Matthew

Im not selling anything. I am trying to talk with others who are
familiar with the experience in order to learn more about it. Also
anyone interested inattending a school like this could learn from me.
AGAIN I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING. I am mearly trying to connect with
other like minded people. Sorry for any confusion.



--- In [email protected], "happyadvocate"
<kittiecatte@y...> wrote:
> Excuse me? How did THIS post get through??? Not only is it spam
> selling a boarding school, but I have seen the same post *ages* ago
> on another list. Having trouble selling your boarding school to
> unschoolers and homeshoolers, Matt? Maybe you should try direct
mail
> to the general public and increasingly unhappy PS'ers -- as does
the
> religious group in Oregon. Of course, they do not advertise that
> they are a proselytizing religious group when telling you how free
> your children will be on their "campus".
>
> Sorry, No, no, no, no, and no thanks, and HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!
> ~Kit
>
> >>>name is Matt and I have decided to start the planning and
> contacting process in order to open a Sudbury School here in
eastern
> Maine. This school will be slightly different from the typical
model
> in the fact that we will attempt to house the children and also
find
> a way in which parents could work off a LOW tuition.

[email protected]

I liked his post much better than this one.
If I had an only child who was wanting to travel, I'd seriously consider a
year at a free school. There used to be one in southern Colorado, and it
sounded glorious. A friend of mine went there. John Holt taught there a while.



In a message dated 1/21/04 9:27:36 PM, kittiecatte@... writes:

<< Excuse me? How did THIS post get through??? Not only is it spam

selling a boarding school, but I have seen the same post *ages* ago

on another list. Having trouble selling your boarding school to

unschoolers and homeshoolers, Matt? Maybe you should try direct mail

to the general public and increasingly unhappy PS'ers -- as does the

religious group in Oregon. Of course, they do not advertise that

they are a proselytizing religious group when telling you how free

your children will be on their "campus".


Sorry, No, no, no, no, and no thanks, and HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!

~Kit >>

[email protected]

I agree. When I saw the comments below I actually went to check to see how
long this person had been on the list.
Matt posted a few weeks ago wanting the work with unschoolers. Since then he
has offered his services for portfolios in Maine (which we need I might add).
I dont know the man but I know he doesn't much deserve the response he
received. Sudbury schools have been discussed on this list many times.

Do I think that we should promote all unschoolers going to these schools? No,
but I do think it is knowledge that we all would have knowing the school may
exist. Someday someone may be seeking a Sudbury school for their extenuating
circumstances and we would know there may be another in New England.
From what I understood from an email I have sent to him the school would
house the parent/s also.
Knowledge is good, guessing ones motives and blasting him on such a list with
lack of information is sad to me. He may not have all the answers but he
seems to be offering an alternative for those who may choose a regular school. I
too with one child or a different lifestyle may seriously consider a free
school also.

Laura D
Mom to
Dustin 12
Cassidy 4
Nicholas 20 mo
EDD Zachary Tyler 5/03/04

<<<SandraDodd@... writes:I liked his post much better than this one.
If I had an only child who was wanting to travel, I'd seriously consider a
year at a free school. There used to be one in southern Colorado, and it
sounded glorious. A friend of mine went there. John Holt taught there a
while. >>>

<<< kittiecatte@... writes:
Excuse me? How did THIS post get through??? Not only is it spam

selling a boarding school, but I have seen the same post *ages* ago

on another list. Having trouble selling your boarding school to

unschoolers and homeshoolers, Matt? Maybe you should try direct mail

to the general public and increasingly unhappy PS'ers >>>>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[email protected]

I agree. When I saw the comments below I actually went to check to see how
long this person had been on the list.
Matt posted a few weeks ago wanting the work with unschoolers. Since then he
has offered his services for portfolios in Maine (which we need I might add).
I dont know the man but I know he doesn't much deserve the response he
received. Sudbury schools have been discussed on this list many times.

