of stability for the dch, thankfully, I've been in my element as a
> SAHM!!! our dch are dd 24, ds 21, ds 11, ds 9 and 1st grandbaby due
> mid~Sept and NO, I'm NOT that old, haha :)
>
> Pris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Debra Caruso <mama@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
>
> > I have been a SAHM for over 20 years.I am so glad I had a hubby who
> > encouraged this,and my sons benefited as well.The older 3 20,19,and 18
> > year old tell me this all the time!What blessings...Deb in Va
> >
> > Pris wrote:
>
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high 5 ~ we're both so level~headed, aren't we!!! <SMIRK> hehe :)
Pris
Pris
----- Original Message -----
From: Debra Caruso <mama@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
> Hi there Pris!I agree with you.I never wanted any one raising my
> babies.I do not regret it one bit.I am only 38,had my first son at 18.I
> hope to be a young grandma!!I got to see all my sons walk for the first
> time,talk ,first teeth,all the glorious moments of motherhood.Wouldn't
> trade it for anything!
> I have always wanted to be a wife and mom,and never felt like I haven't
> acheived what I wanted to.I feel I have ...Deb
>
> Pris wrote:
> >
> > Hi Deb in Va ...
> >
> > ... when dh and I married, I *KNEW* my calling was to be @ HOME taking
care
> > of my little fm ... 28 yrs later, I can honestly say, I've been happy as
a
> > lark ... dh is a rr engineer (27 yrs) and we KNEW this type of job
NEEDED
> > some type of stability for the dch, thankfully, I've been in my element
as a
> > SAHM!!! our dch are dd 24, ds 21, ds 11, ds 9 and 1st grandbaby due
> > mid~Sept and NO, I'm NOT that old, haha :)
> >
> > Pris
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Debra Caruso <mama@...>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 3:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
> >
> > > I have been a SAHM for over 20 years.I am so glad I had a hubby who
> > > encouraged this,and my sons benefited as well.The older 3 20,19,and 18
> > > year old tell me this all the time!What blessings...Deb in Va
> > >
> > > Pris wrote:
> >
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Pris
high ~ 5's ta you, too <VBG> :)
btw, I'm a Fergie, too!!!
Pris
btw, I'm a Fergie, too!!!
Pris
>think
> Pris wrote:
> >
> > just remember, different strokes for different folks ... personally, I
> > us SAHM's have the better deal; all those sweet peanut butter kisses!!!
> >
> > Pris
> >
>
> I must admit there are some days when I think about getting a job and a
> nanny. Then I stop and think about what it was like working.
> Some things are priceless and sharing my children's lives is one of them.
>
> Cindy Ferguson
> crma@...
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In a message dated 6/23/2000 3:58:12 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
sulan@... writes:
<< > > >Why are we so often pressured by society that we don't measure up and
making money is such a priority compared to raising children. I think the
feminist movement has done so much harm to children. I have so many clients
who ask me questions about their careers and when they are giving me bith
information about their kids, many of their kids are under 4 years old. So
we all know where they are everyday from 6am-7pm...
I think I'm different in the way that I never wanted to be the stay at home
mum. I was always the career woman and had children because my husband
wanted them. However, not that I have them, I cannot imagine leaving them
with anyone (save my mother for a couple of hours). I went and got my hair
cut yesterday and I have a mother's helper (she's 16) who comes one afternoon
a week for 3 hours. I'm here as well usually, but it gives me the ability to
catch up on my filing and phone calls in the daytime, make dinner without
having to stop and paint or build something etc and Zak loves to play with
her. I was late in getting back from the hairdressers and so she was here on
her own (hubby had gone back to work) for 30 mins and I felt guilty as hell.
Now she's been with us for over 1 year, since before Max was born and
consistently comes every week and my guilt was rushing in.
Anyway just some feedback here at 5:16am in the morning, just before I'm off
to walk 3 miles with my friend before it gets up to 100 degrees.
