Sonia Ulan

Hi Nanci,

All I can say is, "YIKES!!!"

What is to become of this world? (And those poor neighbour girls...) I
think my children have been naked in the yard at the ripe old age of 5!
What's the big, hairy deal regarding babies yet? Jealousy! Your
neighbour is jealous of your mothering or something...

Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall wrote:
>
> Hi all. Had a rather unpleasant experience yesterday. My two toddlers (2 and 3) were splashing around naked in a wading pool in our backyard. Our neighbor, who has two girls (7 and 13) came over and complained, saying that she did not want her girls to see my boys naked. We do not yet have privacy fencing up in back, just chain fencing. I thought it was particularly silly, given that my babes are not even toilet trained yet, and are still in diapers. In the interests of neighborhood peace, I aquiesced to putting shorts on them.
>
> However, this is the same neighbor who screams/shouts obscenities at her daughters in the yard (front and back) at the top of her lungs all the time. She also pulls their hair and strikes them, that I have seen, as well as calling them stupid, fat, etc. Not the type of things I really want my toddlers to see or hear. Especially since the 7 year old (and often her 8 yr old cousin) comes over frequently to play in our house and yard and my 3 year old is quite fond of her.
>
> Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over there and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing her children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as that would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share the event with all of you. It upset me a bit.
>
> Nanci K.
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Hi all. Had a rather unpleasant experience yesterday. My two toddlers (2 and 3) were splashing around naked in a wading pool in our backyard. Our neighbor, who has two girls (7 and 13) came over and complained, saying that she did not want her girls to see my boys naked. We do not yet have privacy fencing up in back, just chain fencing. I thought it was particularly silly, given that my babes are not even toilet trained yet, and are still in diapers. In the interests of neighborhood peace, I aquiesced to putting shorts on them.

However, this is the same neighbor who screams/shouts obscenities at her daughters in the yard (front and back) at the top of her lungs all the time. She also pulls their hair and strikes them, that I have seen, as well as calling them stupid, fat, etc. Not the type of things I really want my toddlers to see or hear. Especially since the 7 year old (and often her 8 yr old cousin) comes over frequently to play in our house and yard and my 3 year old is quite fond of her.

Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over there and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing her children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as that would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share the event with all of you. It upset me a bit.

Nanci K.

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One major comment here, be careful with this woman. Her "issue" with your
babies tells more about HER than anything. That is tough when you don't have
the privacy fence there. I, personally, think she is ill in thought because
2&3 years old and she's got a problem with it? Like I said, it states a lot
about her. We have a privacy fence on one side and the back of our yard, the
open side faces nothing but a greenbelt and my Emily, 5yo, STILL loves to
get into her little pool nakie, but really likes to run around in her
panties. I told her only in the back yard.

I would like to say that I would have told her she was sick and perverted
for thinking anything was wrong with your boys being outside at that age
nudie, but we live in a society full of shame and shaming. Especially for
the naked body, one of the most natural things on our Mother earth However
in this time you have to really think before you say something like that
because you never know how far someone may take something and it's too bad
to feel that way but one must take care with people like that. It's sad (and
she's nuts.)

Good luck and love!

Brynn


"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night and day
to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any human
being can fight and never stop fighting."
--e.e. cummings



-----Original Message-----
From: Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall [mailto:tn-k4of5@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 7:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues


Hi all. Had a rather unpleasant experience yesterday. My two toddlers (2
and 3) were splashing around naked in a wading pool in our backyard. Our
neighbor, who has two girls (7 and 13) came over and complained, saying that
she did not want her girls to see my boys naked. We do not yet have privacy
fencing up in back, just chain fencing. I thought it was particularly silly,
given that my babes are not even toilet trained yet, and are still in
diapers. In the interests of neighborhood peace, I aquiesced to putting
shorts on them.

However, this is the same neighbor who screams/shouts obscenities at her
daughters in the yard (front and back) at the top of her lungs all the time.
She also pulls their hair and strikes them, that I have seen, as well as
calling them stupid, fat, etc. Not the type of things I really want my
toddlers to see or hear. Especially since the 7 year old (and often her 8
yr old cousin) comes over frequently to play in our house and yard and my 3
year old is quite fond of her.

Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over there
and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing her
children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as that
would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share the
event with all of you. It upset me a bit.

Nanci K.

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Hi Nancy,
 
As strange as it may seem, behaviour like your neighbor's toward you often stems from feelings of intimidation.  The outwardly negative person is all too aware of their dis-satisfaction with themselves - though they may never admit it to you.  She could very well be jealous.
 
I've found that you can often defuse a situation like the one you describe by bestowing some importance to the other person.  Specifically, by asking for their help in some innocuous way.
 
Is there something you can ask your neighbour for help or advice on - without making yourself further vulnerable to her?  (It has to be genuine, not patronizing.)  You might be surprised how quickly she turns into your staunchest defender. 
 
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Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues

Hi all.  Had a rather unpleasant experience yesterday.  My two toddlers (2 and 3) were splashing around naked in a wading pool in our backyard.  Our neighbor, who has two girls (7 and 13) came over and complained, saying that she did not want her girls to see my boys naked.  We do not yet have privacy fencing up in back, just chain fencing. I thought it was particularly silly, given that my babes are not even toilet trained yet, and are still in diapers.  In the interests of neighborhood peace, I aquiesced to putting shorts on them. 

However, this is the same neighbor who screams/shouts obscenities at her daughters in the yard (front and back) at the top of her lungs all the time.  She also pulls their hair and strikes them, that I have seen, as well as calling them stupid, fat, etc.  Not the type of things I really want my toddlers to see or hear.  Especially since the 7 year old (and often her 8 yr old cousin) comes over frequently to play in our house and yard and my 3 year old is quite fond of her. 

Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over there and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing her children where mine could hear and see it.  Of course I didn't, as that would be petty and childish.  But I just felt the need to vent and share the event with all of you.  It upset me a bit.

Nanci K.

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Debra Caruso

Shoot,my son Nick age 12 has mowed the grass in his boxers!!And I always
let my boys run naked in the yard when they were little!I agree what is
wrong here??Deb in Va

Sonia Ulan wrote:
>
> Hi Nanci,
>
> All I can say is, "YIKES!!!"
>
> What is to become of this world? (And those poor neighbour girls...) I
> think my children have been naked in the yard at the ripe old age of 5!
> What's the big, hairy deal regarding babies yet? Jealousy! Your
> neighbour is jealous of your mothering or something...
>
> Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall wrote:
> >
> > Hi all. Had a rather unpleasant experience yesterday. My two toddlers (2 and 3) were splashing around naked in a wading pool in our backyard. Our neighbor, who has two girls (7 and 13) came over and complained, saying that she did not want her girls to see my boys naked. We do not yet have privacy fencing up in back, just chain fencing. I thought it was particularly silly, given that my babes are not even toilet trained yet, and are still in diapers. In the interests of neighborhood peace, I aquiesced to putting shorts on them.
> >
> > However, this is the same neighbor who screams/shouts obscenities at her daughters in the yard (front and back) at the top of her lungs all the time. She also pulls their hair and strikes them, that I have seen, as well as calling them stupid, fat, etc.. Not the type of things I really want my toddlers to see or hear. Especially since the 7 year old (and often her 8 yr old cousin) comes over frequently to play in our house and yard and my 3 year old is quite fond of her.
> >
> > Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over there and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing her children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as that would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share the event with all of you. It upset me a bit.
> >
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In a message dated 06/08/2000 3:19:46 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
tn-k4of5@... writes:

<<
Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over there
and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing her
children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as that would
be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share the event
with all of you. It upset me a bit.

Nanci K.
>>


Oh, I can feel some nude sunbathing coming on! Where do you live??? We'll
come over and "forget" our suits!!

What a dolt your neighbor is!

Nance

Pris

wow, I'd handle this lady w/ kid gloves ... if she treats her children as
you described (ACK) what in the world would she do if she were angry w/
you??? ohhhhhhhhhh I don't think there is NOTHING cutier than little
free~hearts having a good time playing naked as a jay~bird ... when my dss
were little bitsy, they'd run around naked b/c of drs orders, esp in the
summer b/c of DIAPER RASH!!! man she would've had a field day w/ ME!!!
haha ... AND, my kidlets think it's pretty fun to swim in the buff, too
(our backyard pool is enclosed w/ a privacy fence, so total privacy!!!)