Do I think that we should promote all unschoolers going to these schools? No,
but I do think it is knowledge that we all would have knowing the school may
exist. Someday someone may be seeking a Sudbury school for their extenuating
circumstances and we would know there may be another in New England.
From what I understood from an email I have sent to him the school would
house the parent/s also.
Knowledge is good, guessing ones motives and blasting him on such a list with
lack of information is sad to me. He may not have all the answers but he
seems to be offering an alternative for those who may choose a regular school. I
too with one child or a different lifestyle may seriously consider a free
school also.

Laura D
Mom to
Dustin 12
Cassidy 4
Nicholas 20 mo
EDD Zachary Tyler 5/03/04

<<<SandraDodd@... writes:I liked his post much better than this one.
If I had an only child who was wanting to travel, I'd seriously consider a
year at a free school. There used to be one in southern Colorado, and it
sounded glorious. A friend of mine went there. John Holt taught there a
while. >>>

<<< kittiecatte@... writes:
Excuse me? How did THIS post get through??? Not only is it spam

selling a boarding school, but I have seen the same post *ages* ago

on another list. Having trouble selling your boarding school to

unschoolers and homeshoolers, Matt? Maybe you should try direct mail

to the general public and increasingly unhappy PS'ers >>>>


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kayb85

"From what I understood from an email I have sent to him the school
would
house the parent/s also."

That changes things a lot too! I didn't imagine that that would be
the case, since in my experience Sudburies don't tend to welcome
parents to come to the school to hang out with their kids a lot.
They want kids to learn to separate from their parents.

Sheila

[email protected]

In a message dated 1/22/04 12:24:26 PM, HMSL2@... writes:

<< Knowledge is good, guessing ones motives and blasting him on such a list
with
lack of information is sad to me. >>

I agree. I put the worst poster on moderation, and deleted one message which
was tacky (from someone who is already on moderated status).

If the list owners hadn't wanted it on there it wouldn't have been, because
that post was in the "to be approved" pile, and was sent through to the list.
So people who can't think of something nice to say should maybe consider not
saying anything at all, particularly in the case of people who didn't read the
original post carefully or who didn't know a "Sudbury" from a military
academy.

"HAHAHAHA" isn't appropriate behavior.

Sandra

Matthew

Parents were not a part of the initial thought of any boarding possibility. But
we are certainly open to any suggestions. We would ENCOURAGE the
parents to donate some time at the school and use their own talents. THis
could be a possible way of working off tuition!



--- In [email protected], "kayb85" <sheran@p...>
wrote:
> "From what I understood from an email I have sent to him the school
> would
> house the parent/s also."
>
> That changes things a lot too! I didn't imagine that that would be
> the case, since in my experience Sudburies don't tend to welcome
> parents to come to the school to hang out with their kids a lot.
> They want kids to learn to separate from their parents.
>
> Sheila

Wife2Vegman

--- Matthew <MattBau43@...> wrote:
> Im not selling anything. I am trying to talk with
> others who are
> familiar with the experience in order to learn more
> about it. Also
> anyone interested inattending a school like this
> could learn from me.
> AGAIN I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING. I am mearly trying
> to connect with
> other like minded people. Sorry for any confusion.


OOOOH! I thought you were asking us if we would like
to send our children there, like recruiting students
or something.

So sorry for the mix up!

How about if you tell us a little bit more? How did
you come to this idea? How can you do it so
inexpensively? What is different about your planned
school from other Sudbury schools? Would families
have to move to the area in order to work off the
tuition you mentioned?

I'm not interested for my own kids, since unschooling
is our lifestyle, but there might be a family or two I
can point that way.

Do you have a website for your project yet?



=====
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WifetoVegman

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Tina

Hi, everyone! I'm new here. I'm not exactly sure how long I've
been "lurking around" this site. I'm interested in a few things that
are being discussed, so I'm going to take my chances and dive in.
Considering the conversations of late, I figure I'm safe. I'm not
sure what I'm supposed to learn about the accepted behavior on the
list, but I'm sure that wasn't it. :)

I'll tell you a little about myself. I don't consider myself an
unschooler by definition. I am more interested in the concept and
would like to learn more about it. A fellow home schooling friend of
20+ years discovered your group and forwarded it to me. That
explains how I ended up here.

