Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] moralizing about transcripts
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I think it's perfectly possible and reasonable to write the story of a
child's learning for different reasons using all kinds of different formats,
*including* a traditional academic transcript with or without letter grades.
The form alone does not a liar OR a scholar make.
It could be really helpful to unschoolers to talk about this here, in
a bunch of ways. But moralizing about it doesn't strike me as one of them.
I can respect different points of view about why a family might choose
this or that for themselves, including a parent's view that for HER family it
would be dishonest, just as it might be a matter of conscience not to
register or to submit annual evalautions to the school system.
But this can be carried past that point of personal conscience and
become moralizing against parents who see it differently, as has happened with
charter schooling and virtual schooling.
When it's suggested that moms just take their kids' tests and do their
homework for them, to keep school off their backs, we didn't see moralizing
about dishonesty and lies and complete fabrications. Thank goodness!
Let's talk about authentic assessments and the realities of
transcripts and the Power of Story in different approaches, I'm all for it. Let's just
do it without anyone calling anyone else a liar. JJ
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child's learning for different reasons using all kinds of different formats,
*including* a traditional academic transcript with or without letter grades.
The form alone does not a liar OR a scholar make.
It could be really helpful to unschoolers to talk about this here, in
a bunch of ways. But moralizing about it doesn't strike me as one of them.
I can respect different points of view about why a family might choose
this or that for themselves, including a parent's view that for HER family it
would be dishonest, just as it might be a matter of conscience not to
register or to submit annual evalautions to the school system.
But this can be carried past that point of personal conscience and
become moralizing against parents who see it differently, as has happened with
charter schooling and virtual schooling.
When it's suggested that moms just take their kids' tests and do their
homework for them, to keep school off their backs, we didn't see moralizing
about dishonesty and lies and complete fabrications. Thank goodness!
Let's talk about authentic assessments and the realities of
transcripts and the Power of Story in different approaches, I'm all for it. Let's just
do it without anyone calling anyone else a liar. JJ
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Deb Lewis
***moralizing against parents who see it differently,.***
Well damn. Are you moralizing about my lack of morals or my abundance?
Deb L
Well damn. Are you moralizing about my lack of morals or my abundance?
Deb L
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ddzimlew@... writes:
you think might be deemed immoral about about your, um, abundance! <g> JJ
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>I don't think I was moralizing at all, but now I'm intrigued at what
> ***moralizing against parents who see it differently,.***
>
> Well damn. Are you moralizing about my lack of morals or my abundance?
>
>
> Deb L
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you think might be deemed immoral about about your, um, abundance! <g> JJ
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In a message dated 4/14/04 5:20:54 PM, jrossedd@... writes:
<< I don't think I was moralizing at all, but now I'm intrigued at
what
you think might be deemed immoral about about your, um, abundance! >>
It seemed you were criticizing people for suggesting they were more moral
than others.
I'm pretty sure being truthful is considered more moral than being dishonest
in all cultures, with a few exceptions for saving a life perhaps. So if you
think it's bad for a person to say "you're lying, and I wouldn't," then maybe
the proposal is to state or pretend that lying is no worse or better, but is
the same (ethically, philosophically) as telling the truth.
Good luck with that argument. The people who will agree with it should
neither be loaned money nor your carkeys.
Sandra
<< I don't think I was moralizing at all, but now I'm intrigued at
what
you think might be deemed immoral about about your, um, abundance! >>
It seemed you were criticizing people for suggesting they were more moral
than others.
I'm pretty sure being truthful is considered more moral than being dishonest
in all cultures, with a few exceptions for saving a life perhaps. So if you
think it's bad for a person to say "you're lying, and I wouldn't," then maybe
the proposal is to state or pretend that lying is no worse or better, but is
the same (ethically, philosophically) as telling the truth.
Good luck with that argument. The people who will agree with it should
neither be loaned money nor your carkeys.
Sandra
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Not so. I was objecting to the false accusation of lying, based on
personal prejudice.
SandraDodd@... writes:
personal prejudice.
SandraDodd@... writes:
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> It seemed you were criticizing people for suggesting they were more moral
> than others.
>
> I'm pretty sure being truthful is considered more moral than being dishonest
>
> in all cultures, with a few exceptions for saving a life perhaps. So if you
>
> think it's bad for a person to say "you're lying, and I wouldn't," then
> maybe
> the proposal is to state or pretend that lying is no worse or better, but is
>
> the same (ethically, philosophically) as telling the truth.
>
> Good luck with that argument. The people who will agree with it should
> neither be loaned money nor your carkeys.
>
> Sandra
>
>