Unschooling just happens, and we are a Christian family
shele428
Want to let others know that for the past three years (since we
started hsing), we have naturally "fell" into the unschooling
lifestyle. Not by anything I did, as a matter of fact, until I
started reading about unschooling, I didn't realize that's what we
were doing! :) Sometimes I think it's better NOT to research
everything to death, (for me anyway, then I "think" too much about
doing things "the right way")
We are Christian and have to say that for us, it's all about how God
has directed our lifestyle. Just wanted to add that in since there
seems to be the misconception that "fundies/ Christians" are pushy,
strict, "school at home" types, or anit-home/unschooling. This is not
the case for all,, the same could be said about any religion/ and or
beliefs. (bigotry is what it is, regardless of what you call
yourself, if anything)
We don't judge others, just love them and I never force anything on
my kids, they see from "how" my husband and I live, and NOT from what
we "teach".
So if you are new to unschooling, try not to exclude yourself from
others based on their or your religion.
Personally, we hang out w/ lots of different types of people that
have varying beliefs and religions. Of course living in FL helps w/
that as it's a very diverse state.
My 2cents
shele428
started hsing), we have naturally "fell" into the unschooling
lifestyle. Not by anything I did, as a matter of fact, until I
started reading about unschooling, I didn't realize that's what we
were doing! :) Sometimes I think it's better NOT to research
everything to death, (for me anyway, then I "think" too much about
doing things "the right way")
We are Christian and have to say that for us, it's all about how God
has directed our lifestyle. Just wanted to add that in since there
seems to be the misconception that "fundies/ Christians" are pushy,
strict, "school at home" types, or anit-home/unschooling. This is not
the case for all,, the same could be said about any religion/ and or
beliefs. (bigotry is what it is, regardless of what you call
yourself, if anything)
We don't judge others, just love them and I never force anything on
my kids, they see from "how" my husband and I live, and NOT from what
we "teach".
So if you are new to unschooling, try not to exclude yourself from
others based on their or your religion.
Personally, we hang out w/ lots of different types of people that
have varying beliefs and religions. Of course living in FL helps w/
that as it's a very diverse state.
My 2cents
shele428
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/13/04 12:59:10 PM, ben2edge@... writes:
<< Just wanted to add that in since there
seems to be the misconception that "fundies/ Christians" are pushy,
strict, "school at home" types, or anit-home/unschooling. This is not
the case for all, >>
Just because it's not the case for all doesn't make it a misconception.
<<the same could be said about any religion/ and or beliefs. >>
Like what? Do you know of another group who advocate pushy, strict
school-at-home and who badmouth unschooling?
<<(bigotry is what it is, regardless of what you call
yourself, if anything)>>
Do you think people who believe that strict school-at-home parents are
statistically likely to be Christians are bigots?
<<We don't judge others>>
Who are those bigots you just referred to then?
<<So if you are new to unschooling, try not to exclude yourself from
others based on their or your religion. >>
That's good advice to anyone, but the most exclusionary people you will find
will be Christian homeschoolers in statement-of-faith groups. They'll even
exclude other Christians.
If you're a Christian who happens to be a homeschooler who is unaware of the
massive Christian homeschooling movement, you should look into it and not deny
that it exists.
Here are some starting places, which were not at all hard to find. They are
some of hundreds:
http://www.theoldhomeschoolhouse.com/
http://www.homeschooldigest.com/
http://educationforthesoul.com/CH/articles/CHarticle14.html
http://www.homeschoolchristian.com/ChristianEd/Wayne.html
http://www.titus2.com/momsboard/m-board-info.htm
A quote from that last one:
Some of the areas in which we want to encourage moms.
* Homeschooling
* Wearing dresses
* Not limiting the number of children
* Conservative Christian music
* Submission to husbands
* Avoiding make-believe characters in celebrating holidays or special events
* Biblical child raising
* No sports
* No television
* Sheltering children
While moms who do not hold these same views or convictions are welcome at
MOMSBoard, you need to know that we don't approve posts supporting or endorsing
something different from this, particularly in these areas.
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http://sandradodd.com/lists/info
Sandra
<< Just wanted to add that in since there
seems to be the misconception that "fundies/ Christians" are pushy,
strict, "school at home" types, or anit-home/unschooling. This is not
the case for all, >>
Just because it's not the case for all doesn't make it a misconception.