I am the mother in a combined family of seven children. It's a long
story, but I home school the youngest, Adrian. He will be 10 next
month. Our other children are as follows: Tabitha, 18; Amy, 17.5;
Tammi and Tracey, 16; Amie, 14 in March; and Andrew, 12. I am
biological mother to Amy and Adrian. If you do the math, you will
see that there is about 8 years between them. By the time I got into
home schooling, he was the only one left to focus on. The rest of
the kids are not mine biologically, and I never found a loop hole to
allow it legally. At this point it's irrelevant since four of them
will graduate in the next year and a half.

I'm active in two local home school groups and belong to two more. I
enjoy the freedom of home schooling and am SO happy that it found
me. I look forward to picking your brains and having pleasant
conversations with you all. I don't have much of a clue about any of
this. So, I hope this is a place where I will be able to ask
questions and learn from them.

I look forward to conversing with you all...

Tina

rachel_foodie

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
and deleted one message which
> was tacky (from someone who is already on moderated status).

I am assuming the tacky poster listed above was me. Sorry. However,
I was on a committee here in Atlanta about 6 years ago that was
trying to put together a Sudbury day school. One of the reasons
we were trying to do it was because of what people here have
mentioned: having a place their unschoolers could go and meet other
unschoolers in a setting that was not traditional school.

Atlanta has a very nice climate, not the extremes of Maine. There
was no way we could make it work for less than about 5 grand per year
and this was 1998. The group had to look at location, building a
structure or finding an appropriate existing one. Salaries for the
facilitators, mortgage or rent payments, paying heating and air,
field trips, equipment, supplies, books, pcs etc....) Good luck, but
2 grand for a boarding school where you are going to throw meals into
the mix? That is why I was shocked by Matt's post. I have lived the
reality of trying to make happen what hopefully he will. However,
when the group of people I was working with started to see what it
was really going to cost, then we realized we were only going to get
a certain type of student "rich hippy types that are all about
appearances in that they are so avant garde and nonconformist that
there kids go to a Sudbury school"(not that there is anything wrong
with that to quote Jerry Seinfeld) but that was not what we were
after. And honestly, they were the only kind of people we found were
willing to invest in it. Then we would have had to have fundraisers
for scholarships.

It is not easy putting these things together. So, it may have been
tacky, but it's not like I haven't "been there". I have since worked
on trying to get a kind of Community Learning Center together for
homeschoolers, but that too is really expensive.

Rachel-one of the moderated ones :-)

Matthew

Thanks for the reply. 2000 a year IS a possibility because of these reasons. 1.I
will be buying a large chunck of land here in Maine and donating a piece of it
for the school, there fore no rent. 2. The building will be done mainly by us
from mostly materials on the land therefore GREATLY reducing the cost but
making the process of opening longer. Therefore no paying for a building. 3.
The site will use renewable energy sources and there GREATLY reducing
any bills. The 2000 a year will be for the day students. Boarding will be extra.
We will also utilize the families participation in order to reduce the need of a
paid staff. With all these factors in place we can make this work with a
potential 7-8 first year students.