I'm not to trying to distract from your problem but this reminded me of our
h-s camping trip a few wks ago ... a h-s mom (also a friend) had her 18 mth
old skinny dipping in the river and I took a picture of him standing on a
rock while holding his mama's hand b/c I thought it was just precious (GASP,
IT WAS FRONTAL VIEW, also hinnie view, too) ... one of the h-s dads came up
to me and asked if I was planning to devlop this film myself??? I said no,
I don't know how to develop film wished I did though but I'll just mail it
off like always ... he said "WELL, you'd better be REALLY CAREFUL about
those NUDE PICTURES you're taking there, I'd HATE to hear that you're having
to homeschool from the POKEY!!!" OHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh my goodness??? ... I
said "well, my intentions aren't PERVERTED so I doubt I'd be hauled off over
friendly baby pictures!!!" ohhhhhhhhhhhh we have to deal w/ the drug
dealers, the bank robbers and all that white crime out there but the police
dept is coming after *ME*??? so, I basically laughed @ him and blew him
off ... and, yes, I had the film developed and I'm NOT wearing STRIPES!!!
haha ...

ohhhhhhhh good luck w/ your crazy neighbor and tread softly ... any chances
they'll move??? hehe ...
Pris
----- Original Message -----
From: panchot <panchot@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:32 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues


> One major comment here, be careful with this woman. Her "issue" with your
> babies tells more about HER than anything. That is tough when you don't
have
> the privacy fence there. I, personally, think she is ill in thought
because
> 2&3 years old and she's got a problem with it? Like I said, it states a
lot
> about her. We have a privacy fence on one side and the back of our yard,
the
> open side faces nothing but a greenbelt and my Emily, 5yo, STILL loves to
> get into her little pool nakie, but really likes to run around in her
> panties. I told her only in the back yard.
>
> I would like to say that I would have told her she was sick and perverted
> for thinking anything was wrong with your boys being outside at that age
> nudie, but we live in a society full of shame and shaming. Especially for
> the naked body, one of the most natural things on our Mother earth However
> in this time you have to really think before you say something like that
> because you never know how far someone may take something and it's too bad
> to feel that way but one must take care with people like that. It's sad
(and
> she's nuts.)
>
> Good luck and love!
>
> Brynn
>
>
> "To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night and
day
> to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any
human
> being can fight and never stop fighting."
> --e.e. cummings
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall [mailto:tn-k4of5@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 7:19 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues
>
>
> Hi all. Had a rather unpleasant experience yesterday. My two toddlers (2
> and 3) were splashing around naked in a wading pool in our backyard. Our
> neighbor, who has two girls (7 and 13) came over and complained, saying
that
> she did not want her girls to see my boys naked. We do not yet have
privacy
> fencing up in back, just chain fencing. I thought it was particularly
silly,
> given that my babes are not even toilet trained yet, and are still in
> diapers. In the interests of neighborhood peace, I aquiesced to putting
> shorts on them.
>
> However, this is the same neighbor who screams/shouts obscenities at her
> daughters in the yard (front and back) at the top of her lungs all the
time.
> She also pulls their hair and strikes them, that I have seen, as well as
> calling them stupid, fat, etc. Not the type of things I really want my
> toddlers to see or hear. Especially since the 7 year old (and often her 8
> yr old cousin) comes over frequently to play in our house and yard and my
3
> year old is quite fond of her.
>
> Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over
there
> and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing her
> children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as that
> would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share
the
> event with all of you. It upset me a bit.
>
> Nanci K.
>
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last one in is the rotten egg and don't forget to bring your sunscreen <VBG>

*dolt* I like word!!!
Pris


> Oh, I can feel some nude sunbathing coming on! Where do you live???
We'll come over and "forget" our > suits!!
>
> What a dolt your neighbor is!
>
> Nance

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In a message dated 6/8/00 12:05:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
x_t_sipr@... writes:

<< my kidlets think it's pretty fun to swim in the buff, too
(our backyard pool is enclosed w/ a privacy fence, so total privacy!!!)
>>
I would love to be able to go swimming in the buff still and I am 30.....hee
hee hee

I took a picture of Ali when she was 2, naked, and Walmart refused to print
them. My own child! Helllllo.....She is now 3 and has been in the naked
phase for about a year and half....I keep thinking it is going to pass soon,
but still hasn't. Now my ds know what it feels like to be naked (air was
broke one day) and he is always pulling at his outfit for me to take it off.