Dawn F
sulan@... writes:
<< > > >Why are we so often pressured by society that we don't measure up and
> > >aren't real women if we prefer the domestic life and make our childrenI agree and think it's really sad that our culture has come to this where
> > >our priority?
> > >>
making money is such a priority compared to raising children. I think the
feminist movement has done so much harm to children. I have so many clients
who ask me questions about their careers and when they are giving me bith
information about their kids, many of their kids are under 4 years old. So
we all know where they are everyday from 6am-7pm...
I think I'm different in the way that I never wanted to be the stay at home
mum. I was always the career woman and had children because my husband
wanted them. However, not that I have them, I cannot imagine leaving them
with anyone (save my mother for a couple of hours). I went and got my hair
cut yesterday and I have a mother's helper (she's 16) who comes one afternoon
a week for 3 hours. I'm here as well usually, but it gives me the ability to
catch up on my filing and phone calls in the daytime, make dinner without
having to stop and paint or build something etc and Zak loves to play with
her. I was late in getting back from the hairdressers and so she was here on
her own (hubby had gone back to work) for 30 mins and I felt guilty as hell.
Now she's been with us for over 1 year, since before Max was born and
consistently comes every week and my guilt was rushing in.
Anyway just some feedback here at 5:16am in the morning, just before I'm off
to walk 3 miles with my friend before it gets up to 100 degrees.
Dawn F
Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall
>just remember, different strokes for different folks ... personally, I thinkACK! Not at my house. We refer to is as "Poison Butter" because of my elder sons allergies. We are VERY careful with peanut butter and do not eat a lot of it when the littles are up. I feel safer and more comfortable eating it when they are asleep. :-)
>us SAHM's have the better deal; all those sweet peanut butter kisses!!!
>
>Pris
Nanci K.
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Pris
oops, that was just a figure of speech Nanci, one of my ds has a horrible
peanut allergies, so we don't even bring it into the house ... so, I'll just
say SWEET KISSES!!!
Pris
peanut allergies, so we don't even bring it into the house ... so, I'll just
say SWEET KISSES!!!
Pris
----- Original Message -----
From: Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall <tn-k4of5@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
> >just remember, different strokes for different folks ... personally, I
think
> >us SAHM's have the better deal; all those sweet peanut butter kisses!!!
> >
> >Pris
>
> ACK! Not at my house. We refer to is as "Poison Butter" because of my
elder sons allergies. We are VERY careful with peanut butter and do not eat
a lot of it when the littles are up. I feel safer and more comfortable
eating it when they are asleep. :-)
>
> Nanci K.
>
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I'd vomit if I got a peanut butter kiss! I really dislike the smell,
almost as much as gin <g>
Tracy
almost as much as gin <g>
Tracy
>just remember, different strokes for different folks... personally, I think
>us SAHM's have the better deal; all those sweet peanutbutter kisses!!!
>
>Pris
Amy
you might want to try soy "nut" butter. It's 100% nut free, but tastes just
like peanut butter. I have 2 w/peanut allergies (1 life threatening) and
they do fine w/it. You can find it at Trader Joes and other supermarkets.
Amy
like peanut butter. I have 2 w/peanut allergies (1 life threatening) and
they do fine w/it. You can find it at Trader Joes and other supermarkets.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: Pris <x_t_sipr@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
> oops, that was just a figure of speech Nanci, one of my ds has a horrible
> peanut allergies, so we don't even bring it into the house ... so, I'll
just
> say SWEET KISSES!!!
>
> Pris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall <tn-k4of5@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Changing friends b/c of homeschooling
>
>
> > >just remember, different strokes for different folks ... personally, I
> think
> > >us SAHM's have the better deal; all those sweet peanut butter kisses!!!
> > >
> > >Pris
> >
> > ACK! Not at my house. We refer to is as "Poison Butter" because of my
> elder sons allergies. We are VERY careful with peanut butter and do not
eat
> a lot of it when the littles are up. I feel safer and more comfortable
> eating it when they are asleep. :-)
> >
> > Nanci K.
> >
> >
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