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In a message dated 6/7/00 11:19:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tn-k4of5@... writes:

<< Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over
there and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing
her children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as that
would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share the
event with all of you. It upset me a bit.
>>
Nanci, you have a lot more restrant than I do. I would have told that woman
what I do in my babe do in our own yard is our business!

I saw an older brother (15 or so) teasing his little brother (8 maybe) that
the little one was scared to go past him into his own house. I was walking
the dog. I spoke right up and informed him that he should be protecting and
helping his brother instead of scaring him. He told me that "it is my
brother and he isn't anything but a cry baby" I told him "you would probably
be crying to if someone twice your size was picking on you" Not the most
intellegant response but all I could think of in a hurry. I asked the little
one if I could help him home, but of course he refused and continued to cry
as I walked angryly away.

While we are venting, DO NOT have your kids picture taken at Wal-mart before
checking them out first. My kids are slow to warm up to people so I took
them as soon as the photo place opened. The lady proceeded to tell me that
my kids were very shy (a label I am trying not to use with them) and got
frustrated that they would not sit still and smile as she asked on a very
narrow table. They ARE 3 AND 1! So I did all the work to get them to smile,
which was fine, if there had been film in the camera! After waiting 3 weeks,
I called to see if they the pictures were in and the manager said that the
lady that took our pictures was new and didn't know that there was no film
there. Now main stream kids who are shuffled from place to place and person
to person, this would not be a problem. However, for us just a trip across
town is an event that requires special cirrumstances, timing and a small
mircle from God!. (little one has to be in the mood or screams the entire
trip) So I said forget it I will go to a Olan Mills which is right down the
street and they open earlier. I called and talk to the lady about my
cautious children and she said "Thanks for the information. Come early and I
will play with them first." YEPPY.

When I call the Wal-mart studio, they told me I had to come back when they
had cash in their drawer to give to me. BTW which is never early in the
morning when my kids will ride in the car! The whole experience just angers
me! So we went yesterday, when the little one took a nap in the car seat and
Ali (3) was so tired she could hardly walk to get our $50 back. When we got
there, the manager was taking a picture of a little boy probably 3 and was
say rather nasty "it is going to take longer if you keep moving. see you
already have moved from the way I put you." and she was acting very
frustrated and angry. HELLO IF YOU DON'T LIKE AND RESPECT CHILDREN GET A
DIFFERENT JOB, LADY!!!! The parents did not say anything thought you could
tell the father was getting peeved. The manager proceed to take my number
and tell me she did not have any money to give me but would call me. I was
not happy! We did some shopping and went back (almost 2 hrs later) and did
get our refund, but not without a lot of anger and stress.

bjackson

Hi Julie. I've had similar experiences with photographers and I know what
you mean about the difficulty of getting ready and going out with small
children. I've pretty much resigned to just taking photos myself and having
them enlarged, but I found an older lady who has obviously been a mother
before that I use when we do use a photographer. I think that makes a big
difference--if they've been a mother themselves.
And as for shyness, people have annoyingly commented about my daughter
being shy too. I too am careful not to label her, and I would usually say,
"No she's not shy, she just has to get to know you," which is true. Kids
who are home with their mom and not dropped off with strangers regularly
are naturally more cautious around strangers, which is a good thing. Though
people advised me that I needed to push her to "be brave" and give her more
experience in other's care, I didn't listen and just gave her all the time
she needed. Now she has become a trusting, outgoing, independent
almost-6-year-old. ---Becky
----------
> From: Jaam1224@...
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] more venting
> Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:28 AM
>
> In a message dated 6/7/00 11:19:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> tn-k4of5@... writes:
>
> << Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over

> there and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and
abusing
> her children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as
that
> would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share
the
> event with all of you. It upset me a bit.
> >>
> Nanci, you have a lot more restrant than I do. I would have told that
woman
> what I do in my babe do in our own yard is our business!
>
> I saw an older brother (15 or so) teasing his little brother (8 maybe)
that
> the little one was scared to go past him into his own house. I was
walking
> the dog. I spoke right up and informed him that he should be protecting
and
> helping his brother instead of scaring him. He told me that "it is my
> brother and he isn't anything but a cry baby" I told him "you would
probably
> be crying to if someone twice your size was picking on you" Not the most

> intellegant response but all I could think of in a hurry. I asked the
little
> one if I could help him home, but of course he refused and continued to
cry
> as I walked angryly away.
>
> While we are venting, DO NOT have your kids picture taken at Wal-mart
before
> checking them out first. My kids are slow to warm up to people so I took