JUlie

Holly Atchison

You have every right to let your children swim outside in the buff. I took
my children to the beach the other day here (X <------tiny island in
Portugal) and the local orphanage had all the kids at the beach and most of
the little ones were naked. In fact most european children do not swim in
suits until they get older. In my opinion you should do as you see fit and
not as your neigbor sees fit as she doesn't seem to have any skills for you
to learn from as it is. There really isn't anything she can do to you
whether she likes it or not. If I were you I would tell her that what your
children do in their own backyard is none of her business and if she is
truly offended by it she should put up a privacy fence. AND... If you
really want to get down to it, we live ON a military base and they are VERY
conservative here and I see naked children in the sprinklers, pools all the
time. You sound like a good Mom, don't let this woman put a damper on how
you raise your own kids.


>From: "Pris" <x_t_sipr@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:57:49 -0500
>
>last one in is the rotten egg and don't forget to bring your sunscreen
><VBG>
>
>*dolt* I like word!!!
>Pris
>
>
> > Oh, I can feel some nude sunbathing coming on! Where do you live???
>We'll come over and "forget" our > suits!!
> >
> > What a dolt your neighbor is!
> >
> > Nance
>
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> Unfortunatly for americans though, the european thinking is much different
> than than the American thinking. It's great that people around you feel
> comfortable with nudity, here in the us you could end up with DSS on ypur
> doorstep.

Yes, last summer someone called the police on 3 year old twin girls swimming
nude in the apartment swimming pool here.

:-) Diane

Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall

>Oh, I can feel some nude sunbathing coming on! Where do you live??? We'll
>come over and "forget" our suits!!
>
>What a dolt your neighbor is!
>
>Nance

Thanks, LOL. We live in a very conservative, majority Mormon community in SE Idaho, although I do not know if these particular neighbors are Mormon. It is all very new for me, coming from living almost my entire life in San Francisco.

I get the feeling that they do not want their little one playing with mine, as they are always coming to fetch her home when she is here. However, she will be here for 2 hours or more before they come looking for her.

Today they were out playing in the back yard (my two and this neighbor girl) and my three year old came crying to tell me that she had hit him in the face. So I said, "Well, let's go talk to her." When I asked if she had hit him she launched into a whole big complex story about why she "Had" to hit him, just a little. The whole while not meeting my gaze and clearly nervous. So I took her chin gently and I looked into her eyes and said, "In this house, we don't hit." Then I smiled and gave her a bit of a hug and left the kids to play. She looked tremendously relieved. LOL Poor thing. She does seem to really like to come over and spend time here.

Nanci K.



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Unfortunatly for americans though, the european thinking is much different
than than the American thinking. It's great that people around you feel
comfortable with nudity, here in the us you could end up with DSS on ypur
doorstep.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: Holly Atchison <HollyAtch@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues


> You have every right to let your children swim outside in the buff. I
took
> my children to the beach the other day here (X <------tiny island in
> Portugal) and the local orphanage had all the kids at the beach and most
of
> the little ones were naked. In fact most european children do not swim
in
> suits until they get older. In my opinion you should do as you see fit
and
> not as your neigbor sees fit as she doesn't seem to have any skills for
you
> to learn from as it is. There really isn't anything she can do to you
> whether she likes it or not. If I were you I would tell her that what
your
> children do in their own backyard is none of her business and if she is
> truly offended by it she should put up a privacy fence. AND... If you
> really want to get down to it, we live ON a military base and they are
VERY
> conservative here and I see naked children in the sprinklers, pools all
the
> time. You sound like a good Mom, don't let this woman put a damper on
how
> you raise your own kids.
>
>
> >From: "Pris" <x_t_sipr@...>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues
> >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:57:49 -0500
> >
> >last one in is the rotten egg and don't forget to bring your sunscreen
> ><VBG>
> >
> >*dolt* I like word!!!
> >Pris
> >
> >
> > > Oh, I can feel some nude sunbathing coming on! Where do you live???
> >We'll come over and "forget" our > suits!!
> > >
> > > What a dolt your neighbor is!
> > >
> > > Nance
> >
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Nanci,