<<the same could be said about any religion/ and or beliefs. >>
Like what? Do you know of another group who advocate pushy, strict
school-at-home and who badmouth unschooling?
<<(bigotry is what it is, regardless of what you call
yourself, if anything)>>
Do you think people who believe that strict school-at-home parents are
statistically likely to be Christians are bigots?
<<We don't judge others>>
Who are those bigots you just referred to then?
<<So if you are new to unschooling, try not to exclude yourself from
others based on their or your religion. >>
That's good advice to anyone, but the most exclusionary people you will find
will be Christian homeschoolers in statement-of-faith groups. They'll even
exclude other Christians.
If you're a Christian who happens to be a homeschooler who is unaware of the
massive Christian homeschooling movement, you should look into it and not deny
that it exists.
Here are some starting places, which were not at all hard to find. They are
some of hundreds:
http://www.theoldhomeschoolhouse.com/
http://www.homeschooldigest.com/
http://educationforthesoul.com/CH/articles/CHarticle14.html
http://www.homeschoolchristian.com/ChristianEd/Wayne.html
http://www.titus2.com/momsboard/m-board-info.htm
A quote from that last one:
Some of the areas in which we want to encourage moms.
* Homeschooling
* Wearing dresses
* Not limiting the number of children
* Conservative Christian music
* Submission to husbands
* Avoiding make-believe characters in celebrating holidays or special events
* Biblical child raising
* No sports
* No television
* Sheltering children
While moms who do not hold these same views or convictions are welcome at
MOMSBoard, you need to know that we don't approve posts supporting or endorsing
something different from this, particularly in these areas.
-----------------
So if people think THIS e-mail loop is limited in scope, I think our few
rules are nearly nothing compared to that. (And for anyone who missed seeing the
posting guidelines for UnschoolingDiscussion, they are here:
http://sandradodd.com/lists/info
Sandra
Wife2Vegman
There is a new Christian Unschooling website:
www.christianunschooling.org
It is done by one of the authors of the book of the
same title. Elissa Wahl.
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WifetoVegman
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I had a different understanding of shele428's posting than Sandra's response. I understood shele428 to be saying not to judge all christian homeschoolers as being limited in scope and that not all fundamentalist and christian homeschoolers are pushy, school at home types. (She being a case in point.) And that assuming anything about "all" christian homeschoolers is a form of bigotry. Shele428, did i get this right? Perhaps I misunderstood.
Lisa H.
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Elizabeth Roberts
I don't think you did. That was the same thing I got out of it.
Elizabeth
Lisa H <Lmanathome@...> wrote:
I had a different understanding of shele428's posting than Sandra's response. I understood shele428 to be saying not to judge all christian homeschoolers as being limited in scope and that not all fundamentalist and christian homeschoolers are pushy, school at home types. (She being a case in point.) And that assuming anything about "all" christian homeschoolers is a form of bigotry. Shele428, did i get this right? Perhaps I misunderstood.
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Lisa H <Lmanathome@...> wrote:
I had a different understanding of shele428's posting than Sandra's response. I understood shele428 to be saying not to judge all christian homeschoolers as being limited in scope and that not all fundamentalist and christian homeschoolers are pushy, school at home types. (She being a case in point.) And that assuming anything about "all" christian homeschoolers is a form of bigotry. Shele428, did i get this right? Perhaps I misunderstood.
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--- In [email protected], "shele428"
<ben2edge@y...> wrote:
. Just wanted to add that in since there
I had checked out the groups in my area, and attended more than one
meeting with an open mind. The groups turned out to be school-at-
homers and very isolationist -- one leader shared that she did not
let her children play with neighborhood children, ever. Every group
in my area has a description listed that states very similar
principles. That's why I said "not for me," which is my right.
I am pretty interfaith, and Christianity is still a big part of my
spirituality. I do not believe all Christians are pushy, etc., but
in my particular area the homeschooling community is made up of
fundamentalist, isolationist, strict school-at-homers.
I didn't go into this in my first post because I knew that people on
this list would know what I meant -- we've had this discussion
before, as the archives will show.