> them as soon as the photo place opened. The lady proceeded to tell me
that
> my kids were very shy (a label I am trying not to use with them) and got
> frustrated that they would not sit still and smile as she asked on a very

> narrow table. They ARE 3 AND 1! So I did all the work to get them to
smile,
> which was fine, if there had been film in the camera! After waiting 3
weeks,
> I called to see if they the pictures were in and the manager said that
the
> lady that took our pictures was new and didn't know that there was no
film
> there. Now main stream kids who are shuffled from place to place and
person
> to person, this would not be a problem. However, for us just a trip
across
> town is an event that requires special cirrumstances, timing and a small
> mircle from God!. (little one has to be in the mood or screams the
entire
> trip) So I said forget it I will go to a Olan Mills which is right down
the
> street and they open earlier. I called and talk to the lady about my
> cautious children and she said "Thanks for the information. Come early
and I
> will play with them first." YEPPY.
>
> When I call the Wal-mart studio, they told me I had to come back when
they
> had cash in their drawer to give to me. BTW which is never early in the
> morning when my kids will ride in the car! The whole experience just
angers
> me! So we went yesterday, when the little one took a nap in the car seat
and
> Ali (3) was so tired she could hardly walk to get our $50 back. When we
got
> there, the manager was taking a picture of a little boy probably 3 and
was
> say rather nasty "it is going to take longer if you keep moving. see you

> already have moved from the way I put you." and she was acting very
> frustrated and angry. HELLO IF YOU DON'T LIKE AND RESPECT CHILDREN GET A

> DIFFERENT JOB, LADY!!!! The parents did not say anything thought you
could
> tell the father was getting peeved. The manager proceed to take my
number
> and tell me she did not have any money to give me but would call me. I
was
> not happy! We did some shopping and went back (almost 2 hrs later) and
did
> get our refund, but not without a lot of anger and stress.
>
>
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bjackson

Hi Julie. I've had similar experiences with photographers and I know what
you mean about the difficulty of getting ready and going out with small
children. I've pretty much resigned to just taking photos myself and having
them enlarged, but I found an older lady who has obviously been a mother
before that I use when we do use a photographer. I think that makes a big
difference--if they've been a mother themselves.
And as for shyness, people have annoyingly commented about my daughter
being shy too. I too am careful not to label her, and I would usually say,
"No she's not shy, she just has to get to know you," which is true. Kids
who are home with their mom and not dropped off with strangers regularly
are naturally more cautious around strangers, which is a good thing. Though
people advised me that I needed to push her to "be brave" and give her more
experience in other's care, I didn't listen and just gave her all the time
she needed. Now she has become a trusting, outgoing, independent
almost-6-year-old. ---Becky
----------
> From: Jaam1224@...
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] more venting
> Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:28 AM
>
> In a message dated 6/7/00 11:19:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> tn-k4of5@... writes:
>
> << Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over

> there and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and
abusing
> her children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as
that
> would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share
the
> event with all of you. It upset me a bit.
> >>
> Nanci, you have a lot more restrant than I do. I would have told that
woman
> what I do in my babe do in our own yard is our business!
>
> I saw an older brother (15 or so) teasing his little brother (8 maybe)
that
> the little one was scared to go past him into his own house. I was
walking
> the dog. I spoke right up and informed him that he should be protecting
and
> helping his brother instead of scaring him. He told me that "it is my
> brother and he isn't anything but a cry baby" I told him "you would
probably
> be crying to if someone twice your size was picking on you" Not the most

> intellegant response but all I could think of in a hurry. I asked the
little
> one if I could help him home, but of course he refused and continued to
cry
> as I walked angryly away.
>
> While we are venting, DO NOT have your kids picture taken at Wal-mart
before
> checking them out first. My kids are slow to warm up to people so I took

> them as soon as the photo place opened. The lady proceeded to tell me
that
> my kids were very shy (a label I am trying not to use with them) and got
> frustrated that they would not sit still and smile as she asked on a very