Sounds like your neighbor is one twisted sister. I agree that you ought to
be very careful with her. What a hoot, eh? :) Also, don't let her steal
your sunshine. Put little shorts on da babies. Pee on her and her sick
little mind. Let them play on, splashing in the sun is still fun even with
shorts on. :)

Marcy


>From: "panchot" <panchot@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues
>Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:32:31 -0700
>
>One major comment here, be careful with this woman. Her "issue" with your
>babies tells more about HER than anything. That is tough when you don't
>have
>the privacy fence there. I, personally, think she is ill in thought because
>2&3 years old and she's got a problem with it? Like I said, it states a lot
>about her. We have a privacy fence on one side and the back of our yard,
>the
>open side faces nothing but a greenbelt and my Emily, 5yo, STILL loves to
>get into her little pool nakie, but really likes to run around in her
>panties. I told her only in the back yard.
>
>I would like to say that I would have told her she was sick and perverted
>for thinking anything was wrong with your boys being outside at that age
>nudie, but we live in a society full of shame and shaming. Especially for
>the naked body, one of the most natural things on our Mother earth However
>in this time you have to really think before you say something like that
>because you never know how far someone may take something and it's too bad
>to feel that way but one must take care with people like that. It's sad
>(and
>she's nuts.)
>
>Good luck and love!
>
>Brynn
>
>
>"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night and day
>to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any human
>being can fight and never stop fighting."
>--e.e. cummings
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall [mailto:tn-k4of5@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 7:19 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues
>
>
>Hi all. Had a rather unpleasant experience yesterday. My two toddlers (2
>and 3) were splashing around naked in a wading pool in our backyard. Our
>neighbor, who has two girls (7 and 13) came over and complained, saying
>that
>she did not want her girls to see my boys naked. We do not yet have
>privacy
>fencing up in back, just chain fencing. I thought it was particularly
>silly,
>given that my babes are not even toilet trained yet, and are still in
>diapers. In the interests of neighborhood peace, I aquiesced to putting
>shorts on them.
>
>However, this is the same neighbor who screams/shouts obscenities at her
>daughters in the yard (front and back) at the top of her lungs all the
>time.
>She also pulls their hair and strikes them, that I have seen, as well as
>calling them stupid, fat, etc. Not the type of things I really want my
>toddlers to see or hear. Especially since the 7 year old (and often her 8
>yr old cousin) comes over frequently to play in our house and yard and my 3
>year old is quite fond of her.
>
>Her demand for swim trunks on my babies gave me the urge to march over
>there
>and ask her to please refrain from screaming obscenities and abusing her
>children where mine could hear and see it. Of course I didn't, as that
>would be petty and childish. But I just felt the need to vent and share
>the
>event with all of you. It upset me a bit.
>
>Nanci K.
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Nanci,
you have alot of self control! I am very impressed. What a beautiful
example you just set for not only your children but your neighbors also.

julie

Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall

>Sounds like your neighbor is one twisted sister. I agree that you ought to
>be very careful with her. What a hoot, eh? :) Also, don't let her steal
>your sunshine. Put little shorts on da babies. Pee on her and her sick
>little mind. Let them play on, splashing in the sun is still fun even with
>shorts on. :)
>
>Marcy

Which is pretty much my take on it. All the powers that be around here (Police, etc) are mostly Mormon as well, and I have no illusions as to where their sympathies would lie, if she is Mormon. I am not, and that would be the deciding factor if my experiences so far in this community bear out.

My chief aim is to maintain the peace in the neighborhood and keep from having any enemies around us. In purely the interests of maintaining (more than anything else) the ability of the little girl to come over and play here, I will swallow my tongue and put the shorts on. My kids don't care, but just looked at me kinda' funny. "What do we need those for Mom?" :-)

Nanci K.