Peace,
Amy
<ben2edge@y...> wrote:
. Just wanted to add that in since there
> seems to be the misconception that "fundies/ Christians" are pushy,Since mine was the post that started it, I'll just let you know that
> strict, "school at home" types, or anit-home/unschooling.
I had checked out the groups in my area, and attended more than one
meeting with an open mind. The groups turned out to be school-at-
homers and very isolationist -- one leader shared that she did not
let her children play with neighborhood children, ever. Every group
in my area has a description listed that states very similar
principles. That's why I said "not for me," which is my right.
I am pretty interfaith, and Christianity is still a big part of my
spirituality. I do not believe all Christians are pushy, etc., but
in my particular area the homeschooling community is made up of
fundamentalist, isolationist, strict school-at-homers.
I didn't go into this in my first post because I knew that people on
this list would know what I meant -- we've had this discussion
before, as the archives will show.
Peace,
Amy
Julie Bogart
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
years and we have been excluded from participation after years of service and friendship
with those involved due to a change of belief.
The purpose of the Statements of Faith are to keep out anyone not of like mind.
And unschooling is often seen as humanistic. First hand experience here to offer as
support.
Julie
>That would be me! My family has gone through some theological shifts in the last two
> That's good advice to anyone, but the most exclusionary people you will find
> will be Christian homeschoolers in statement-of-faith groups. They'll even
> exclude other Christians.
years and we have been excluded from participation after years of service and friendship
with those involved due to a change of belief.
The purpose of the Statements of Faith are to keep out anyone not of like mind.
And unschooling is often seen as humanistic. First hand experience here to offer as
support.
Julie
shele428
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
It's unfortunate that there has been a bad experience among many, as
it seems, from those that "call" themselves Christian. It is sad that
is the case.
Yes, there are many strict types, however, I do personally know of
other faiths and groups that do promote their agenda, exlude others
from their "groups" and socialization is limited w/ others.
To be honest, a lot of Christian Unschoolers are out here, but feel
like they are attacked either way, from both sides if they speak up.
One from the "my way is the only way group, and the Christian
bashers".
I really don't see what difference it makes that any group has a
statement of faith, that is what our country is all about. Freedom of
speech and freedom to choose. I do not, and know many who feel the
same, want to "push" my beliefs onto anyone.
BTW, I rarely wear dresses, (personal preference), jeans and cotton
shirts are my usual attire, love to wear make-up, have since I can
remember. We're not into "dress codes" in this family, to each
his/her own. Matter of fact,I wore hip jeans to church today, w/
black studded belt, and polo shirt and sandals. We listen to All
types of music, interact daily w/ so many different types of people,
go to interesting places and are constantly learning together. We are
subscribers to HEM, love it, and big John Holt fans. (which btw, I
didn't start reading until last year) oh, I like Dr. Phil too! :)
IMO, "teach your own", by John Holt & Pat Farenga is a good book to
read to help people(regardless of faith,which I am including
Christians) that have problems w/ other groups beliefs and such get
past them. Question from above book, page 29, "How are we going to
prevent parents with narrrow and bigoted ideas from passing these on
to their children?" If anyone is interested in what follows please
check this book out, as I have already taken too much of Sandra's
time.
BTW, regardless of differences of opinion, I think this is a good
unschooling site! :)
Shele428
>Hi Sandra,
> In a message dated 3/13/04 12:59:10 PM, ben2edge@y... writes:
>
> <<
It's unfortunate that there has been a bad experience among many, as
it seems, from those that "call" themselves Christian. It is sad that
is the case.
Yes, there are many strict types, however, I do personally know of
other faiths and groups that do promote their agenda, exlude others
from their "groups" and socialization is limited w/ others.
To be honest, a lot of Christian Unschoolers are out here, but feel
like they are attacked either way, from both sides if they speak up.
One from the "my way is the only way group, and the Christian
bashers".
I really don't see what difference it makes that any group has a
statement of faith, that is what our country is all about. Freedom of
speech and freedom to choose. I do not, and know many who feel the
same, want to "push" my beliefs onto anyone.