> narrow table. They ARE 3 AND 1! So I did all the work to get them to
smile,
> which was fine, if there had been film in the camera! After waiting 3
weeks,
> I called to see if they the pictures were in and the manager said that
the
> lady that took our pictures was new and didn't know that there was no
film
> there. Now main stream kids who are shuffled from place to place and
person
> to person, this would not be a problem. However, for us just a trip
across
> town is an event that requires special cirrumstances, timing and a small
> mircle from God!. (little one has to be in the mood or screams the
entire
> trip) So I said forget it I will go to a Olan Mills which is right down
the
> street and they open earlier. I called and talk to the lady about my
> cautious children and she said "Thanks for the information. Come early
and I
> will play with them first." YEPPY.
>
> When I call the Wal-mart studio, they told me I had to come back when
they
> had cash in their drawer to give to me. BTW which is never early in the
> morning when my kids will ride in the car! The whole experience just
angers
> me! So we went yesterday, when the little one took a nap in the car seat
and
> Ali (3) was so tired she could hardly walk to get our $50 back. When we
got
> there, the manager was taking a picture of a little boy probably 3 and
was
> say rather nasty "it is going to take longer if you keep moving. see you

> already have moved from the way I put you." and she was acting very
> frustrated and angry. HELLO IF YOU DON'T LIKE AND RESPECT CHILDREN GET A

> DIFFERENT JOB, LADY!!!! The parents did not say anything thought you
could
> tell the father was getting peeved. The manager proceed to take my
number
> and tell me she did not have any money to give me but would call me. I
was
> not happy! We did some shopping and went back (almost 2 hrs later) and
did
> get our refund, but not without a lot of anger and stress.
>
>
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April

I have an 11dd who used to be "the shy one". We too tried to stay away from
labels and never forced social situations on her. Then one day about 2years
ago she blossomed into the most outgoing, social girl you've ever seen! I
have no idea why, but when she was ready, look out world!
April

-----Original Message-----
From: bjackson [mailto:beckyjackson@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] more venting


Hi Julie. I've had similar experiences with photographers and I know what
you mean about the difficulty of getting ready and going out with small
children. I've pretty much resigned to just taking photos myself and having
them enlarged, but I found an older lady who has obviously been a mother
before that I use when we do use a photographer. I think that makes a big
difference--if they've been a mother themselves.
And as for shyness, people have annoyingly commented about my daughter
being shy too. I too am careful not to label her, and I would usually say,
"No she's not shy, she just has to get to know you," which is true. Kids
who are home with their mom and not dropped off with strangers regularly
are naturally more cautious around strangers, which is a good thing. Though
people advised me that I needed to push her to "be brave" and give her more
experience in other's care, I didn't listen and just gave her all the time
she needed. Now she has become a trusting, outgoing, independent
almost-6-year-old. ---Becky
----------
> From: Jaam1224@...
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] more venting
> Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:28 AM
>
> In a message dated 6/7/00 11:19:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> tn-k4of5@... writes:
>
> << Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over

> there and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and
abusing
> her children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as
that
> would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share
the
> event with all of you. It upset me a bit.
> >>
> Nanci, you have a lot more restrant than I do. I would have told that
woman
> what I do in my babe do in our own yard is our business!
>
> I saw an older brother (15 or so) teasing his little brother (8 maybe)
that
> the little one was scared to go past him into his own house. I was
walking
> the dog. I spoke right up and informed him that he should be protecting
and
> helping his brother instead of scaring him. He told me that "it is my
> brother and he isn't anything but a cry baby" I told him "you would
probably
> be crying to if someone twice your size was picking on you" Not the most

> intellegant response but all I could think of in a hurry. I asked the
little
> one if I could help him home, but of course he refused and continued to
cry
> as I walked angryly away.
>
> While we are venting, DO NOT have your kids picture taken at Wal-mart
before
> checking them out first. My kids are slow to warm up to people so I took

> them as soon as the photo place opened. The lady proceeded to tell me
that
> my kids were very shy (a label I am trying not to use with them) and got
> frustrated that they would not sit still and smile as she asked on a very

> narrow table. They ARE 3 AND 1! So I did all the work to get them to
smile,
> which was fine, if there had been film in the camera! After waiting 3
weeks,
> I called to see if they the pictures were in and the manager said that
the
> lady that took our pictures was new and didn't know that there was no
film
> there. Now main stream kids who are shuffled from place to place and
person
> to person, this would not be a problem. However, for us just a trip
across
> town is an event that requires special cirrumstances, timing and a small
> mircle from God!. (little one has to be in the mood or screams the
entire
> trip) So I said forget it I will go to a Olan Mills which is right down
the
> street and they open earlier. I called and talk to the lady about my
> cautious children and she said "Thanks for the information. Come early
and I
> will play with them first." YEPPY.
>
> When I call the Wal-mart studio, they told me I had to come back when
they
> had cash in their drawer to give to me. BTW which is never early in the
> morning when my kids will ride in the car! The whole experience just
angers
> me! So we went yesterday, when the little one took a nap in the car seat
and
> Ali (3) was so tired she could hardly walk to get our $50 back. When we
got
> there, the manager was taking a picture of a little boy probably 3 and
was
> say rather nasty "it is going to take longer if you keep moving. see you