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on 6/8/00 5:13 PM, "Pris" <x_t_sipr@...> wrote:

> ... I
> said "well, my intentions aren't PERVERTED so I doubt I'd be hauled off over
> friendly baby pictures!!!" ohhhhhhhhhhhh we have to deal w/ the drug
> dealers, the bank robbers and all that white crime out there but the police
> dept is coming after *ME*??? so, I basically laughed @ him and blew him
> off ... and, yes, I had the film developed and I'm NOT wearing STRIPES!!!
> haha ...

You're lucky, I guess. I am on another mailing list with the sister of a
woman who was arrested for taking nude photographs of her 8 year old
daughter. The photo lab contacted police. The case was settled but she
basically had to sign some documents admitting guilt and promising never to
do it again, or risk have her daughter taken away.

Here's an article mentioning her case and others:
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2000/01/31/kincaid/
--
Thea
metta@...

Tia Leschke

>I'm not to trying to distract from your problem but this reminded me of our
>h-s camping trip a few wks ago ... a h-s mom (also a friend) had her 18 mth
>old skinny dipping in the river and I took a picture of him standing on a
>rock while holding his mama's hand b/c I thought it was just precious (GASP,
>IT WAS FRONTAL VIEW, also hinnie view, too) ... one of the h-s dads came up
>to me and asked if I was planning to devlop this film myself??? I said no,
>I don't know how to develop film wished I did though but I'll just mail it
>off like always ... he said "WELL, you'd better be REALLY CAREFUL about
>those NUDE PICTURES you're taking there, I'd HATE to hear that you're having
>to homeschool from the POKEY!!!" OHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh my goodness??? ... I
>said "well, my intentions aren't PERVERTED so I doubt I'd be hauled off over
>friendly baby pictures!!!" ohhhhhhhhhhhh we have to deal w/ the drug
>dealers, the bank robbers and all that white crime out there but the police
>dept is coming after *ME*??? so, I basically laughed @ him and blew him
>off ... and, yes, I had the film developed and I'm NOT wearing STRIPES!!!
>haha ...

This is coming up more and more. In Ontario a man took nude pictures of
his child and was arrested. The police ended up dropping the matter, but
the CAS didn't. The last I heard he was having to go to some kind of
special class about what is and isn't acceptable when photographing
children............Sheesh!

This has got to be a fairly new development, and probably depends a lot on
where you live (and what kind of dirty minds the photo lab workers have).
I've got nude pics of all my kids and the youngest is 12. They are some of
my favorite pics. I have a beautiful one of Heather at age 4 reaching over
to pick a flower, and another one of Noah, just coming out of a wading pool
with mask, fins, and snorkle........and nothing else. <g>
Tia

"Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study without
a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
------Leonardo Da Vinci

Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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Pris

Hi Tia ...

I called our local groc store photolab (I usually mail my film off) and I
asked if they'd have a problem w/ developing some pictures of my friend's
little toddler taken @ a campout @ the river ... before I described the
pictures, she laughed and said "are you talking about NUDE~BABY PICS???
*NOoooo*, there is a BIG DIFFERENCE this and PORN and we've TRAINED to
distinguish b/t the two, so please don't worry!!!" I did take her name
*just in case* the police were @ the store waiting to haul me off when I
pick these up next week ...

GOODNESS, I wonder what my dd's wedding guest thought of her PERVERTED
mother when they attended her wedding reception 3 yrs ago??? next to the
gift table and guess registry, I'd placed several nake~jay~bird ~baby pics
and other childhood pics of BOTH the bride and groom; everyone remarked how
*SWEET* this was!!! I guess you just have to consider the source and
*thankfully*, people around me know my heart!!!

Pris




----- Original Message -----
From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues


> >I'm not to trying to distract from your problem but this reminded me of
our
> >h-s camping trip a few wks ago ... a h-s mom (also a friend) had her 18
mth
> >old skinny dipping in the river and I took a picture of him standing on a
> >rock while holding his mama's hand b/c I thought it was just precious
(GASP,
> >IT WAS FRONTAL VIEW, also hinnie view, too) ... one of the h-s dads came
up
> >to me and asked if I was planning to devlop this film myself??? I said
no,
> >I don't know how to develop film wished I did though but I'll just mail
it
> >off like always ... he said "WELL, you'd better be REALLY CAREFUL about
> >those NUDE PICTURES you're taking there, I'd HATE to hear that you're
having
> >to homeschool from the POKEY!!!" OHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh my goodness??? ... I
> >said "well, my intentions aren't PERVERTED so I doubt I'd be hauled off
over
> >friendly baby pictures!!!" ohhhhhhhhhhhh we have to deal w/ the drug
> >dealers, the bank robbers and all that white crime out there but the
police
> >dept is coming after *ME*??? so, I basically laughed @ him and blew him
> >off ... and, yes, I had the film developed and I'm NOT wearing STRIPES!!!
> >haha ...
>
> This is coming up more and more. In Ontario a man took nude pictures of
> his child and was arrested. The police ended up dropping the matter, but
> the CAS didn't. The last I heard he was having to go to some kind of
> special class about what is and isn't acceptable when photographing
> children............Sheesh!
>
> This has got to be a fairly new development, and probably depends a lot on
> where you live (and what kind of dirty minds the photo lab workers have).
> I've got nude pics of all my kids and the youngest is 12. They are some
of
> my favorite pics. I have a beautiful one of Heather at age 4 reaching
over
> to pick a flower, and another one of Noah, just coming out of a wading
pool
> with mask, fins, and snorkle........and nothing else. <g>
> Tia
>
> "Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study
without
> a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
> ------Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> Tia Leschke leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island

Tracy Oldfield

I've made it a family policy of mine to not take nude photos of my
kids. I don't have a problem with their bodies, I'm as liable as the
next person to let them play out (if they're cold, that's their
problem, they know where their clothes are <g>) But I wouldn't
want to have photos of them with no clothes on. Makes it too
public, I think. Also, I hate seeing photos of me in the nuddie.

Tracy

PS A celeb over here was arrested a couple of years ago, but that
was about photos of 6&8yo's in the bath with their step-father.
That did look bad.

On 9 Jun 2000, at 13:03, Tia Leschke wrote:


This is coming up more and more. In Ontario a man took
nude pictures of
his child and was arrested. The police ended up
dropping the matter, but
the CAS didn't. The last I heard he was having to go
to some kind of
special class about what is and isn't acceptable when
photographing
children............Sheesh!

Marcy Ellis

Nanci,

It is hard, I know from experience, to bite your tongue and go the peaceful
route. I applaud you for doing so. You seem to be a sweet-heart. We all
have our hang-ups. But it's unfortunate when people feel they have to
impose their hang-ups on others. (I've been one of those kinds of people,
too.) :( :) If you could be a light of kindness, gentleness and
graciousness in your neighborhood, I think you'll make a greater impact.
Sometimes speaking our minds isn't wise. Understanding where others are
coming from and trying to live peaceably (without making your chest a
welcome mat for everyone to wipe their feet on) is wise.

Your neighbor was probably raised in harshness. The fruit doesn't fall far
from the tree. So, it'd be nice if she could see an example (like you).
Maybe she'll wanna break the cycle of violence in her own life one day. Or,
maybe her kids will learn from your behavior that there is another way to
live. Who can know? Meanwhile, your kids are blessed with a Mom who's
just a sweetie. :) They have a great advantage growing up with you.

Lots of smiles............Marcy



>From: "Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall" <tn-k4of5@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Neighbor Blues
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:13:35 -0700
>
> >Sounds like your neighbor is one twisted sister. I agree that you ought
>to
> >be very careful with her. What a hoot, eh? :) Also, don't let her
>steal
> >your sunshine. Put little shorts on da babies. Pee on her and her sick
> >little mind. Let them play on, splashing in the sun is still fun even
>with
> >shorts on. :)
> >
> >Marcy
>
>Which is pretty much my take on it. All the powers that be around here
>(Police, etc) are mostly Mormon as well, and I have no illusions as to
>where their sympathies would lie, if she is Mormon. I am not, and that
>would be the deciding factor if my experiences so far in this community
>bear out.
>
>My chief aim is to maintain the peace in the neighborhood and keep from
>having any enemies around us. In purely the interests of maintaining (more
>than anything else) the ability of the little girl to come over and play
>here, I will swallow my tongue and put the shorts on. My kids don't care,
>but just looked at me kinda' funny. "What do we need those for Mom?" :-)
>
>Nanci K.
>
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