--- In [email protected], "rachel_foodie" <
rachel_foodie@y...> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> and deleted one message which
> > was tacky (from someone who is already on moderated status).
>
> I am assuming the tacky poster listed above was me. Sorry. However,
> I was on a committee here in Atlanta about 6 years ago that was
> trying to put together a Sudbury day school. One of the reasons
> we were trying to do it was because of what people here have
> mentioned: having a place their unschoolers could go and meet other
> unschoolers in a setting that was not traditional school.
>
> Atlanta has a very nice climate, not the extremes of Maine. There
> was no way we could make it work for less than about 5 grand per year
> and this was 1998. The group had to look at location, building a
> structure or finding an appropriate existing one. Salaries for the
> facilitators, mortgage or rent payments, paying heating and air,
> field trips, equipment, supplies, books, pcs etc....) Good luck, but
> 2 grand for a boarding school where you are going to throw meals into
> the mix? That is why I was shocked by Matt's post. I have lived the
> reality of trying to make happen what hopefully he will. However,
> when the group of people I was working with started to see what it
> was really going to cost, then we realized we were only going to get
> a certain type of student "rich hippy types that are all about
> appearances in that they are so avant garde and nonconformist that
> there kids go to a Sudbury school"(not that there is anything wrong
> with that to quote Jerry Seinfeld) but that was not what we were
> after. And honestly, they were the only kind of people we found were
> willing to invest in it. Then we would have had to have fundraisers
> for scholarships.
>
> It is not easy putting these things together. So, it may have been
> tacky, but it's not like I haven't "been there". I have since worked
> on trying to get a kind of Community Learning Center together for
> homeschoolers, but that too is really expensive.
>
> Rachel-one of the moderated ones :-)

liza sabater

On Friday, January 23, 2004, at 01:55 AM, rachel_foodie wrote:

> Good luck, but
> 2 grand for a boarding school where you are going to throw meals into
> the mix? That is why I was shocked by Matt's post.

I have friends in Maine that moved out of Brooklyn, not even Manhattan,
and with the money they used to spend on a STUDIO APARTMENT in the
basement of a brownstone, IN BROOKLYN, they've been able to buy not one
but 2 houses. They're like, come on up here with us, teach at the
university, but, really, it's thoroughly depressing to me ... I'm such
a cold wuss. Still, we're still considering it. Orono is really nice.

l i z a
=========================
www.culturekitchen.com

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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/23/2004 10:25:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
listdiva@... writes:
I have friends in Maine that moved out of Brooklyn, not even Manhattan,
and with the money they used to spend on a STUDIO APARTMENT in the
basement of a brownstone, IN BROOKLYN, they've been able to buy not one
but 2 houses. They're like, come on up here with us, teach at the
university, but, really, it's thoroughly depressing to me ... I'm such
a cold wuss. Still, we're still considering it. Orono is really nice.

l i z a>>>
Maine is less expensive than a city. Rents for a home are 900-1200 and
apartment rentals are 550. to over a 1000 depending on size and location.
As to the weather our weather is the same as others along the north of the US
just a couple days later. Snow comes mostly in Feb and March the last few
years. Some in December but it doesn't stay.
The summers are humid at times but the waters are all around to make it all
worth while.
Many commute from Maine to Boston if the pay is worthwhile. We prefer to stay
away from the city and my husband still makes enough to keep the house going.

Maine is also a very nice place to vacation.

Laura
Who is formerly from MA and NH but loves Maine a lil more.


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Mary

From: "rachel_foodie" <rachel_foodie@...>

<<There was no way we could make it work for less than about 5 grand per
year
and this was 1998. >>



There was a school an aquaintenance of mine put her kids in. It was a
Sudbury school in the state of WA and it was free. She moved there
specifically because they wanted to go to such a school and she couldn't
afford any other ones around. She moved from FL 3 years ago to WA for that
reason. Not sure if it's still in working but it was then.



Mary B.
http://www.homeschoolingtshirts.com

[email protected]

In a message dated 1/23/2004 4:27:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mummy124@... writes:
state of WA
I'd like to know more on the one you are talking about here. There is one in
Seattle but it is really expensive if you ask me.

Heidi


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Mary

From: <hmsclmyboy@...>



<< I'd like to know more on the one you are talking about here. There is
one in
Seattle but it is really expensive if you ask me.>>




I wish I could offer more info. The lady was a friend only through one of
the homeschooling groups I belonged to. Her children who were around 11 and
13 at the time had seen a story about Sudbury schools on 60 minutes. They
liked the idea so much they wanted to go to one. She started her research
and located the public free one in Washington. I really can't remember
where. Shortly thereafter they moved and enrolled. Never heard how it all
turned out.


Mary B.
http://www.homeschoolingtshirts.com