BTW, I rarely wear dresses, (personal preference), jeans and cotton
shirts are my usual attire, love to wear make-up, have since I can
remember. We're not into "dress codes" in this family, to each
his/her own. Matter of fact,I wore hip jeans to church today, w/
black studded belt, and polo shirt and sandals. We listen to All
types of music, interact daily w/ so many different types of people,
go to interesting places and are constantly learning together. We are
subscribers to HEM, love it, and big John Holt fans. (which btw, I
didn't start reading until last year) oh, I like Dr. Phil too! :)
IMO, "teach your own", by John Holt & Pat Farenga is a good book to
read to help people(regardless of faith,which I am including
Christians) that have problems w/ other groups beliefs and such get
past them. Question from above book, page 29, "How are we going to
prevent parents with narrrow and bigoted ideas from passing these on
to their children?" If anyone is interested in what follows please
check this book out, as I have already taken too much of Sandra's
time.
BTW, regardless of differences of opinion, I think this is a good
unschooling site! :)
Shele428
tjreynoso
I didn't get the same thing as Sandra out of her post either. It
seems some people have had bad experiences with fundies and that's
unfortunate. I've had bad experiences with Christians, Muslims,
Hindu, Jews, homeschoolers, unschoolers........
Blanket statements about any particular group aren't correct unless
you know EVERYONE in that group. Why is it that in discussions
about christian unschoolers there is usually a disclaimer added to
any acknowledgement that maybe not ALL are the same, BUT......this
rarely happens when another group is being discussed?
There is no denying that people like the ones Sandra often describes
exist. But must we ALL be painted with the same brush? If you
(generally speaking) want to use blanket statements for ease in
making your point then there are going to be alot of people excluded
from getting any benefit out of a discussion because of
generalities. Granted, you can't address every post specifically
but neither should they be so general that they lose their
--- In [email protected], Elizabeth Roberts
<mamabethuscg@y...> wrote:
all christian homeschoolers as being limited in scope and that not
all fundamentalist and christian homeschoolers are pushy, school at
home types. (She being a case in point.) And that assuming
anything about "all" christian homeschoolers is a form of bigotry.
Shele428, did i get this right? Perhaps I misunderstood.
seems some people have had bad experiences with fundies and that's
unfortunate. I've had bad experiences with Christians, Muslims,
Hindu, Jews, homeschoolers, unschoolers........
Blanket statements about any particular group aren't correct unless
you know EVERYONE in that group. Why is it that in discussions
about christian unschoolers there is usually a disclaimer added to
any acknowledgement that maybe not ALL are the same, BUT......this
rarely happens when another group is being discussed?
There is no denying that people like the ones Sandra often describes
exist. But must we ALL be painted with the same brush? If you
(generally speaking) want to use blanket statements for ease in
making your point then there are going to be alot of people excluded
from getting any benefit out of a discussion because of
generalities. Granted, you can't address every post specifically
but neither should they be so general that they lose their
--- In [email protected], Elizabeth Roberts
<mamabethuscg@y...> wrote:
> I don't think you did. That was the same thing I got out of it.Sandra's response. I understood shele428 to be saying not to judge
>
> Elizabeth
>
> Lisa H <Lmanathome@m...> wrote:
> I had a different understanding of shele428's posting than
all christian homeschoolers as being limited in scope and that not
all fundamentalist and christian homeschoolers are pushy, school at
home types. (She being a case in point.) And that assuming
anything about "all" christian homeschoolers is a form of bigotry.
Shele428, did i get this right? Perhaps I misunderstood.
>group.
> Lisa H.
>
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...point.
Sorry, my 2yo hit the keyboard! LOL!
I wanted to add that this is not a personal attack on anyone. Read
it with a smile!
Tanya
--- In [email protected], "tjreynoso"
<tjreynoso@y...> wrote:
Sorry, my 2yo hit the keyboard! LOL!
I wanted to add that this is not a personal attack on anyone. Read
it with a smile!
Tanya
--- In [email protected], "tjreynoso"
<tjreynoso@y...> wrote:
> I didn't get the same thing as Sandra out of her post either. Itunless
> seems some people have had bad experiences with fundies and that's
> unfortunate. I've had bad experiences with Christians, Muslims,
> Hindu, Jews, homeschoolers, unschoolers........
>
> Blanket statements about any particular group aren't correct
> you know EVERYONE in that group. Why is it that in discussionsdescribes
> about christian unschoolers there is usually a disclaimer added to
> any acknowledgement that maybe not ALL are the same, BUT......this
> rarely happens when another group is being discussed?