> already have moved from the way I put you." and she was acting very
> frustrated and angry. HELLO IF YOU DON'T LIKE AND RESPECT CHILDREN GET A

> DIFFERENT JOB, LADY!!!! The parents did not say anything thought you
could
> tell the father was getting peeved. The manager proceed to take my
number
> and tell me she did not have any money to give me but would call me. I
was
> not happy! We did some shopping and went back (almost 2 hrs later) and
did
> get our refund, but not without a lot of anger and stress.
>
>
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Amy

So I said forget it I will go to a Olan Mills which is right down the
> street and they open earlier. I called and talk to the lady about my
> cautious children and she said "Thanks for the information. Come early
and I
> will play with them first." YEPPY.

We had a nightmare with Olan Mills at Christmas and I will never use them
again. My dh's whole side of the family was getting together for a family
portrait (13 of us in all). Not only were we having the large group, but all
of us were each doing smaller groups (our own families, kids, one of just
the cousins, etc). We were going to purchase 2 of the biggest cameo
portraits they have, over $125 ea. plus others. We probably were going to be
spending over $500 in all. It took forever for them to take us in for the
pictures and the photgrapher was extremly rude. Two weeks later they called
us and told us we had to go back and have them taken all over again! They
had cut off someone's head in the large group photo and the one of my family
had a light in it that wasn't supposed to be. So we all gort ready and
trugged back (with a special appointment). We walked into a mob scene. After
~20-30 min. the photographer appeared and told us there was a 4 hour wait!
Needless to say we walked out and they lost $500. It still makes me mad to
this day!
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaam1224@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] more venting


> In a message dated 6/7/00 11:19:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> tn-k4of5@... writes:
>
> << Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over
> there and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing
> her children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as
that
> would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share
the
> event with all of you. It upset me a bit.
> >>
> Nanci, you have a lot more restrant than I do. I would have told that
woman
> what I do in my babe do in our own yard is our business!
>
> I saw an older brother (15 or so) teasing his little brother (8 maybe)
that
> the little one was scared to go past him into his own house. I was
walking
> the dog. I spoke right up and informed him that he should be protecting
and
> helping his brother instead of scaring him. He told me that "it is my
> brother and he isn't anything but a cry baby" I told him "you would
probably
> be crying to if someone twice your size was picking on you" Not the most
> intellegant response but all I could think of in a hurry. I asked the
little
> one if I could help him home, but of course he refused and continued to
cry
> as I walked angryly away.
>
> While we are venting, DO NOT have your kids picture taken at Wal-mart
before
> checking them out first. My kids are slow to warm up to people so I took
> them as soon as the photo place opened. The lady proceeded to tell me
that
> my kids were very shy (a label I am trying not to use with them) and got
> frustrated that they would not sit still and smile as she asked on a very
> narrow table. They ARE 3 AND 1! So I did all the work to get them to
smile,
> which was fine, if there had been film in the camera! After waiting 3
weeks,
> I called to see if they the pictures were in and the manager said that the
> lady that took our pictures was new and didn't know that there was no film
> there. Now main stream kids who are shuffled from place to place and
person
> to person, this would not be a problem. However, for us just a trip
across
> town is an event that requires special cirrumstances, timing and a small
> mircle from God!. (little one has to be in the mood or screams the entire
> trip) >
> When I call the Wal-mart studio, they told me I had to come back when they
> had cash in their drawer to give to me. BTW which is never early in the
> morning when my kids will ride in the car! The whole experience just
angers
> me! So we went yesterday, when the little one took a nap in the car seat
and
> Ali (3) was so tired she could hardly walk to get our $50 back. When we
got
> there, the manager was taking a picture of a little boy probably 3 and was
> say rather nasty "it is going to take longer if you keep moving. see you
> already have moved from the way I put you." and she was acting very
> frustrated and angry. HELLO IF YOU DON'T LIKE AND RESPECT CHILDREN GET A
> DIFFERENT JOB, LADY!!!! The parents did not say anything thought you
could
> tell the father was getting peeved. The manager proceed to take my number
> and tell me she did not have any money to give me but would call me. I
was
> not happy! We did some shopping and went back (almost 2 hrs later) and
did
> get our refund, but not without a lot of anger and stress.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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