>
> There is no denying that people like the ones Sandra often
> exist. But must we ALL be painted with the same brush? If youexcluded
> (generally speaking) want to use blanket statements for ease in
> making your point then there are going to be alot of people
> from getting any benefit out of a discussion because ofjudge
> generalities. Granted, you can't address every post specifically
> but neither should they be so general that they lose their
>
>
> --- In [email protected], Elizabeth Roberts
> <mamabethuscg@y...> wrote:
> > I don't think you did. That was the same thing I got out of it.
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > Lisa H <Lmanathome@m...> wrote:
> > I had a different understanding of shele428's posting than
> Sandra's response. I understood shele428 to be saying not to
> all christian homeschoolers as being limited in scope and that notat
> all fundamentalist and christian homeschoolers are pushy, school
> home types. (She being a case in point.) And that assumingbigotry.
> anything about "all" christian homeschoolers is a form of
> Shele428, did i get this right? Perhaps I misunderstood.
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In a message dated 3/15/04 11:54:36 AM, tjreynoso@... writes:
<<
Blanket statements about any particular group aren't correct unless
you know EVERYONE in that group. >>
Who knows everyone in any group?
Do we just stop talking or writing?
I don't know every unschooler in the world, so should I not say anything abut
unschooling?
I don't know every single person in Albuquerque, so should I say "Sorry, I'm
not qualified to say anything about people in Albuquerque because I don't know
them all"?
<<Why is it that in discussions
about christian unschoolers there is usually a disclaimer added to
any acknowledgement that maybe not ALL are the same, BUT......this
rarely happens when another group is being discussed?>>
Disclaimers are good.
Without "labels" (nouns) and general statements, we can't discuss anything at
all.
<<There is no denying that people like the ones Sandra often describes
exist. But must we ALL be painted with the same brush? >>
No. If something doesn't apply to me I don't jump up and take it in the
face.
<<If you
(generally speaking) want to use blanket statements for ease in
making your point then there are going to be alot of people excluded
from getting any benefit out of a discussion because of
generalities. >>
I don't believe this is so.
Sandra
<<
Blanket statements about any particular group aren't correct unless
you know EVERYONE in that group. >>
Who knows everyone in any group?
Do we just stop talking or writing?
I don't know every unschooler in the world, so should I not say anything abut
unschooling?
I don't know every single person in Albuquerque, so should I say "Sorry, I'm
not qualified to say anything about people in Albuquerque because I don't know
them all"?
<<Why is it that in discussions
about christian unschoolers there is usually a disclaimer added to
any acknowledgement that maybe not ALL are the same, BUT......this
rarely happens when another group is being discussed?>>
Disclaimers are good.
Without "labels" (nouns) and general statements, we can't discuss anything at
all.
<<There is no denying that people like the ones Sandra often describes
exist. But must we ALL be painted with the same brush? >>
No. If something doesn't apply to me I don't jump up and take it in the
face.
<<If you
(generally speaking) want to use blanket statements for ease in
making your point then there are going to be alot of people excluded
from getting any benefit out of a discussion because of
generalities. >>
I don't believe this is so.
Sandra
arcarpenter2003
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
*"I'm looking for an unschooling group or at least a homeschooling
group that isn't fundamentalist and is committed to respectful,
attachment parenting, and
*here's what I've explored, and
*I've found that every known group in my area *is* fundamentalist and
is *not* practicing respectful parenting, and
*can you help me think of other things to explore?"
I think lots of people can benefit from some of the very good ideas
that the original post inspired.
Peace,
Amy
>excluded
> In a message dated 3/15/04 11:54:36 AM, tjreynoso@y... writes:
> <<If you
>
> (generally speaking) want to use blanket statements for ease in
>
> making your point then there are going to be alot of people
>Nor do I. This started with my post saying (paraphrased),
> from getting any benefit out of a discussion because of
>
> generalities. >>
>
> I don't believe this is so.
>
> Sandra
*"I'm looking for an unschooling group or at least a homeschooling
group that isn't fundamentalist and is committed to respectful,
attachment parenting, and
*here's what I've explored, and
*I've found that every known group in my area *is* fundamentalist and
is *not* practicing respectful parenting, and
*can you help me think of other things to explore?"
I think lots of people can benefit from some of the very good ideas
that the original post inspired.
Peace,
Amy